Guild Wars 2

You can get 40 max per moth. At 35 a piece, competing with the amulets which give better stats and nobody has, the grind for rings for people who do not do fractals is insane.

With the new fractal relic system, I can do lv10, 20, 30, and 40 dailies. I have 2 characters at lv20+, which means I can easily get maybe 3-4 daily chests per day for a chance at rings+ pristine fractal relics.

Assuming I have bad luck, I can get an ascended ring via fractals in 2-3days.

Let’s assume a more conservative scenario of a single character at 20-30 or two characters with 10. Running daily chests would still mean you could make 2-3 per day, it’d still be 4-5 days.

4-5 days VERSUS 35 days of daily chores for a single ring. Competing for the only source of ascended amulets. Ascended rings from fractals function in all areas of the game — ascended rings from laurels only function well in NON-FRACTALS.

It’s insane how overpriced some items are.

And as a suggestion, PLEASE don’t implement patches with dailies 3 hours before the reset. EST players were thoroughly screwed as many of them work/study and get home by 6-7 only to find they are behind and screwed out of earning one laurel compared to Europeans, who had plenty of time to get their daily.

Right now? No. A year from now? Some people will have laurels just sitting around, collecting dust. No harm in putting things in that they may want for an alt or something, when the day comes.

I can now access the rings without ever having to do fotm (example, not me specifically). Now someone can just do dailies (extremely easy in wvw) and the monthly and get a ring with (slightly) better stats then a crafted exotic.

Fast forward: I roll a new toon, work on levelling it while doing the daily, month and in the end I will have earned some tokens towards a ring and not have to spend any money on it. Doing fotm will certainly earn it faster, but now you can earn it another way.

Palador.2170:

Right now? No. A year from now? Some people will have laurels just sitting around, collecting dust. No harm in putting things in that they may want for an alt or something, when the day comes.

BiS gear is not something you plan for the long term. Let’s turn AC gear token requirements up to 700 tokens per armor and 1000 for a two-hander and see if the long term is that appealing while your toon is sitting on subpar rares.

Palador.2170:

Right now? No. A year from now? Some people will have laurels just sitting around, collecting dust. No harm in putting things in that they may want for an alt or something, when the day comes.

BiS gear is not something you plan for the long term. Let’s turn AC gear token requirements up to 700 tokens per armor and 1000 for a two-hander and see if the long term is that appealing while your toon is sitting on subpar rares.

Ellieanna.5027:

I can now access the rings without ever having to do fotm (example, not me specifically). Now someone can just do dailies (extremely easy in wvw) and the monthly and get a ring with (slightly) better stats then a crafted exotic.

Fast forward: I roll a new toon, work on levelling it while doing the daily, month and in the end I will have earned some tokens towards a ring and not have to spend any money on it. Doing fotm will certainly earn it faster, but now you can earn it another way.

To not reach lv10 fotm is a very rare instance even on people who hate dungeons. Up till 10 it is a forgiving, easy dungeon with nice drops, including lodestones and plenty of rares.

Even with a character only at lv10 you earn the ring three times as fast.

Should people who do WvW/non-fractals be punished that much for their preference of game format?

While the prices might need adjusting – then if this is a step for being able to get BiS without having to grind FotM over and over, then I would be able to live with that while price adjustments are being worked on.

However, it requires the gear to be at the very same powerlevel as the ones you get from FotM to be worthwhile.

This is for the more casual players that may not care about BiS gear. They may not want to run fractals and dungeons, but doing dailies is something they enjoy. When the time comes, they’ll look and see that they can get a good piece of equipment for a set cost in laurels. If it’s worth it or not will be up to them to decide.

Palador.2170:

This is for the more casual players that may not care about BiS gear. They may not want to run fractals and dungeons, but doing dailies is something they enjoy. When the time comes, they’ll look and see that they can get a good piece of equipment for a set cost in laurels. If it’s worth it or not will be up to them to decide.

Says who? This is for people who do not like fotm, not just casual players. Why are you lumping people who prefer other game formats with casuals?

I have 5 characters. Because the pristine relics did not exist and I was unlucky with rings, I had to level 2 toons to fotm 20 for double daily tier chests until I saw my FIRST ring. I now have 427 fractals completed between those two characters. Naturally, I have rings for 3 of my characters now, but only for one spec (no variety for condition specs or toughness specs).

