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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Umm that is literally ALL the content added to this game since launch… Did you want me to include bug fixes and balance? I’m not sure what else you would count as content?

I suppose I could add in armor and weapons… but 80% of those have been gem store exclusive and since WoW adds new armor for each individual class for every raid and multiple dungeon sets, and open world sets… well lets just say it wouldn’t help the comparison…

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Posted by: wasted.6817

wasted.6817

Have i heard “wealth of content” here?

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Posted by: saye.9304

saye.9304

good thing i stopped buying gw2-gem card 2 months ago and bought eso and i might resubscribe to swtor, this game is going down the hill. i will check living world stuff just for the sake of story, but i wont spend any money on this game anymore.

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Posted by: IllegalChocolate.6938

IllegalChocolate.6938

My suggestion is to not push the subject too aggressively due to the fact that you are in your own limbo and simply let him be with his own devices. If he buys it, good for him, and then you can show him everything you’ve experienced in the game. If not, don’t think about it too much, let it be.

To be honest, if no expansion is announced at the season’s finale, I’ll be the one that needs convincing.

Its a path that is a normal one to take. You won’t receive any scrutiny from me, only an acknowledgement of understanding. I can only respect that you’ve been so passionate about your experiences so far. If another road needs to be taken for the sake of your own future of experience, by all means take it.

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Posted by: Verificus.4320

Verificus.4320

I’ve been playing since launch and I have not experienced a ‘wealth of content’ please don’t speak for all veteran players :/

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Posted by: Jedge.3619

Jedge.3619

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Umm that is literally ALL the content added to this game since launch… Did you want me to include bug fixes and balance? I’m not sure what else you would count as content?

I suppose I could add in armor and weapons… but 80% of those have been gem store exclusive and since WoW adds new armor for each individual class for every raid and multiple dungeon sets, and open world sets… well lets just say it wouldn’t help the comparison…

Do not bother my friend with the non-believer who I am not allowed to quote in this nice forum. He thinks in a straight path, and has been blinded by his fallacies.

I’ve been playing since launch and I have not experienced a ‘wealth of content’ please don’t speak for all veteran players :/

Thank-you my friend!

What a Churlundalo

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Posted by: saye.9304

saye.9304

I was hoping they would end this year with a bang.

Instead it’s just another fart.

Point of no return, no less. Might have a different meaning to what AN had in mind.

haha, good point. the irony of the “point of no return”

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

And your proof is…where? That list is pretty definitive. Might be something missing here or there, but that’s about it.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

And your proof is…where?

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Posted by: MFoy.3284

MFoy.3284

Looks like maybe it’s time to go back to playing Diablo III. At least Blizzard had the guts to can Jay Wilson and put out an actual expansion… Oh, and they even had time to fix bugs and make the game more fun.

You can expect to see a GW2 expansion about one year after the China launch. Assuming the game is still around by then.

Meanwhile we get… The Forum Shuffle! Designed to uh… uh… What was this going to fix anyhow? Oh, that’s right: To foster the illusion of progress. Just like LS does. That it creates a more confusing structure that buries actual useful feedback is a major win for Anet.

And the Forum Specialist program? Well, it’s succeeded in creating a job class lower than Intern. So we have that to look forward to.

It is not fun to watch this game circle the drain anymore. 8.5% revenue drop off last qtr any bets on this qtr?

Bad luck for the hare means dinner for the wolf.

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Posted by: IllegalChocolate.6938

IllegalChocolate.6938

I wish I could show my friends the entirety of the molten factility or even the aether pirate cove.

Only shades of its former self in fractals.

My heart
My achy breaky heart.

I think a nice bucket of KFC is in order to make this man happy, I’ll be right back.

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

good thing i stopped buying gw2-gem card 2 months ago and bought eso and i might resubscribe to swtor, this game is going down the hill. i will check living world stuff just for the sake of story, but i wont spend any money on this game anymore.

How do you like ESO? I’m thinking of going back. It was a rough launch, but I hear they’ve been doing a lot of work since — and they actually talk about the future….

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Posted by: VergilDeZaniah.3295

VergilDeZaniah.3295

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

With such a logic, everything your ancestors possessed was still a part of your wealth, therefore you must be extremely rich and you should pay a tax on the estate you’ve had since the birth of your lineage.

You simply cannot state that something that was removed is part of something that exist. If you remove the engine of your car, it doesn’t work, you cannot say “I use my car everyday” simply because you had an engine.

Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.

Son of Elonia.

