Guild Wars 2

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before, save for a few perhaps.

Game after game I meet name callers, general cussers people who think they are absolutely magnificent and feel the need to rub that in everyone’s faces galore(those are the worst.)

PvE maybe!

PvP not by a long shot, the amount of times I’ve reported people should be so many by now I should ask Anet to pay me for it. No wonder Anet doesn’t support this side of the community, I wouldn’t have either.

sorry had to post this, the claim just amuses me to no end.

When they talk about community, they talk about all community, not just one aspect.

There are trash talkers in anything competitive. I’ve never played a game where there weren’t trash talkers.

PvE side is probably what they meant. People are fantastic in PvE areas.
PvP is just as bad as any other game with PvP.

While I avoid the PvP side of things, I do have the impression that the toxicity of the PvP denizens here, while very real, is substantially less than what you see in other games. This does not excuse it, but “nicest” is relative, after all.

As someone who is bad at pvp but still pvps on a daily basis I have to say that this community is a lot more forgiving than in other games, and I’ve played it on both eu and na. If you want to see what a real toxic community looks like, play some League of Legends

Open world pve is probably the best community. Followed by wvw. The 2 most toxic communities are spvp and dungeon.

It’s the PvE community they are talking about. PvP is always incredibely toxic, no matter what game.

Melfice.5091:

As someone who is bad at pvp but still pvps on a daily basis I have to say that this community is a lot more forgiving than in other games, and I’ve played it on both eu and na. If you want to see what a real toxic community looks like, play some League of Legends

I play League of legends, although I agree that community is by far the worst, GW2’s isn’t far behind.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before.

kitten please.

I actually feel like even the PvPers in GW2 are better than any other MMO I’ve tried PvP in. I had to laugh- the other day, my team was getting STOMPED by an embarrassing amount, and someone from the other team popped in on map chat, “I think it’s great that you decided to try PvP on your first day playing! I hope you stick with it!”

Yeah, you’re going to run into people who are verbally abusive. But I’ve found considerably fewer in GW2, myself.

Yeah, pretty great community here. Had a random person gift me a precursor. Had other people just give out stuff on a whim. Seen people helped and trained in dungeons, world bosses, WvW, PvP, leveling, map completion, etc.

Of course there are some who are kittens and won’t give anyone the time of day, but skip those people. Don’t let a few bad apples ruin the game for you. I very rarely respond to attacking PMs, or insulting/whining map chat. It only encourages them. Just turn off the channel and ignore them.

Also if swearing bothers you, you can turn on the swearing filter in game so you don’t have to see it.

Guhracie.3419:

I actually feel like even the PvPers in GW2 are better than any other MMO I’ve tried PvP in. I had to laugh- the other day, my team was getting STOMPED by an embarrassing amount, and someone from the other team popped in on map chat, “I think it’s great that you decided to try PvP on your first day playing! I hope you stick with it!”

Yeah, you’re going to run into people who are verbally abusive. But I’ve found considerably fewer in GW2, myself.

I’ve actually recently begun writing down the names of people who verbally abused me, or someone else for the heck of it, you’d be surprised by how many I’ve got in just three hours today. It’s saddening honestly, I never understood the need to name call, but I guess that’s just me.

Competitive environments will attract players that talk themselves up and put others down. Mostly they are just trying to convince themselves that the reason they lost is because their team is terrible, and not themselves.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

Guhracie.3419:

I actually feel like even the PvPers in GW2 are better than any other MMO I’ve tried PvP in. I had to laugh- the other day, my team was getting STOMPED by an embarrassing amount, and someone from the other team popped in on map chat, “I think it’s great that you decided to try PvP on your first day playing! I hope you stick with it!”

Yeah, you’re going to run into people who are verbally abusive. But I’ve found considerably fewer in GW2, myself.

I’ve actually recently begun writing down the names of people who verbally abused me, or someone else for the heck of it, you’d be surprised by how many I’ve got in just three hours today. It’s saddening honestly, I never understood the need to name call, but I guess that’s just me.