I’d like a way to efficiently gear my characters that didn’t involve fotm, as cute as capping that 500/500 fractals completed achievement may be.

You did not read all that on the rings there is a new utilities so you can put the +20 % mf gold find and the 15% karma. It makes some way to get rings if you do not run fractal and a use beyond that of just fractal.

Jski.6180:

You did not read all that on the rings there is a new utilities so you can put the +20 % mf gold find and the 15% karma. It makes some way to get rings if you do not run fractal and a use beyond that of just fractal.

Unless that 15% karma works on jugs, nobody will slot utility over raw stats. Certainly not people who care for WvW.

Reasons I’ll probably get rings through Laurels
1) I seldom have enough time in a solid chunk to run fractals without going afk which is unfair to the group so I don’t go.
2) I don’t even really like fractals anyway.
3) NO RNG!!! I can get the rings I want/need.

Well, to be honest, I probably will. At least for my main. And assuming I can actually dodge at the right moment enough times…lol

Palador.2170:

Right now? No. A year from now? Some people will have laurels just sitting around, collecting dust. No harm in putting things in that they may want for an alt or something, when the day comes.

Don’t you mean “we’ll have most of the playerbase ‘sitting on their laurels’”?

eh?

ehhh?

Zenith.7301:

Jski.6180:

You did not read all that on the rings there is a new utilities so you can put the +20 % mf gold find and the 15% karma. It makes some way to get rings if you do not run fractal and a use beyond that of just fractal.

Unless that 15% karma works on jugs, nobody will slot utility over raw stats. Certainly not people who care for WvW.

True just 15% not that big and most likely it will work on jugs but you can put it on 2 rings and 1 neck atm so realty is 45%. If you go MF it will be 20% and same with the GF and that is before the buffs of the rings / necks them self.

This is only the first stage of getting Laurels. They said they will add more ways to get them in the coming months.

So it will get easier, stop freaking out and actually pay attention to what developers say.

Sladeakakevin.4162:

This is only the first stage of getting Laurels. They said they will add more ways to get them in the coming months.

But will they add more alternate ways to get ascended eq? Like by crafting, for example?

I know, crafting being actually useful is a novel idea…

Astralporing.1957:

Sladeakakevin.4162:

This is only the first stage of getting Laurels. They said they will add more ways to get them in the coming months.

But will they add more alternate ways to get ascended eq? Like by crafting, for example?

I know, crafting being actually useful is a novel idea…

Since release a large amount of people have been using crafted exotics, and still are today. It seems vaguely useful…

Minion of Vey.4398:

Astralporing.1957:

Sladeakakevin.4162:

This is only the first stage of getting Laurels. They said they will add more ways to get them in the coming months.

But will they add more alternate ways to get ascended eq? Like by crafting, for example?

I know, crafting being actually useful is a novel idea…

Since release a large amount of people have been using crafted exotics, and still are today. It seems vaguely useful…

Only because there are still slots that don’t have ascended equivalents. And only because Anet forgot about more than half of useful stat sets when making ascended. First will not last forever. Second i hope is going to be fixed eventually. Then there will be no point for exotics at all.

Astralporing.1957:

Minion of Vey.4398:

Astralporing.1957:

Sladeakakevin.4162:

This is only the first stage of getting Laurels. They said they will add more ways to get them in the coming months.

But will they add more alternate ways to get ascended eq? Like by crafting, for example?

I know, crafting being actually useful is a novel idea…

Since release a large amount of people have been using crafted exotics, and still are today. It seems vaguely useful…

Only because there are still slots that don’t have ascended equivalents. And only because Anet forgot about more than half of useful stat sets when making ascended. First will not last forever. Second i hope is going to be fixed eventually. Then there will be no point for exotics at all.

So in other words crafting is useful, will continue to be useful, but might be less useful if things happen to go a certain way that isn’t likely, such as ascended NEVER being able to be crafted in the future.

Got it.

You want conservative scenarios? I have 1 character at 80 and she’s on lvl 4 fractals That’s what 99% of the player base looks at and they welcome this change.