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

munkiman.3068

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Umm that is literally ALL the content added to this game since launch… Did you want me to include bug fixes and balance? I’m not sure what else you would count as content?

I suppose I could add in armor and weapons… but 80% of those have been gem store exclusive and since WoW adds new armor for each individual class for every raid and multiple dungeon sets, and open world sets… well lets just say it wouldn’t help the comparison…

Well there was SAB and Fractals, just to point that out. But, yes, that’s about it as far as content goes. Yet we still hear no word about anything in the works. This is becoming like the mount thread, beating a dead horse/mount… I guess once everyone goes away they won’t need to worry about negative feedback, maybe that’s the plan?

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

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Posted by: perilisk.1874

perilisk.1874

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Part of the issue here is the problematic execution of Season 1. There’s an entire year’s worth of content not on the list, because it was added briefly, never to be seen again. They’ve learned their lesson, at least, in that regard.

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dlonie.6547

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

Number of LS episodes: 29***
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Kaiyanwan.8521

“Wealth of content” is nearly as funny as “an expansion’s worth of content”!

State of the game at the end of 2014?

Pretty much the state of the game at the end of 2012. Two no tiny maps and some repeatable quests. Less frequent updates to the game than ever.

Sure, we are all satisfied with where we are heading. Wait, somehow I got the feeling we never started heading anywhere.

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Posted by: saye.9304

saye.9304

good thing i stopped buying gw2-gem card 2 months ago and bought eso and i might resubscribe to swtor, this game is going down the hill. i will check living world stuff just for the sake of story, but i wont spend any money on this game anymore.

How do you like ESO? I’m thinking of going back. It was a rough launch, but I hear they’ve been doing a lot of work since — and they actually talk about the future….

i just started playing eso. leveling is fun with full voice acting and all, i have not seen any bug yet((maybe i am lucky)), you better ask people on redit or mmorpg.com about it, veteran eso players are there too, i am just newbie.

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Jedge.3619

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

And your proof is…where?

Scroll up.

My friend, we mustn’t forget about the new players that have not experienced the same “content” as you have. Where is the awesome magical SAB box I’ve been hearing of, I’ve never experienced this wonder. I suppose I will have to walk to work today because my car engine is removed my friend.

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Posted by: munkiman.3068

munkiman.3068

good thing i stopped buying gw2-gem card 2 months ago and bought eso and i might resubscribe to swtor, this game is going down the hill. i will check living world stuff just for the sake of story, but i wont spend any money on this game anymore.

How do you like ESO? I’m thinking of going back. It was a rough launch, but I hear they’ve been doing a lot of work since — and they actually talk about the future….

Not that i want to get infracted, but i’ve been playing BL2 and the pre-sequal. I log in for the story, at least to unlock it, that’s about it. I think a good amount of forum goers are “playing the field” so to speak. Most of the casuals only have so much time to dedicate to gaming, if they aren’t happy here, they all just move along. I still think i have gotten my monies worth, even though i’ve prolly spent 20X the box cost.

R.I.P. Guild Wars 2.

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Posted by: dsslive.8473

dsslive.8473

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

Woudl the contents of the feature packs be considered ‘content’? if so then they seem to be missing from your list.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

With such a logic, everything your ancestors possessed was still a part of your wealth, therefore you must be extremely rich and you should pay a tax on the estate you’ve had since the birth of your lineage.

You simply cannot state that something that was removed is part of something that exist. If you remove the engine of your car, it doesn’t work, you cannot say “I use my car everyday” simply because you had an engine.

Read my posts. I stated that there was permanent content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

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Posted by: Guhracie.3419

Guhracie.3419

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

Woudl the contents of the feature packs be considered ‘content’? if so then they seem to be missing from your list.

They’re not content, they’re features. It’s different. Quality of life and bug fixes.

“Be angry about legendary weapons, sure, but what about the recent drought of content?”
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Because we can’t be angry about both?

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

You posted everything briefly in a small list and broken out individual items to give the impression that there hasn’t been much content released.

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VergilDeZaniah.3295

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.

Son of Elonia.

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Verificus.4320

Lets all try and makes this thread 1000 pages so anet might finally listen to us when we say it can’t go on like this any longer. We have to take charge!

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Posted by: Kaiyanwan.8521

Kaiyanwan.8521

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

Woudl the contents of the feature packs be considered ‘content’? if so then they seem to be missing from your list.

They only count as content, if you think that content means getting kicked in the balls. Repeatedly. With a chair made of steel.

The feature patches are QoL patches, noone would count them as content, or the list of the other MMO would become – you know – like really long.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

And your proof is…where?