If you right click on their name, you can report for harassment and then block them. As far as I know, you won’t get paired up with anyone on your blocked list.

pdavis.8031:

Yeah, pretty great community here. Had a random person gift me a precursor. Had other people just give out stuff on a whim. Seen people helped and trained in dungeons, world bosses, WvW, PvP, leveling, map completion, etc.

Of course there are some who are kittens and won’t give anyone the time of day, but skip those people. Don’t let a few bad apples ruin the game for you. I very rarely respond to attacking PMs, or insulting/whining map chat. It only encourages them. Just turn off the channel and ignore them.

Also if swearing bothers you, you can turn on the swearing filter in game so you don’t have to see it.

Swearing doesn’t inherently bother me, for me all this is just a matter of pointing out punishments should be harsher.

The filter should -not- be an excuse.

There are always loud mouthed, jerks in every corner of the internet. More will be active in a non-cooperative game modes (PvP).

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

Guhracie.3419:

I actually feel like even the PvPers in GW2 are better than any other MMO I’ve tried PvP in. I had to laugh- the other day, my team was getting STOMPED by an embarrassing amount, and someone from the other team popped in on map chat, “I think it’s great that you decided to try PvP on your first day playing! I hope you stick with it!”

Yeah, you’re going to run into people who are verbally abusive. But I’ve found considerably fewer in GW2, myself.

I’ve actually recently begun writing down the names of people who verbally abused me, or someone else for the heck of it, you’d be surprised by how many I’ve got in just three hours today. It’s saddening honestly, I never understood the need to name call, but I guess that’s just me.

It’s honestly more of a psychological/emotional issue than anything. The same way there are bullys in real life, people who are just mean and nasty. They don’t like themselves or have a type of “filter” which they view the world as hostile and out to get them, or one of a hundred other reasons, so they act like kittens to compensate. In the end though just let them be. Any response only fuels them and confirms their “fears” about why they do what they do.

Brother Grimm.5176:

There are always loud mouthed, jerks in every corner of the internet. More will be active in a non-cooperative game modes (PvP).

I get that, I’ve been playing PvP on several games. Only recently begun on GW2 and I don’t even speak of people that call me bad.. I let those slide because for now its true, although it still needn’t be said when we are all fair and honest.

I speak of the people who’s sole goal seems to ruin another day. Just now, a person in my match up was being cussed at because he/she said they were new to necromancer pvp and wanted to try it out in a custom arena. By what most people here claim, the people would’ve responded nicely, but they actually just cussed them.

Even in LoL, I can go in as a newb and not get completely burned down right of the bat, mainly because LoL doesn’t start getting frustrating until further into the match true. But in GW2 its even more pointless, you LOSE nothing in a custom arena, so there is absolutely no excuse for such behavior.

Point I’m trying to make is, this PvP community has a lot to be desired, in my opinion at the very least. I do believe all your stories of how you ran into good people etc, I truly do.. but I think when we look at the big picture, negative will outweigh the positive.

I’ve only been pvp’ing for the last 6 months or so, and have only run into a handful of awful people – I just block them and move on. If it’s really bad, I report them, then block. Their is a lot of smack talked in the pvp hub town thing, but it seems a lot of hot air. It’s certainly not as awful as some other games I see. And pve wise (which is what I mostly play) it’s even better – but you always seem to find some idiot that takes it too far.

The PvP forum just had a rather lengthy thread on this the other day that got closed. Some of the responses were rather interesting.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-Full-of-anger-and-insuling/

well…

Pve: Nice ppl with sometimes some jerks mixed in. Perfectly fine and most of the time reasonable…but if you meet a PVE jerk then this one is a mega jerk…and im not talking about groups that kick you out cause you arent what they are looking for.

WvW: Seems to depend on the server (in my experience) but usually perfectly fine.
It seems to also depend on if its a tournament or how full the maps are or something.

