Guild Wars 2

You are a company,we know and understand that. We might not like it,but we do know it. We know that your main goal is having an income. Sure,some of your developers might be getting some ethical satisfaction out of their job, but the general strife is towars money.

So that gets us where? To the draconian diminishing returns that you have instituted upon everyone in order to counter bots who partially ruin your income.

I’m not sure what kind of economy advisors you have, but basic maths and logic say that losing 20% of a huge pie is less than losing 10% of a small pie.

Don’t act like you know everything on how to counter bots. Most of your players has been into this genre for more than 7-10 years and we all know one fact. That you can’t eradicate bots.

You want to earn an income? Then give your players an actual reason to give you money and stop punishing them. Instead of taking care of how to lose a smaller amount of your pie, why don’t you invest that time on making the pie bigger instead?

So here are some tips that will help you increase that pie and,trust me, that people will actually respect on your behalf. And that respect will also make them more prone on opening their wallets to you.

First of all, let’s start with basics. You want this game to survive out of micro-transactions. Right? Well, let’s pay a little attention to the name of the formula. It’s micro-transactions. That means small. And there is nothing small to having 10 euros as the lowest amount of gem purchase available.

So let’s start with this:

a) Introduce the options of buying gems with 2,5 and 5 euros.

Now that this is established, why don’t you give people something extra and actually useful to spend that money on. Not everyone is fascinated by walking around like a chef ya know, but you know, I’m willing to put my hand in fire that a big part of your playerbase has got some of the details wrong on their character creation. Small details, like making the head too big, like picking just a tone brigther colour or picking the wrong glow colour on a sylvari. Or are even unsatisfied with being male or female and want to change.

I’m also willing to bet that a large part of those players are willing to give you and you alone money in order to be able to fix those minor or major details. Not the gold sellers or anyone else, they are willing to give you money for a feature that you do not yet provide them.

So let’s get to:

b) Give us buyable features that are actually widely requested,like
1) Character re-customization
2) Male/Female change
3) Do a survey on your forums what else people want. This is what you have them for, to get feedback.

Yet you keep punishing them for something they are not responsible.

Exploiting dungeons, exploiting the grubs in Orr, exploiting whatever is a despicable act. But when someone commits a crime, you do not punish the whole city that said person lives in,you punish that person and that person alone.

This is a wake up call and I hope you get it. Start working on giving the players a reason to buy stuff off you instead of punishing them because a few people are taking some of your income away.

Unless you don’t want to keep your pie of money going, it’s already shrinking and I’m sure you have noticed. Don’t you think that this is what you should focus on? You can’t eradicate pests, so stop trying to save the rotten food they eat, try serving more fresh food to everyone instead.

They didn’t punish the whole city. I and other players like me remain completely unaffected.

Also, this.

Your taking this out of proportion for what it really is.

He’s prolly just mad he can’t grub anymore, prolly.

But seriously, low-risk/low-effort, high-reward activity like farming should never be rewarded more than playing the game normally, and really, that’s the only kind of stuff the anti-farm code punishes right now. ANet’s the first company to get it right. /applaud

DusK.3849:

He’s prolly just mad he can’t grub anymore, prolly.

But seriously, low-risk/low-effort, high-reward activity like farming should never be rewarded more than playing the game normally, and really, that’s the only kind of stuff the anti-farm code punishes right now. ANet’s the first company to get it right. /applaud

I have seen you make this argument several times now. What is normal game play to you? What if your normal game play and someone else’s normal game play dont match up? Should the other person be limited because it doesnt match your idea of normal game play?

LoL sounds like MMO game play discrimination to me. And no, I dont think ANET has it right. /boooo

DusK.3849:

He’s prolly just mad he can’t grub anymore, prolly.

But seriously, low-risk/low-effort, high-reward activity like farming should never be rewarded more than playing the game normally, and really, that’s the only kind of stuff the anti-farm code punishes right now. ANet’s the first company to get it right. /applaud

Obviously you didn’t read all of my post if you say something like that. Do you have that reply ready to be copy pasted or what?

I never grubbed in Orr and neither have I bothered exploiting anything. If you like using that as an excuse to de-value someone’s opinion, be my guest, my dignity remains clear.

If I want to invest the proper time to farm something, then nothing should extend that time requirement. If my “fun” for the day is crafting this and that, then I should be able to do just that, by giving the required time into the game. If your fun is doing the same thing within a week, that’s your own game and it’s neither better or worse, nor more fun in any way.