Scroll up.

My friend, we mustn’t forget about the new players that have not experienced the same “content” as you have. Where is the awesome magical SAB box I’ve been hearing of, I’ve never experienced this wonder. I suppose I will have to walk to work today because my car engine is removed my friend.

Again, that was temporary content which newer players missed out on. This was resolved in season 2 although now we have very infrequent updates.

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

Read my posts. I stated that there was permanent content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

The temporary content was included on the list.

You are 100% correct on your word choice — it does fall under the label “content”. But you must admit that it is completely useless to anyone looking for something to do today.

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Posted by: Karizee.8076

Karizee.8076

If WoW can get by for 2 years with nothing but a couple raids, I’m sure GW2 will survive 1 month with Wintersday, WvW Sneak Attack, the new PvP leaderboard race, and all the contents from the last patch (new areas, new events, new story, new achievements, 4 new armor pieces to get, the new jumping puzzle, etc.)

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Posted by: Jedge.3619

Jedge.3619

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

And your proof is…where?

Scroll up.

My friend, we mustn’t forget about the new players that have not experienced the same “content” as you have. Where is the awesome magical SAB box I’ve been hearing of, I’ve never experienced this wonder. I suppose I will have to walk to work today because my car engine is removed my friend.

Again, that was temporary content which newer players missed out on. This was resolved in season 2 although now we have very infrequent updates.

I can login game is this issue is resolved any play SAB. Thank-you my friend, I will log in game right now and play SAB. Thank-you so much my friend

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

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Crovax.7854

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

You posted everything briefly in a small list and broken out individual items to give the impression that there hasn’t been much content released.

The uphill battle is a strong one. Stay frosty my friend

Really had to chuckle here

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

You posted everything briefly in a small list and broken out individual items to give the impression that there hasn’t been much content released.

The uphill battle is a strong one. Stay frosty my friend

You listed them living story releases as two or so bullet points in your list but then listed many other items to dwarf those releases.

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Posted by: Kaiyanwan.8521

Kaiyanwan.8521

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

He is right though, your temporary content is worth NOTHING for this game. Not for new players that never experienced it, nor for veterans, as they cannot play it either anymore.

It is as useless as a infinite coin for SAB.

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Posted by: nickiehu.1674

nickiehu.1674

Geez, guys calm down. The LS wasn’t that great that it’s worth the amount of whining in this thread.
Sorry, but in my opinion gw2 would be far worse if they would cut or skip the nice festival-events like Wintersday or Halloween just for the sake of the LS. I’m sure if they did this, the forum would be flooded with hate-threads…
Let’s just give the devs the benefit of the doubt, that they will make better decisions for the gameplay and content in the new year.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Read my posts. I stated that there was permanent content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

The temporary content was included on the list.

You are 100% correct on your word choice — it does fall under the label “content”. But you must admit that it is completely useless to anyone looking for something to do today.

Exactly. Anet listened to us and made season two more permanent. The problem is that the updates are now very less frequent.

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Posted by: Jedge.3619

Jedge.3619

I do not understand why ArenaNet are deliberately trying to kill this game!
Almost ZERO content has been added since release, and any content that is added is either finished within an hour or removed.

I do not understand why you feel the need to deliberately post false statements!

If he’s going to argue that there’s no content, the least you could do is back up your response. Cause’ right now you’re going to lose this battle my friend.

Technically it’s up to the one stating there’s a lack of content to post their evidence as they’re the one who made the argument first.

My friend, you are not diving deep enough into this argument. Look forward not back.

Yeah… Still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not on him to provide the evidence. Arnath stated that almost zero content was added without provide any proof and mtpelion challenged it.

If you want, I can state that the state the Earth is flat, have you challenge this, and then say that you must prove me wrong.

You can’t prove that something doesn’t exist, how would you do that exactly? It is up to you to prove that there has been a substantial amount of content added.

Like this:

In the first 2 years of WoW Blizzard released:

8 new dungeons
5 new raids
10 new zones
1 new race
500+ quests
6 PvP maps
2 PvP modes
10 new levels
20+ new skills
50+ new talents
LFg system
Cross server system (first of its kind ever)
4 Festivals

WoW is considered the golden standard of MMO’s, your job would be to show that GW2 does indeed release a similar amount of content. (Hint: it doesn’t).

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Ahh yes the old use a logical fallacy to end the argument when you lose….