PVP: Never saw people that toxic and vile in any game before… not even in CoD what sums up why i personally refuse to take any part of that mode myself…though for some reason “event pvp” like snowball mayhem and stuff like this is filled with reasonable and fun people….is weird tell ya..

MashMash.1645:

I’ve only been pvp’ing for the last 6 months or so, and have only run into a handful of awful people – I just block them and move on. If it’s really bad, I report them, then block. Their is a lot of smack talked in the pvp hub town thing, but it seems a lot of hot air. It’s certainly not as awful as some other games I see. And pve wise (which is what I mostly play) it’s even better – but you always seem to find some idiot that takes it too far.

you must be either insanely lucky, or me and my friends unlucky.. I’ve spoken to multiple RL and online friends and they all agree with me the pvp community is toxic, but we all also agree that it indeed could be worse. Curiosity is the sole reason why this post was made. I was hoping people would tell me of good experiences so that I at least have some sort of hope that it gets better, I truly hope its just me being unlucky.

I probably put it wrong in the initial post since I was somewhat annoyed when I wrote that, but that only proves how it isn’t impossible not to cuss when annoyed

Honestly, I admit I tend to feel the need to respond to such people, but more in the sense that I ask them what they could possibly hope to accomplish with such behavior. I know I shouldn’t, but its that itch I always have because I try to see the good in everyone and hope they have some sort of valid reason to be a total.. well, shall we say kitten?

sadly, most of the time its for selfish and stupid reasons.

JustTrogdor.7892:

The PvP forum just had a rather lengthy thread on this the other day that got closed. Some of the responses were rather interesting.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-Full-of-anger-and-insuling/

that was an interesting read, also very disappointing.

I wonder if they truly shut it down for derail or if they want to avoid the subject.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

MashMash.1645:

I’ve only been pvp’ing for the last 6 months or so, and have only run into a handful of awful people – I just block them and move on. If it’s really bad, I report them, then block. Their is a lot of smack talked in the pvp hub town thing, but it seems a lot of hot air. It’s certainly not as awful as some other games I see. And pve wise (which is what I mostly play) it’s even better – but you always seem to find some idiot that takes it too far.

you must be either insanely lucky, or me and my friends unlucky.. I’ve spoken to multiple RL and online friends and they all agree with me the pvp community is toxic, but we all also agree that it indeed could be worse. Curiosity is the sole reason why this post was made. I was hoping people would tell me of good experiences so that I at least have some sort of hope that it gets better, I truly hope its just me being unlucky.

I probably put it wrong in the initial post since I was somewhat annoyed when I wrote that, but that only proves how it isn’t impossible not to cuss when annoyed

Honestly, I admit I tend to feel the need to respond to such people, but more in the sense that I ask them what they could possibly hope to accomplish with such behavior. I know I shouldn’t, but its that itch I always have because I try to see the good in everyone and hope they have some sort of valid reason to be a total.. well, shall we say kitten?

sadly, most of the time its for selfish and stupid reasons.

This is also coupled with the fact that people in general will remember bad experiences more than good ones, unless the experience is great or unexpected. It’s probably tied into our survival instincts. A “I shouldn’t eat that because I saw Johnny eat that and he died” kind of thing. And the threshold for talking about one’s experience is lower for negative reactions than good or neutral ones.

Open world and WvW are fine, not the nicest. Even in RTS games i’ve found more friendly players.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before.

Game after game I meet name callers, general cussers people who think they are absolutely magnificent and feel the need to rub that in everyone’s faces galore(those are the worst.)

PvE maybe!

PvP not by a long shot, the amount of times I’ve reported people should be so many by now I should ask Anet to pay me for it. No wonder Anet doesn’t support this side of the community, I wouldn’t have either.

sorry had to post this, the claim just amuses me to no end.

Stay out of the “esport” and dungeon meta and it’s one of the best communities out there.