Also,I could swear I was on the suggestion forums when I was creating this…

Apos.5184:

If I want to invest the proper time to farm something, then nothing should extend that time requirement.

It should if it would yield you more reward than actually going out and doing something in different places of the game world instead of sitting in one spot being useless.

Think of that area you’re trying to farm as a giant resource node. It’s gonna dry up. Deal with it, and move on to the next.

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

If I want to invest the proper time to farm something, then nothing should extend that time requirement.

It should if it would yield you more reward than actually going out and doing something in different places of the game world instead of sitting in one spot being useless.

Think of that area you’re trying to farm as a giant resource node. It’s gonna dry up. Deal with it, and move on to the next.

Is there an ANET source stating this is the design intent? Other than the manifesto with Johanson saying they dont want grinding.

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

If I want to invest the proper time to farm something, then nothing should extend that time requirement.

It should if it would yield you more reward than actually going out and doing something in different places of the game world instead of sitting in one spot being useless.

Think of that area you’re trying to farm as a giant resource node. It’s gonna dry up. Deal with it, and move on to the next.

Ye, about that, it would be nice if different areas yielded the rewards that I need.

If I need potent venom sacks, then no, I won’t go in areas where tiny ones drop.

Since they have made sure that different areas equal to different scale of rewards, then no, diminishing returns are a punishment,not a feature.

You are also missing the main point. You can’t eradicate bots completely. Anyone who thinks they can is a fool. By the time they find the account botting, it has earned more than enough income to fuel another one going if this one gets banned. You can only stall them, not stop them. (not saying that they shouldn’t stall them, but they shouldn’t stall the average player on his/her game either)

On the other hand,there is something that they can do and that’s offersing services that others can’t offer.

/clap
ignore dusk, he likes to think he’s the president of tyria and dictates what others opinions are.

They.9516:

/clap
ignore dusk, he likes to think he’s the president of tyria and dictates what others opinions are.

Since when?

They.9516:

/clap
ignore dusk, he likes to think he’s the president of tyria and dictates what others opinions are.

I don’t ignore anyone. Everyone has the right to express what he has to say. Only thing I ask is actual arguments.

Phrases like “forums are not an indication of the community thoughts” or "stop anything relevant to that are not argument and won’t prove anything.

Unless arenanet posts numbers of the average amount of players playing ever since the diminishing returns got widely known, then noone has solid ground saying that all the people who complain are wrong. Like I said before, you can never stop having complaining threads in your forums as a company, it’s when they pop up one after another that you should start worrying and this is what actually happens.

That being said, Dusk has actually linked one of his own threads where he proposes something which is actually good as well. Whether he understands our own reasoning or just has more faith in arenanet, that’s his opinion and is acceptable, as long as he is able to discuss over different opinions as well.

This is the same way they handled bots in GW1, to be honest (there were the same DR anti-farming mechanics there, too). It’s how they do things. It’s very unlikely to change.

The DR is cheap and efficient in stopping bots.

Employing people to monitor the game and follow-up reports, costs lots of money and effort.

The unitended outcome is that it forces your population to play the way you tell them to play.

It’s dictatorial and quickly ensures the demise of a game shortly thereafter.

The very very worst idea you can have as a game developer is to devise and game, especially an MMO and then not only “encourage” your players to play how you think they should play, but actually force them to play the way you see fit.

It never works and the backlash will be too strong for them to leave it in.

It will get taken out eventually, it’s just a question of whether there will be enough people left when it does.

Go and ask Square Enix how well their foray into a DR system in FFXIV went. Their lead developer got fired and replaced, but the damage has been so immense and so lasting that it will never recover.

It literally went from a population of millions to a meagre thousands to tens of thousands in a period of a few weeks.

The devs there were adamant they would not take it out to their own detriment and game’s demise.

They did change their mind, but it was far too late.

The difference here is SE were relying on subs to pay their exstensive staff. ANet already have our money upfront, so as far as they are concerned whether you play or not anymore isn’t really important.

The in-game store has such a poor array of things to buy that’s its never going to turn a significant profit.

Even with a pay upfront game losing a massive percentage of your player base has long lasting damaging effects.

The DR will do this. I’ve seen it happen before.

FFXIV had many more problems than its DR system! The game had almost no content to speak of, had cut and paste areas and so on — it was not really a game, at least not a fleshed out one, DR or not. It was the rest of it that emptied the game quickly.

It’s dictatorial and quickly ensures the demise of a game shortly thereafter.

That must be why the original Guild Wars up and died.

Oh, wait….