Right, because doing a full level 10+ fractal run is equal in difficulty to doing daily achievements.

If you want to get your ascended rings by just doing your dailys, then you have that option.

Doing your dailys for 10 days shouldn’t be the same as doing a level 10+ full fractal run once a day for 10 days.

People who aren’t willing to do fractal still have the option to get their rings, they just have to wait longer.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Right, because doing a full level 10+ fractal run is equal in difficulty to doing daily achievements.

If you want to get your ascended rings by just doing your dailys, then you have that option.

Doing your dailys for 10 days shouldn’t be the same as doing a level 10+ full fractal run once a day for 10 days.

People who aren’t willing to do fractal still have the option to get their rings, they just have to wait longer.

A lv10 fractal is easily done in 20-30 minutes.

Your daily solo will take you about the same amount of time, especially the one asking for “events” and underwater kills and gathering and kill variety.

If you think lv10 fractal is hard, I don’t know what to say to you. Other than you’ve clearly not run lv30 or Arah/Sorrow’s Embrace.

Palador.2170:

This is for the more casual players that may not care about BiS gear. They may not want to run fractals and dungeons, but doing dailies is something they enjoy. When the time comes, they’ll look and see that they can get a good piece of equipment for a set cost in laurels. If it’s worth it or not will be up to them to decide.

This, prettymuch. I’ve never even done a fractal and don’t desire to. Meanwhile I’ve done years worth of dailies on other MMOs so 35 more is a cakewalk for me and I’m sure many others. Never underestimate the amount of dailies your typical player, even casual players, are willing to go through.

Well i’ve been luriking around hoping this patch would fix the ascended Gear acquisition. It takes 10 pristine fractal relics to get an ascended Ring right ? Why does it then not take 10 laurels to get one either ? Doesn’t make any sense. I completely agree the prices are ridicolous. Not to say this is still not play as you want it’s play as the daily tells you. Oh on that note can you get the Amulets in FOTM ? If not it’s even less play as you want.

Meh, always half-baked implementations forcing players to favour certain ways of playing the game over others. I’m glad there’s finally a way to get this gear that doesn’t involve the hateful repetition of grinding out the same Fractal content day-in, day-out.
But you’re still saying to players that Fractals are what you would prefer them to be doing.
Judging by comments here, for the average Fractal grinding player, getting rings is a trivial affair. I would judge that for those that do nothing but Fractals, it would take probably 2 days to get 2 ascended rings.
Yeah, the 90 odd days to grind out the Laurels required from dailies really compares favourably.
Oh yeah, I have 10 characters too. That’s over 900 laurels.
That’s a slap in the face ArenaNet.
No grind my kitten

Zenith.7301:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Right, because doing a full level 10+ fractal run is equal in difficulty to doing daily achievements.

If you want to get your ascended rings by just doing your dailys, then you have that option.

Doing your dailys for 10 days shouldn’t be the same as doing a level 10+ full fractal run once a day for 10 days.

People who aren’t willing to do fractal still have the option to get their rings, they just have to wait longer.

A lv10 fractal is easily done in 20-30 minutes.

Your daily solo will take you about the same amount of time, especially the one asking for “events” and underwater kills and gathering and kill variety.

If you think lv10 fractal is hard, I don’t know what to say to you. Other than you’ve clearly not run lv30 or Arah/Sorrow’s Embrace.

I’m calling complete and total bullkitten on that.

There is no way you’re doing a level 10 fractal in 20 minutes, even if you do swamp, underwater, snowblind

Even if it takes a couple of hours Wasabi Kitty, it’s still stupidly quicker than a month grinding out laurels.

The price for rings should have been 10 laurels AT MOST. The daily will probably take as long as a lvl 10 fractal run(~1hr) so it should should be equal in cost. FotM also gives a RNG chance at a ring every day. Of my first 10 runs I got 5 rings, that’s 6 rings in 10 days vs 1 ring a month with laurels.

ArenaNet needs to wise up and quit this grinding tunnel vision design they are working on.

Then do it. Fractals are much more difficult and require more of a time and energy investment than daily achievements. If you’re putting more effort into getting rings with fractals, you should be able to get them faster.

It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that you should be able to get an ascended ring in the same amount of time doing content that is faster, and easier.