Seera.5916:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

MashMash.1645:

I’ve only been pvp’ing for the last 6 months or so, and have only run into a handful of awful people – I just block them and move on. If it’s really bad, I report them, then block. Their is a lot of smack talked in the pvp hub town thing, but it seems a lot of hot air. It’s certainly not as awful as some other games I see. And pve wise (which is what I mostly play) it’s even better – but you always seem to find some idiot that takes it too far.

you must be either insanely lucky, or me and my friends unlucky.. I’ve spoken to multiple RL and online friends and they all agree with me the pvp community is toxic, but we all also agree that it indeed could be worse. Curiosity is the sole reason why this post was made. I was hoping people would tell me of good experiences so that I at least have some sort of hope that it gets better, I truly hope its just me being unlucky.

I probably put it wrong in the initial post since I was somewhat annoyed when I wrote that, but that only proves how it isn’t impossible not to cuss when annoyed

Honestly, I admit I tend to feel the need to respond to such people, but more in the sense that I ask them what they could possibly hope to accomplish with such behavior. I know I shouldn’t, but its that itch I always have because I try to see the good in everyone and hope they have some sort of valid reason to be a total.. well, shall we say kitten?

sadly, most of the time its for selfish and stupid reasons.

This is also coupled with the fact that people in general will remember bad experiences more than good ones, unless the experience is great or unexpected. It’s probably tied into our survival instincts. A “I shouldn’t eat that because I saw Johnny eat that and he died” kind of thing. And the threshold for talking about one’s experience is lower for negative reactions than good or neutral ones.

yeah, I hadn’t thought of it that way, you got a point.

but nevertheless I still feel those experiences should not be mandatory, people should be able to log on and enjoy the game, with a rotten apple here and there since they are unavoidable, but now it feels daunting to even hit that custom arena button.

Wetpaw.3487:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before.

Game after game I meet name callers, general cussers people who think they are absolutely magnificent and feel the need to rub that in everyone’s faces galore(those are the worst.)

PvE maybe!

PvP not by a long shot, the amount of times I’ve reported people should be so many by now I should ask Anet to pay me for it. No wonder Anet doesn’t support this side of the community, I wouldn’t have either.

sorry had to post this, the claim just amuses me to no end.

Stay out of the “esport” and dungeon meta and it’s one of the best communities out there.

The dungeon meta crowd is not mean. They even organize and run a guild designed to teach people the meta. The post guides and videos to dungeons on the web, freely accessible to everyone. Even those not in their guild or group.

Like there are jerks in PvP, open world PvE, and WvW, there are jerks in dungeons.

Don’t label the entire community for the behavior of a few.

just block

/15 charrs

Conaywea.5062:

just block

/15 charrs

I shouldn’t have to, that’s what I’ve been telling several people in this entire discussion.

the block option is not an excuse for bad behaviour.
Nor is the chat filter.
Nor is mute.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

Conaywea.5062:

just block

/15 charrs

I shouldn’t have to, that’s what I’ve been telling several people in this entire discussion.

the block option is not an excuse for bad behaviour.
Nor is the chat filter.
Nor is mute.

You’re not going to change human nature with mmo rules. Trolls have existed in some form since humans began communicating back in the stone age.

This game has 2 great ideas to minimize trolls in pvp/wvw though.
1. There’s no way to teabag or otherwise taunt a dead opponent other than /laugh.
2. (WvW specifically)You never know the identity of the other player because they remove them and substitute the server name.

Seera.5916:

Wetpaw.3487:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before.

Game after game I meet name callers, general cussers people who think they are absolutely magnificent and feel the need to rub that in everyone’s faces galore(those are the worst.)

PvE maybe!

PvP not by a long shot, the amount of times I’ve reported people should be so many by now I should ask Anet to pay me for it. No wonder Anet doesn’t support this side of the community, I wouldn’t have either.

sorry had to post this, the claim just amuses me to no end.