UndeadRufus.6832:

It’s dictatorial and quickly ensures the demise of a game shortly thereafter.

That must be why the original Guild Wars up and died.

Oh, wait….

Might have something to do with why the original Guild Wars never became big despite having some good ideas behind it.

Apos.5184:

the original Guild Wars never became big

Four million copies sold and a higher population than WoW just before the release of MoP apparently means it “never became big” now.

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

the original Guild Wars never became big

Four million copies sold and a higher population than WoW just before the release of MoP apparently means it “never became big” now.

Which part of original guild wars didn’t you get?

Any by the way, with 4 million copies sold, then it obviously didn’t have a higher population that WoW. Unless each copy is shared by 2-3 players.

I was talking about the original GW. It sold 4 million copies and had a higher concurrent user base than WoW during several periods of its life cycle.

You can’t just look at that and say “yeah, it never got big.” 4 million is an admirable milestone regardless of genre.

Apos.5184:

Might have something to do with why the original Guild Wars never became big despite having some good ideas behind it.

I’m not sure how you’re defining ‘big,’ but that’s a hand-wave secondary to the point anyway.

And here I am quoting figures from 2007. I need to keep up.

Apos.5184:

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

the original Guild Wars never became big

Four million copies sold and a higher population than WoW just before the release of MoP apparently means it “never became big” now.

Which part of original guild wars didn’t you get?

Any by the way, with 4 million copies sold, then it obviously didn’t have a higher population that WoW. Unless each copy is shared by 2-3 players.

WoW never had at its peak more than 3-4 millions in the West, the rest was asian (mostly chinese) ands they pay in a completely different way. Anyway, if you want to grind and farm there are plenty games out there that cater to those inclinations, GW2, like GW before, doesn’t. So… go play with the other kids? Just leave this game in peace.

Yup good post.

I dont even get the 60 tokens for the first run of the day in a dungeon
It just gives me 40 – 20 – 2 on different paths.

This anti bot code is an anti human code.

UndeadRufus.6832:

It’s dictatorial and quickly ensures the demise of a game shortly thereafter.

That must be why the original Guild Wars up and died.

Oh, wait….

That doesn’t mean this game won’t be affected.

Infact it is exactly that mindset and complacency that destroyed XIV. SE had great success with FFXI and it was a very very good game. People still complain about the UI to this day, which is a fair complaint, but not one that affects gameplay and/or your ability to play the game however you wanted to within reasonable guidlines.

Yes XIV had lots of other problems, other than a bad DR experience system idea.

So does GW2 right now.

There’s far too much wrong with it right now. It’s bugged so very badly. Bots are everywhere and the presence of bots severly restricts the amount of loot and rewards you can get in a busy DE, as they’re all sword swinging melees right at the front.

Tagging anything as a job that doesn’t have an AOE on very short cooldown is nearly impossible and very frustrating. That’s a massive imbalance right there. It will lead to an over-abundance of one specific class until this system changes.

Legendaries aren’t worth getting based on their look alone. A legendary weapon should be just that, legendary in that it has some stats that reward you for the massive time sink you went through to get it. It does not improve your character and in the case of weapons that aren’t very obvious or large, you’re not even going to see anything that looks massively impressive either.

Putting all this aside, just being complacent is enough for irreparable damage to occur in the first few months here that the game can never recover from.

There’s too much in this game that punishes players for playing the game. It’s far too punitive and restrictive.

This should never happen.

muthax.4720:

Apos.5184:

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

the original Guild Wars never became big

Four million copies sold and a higher population than WoW just before the release of MoP apparently means it “never became big” now.

Which part of original guild wars didn’t you get?

Any by the way, with 4 million copies sold, then it obviously didn’t have a higher population that WoW. Unless each copy is shared by 2-3 players.

WoW never had at its peak more than 3-4 millions in the West, the rest was asian (mostly chinese) ands they pay in a completely different way. Anyway, if you want to grind and farm there are plenty games out there that cater to those inclinations, GW2, like GW before, doesn’t. So… go play with the other kids? Just leave this game in peace.

With the severe punishing measures in place that is exactly where you’re headed right now with this game – a never-ending peace.

You’re welcome to it if nothing changes.

I strongly agree that they need to put a LOT of stuff into the gems shop, and they’re missing a trick here by having the gem shop be so sparsely stocked.

There’s a lot of goodwill for the game and I’m sure many players would be willing to pay moderate amounts for small QOL or “flavour” items. I know I would.