Why should he or me or anyone ? The game was advertised as play the game as you want and get the gear as you want. Of course the game went away from that on November 15th, they just didn’t do anything to fix it with this patch either. There’s one viable way to get Rings and one Viable way to get amulets (Laurels for that).

Oh for god’s sake Kitty, some of us don’t want to spend our limited time grinding away the same content over and over. That’s not fun; it’s work.
Why is it ridiculous that Dailies should have the same reward rate as Fractals?
What if I think players who are able to adapt to new scenarios and seek out different ways of achieving dailies are better than people who play the same content that doesn’t change over and over again?
Let’s face it, there’s nothing hard or unpredictable about playing the same instanced, scripted content over and over.
You just have to have a complete lack of imagination and be stimulated by repetitive grind.

There are two routes. Take whichever you want … Sjeezz. I like the cost. There’s a bit of time investment involved which can easily be done at a casual pace. Sure 35 laurels is quite some. It just means I have something to look forward to. It takes a bit of time to deck out my character and I’m happy with that (if and only if this is the final tier)

- laurels lead to rings and amulets
- gold leads to backpacks and amulets
- fractals leads to rings and backpacks

Working as intended. Quite diverse ways to get ascended gear.

No actually a diverse way would be:
- Crafting leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Karma leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Dungeons leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Fractals leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Gold leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- WVWVW leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Whatever else im forgetting leads to ring, backpack and amulets

That’s diverse.

Mungrul.9358:

Oh for god’s sake Kitty, some of us don’t want to spend our limited time grinding away the same content over and over. That’s not fun; it’s work.
Why is it ridiculous that Dailies should have the same reward rate as Fractals?
What if I think players who are able to adapt to new scenarios and seek out different ways of achieving dailies are better than people who play the same content that doesn’t change over and over again?
Let’s face it, there’s nothing hard or unpredictable about playing the same instanced, scripted content over and over.
You just have to have a complete lack of imagination and be stimulated by repetitive grind.

Oh give it a break, if you think doing daily achievements is even close to the same as fractals in terms of difficulty or time then you’re deluded.

This gives you a choice. Do something easier and wait a bit longer for rings, or do something a bit harder and get them faster.

Stop being a spoiled brat who has to have everything right now.

If you think you should do some easy as hell daily achievements and get an ascended ring in the same amount of time as it takes doing fractals, you’re crazy.

Really, fractals are incredibly simple once you know them. I’ve done them, and I can’t stand them, because they never change. You don’t run in to random players. Events don’t bleed into eachother and create interesting new scenarios.

People who insist that instanced content is difficult are fooling themselves and trying to fool others into thinking they’re some kind of elite.
You’re not. You’re just able to repeat the same action over and over again. Congratulations.
Your task could be performed with as much style and panache by a robot.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Oh give it a break, if you think doing daily achievements is even close to the same as fractals in terms of difficulty or time then you’re deluded.

This gives you a choice. Do something easier and wait a bit longer for rings, or do something a bit harder and get them faster.

I don’t think dailies are close to fractals in terms of difficulty. Fractals are kittenly easy once you’ve got them on farm , and are merely a time sink. Compared to that, some dailies can be a real pain in the puppy if you can’t find that last event.

Stop being a spoiled brat who has to have everything right now.

If you think you should do some easy as hell daily achievements and get an ascended ring in the same amount of time as it takes doing fractals, you’re crazy.

I agree. So nerf the rate of gaining ascended through easy fractal 10 or seriously up the difficulty on fractals. The time should be about the same since fractals are just as easy as dailies if not more since fractals are more predictable.

No one smart would ever buy the rings with laurels, but at least the option is there so all the whiners on the boards aren’t like, “Omg you are forcing me to do this, because it is the only way to obtain that.”

marnick.4305:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Oh give it a break, if you think doing daily achievements is even close to the same as fractals in terms of difficulty or time then you’re deluded.

This gives you a choice. Do something easier and wait a bit longer for rings, or do something a bit harder and get them faster.

I don’t think dailies are close to fractals in terms of difficulty. Fractals are kittenly easy once you’ve got them on farm , and are merely a time sink. Compared to that, some dailies can be a real pain in the puppy if you can’t find that last event.