Stay out of the “esport” and dungeon meta and it’s one of the best communities out there.

The dungeon meta crowd is not mean. They even organize and run a guild designed to teach people the meta. The post guides and videos to dungeons on the web, freely accessible to everyone. Even those not in their guild or group.

Like there are jerks in PvP, open world PvE, and WvW, there are jerks in dungeons.

Don’t label the entire community for the behavior of a few.

It’s not a label, but generalization of a segment of the community that holds true through personal experience, forum posts, and the meta that drives it.

So when someone says the dungeon segment of the community is not much better, it doesn’t mean every player of that segment. Out of the game modes Spvp & dungeons do receive the most complaints because they’re a meta driven content in a play how you want game.

Odd this has to be explained in the first place, if I read your post right.

Wetpaw.3487:

Seera.5916:

Wetpaw.3487:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

This is a thorough joke I hope? this community’s pvp side is more toxic then any I’ve ever seen before.

Game after game I meet name callers, general cussers people who think they are absolutely magnificent and feel the need to rub that in everyone’s faces galore(those are the worst.)

PvE maybe!

PvP not by a long shot, the amount of times I’ve reported people should be so many by now I should ask Anet to pay me for it. No wonder Anet doesn’t support this side of the community, I wouldn’t have either.

sorry had to post this, the claim just amuses me to no end.

Stay out of the “esport” and dungeon meta and it’s one of the best communities out there.

The dungeon meta crowd is not mean. They even organize and run a guild designed to teach people the meta. The post guides and videos to dungeons on the web, freely accessible to everyone. Even those not in their guild or group.

Like there are jerks in PvP, open world PvE, and WvW, there are jerks in dungeons.

Don’t label the entire community for the behavior of a few.

It’s not a label, but generalization of a segment of the community that holds true through personal experience, forum posts, and the meta that drives it.

So when someone says the dungeon segment of the community is not much better, it doesn’t mean every player of that segment. Out of the game modes Spvp & dungeons do receive the most complaints because they’re a meta driven content in a play how you want game.

Odd this has to be explained in the first place, if I read your post right.

And my personal experience and reading of forums leads me to believe that the dungeon meta group, the ones who define the meta through their hard work of crunching numbers, are no where near toxic.

Your post to me sounded like you felt the dungeon meta community was toxic. I do not find that to be the case. I feel the jerks in the community give it a bad name. As well as the casuals who try to force the meta players to play how the casual players play, not how the meta players play.

DonQuack.9025:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

DonQuack.9025:

hahahaha You think mmo pvp is bad? hahaha. wait youre serious? Let me laugh some more. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA You dont even have voice chat. Wait till you “hear” anything between 7- 50yr old calling you a no talent hack.

insert most fps’s. I hear worse language playing football or basketball at the park and somehow I am able to afterwards go out, laugh, and have drinks with these people.

You aren’t exactly telling me anything I’ve haven’t heard, seen or read of before.

A point I’d like to point out though; I don’t care about those games, I don’t play them. The only Fps’s I play are Planetside 2 and Battlefield, both of which I have had almost no toxic experiences with.

you might enjoy general rudeness, and I guess that speaks pages about what sort of person you are, but most of us infact.. do not.

Funny veiled insult. Enjoy general rudeness? More like I have the mental fortitude to not take offence by things said by strangers over the internet. On the flip side I am relatively anxious irl.

The fact that I make people so angry in a pvp environment is a testament to my skill. I am so overbearing that they lose all sense of rationality. How can I take what they say as an insult? They are proving my superiority. Heck the ones that type it prove it to me even more. They have to stop playing and type. bonus points if you kill them whilst typing.

Now should that behaviour be allowed? Personally I dont mind if it stays. It lets me know about the person quite easily with very limited time investment. The inverse is also true. It also lets me know the type of people I would have to walk on eggshells around.

Oddly enough in my experience Ive found that the less foul mouthed a person the more vindictive they are.(in games ofc) They will go to extreme lengths to get a person banned. Spending more time out of game getting/tryingtoget a person banned than actually playing the game.