Lots and lots of Townie clothes would seem to be the most obvious option for a quick buck surely?

muthax.4720:

Apos.5184:

DusK.3849:

Apos.5184:

the original Guild Wars never became big

Four million copies sold and a higher population than WoW just before the release of MoP apparently means it “never became big” now.

Which part of original guild wars didn’t you get?

Any by the way, with 4 million copies sold, then it obviously didn’t have a higher population that WoW. Unless each copy is shared by 2-3 players.

WoW never had at its peak more than 3-4 millions in the West, the rest was asian (mostly chinese) ands they pay in a completely different way. Anyway, if you want to grind and farm there are plenty games out there that cater to those inclinations, GW2, like GW before, doesn’t. So… go play with the other kids? Just leave this game in peace.

Ye, this is what the blind believers of every other dead-by-now MMO said.

If I leave, who will you buy materials/items from?
If I leave, who will you sell materials/items to?
If I leave, who will you stumble upon and do an event?
If I leave, who will join your guild so that it expands?
If I leave, who will you play with on WvW?
If I leave, who will play against on Wvw?

Replace I with the playerbase that is unhappy and you get the picture. Either you like it or not, in order to play an MMO, you need to have a big playerbase.

In order to have a big playerbase you have to have a variety of rewards that will satisfy multiple types of players.

See where this is going?

Oh,and by the way, the players who farm a bit more do not ruin the economy. If you say that, then you have no clue over what does.

Some farm in order to craft their own gear quickly.
Some farm to pile up gold.
Some farm because they enjoy leveling through crafting.

Do you know that I sell absolutely everything I can on the TP, even though it might be just a few copper above the vendor price and I’m practically losing a couple copper due to the listing price? Does that ruin the economy? I’d earn the same amount of money pretty much,but no, I prefer that someone else gets to use that material/item instead, even if it means that I have to take a trip to the TP office to get the income.

Does that ruin the economy as well? Obviously it should, since everything I sell is things I farmed for.

You are in no place to dictate what fun is to another player. This is an MMO. An MMO that doesn’t offer a variety of potential reward routes, but instead punishes the player by the illusion of personal gain is not on a good track.

And why do I say illusion? I’ve already established that. Losing 20% of a huge playerbase is still more money earned than losing 10% of a medium one. But hey, who’s counting, right?

Going to have to agree.

Between the bugs, the DR, and the camera so screwed up it makes me physically sick if I’m not careful, sometimes I wonder why I don’t just delete the game. Then I remember that I like playing with my friends.

That, and a desperate hope that Anet will actually do something to make the game fun again, like it was my first day of playing. It has so much potential.. and god, would I hate to see it go to waste.
And uh, I’d hate to see my $60 go to waste, too, tbh.

Ah how I didn’t miss all the whiney kids coming over totry to make this game like they want though their small blackmail attempts, whining and menacing, talking about dead MMOs (??).
You people never change. Please do feel to go somewhere else and gloat about the ‘death’ of GW2, like you do with every game you buy.
Unfortunately for you, this time (like many others) your tantrums are pointless.
If by dead MMO you mean without wowtards spazzing all day on teh forums, yeah let’s hope GW2 ‘dies’ soon

btw YOU are in no place to dictate what other players want to play either. Especially when these are the vast majority. Stop dreaming kid

Apos.5184:

So that gets us where? To the draconian diminishing returns that you have instituted upon everyone in order to counter bots who partially ruin your income.

I love the needless slip in of the word Draconian there. If the Diminishing Returns were truly as hideous as people claim, the forums would contain alot more than the occasional hostile post about DR. I’ve actively tried to trigger DR and I can’t seem to do it. I’m sitting in Orr in maximum magic find, pistol whipping 5 zombies that spawn instantly for 2 hours and nothing. I’m still getting loot. So the only conclusions I can come too from my personal experiences is this. Either the code is buggy, which is unlikely since it’s such a simple thing to impliment. Or the players who are “triggering it after 30 minutes of grinding” are using some really hardcore grinding methods.

I’m not sure what kind of economy advisors you have, but basic maths and logic say that losing 20% of a huge pie is less than losing 10% of a small pie.

Here you presume to know numbers you have no way of having access too. This is a bias you’ll now continue to fall into for the rest of the post.

Don’t act like you know everything on how to counter bots. Most of your players has been into this genre for more than 7-10 years and we all know one fact. That you can’t eradicate bots.

Wow… just wow… This comes across as incredibly arrogant and nothing more. There is no wisdom behind these words. As a player who has been playing MMOs for said time. Let me correct you… Yes you cannot eradicate bots. But failure to impliment measures to deal with them and constant removal of accounts that do. Will eventually cause them to utterly overrun your game. Just because you cannot stop the tide, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t flood prevention.