Here I’ll start for you:

Number of zones added: 3*
New zones are 1/3 the size or smaller than original game zones
Number of new races: 0
Number of new classes: 0
Number of new legendary’s: 0
Number of new dungeons: 1

1 dungeon also removed
Number of new raids: 0
Number of new quests(DE’s): ~50
LFG Added
Fractals Added
New PvP modes: 1

Removed from rotation
New PvP maps: 3

One removed, one removed from rotation
Number of LS episodes: 29
*
*
*22 removed

Note: This was over 2.5 years as opposed to WoW’s Two years

Would you say that GW2 released a reasonable amount of content in those 2 years as compared to WoW?

Sorry but those items are not the definitive list of what counts as content. Those of us playing since release have experienced a wealth of content rather than the argued “almost zero”.

Wait.. hold up My friend. I’d like an explanation of what you define as “content”. I’ve been playing since release my friend, and I do not feel that there has been a wealth of content. Prove me wrong.

You know all of that which we did during season one? That was content. Content is more than just that list you posted. Whether permanent or temporary, content is still content. The Nightmare Tower, Scarlet’s Playhouse, Queen’s Pavillion, Assault on LA, and so on were all content. The story instances of season two were all content as well. The statement that there has been “almost zero” content is false.

I included all of those in the list under LS episodes.. Unless you are arguing that they weren’t removed… if so please point out where I can play them?

You posted everything briefly in a small list and broken out individual items to give the impression that there hasn’t been much content released.

The uphill battle is a strong one. Stay frosty my friend

Really had to chuckle here

Thank-you for the laugh my friend. Unfortunately, my post is now edited. Some people lost their cool when the truth hurts. My bank account is running dry my friend.

Edit. I was lied to by my friend. My friend, why would you do this to me?

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Posted by: Guhracie.3419

Guhracie.3419

Geez, guys calm down. The LS wasn’t that great that it’s worth the amount of whining in this thread.
Sorry, but in my opinion gw2 would be far worse if they would cut or skip the nice festival-events like Wintersday or Halloween just for the sake of the LS. I’m sure if they did this, the forum would be flooded with hate-threads…
Let’s just give the devs the benefit of the doubt, that they will make better decisions for the gameplay and content in the new year.

Yeah, because they’ve made such excellent decisions this year. I totally agree that it’s terrible that they skip festival content in favor of living story, though. Like SAB and Dragon Bash.

“Be angry about legendary weapons, sure, but what about the recent drought of content?”
-Mike O’Brien
Because we can’t be angry about both?

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Posted by: VergilDeZaniah.3295

VergilDeZaniah.3295

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

Nah seriously, your logic is hard to get.

They did some job BUT removed it, and we should still consider they made it and that is it part of the final product we have, and we should understand that after two years they did twice more than what we see.

So, as a translator, I erased a third of the chapters I already translated (the first ones!), and I release a book, everyone must understand that I did my job yet removed content, but you can’t say I didn’t do what I had to do since I did it for the lucky ones that could witness my translating process.

Guild leader of The Nephilim of Elysium.

Son of Elonia.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

He is right though, your temporary content is worth NOTHING for this game. Not for new players that never experienced it, nor for veterans, as they cannot play it either anymore.

It is as useless as a infinite coin for SAB.

To new players, no. They never got to experience this content. For players since the release, yes. With season two, they made more permanent after the requests of many players. It is unfortunate that season one was not initially done like this as well.

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

Woudl the contents of the feature packs be considered ‘content’? if so then they seem to be missing from your list.

Those are feature packs, which contain features. I left features off of both lists except for LFG and cross server stuff since that revolutionized the MMO genre starting with WoW.

I also did both lists in compact form. I used the same form for WoW and GW2, GW2 just didn’t add nearly as much content as WoW did in the same time frame. You are welcome to type out an expanded list, just make sure you use the same format when you type up the comparison list for WoW. I don’t have enough time to type out the pages and pages it would take. I mean each zone in WoW contains a full LS worth of story and content through their quests, with special instances, voice over etc, just as GW2 LS does. The difference of course being that WoW released 10 seasons worth of that in 2 years as opposed to 2.

Of course looking back I left a couple of things off the WoW list. They also added in a new crafting profession and expanded all existing crafting professions (as opposed to just 3/4 of them like GW2)

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Certain annual events have to be inserted so quite your crying over Halloween and Winterday as they always interrupted.

Last year Winterday lasted 6 weeks.

We had LS 1 conclude between Jan 21 to Apr 1st if you grant the last chapter two weeks even though it lasted 4.

Then Feature Pack 1 on Apr 15th. Then 5 weeks until the Festival which lasted 6 weeks.