See if I were to take everything said to me personally I would have to dislike quite a few patients of mine. Friends, family members. I would be a very lonely person if I had such a rule as “always be nice or you arent allowed to talk to me.”

Play battlefield 4? Hit me up sometime. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/user/MsNoPanties/

I more surprised no one has ever questioned how black and white said “issue” its always you’re an kitten and should be banned to the 34th level of hell and be eaten alive by wooden spoons or I’m an angel and Jesus just kissed me on the head, whilst I had lunch with God. I sometimes wonder if people realize you can be nice and mean. I wonder if some people think they are nice all the time, that they never say anything bad or hurtful.

I was going to apologize for the supposed ‘’veil insult’’ but judging from your post, you attempt to do the same thing. I’ll add however, that the ‘’veil insult’’ solely exists in your mind, not mine. As it was never intended to be an insult, more of a statement judging from what you – yourself, posted. I figure you’ll retort by saying I do the same thing in this post, but it isn’t of relevancy now.

Yep, I could be somewhat vindictive, I don’t see how its a bad trait, what kind of traits its combined with will define it. My own make me honest, approachable and not without reason. Unlike most people on the internet, I also do not feel the need to hurt others for my amusement. But contrary to what you post, I do not feel the need to go lengths to get people banned, I feel that banning isn’t necessarily a solution, I am all for punishments however and will report someone in hopes that they do get punished(I wouldn’t know what else I could hope for except for Justice.), its not like I’m itchy on the report button. Though, I do not spend more time on the forums like the vindictive people you speak of, this was actually my first forum post since a long time.

I more then understand that the world consists entirely of shades of grey, however that does not stop things from being blatantly wrong, talking down on someone, for any reason is still wrong.. no matter how you twist and curl around it. Say if I accidentally kill you in PS2, you are allowed to be upset, should you be calling me names for it? no, two wrongs don’t make a right.

-continued-

I assume that by patients you mean that you are a psychologist? welcome to the club, as am I.. I’ll inform you though that I am more then able to separate the wolves from the sheep and that even though I am somewhat vindictive I have plenty of friends. I’m not as easily ’’provoked’’ by general rudeness as you indirectly claim, especially not in real life.

Also, I do not lack ‘’mental fortitude’’ whatsoever, I am more then capable of processing insults and ignoring them entirely, it is however something that should not be accepted just because some of us can easily cope with them. But I guess this might as well be the same thing I posted in the paragraph above.

It’s not about accepting it or excusing the behavior. It’s about acknowledging that it’s going to happen and using personal coping mechanisms as well as functions in the game to handle it.

You literally cannot change another person. All you can do is change your response.

Pysch hell no. Labour and Delivery.

Note: Other than perhaps the first paragraph nothing was directed specifically to you. These threads are not new and they dont exactly take a moderate view.

It wasnt a veiled insult? My mistake then. I presumed falsely that if it was good you would have put it rather than leave it vague.

As for your second paragraph " it is however something that should not be accepted just because some of us can easily cope with them."

Life sure would be interesting if we removed things because some people couldnt cope.

Some people cant cope with losing.
remove pvp.

I had a console insult lined up for PS2 but then I realised it could prolly mean planetside 2. I cant think up a worse one than being forced to play that. Someone will laugh at that

Guhracie.3419:

using personal coping mechanisms as well as functions

Personal responsibility is dead in the first world.

Relevant – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dr17GmYUtI

There needs to be a better battlelog for gw2.

There are lots of very nice people in PvP. Unfortunately, negative experiences tend to overshadow positive ones. I run into a lot of jerks in PvP, yes. But if I stop to really think about it, I run into a whole lot more nice people.

In PvE and WvW though (I’m on Crystal Desert) I can count the nasty comments I’ve heard on one hand. For two years of PvE and WvW, that’s amazing. In that sense, the community is “the nicest” in my personal experience. And given the nature of PvP games, PvP isn’t terrible either.