You want to earn an income? snip

So now you’ve done being needless hostile we get your ‘suggestion’ though it still comes across as needlessly antagonistic.

Yet you keep punishing them for something they are not responsible.

Exploiting dungeons, exploiting the grubs in Orr, exploiting whatever is a despicable act. But when someone commits a crime, you do not punish the whole city that said person lives in,you punish that person and that person alone.

This entire post seems like two separate posts mashed together. One post where you irrationally attack arenanet with absurdities like this. And another where you request cosmetic character redesign methods through the gem store. I can only assume you threw the latter in, in the vain hope that your antagonism wouldn’t get your post deleted instantly.

This is a wake up call and I hope you get it. Start working on giving the players a reason to buy stuff off you instead of punishing them because a few people are taking some of your income away.

Unless you don’t want to keep your pie of money going, it’s already shrinking and I’m sure you have noticed. Don’t you think that this is what you should focus on? You can’t eradicate pests, so stop trying to save the rotten food they eat, try serving more fresh food to everyone instead.

This isn’t a wake up call, it’s a very badly written rant and suggestion mashed into one post. Trying to demand the suggestion with an antagonistic and hostile tone. While trying to back it all up with imaginary slices of pie.

You may wish to rethink your method of making suggestions. I hear polite and constructive posts with no baseless assertions are very popular these days.

@muthax, using the word “wowtard” just proves your bias towards other people and pretty much shows that you are completely blind. Thanks for letting me know so early so I didn’t have to waste any more time trying to get some sense into you.

Noone tried to dictate your game, that’s exactly why we ask that you don’t try to dictate ours.

@Alice, sorry, but I can’t even bother to replying to your nonsense right now. Your entire post is trying to devalue my own instead of trying to bring up actual facts to counter-argue mine. If you think that’s going to lure me into anything, then sorry, but I’m beyond that point of low-level arguments.

Ye,my post is badly written at some points, but it’s has also been written quite late at night and is also quite long, so really, going through editing it now is more of a drag than a necessity. It’s quite obvious that you can get the main points of it either way anyway, since you seem so inclined on trying to devalue them, which means that it doesn’t need a fix that badly either.

Apos.5184:

Ye, this is what the blind believers of every other dead-by-now MMO said.

If I leave, who will you buy materials/items from?
If I leave, who will you sell materials/items to?
If I leave, who will you stumble upon and do an event?
If I leave, who will join your guild so that it expands?
If I leave, who will you play with on WvW?
If I leave, who will play against on Wvw?

Replace I with the playerbase that is unhappy and you get the picture. Either you like it or not, in order to play an MMO, you need to have a big playerbase.

In order to have a big playerbase you have to have a variety of rewards that will satisfy multiple types of players.

See where this is going?

Oh,and by the way, the players who farm a bit more do not ruin the economy. If you say that, then you have no clue over what does.

Some farm in order to craft their own gear quickly.
Some farm to pile up gold.
Some farm because they enjoy leveling through crafting.

Do you know that I sell absolutely everything I can on the TP, even though it might be just a few copper above the vendor price and I’m practically losing a couple copper due to the listing price? Does that ruin the economy? I’d earn the same amount of money pretty much,but no, I prefer that someone else gets to use that material/item instead, even if it means that I have to take a trip to the TP office to get the income.

Does that ruin the economy as well? Obviously it should, since everything I sell is things I farmed for.

You are in no place to dictate what fun is to another player. This is an MMO. An MMO that doesn’t offer a variety of potential reward routes, but instead punishes the player by the illusion of personal gain is not on a good track.

And why do I say illusion? I’ve already established that. Losing 20% of a huge playerbase is still more money earned than losing 10% of a medium one. But hey, who’s counting, right?

Couldn’t have said it better myself.
To those defending ArenaNet, do you know why WoW is the giant that it is today? Not because it addicts people to its gear treadmill like most people here claim, but because it caters to every category of players.

I knew a guy who had over 1 million gold; he didn’t raid or anything, but I guess he had the best gear that you could buy at the Auction House. He probably liked seeing gold pile up and spent his time farming. But guess what? As opposed to this game, he could do it.