LS 2 Part 1 started on July 1st and ran 8 weeks. Then a four week gap until Feature Pack 2. Then six weeks to Halloween which lasted 2 weeks until LS 2 Part 2 which started on Nov 4th and ran 6 weeks.

Then Winterday 2014 starts on the 16th.

So overall we had:

36 days of Winterday between 2013’s and 2014’s.
14 days of Halloween
72 days of Festival of the Four Winds (which I admit is a bit much)
70 days of LS 1
98 days of LS 2

Which leaves 75 days, roughly 2 and 1/2 months of nothing besides adapting to Feature Packs which moved the cheese of many a vet players while on the carrot side did give us the wardrobe and better organization of the Hero screen. TP changes were a mixed bag at best. Traits were a disaster and the lack of a reasonable treatment of vet players in the NPE left a bad taste in a lot of mouths.

Also remember that Winterday likely covers a fair amount of dev vacation time. You really don’t want to see the kind of stuff that comes out of an eggnog/champagne haze so I grant them mid December to mid January as a reasonable downtime period.

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Posted by: mtpelion.4562

mtpelion.4562

GW2 released with more “content” than WoW did, cost less (or the same, my memory is fuzzy on this point) to buy than WoW did, and has no monthly subscription.

Comparing the number of items added since launch is going to give you a really nice set of pointless data, as it doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation (which is that there can be no apples to apples comparison and such attempts are meaningless).

If WoW was really better at delivering what the lying players wanted, they would be playing WoW instead of posting on the GW2 forums.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

Nah seriously, your logic is hard to get.

They did some job BUT removed it, and we should still consider they made it and that is it part of the final product we have, and we should understand that after two years they did twice more than what we see.

So, as a translator, I erased a third of the chapters I already translated (the first ones!), and I release a book, everyone must understand that I did my job yet removed content, but you can’t say I didn’t do what I had to do since I did it for the lucky ones that could witness my translating process.

Just because content is temporary, does not mean that it is not content.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

Danikat.8537

Am I the only one that’s happy we get time dedicated to the Wintersday stuff?

Admittedly I’m probably coming from a different perspective to a lot of people here – since launch I’ve only played for just over 2,000 hours so I still have a lot to do with the base game and over Christmas I’m always away for about 2 weeks.

Between the two having a temporary update up for 4 weeks before we go back to new permanent content seems like a pretty good deal.

Plus you have to factor in that one of the main reasons for this is probably Anet wanting to be able to close the office for a week or two so everyone can spend time with their families, like most of the other people in the country will be doing at the same time.

Danielle Aurorel, Dear Dragon We Got Your Cookies [Nom], Desolation (EU).

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Posted by: saye.9304

saye.9304

Geez, guys calm down. The LS wasn’t that great that it’s worth the amount of whining in this thread.
Sorry, but in my opinion gw2 would be far worse if they would cut or skip the nice festival-events like Wintersday or Halloween just for the sake of the LS. I’m sure if they did this, the forum would be flooded with hate-threads…
Let’s just give the devs the benefit of the doubt, that they will make better decisions for the gameplay and content in the new year.

Yeah, because they’ve made such excellent decisions this year. I totally agree that it’s terrible that they skip festival content in favor of living story, though. Like SAB and Dragon Bash.

they never have to skip festival event it can come a weak after LS or even along with LS considering the festival event is same as last year with minor changes, what they did was to use festival as excuse to take another break and end year with unfinished ls season, that is lazy kind of work.

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Posted by: Jedge.3619

Jedge.3619

Read my posts. I stated that there was perement content and temporary content. Both are considered content.

If I get it right, you’ve got temporary money on your bank account, but if it reaches 0, you still have it since it’s money (even if it’s temporary).

So temporary is permanent because even if it’s invisible it still exists. Therefore permanent is permanent and temporary is temporary.

Makes total sense.

Wow lol

Nah seriously, your logic is hard to get.

They did some job BUT removed it, and we should still consider they made it and that is it part of the final product we have, and we should understand that after two years they did twice more than what we see.

So, as a translator, I erased a third of the chapters I already translated (the first ones!), and I release a book, everyone must understand that I did my job yet removed content, but you can’t say I didn’t do what I had to do since I did it for the lucky ones that could witness my translating process.

Just because content is temporary, does not mean that it is not content.

My friend, I searched far and wide for this content called SAB. But it was no where to be found my friend. Why did you say there was something there? I cannot experience this wonderful content anet has created, but you yourself have. Who am I to believe my friend?

What a Churlundalo