Stop being a spoiled brat who has to have everything right now.

If you think you should do some easy as hell daily achievements and get an ascended ring in the same amount of time as it takes doing fractals, you’re crazy.

I agree. So nerf the rate of gaining ascended through easy fractal 10 or seriously up the difficulty on fractals. The time should be about the same since fractals are just as easy as dailies if not more since fractals are more predictable.

Oh please, I can finish my dailys in 15 minutes without even paying attention.

Level 10 fractals aren’t exactly difficult, but they’re nowhere near as easy as daily achievements.

Nobody will buy ascended rings with laurels is your problem, why?

There are dyes available for laurels…. but you can buy them with silver from the trading post at any time… are you complaining about those as well?

People are free to spend however much they want on whatever they want.

There is no reason to complain about it.

Nobody will buy ascended rings with laurels? Im nobody :P

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Level 10 fractals aren’t exactly difficult, but they’re nowhere near as easy as level 10+ fractals.

Well … what are you complaining about then? You can stick to the easy lvl 10 fractals while more pro people climb up the rank. I don’t care, I will do whatever I feel like. I’m skilled enough to roll any level fractal if my guild takes half a minute to explain the tactics.

Skill is not related to a level in the dungeon. It is a measurement of a player, and carries over into other games. I’ve been playing video games for over 20 years. I don’t need to farm a whole lot of fractals to “learn”. I can just start at “very hard” if I feel like it. I’m skilled enough as a player to make it through.

i will certainly buy rings, for ever one of my characters too, i dont care how long it takes either, im in this game for the long haul, espeically since i dont have to pay for a subscription to play

I don’t see the problem, most ppl will get their daily done while doing different stuff (like fractals for instance). The whole daily / monthly shizzle is a bonus, no more and no less. Quit whining about it. Don’t spend the laurels on rings if you have the idea that doing fractals is an easier way to get them. Simple.

Tinybel.3847:

No actually a diverse way would be:
- Crafting leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Karma leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Dungeons leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Fractals leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Gold leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- WVWVW leads to ring, backpack and amulets
- Whatever else im forgetting leads to ring, backpack and amulets

That’s diverse.

Maybe aNet should hire this dude.

I will…

I don’t care for instanced dungeons, so why would i do them if i don’t enjoy it? Especially if theres other methods of getting what i would need.

People constantly complain about “grind” in MMOs, then go off and do things they don’t want to be doing, to get some pixelated piece of armor as though it were some sort of status symbol (in an online world to boot). Its almost ridiculous, really.

Stop doing things you don’t want to be doing, and MMOs probably won’t be as grindy.

I don’t do fractals (partly because I don’t enjoy them, partly because few others in my guild seem to be interested in doing them) so laurels are likely to be my only access to Ascended gear at the moment. Frankly, taking just over a month to get a new piece of gear doesn’t bother me in the slightest; for those complaining that it is so much faster in Fractals then why are you even considering acquiring them via laurels?

I’m probably that kind of loser as well. I’m lvl 4 fotm, and I hate this place. Horrible, repetitive, boring.
I wish I could get that gear by wvwing, but apparently ANet only appreciate their pve crowd (can’t wait for the next patch tho… I hope this time we will have some love from you).
Oh well, I guess 100 days for 3 items isn’t a “grind”.

I think there gonna add more ways to get laurels in the game.

I was supprised at how low the laurel cost for ascended gear is. I got my first laurel daily by just playing the game. I figure I can continue to play how I like to play and after a month I’ll have a near guaranteed item upgrade.

You can’t consider it low when you can craft a full exotic set and weapons in less than 15 minutes.

nalovas.5961:

I was supprised at how low the laurel cost for ascended gear is. I got my first laurel daily by just playing the game. I figure I can continue to play how I like to play and after a month I’ll have a near guaranteed item upgrade.

I have eight characters. Getting ascended eq for all of them this way is not reasonable, so i guess i will still be forced to farm fractals. And even then i’ll be forced into changing builds, because most of those i’m using now are not included in ascended tier.
So, this upgrade has changed nothing for me, really. It just enforced the idea that the ascended eq is supposed to be mindnumbingly boring grind. And that for some reason is Anet’s definition of fun.