Also, while playing WoW myself, there were times when I simply didn’t want to do max level stuff. At such times, I could go do low-level dungeons, just for fun (because the rewards weren’t worth it). I also liked soloing certain raid bosses (because I was playing a Death Knight). Can I do that here? Nope, because even if I’m level 80 I’ll still get knocked into the dust and I’ll still need other people to come with me. That was casual play; just for the fun of it and it made you feel as if you’d grown stronger in your journey. Moreover, as of the last patch in Cataclysm, you can even see raid content while not putting too much effort into getting gear, due to the new LFR tool.

So now that this festering pool of nonsense and whine has turned into a “no, I am right, you are wrong” and “wow is teh best”, I suppose it can be closed or moved to a offtopic subforum… sen the level of ‘dialog’ the wowtards are capable of

muthax.4720:

So now that this festering pool of nonsense and whine has turned into a “no, I am right, you are wrong” and “wow is teh best”, I suppose it can be closed or moved to a offtopic subforum… sen the level of ‘dialog’ the wowtards are capable of

I’d like you to point out the exact point where I mentioned like that.

If anything, the only one here who seems to be on a tantrum is you…

I’m asking you a simple thing: Can you place an actual solid argument that proves what you are saying? Do you know what a solid argument means? Let me explain this to you, it’s the exact opposite of saying that I have no clue of what I’m talking about and trying to lower the value of my own arguments. That’s just cheap talk and sorry, but I’ve seen enough of it over the years to not be touched by it.

Simple as that, give me an actual argument why someone who wants to dedicate a little extra time for the day in order to acquire something shouldn’t be able to do it.

muthax.4720:

Ah how I didn’t miss all the whiney kids coming over totry to make this game like they want though their small blackmail attempts, whining and menacing, talking about dead MMOs (??).
You people never change. Please do feel to go somewhere else and gloat about the ‘death’ of GW2, like you do with every game you buy.
Unfortunately for you, this time (like many others) your tantrums are pointless.
If by dead MMO you mean without wowtards spazzing all day on teh forums, yeah let’s hope GW2 ‘dies’ soon

btw YOU are in no place to dictate what other players want to play either. Especially when these are the vast majority. Stop dreaming kid

I’m 33, I’ve been married for 7 years and have 3 children. Sorry, but how old are you exactly? If you’re not older than me (and even if you are) stop calling people kids. It’s crass and makes you look ingnorant, rude and uneducated.

I’m an internet entrepreneur and work from home and as such I have lots of time on my hands to invest in an MMO.

I don’t have tantrums, I provide for a family of 5 and they have the tantrums around me.

Your voice is drowned out by the others saying DR is a real problem right now. Ignore it if you must, but that doens’t mean it’s not a massive flaw in the game.

You seem not to understand what the word “gloat” means or you do know what it means and therefore aren’t applying it correctly at all.

I don’t want the game to fail. I’m not happy that this is the direction it is heading in because I want the game to succeed.

I’m not trying to boast about the fact or nor do I take any small modicum of pleasure in noticing that they way they are punishing everyone will have a very detrimental affect on the game.

If my true feelings were to take pleasure in the demise of a game then I’d be a pathetic person, but I’m not.

I’m allowed to criticize the game and should not have to withstand the tiring personal attacks that come after it.

I’m not a “wowtard” as you put it. I’ve never played the game and you can probably see I used to be an FF fan, which I’ve always considered as the thinking man’s MMO and much much more cerebral than all other titles with the exception of EVE.

I am not trying to dictate how other people play the game. That’s exactly what I am complaining about happening to me. Clever what you did there. Well not really, it’s easy to see you’re just turning the same argument around as you have no real answer.

I’ve already said I want it to be less punitive and restrictive if you choose to play in a way that ANet might not think is the best way of playing the game. I should never be forced to play the way that ANet think I should play the game. Which I am being right now.

The fact is, I get more entertainment having cultured and reasoned discussions on the forum right now, than I do from actually logging in.

There’s no reason I can’t login right now. I just don’t really want to as I’ll just be really disappointed when I do.

Sorry, but you’re wrong in just about everything you said.

If I didn’t care about the game’s future and what I can get out of it, after paying for the CE and PDF guide then I wouldn’t be here.

If I’m going to be called a kid for expressing my opinion and told I’m gloating over the perceived death of a game, then perhaps I should spend my time elsewhere.

Kids. Yeah right. You’re the one that needs to do a bit of growing up here and talk in a reasonable fashion.

muthax.4720:

btw YOU are in no place to dictate what other players want to play either. Especially when these are the vast majority. Stop dreaming kid

Everyone defending the game is bringing this argument up as a fact. How do you know that from the 2 million people that bought the game, the vast majority is enjoying it? Just because there aren’t half a million complaints on the forum doesn’t mean the vast majority of those who purchased are enjoying the game.