Guhracie.3419:

It’s not about accepting it or excusing the behavior. It’s about acknowledging that it’s going to happen and using personal coping mechanisms as well as functions in the game to handle it.

You literally cannot change another person. All you can do is change your response.

How do you teach a dog that what it does is wrong? you punish it.

DonQuack.9025:

Pysch hell no. Labour and Delivery.

Note: Other than perhaps the first paragraph nothing was directed specifically to you. These threads are not new and they dont exactly take a moderate view.

It wasnt a veiled insult? My mistake then. I presumed falsely that if it was good you would have put it rather than leave it vague.

As for your second paragraph " it is however something that should not be accepted just because some of us can easily cope with them."

Life sure would be interesting if we removed things because some people couldnt cope.

Some people cant cope with losing.
remove pvp.

I had a console insult lined up for PS2 but then I realised it could prolly mean planetside 2. I cant think up a worse one than being forced to play that. Someone will laugh at that

Guhracie.3419:

using personal coping mechanisms as well as functions

Personal responsibility is dead in the first world.

Relevant – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dr17GmYUtI

There needs to be a better battlelog for gw2.

if I had felt the need to insult you, I would have blalantly insulted you, but it is as I described a need I generally do not feel.

Not entirely how I meant the – " it is however something that should not be accepted just because some of us can easily cope with them." – line, as it is based on circumstance. But I doubt we will reach an agreement anyhow, we think way differently.

also…

KHORNE

sorry.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

How do you teach a dog that what it does is wrong? you punish it.

Negative reinforcement is the least effective way to train a dog. I’ve been training dogs professionally for years, believe me. As far as people go though, punishment might work? I’m no human psychologist, but I’m interested in how effective negative reinforcement actually is. I could see it going either way.

Guhracie.3419:

You literally cannot change another person. All you can do is change your response.

^This is basically my response to any kind of hate speech/verbal abuse in PvP. If it’s particularly egregious I report it; if not, I just ignore the person. From what I can see, players are punished for behaving poorly. I know suspensions happen, but I do see repeat offenders back in game rather quickly.

I think the most important thing the community can do (aside from not engaging in verbal abuse themselves/not feeding the troll) is to make their voices heard. If someone is being abusive to another player, even on your own team, don’t stay quiet about it. You can offer support to the target of it without resorting to name calling yourself. If someone is out of line or being a bully, politely saying so might be the most help you can offer. Some people take things to heart rather easily, so just expressing that you disagree can be a big deal for them.

:D
I had 4 too many years of
“Pain is weakness leaving the body”
Sympathy and lowering of standards wasnt big on our list.

I know it isnt exactly how you meant it, I just wanted to be an kitten.
Im surprised Im not banned already because someone was offended by what Ive said.
Ive said less and been banned. Thus my distaste for pandering to the lowest common denominator. That and the hypocrisy that usually follows it.

Then again I guess this game is rated Teen so the lowest is 13.

Tis cool tho.

Elegy.2159:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

How do you teach a dog that what it does is wrong? you punish it.

Negative reinforcement is the least effective way to train a dog. I’ve been training dogs professionally for years, believe me. As far as people go though, punishment might work? I’m no human psychologist, but I’m interested in how effective negative reinforcement actually is. I could see it going either way.

Guhracie.3419:

You literally cannot change another person. All you can do is change your response.

^This is basically my response to any kind of hate speech/verbal abuse in PvP. If it’s particularly egregious I report it; if not, I just ignore the person. From what I can see, players are punished for behaving poorly. I know suspensions happen, but I do see repeat offenders back in game rather quickly.