Here’s a REAL fact: out of the 17 people in my small guild, there are 4 or 5 that are still logging in, even on weekend days and most of them aren’t even representing the guild anymore. Right now, there’s only 1 person online besides myself. So, there you go the vast majority of my guild isn’t enjoying the game and they simply stopped logging in, without coming to the forums. Of course, this may be not relevant to the game’s population as a whole, but there have been other people reporting even larger amounts of people quitting.

Also, we’re not claiming that the game is dying, but that ArenaNet is killing it with their bad decisions.

In total agreement with the OP.
Has the DR system/Anti-bot-code done anything to decrease the number of bots? Absolutely not. This is in no way a solution to the epidemic we all know as bots, and the sad thing is genuine players are being punished as a result of a poor design decison. I have reported a few obvious bots and can still see them in the game to this very day, the bots are still farming DE’s and the economy is pretty much kittened up. Your DR system has little to no effect to the bots.

Guild Wars 2 might really change the mmo-market, it is the only one (that I know off) on the market with a punishing diminishing rewards system that severly limits what a player can and cannot do. If I want to farm, why cant I? I remember them trowing the statement around that we could play the game however we wanted.

And the saddest part of it all? The ninja add of this ‘incredible’ feature. Where was it in the BWE when people were testing whether they wanted to buy the game or not? Downleveling is not an effective enough system for higher leveled players to even consider when grinding for money.

The OP sums it up nicely towards individuals that think DR is the way to go:
If I leave, who will you buy materials/items from?
If I leave, who will you sell materials/items to?
If I leave, who will you stumble upon and do an event?
If I leave, who will join your guild so that it expands?
If I leave, who will you play with on WvW?
If I leave, who will play against on Wvw?
Replace I with the playerbase that is unhappy and you get the picture. Either you like it or not, in order to play an MMO, you need to have a big playerbase.

Every single F2P game I have joined had community members that spouted the ‘if you dont like the game move on’ bullcrap, and each game slowly died with this mentality. But the main question is: Are arenanet trying to keep its customers by limiting the ways they can earn money? Is this system really the way to combat bots going forward?

But the main question is, why Anet? Why are you punishing us for playing the game the way we want to? Why are you punishing us because you cant combat the bot problem?

So you supposedly are an adult, a father of three, and still can’t grasp the concept that anet has put some anti bot measures in the game and that these might need tweaking over time? Are you sure you aren’t 16 years old? Because only a kid would kitten like this in a thread A MONTH AFTER THE GAME CAME OUT. Instead of farming like a bot, do like the other people do: go round having fun and stop farming the same mobs over and over

And stop telling people lies about your personal life, for one they contrast direly with what you write, not mentioning no one cares or give any weight to it nor cares. Anet has given various answers to this ‘issue’, but still you can see these ridiculous threads all over the forum

Gauradan.8361:

Here’s a REAL fact: out of the 17 people in my small guild, there are 4 or 5 that are still logging in, even on weekend days and most of them aren’t even representing the guild anymore.

My guild of 121 has only 12 people logged in. For an oceanic guild on a saturday night … I dont see how people can say players not posting on the forums are happy with the game.

While the game is most likely not dieing yet … players HAVE moved on and it may be much more significant than many people realise.

You accused me of being something I am not and I will correct someone calling me a kid who is (probably) younger than me.

In nearly every online and real life experience I can think of, I’ve only ever been called kid by another real child or teen. They’re the only group of people who think that’s a normal thing to do, yet can’t see the abject stupidity in it.

It’s really crass and makes you look idiotic. Do it outside your front door with other people and see how well they take to it.

Listen I could tell you I have the right to criticize, but it’s going to be worthless isn’t it? You’re so sadly blinded.

All implementations they have put in are not working. They’re detrimental to the game and the evidence is pouring in and is numerous in content. Bots are increasing, real players are decreasing. The economy is screwed and DEs are bugged, imbalanced and unrewarding.

This is all after a month. That really is the amazing part. You even highlighted this for me in your own post. Thanks for that.

Anyway, you’re part troll I can see that now, I’ll leave you alone in future. Thanks for the heads up. I could have ended up wasting a lot of time on this and you, but I’ll save myself some dignity and self-worth and avoid you like the plague.

I am 33, I do work from home, it is relevant as if you insist on calling me a kid then I’m going to prove you otherwise and tell you to stop being a rude idiot for doing so. If you’re not going to listen, like you aren’t and as I expected then you’re a waste of my time and everybody else’s.