I think the most important thing the community can do (aside from not engaging in verbal abuse themselves/not feeding the troll) is to make their voices heard. If someone is being abusive to another player, even on your own team, don’t stay quiet about it. You can offer support to the target of it without resorting to name calling yourself. If someone is out of line or being a bully, politely saying so might be the most help you can offer. Some people take things to heart rather easily, so just expressing that you disagree can be a big deal for them.

truly? I punish my dog when she does something bad, its not like I beat her kittenless or anything (I’d feel god aweful O:) but I do tell her off and make her sit in the hallway until she calms down.

I think you may just have misunderstood? cause she’s a sweety and everybody loves her, not to mention that she’s obedient as can be. Enough about my dog, though.

I agree with you that it is based on circumstance, though.

as far as humans go? it proves effective, though case by case like with anything, a psychopath wont care. But a decent human being simply on the wrong track does usually change its position when ’’threatened’’ with punishment of sorts, like.. revoking their passport or whatever.

xDudisx.5914:

The 2 most toxic communities are spvp and dungeon.

You must not play a lot of dungeons then, or choose your parties poorly. I play dungeons on a daily basis, and my experience with dungeon parties is anything between decent to good on average.

DonQuack.9025:

:D
I had 4 too many years of
“Pain is weakness leaving the body”
Sympathy and lowering of standards wasnt big on our list.

I know it isnt exactly how you meant it, I just wanted to be an kitten.
Im surprised Im not banned already because someone was offended by what Ive said.
Ive said less and been banned. Thus my distaste for pandering to the lowest common denominator. That and the hypocrisy that usually follows it.

Then again I guess this game is rated Teen so the lowest is 13.

Tis cool tho.

You don’t seem bannable to me with what you said here if that’s what you meant? I’m not feeling insulted, at all most insults fly by me anyway, that is forum wise. Most of the time when I retaliate to them its because I feel bad for another person or when said person approaches me through private chat to insult me.

as for the Bf4 comment I failed to reply to; you really don’t want to play that with me, I blow XD

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

Guhracie.3419:

It’s not about accepting it or excusing the behavior. It’s about acknowledging that it’s going to happen and using personal coping mechanisms as well as functions in the game to handle it.

You literally cannot change another person. All you can do is change your response.

How do you teach a dog that what it does is wrong? you punish it.

That’s why I right click and report for verbal abuse. In order to punish, one must have the authority to do so, and you and I have no such authority in GW2. The staff are the only people who have that authority. Other PvP players aren’t your dog, or your children, or your patients, or your minions. Punishing them is simply not an option.

Milennin.4825:

xDudisx.5914:

The 2 most toxic communities are spvp and dungeon.

You must not play a lot of dungeons then, or choose your parties poorly. I play dungeons on a daily basis, and my experience with dungeon parties is anything between decent to good on average.

I used to run speed runs with 2 friends when I was farming for the second legendary. We would kick people for not pinging right gear or going to wrong stack. Yes puging speed runs makes you become a toxic player.

Elegy.2159:

Kuro Zetsumei.1397:

How do you teach a dog that what it does is wrong? you punish it.

Negative reinforcement is the least effective way to train a dog. I’ve been training dogs professionally for years, believe me. As far as people go though, punishment might work? I’m no human psychologist, but I’m interested in how effective negative reinforcement actually is. I could see it going either way.

Just want to clarify here a few things about reinforcement… First off, I agree with you completely, I think scolding, screaming and punishing generally to be one of the worst ways to train a dog. However, all of these actually fall under the term of positive reinforcement. A goo dway to look at it is positive = presentation of a stimulus in response to a behaviour and negative = removal of stimulus in response to a behavious.

Here’s a resource on this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement and hopefully it will help keep us all on the same page.

I’ve tried play PvP in other games and this games. There are annoying people in both arenas but frankly, I prefer the Guild Wars 2 crowd to most of the other games I’ve played.

I should mention hot join is actually worse than solo queue, if you haven’t tried it. Many of the trolls end up in hot join.

xDudisx.5914:

Open world pve is probably the best community. Followed by wvw. The 2 most toxic communities are spvp and dungeon.

Agreed.