Carry on being blinkered, but your voice is clearly the one in the minority.

muthax.4720:

So now that this festering pool of nonsense and whine has turned into a “no, I am right, you are wrong” and “wow is teh best”, I suppose it can be closed or moved to a offtopic subforum… sen the level of ‘dialog’ the wowtards are capable of

I both loathed playing WoW and uninstalled it after a day, and I agree with them fully. Come on, man.

You got to love fan boys who defend horrid game mechanics to the end. Yet they are the first to scream “Please do something to bring the player base back”! Trust me on this once the damage has been done and a player quits 99% of the time they are not coming back!

MMO’s shouldn’t be about 1 play type they are meant to be played by the way a player see’s fit. And to the people saying that only a few people are complaining about DR. That’s because others flat out quit with out saying a word.

Have you looked at the 1 to 70 zones on your server? Mine are pretty barren which means players are not having enough fun to make alts and game sales have slowed!

You got to love fan boys who defend horrid game mechanics to the end. Yet they are the first to scream “Please do something to bring the player base back”! Trust me on this once the damage has been done and a player quits 99% of the time they are not coming back!

MMO’s shouldn’t be about 1 play type they are meant to be played by the way a player see’s fit. And to the people saying that only a few people are complaining about DR. That’s because others flat out quit with out saying a word.

Have you looked at the 1 to 70 zones on your server? Mine are pretty barren which means players are not having enough fun to make alts and game sales have slowed!

This ^

Its starting to smell like SWTOR in here. ANET is gonna have to get down off that high horse and get busy working these issues out.

“Trust me on this once the damage has been done and a player quits 99% of the time they are not coming back!”

Oh I don’t know, WoW’s chock full of resolute quitters, I’ve met plenty of them.

Seriously though, why does it matter to you that people out there don’t agree with your sentiment that the mechanic is horrible? I’ve always been curious about that, it’s a very odd way of looking at things. So they don’t care about it as much as you do. Why pull out that old, tattered, terribly tired pejorative “fan boy”?

Oh yeah, tribalism.

@ lagrangeify When those people resort to insults and pulling baseless facts and statistics from their arses in order to prove their points, then they’re simply defending the game for the sake of defending it, which in turn makes them exactly what the word describes, which is fanboys.

Apos.5184:

b) Give us buyable features that are actually widely requested,like
1) Character re-customization
2) Male/Female change
3) Do a survey on your forums what else people want. This is what you have them for, to get feedback.

Excluding the wall of text that I choose not to read.

It is kind of odd they don’t sell Re-customization options. Most the gem shop feels useless, but that would be kinda neat.

As for surveys – Don’t -. Everquest did something like that and it only blew up in the devs face. Most people would look at the survey and think “Hey if X wins that means the devs will HAVE to do and it will HAVE to be ready next patch!”

That is exactly what happened in EQ1.

lagrangeify.5641:

“Trust me on this once the damage has been done and a player quits 99% of the time they are not coming back!”

Oh I don’t know, WoW’s chock full of resolute quitters, I’ve met plenty of them.

Seriously though, why does it matter to you that people out there don’t agree with your sentiment that the mechanic is horrible? I’ve always been curious about that, it’s a very odd way of looking at things. So they don’t care about it as much as you do. Why pull out that old, tattered, terribly tired pejorative “fan boy”?

Oh yeah, tribalism.

Your question goes both ways: Why do you defend a mechanism that doesn’t affect you in any way?

If you enjoy doing various things and the diminishing returns do not affect you, then what is your problem against someone who actually wants to do that? And why do you have to go as far as assuming they are wow fanboys as well and calling them “wowtards”?

Oh yea, elitism…

We don’t dictate your play, why do you feel the urge of dictating ours?

WOW is a beast of another nature at one point they had 15 million players and they were under 8 million not too long ago, I am sure some came back for pandas but they will leave again in a few months.

If you haven’t noticed the newbee areas in this game are becoming barren which means two things. (A) The high level players are not having enough fun to make alts. (B) Game sales have slowed!

I love this game its the best game that I have played in a long time. Having said that Anet should not dictate how players should play a game. Games are meant to be played any way a player see’s fit. The way they are handling things right now is killing off the player base and I don’t want to see this game die.

Doing a survey wouldn’t be bad if you list things that you are actually able of doing.

Like giving options pretty much, it’s simple, something like:

“Ok, we plan on working on these 3 things in the future and have them implemented sooner or later. We want the playerbase to vote which one they find most important so that we put our focus on that first.”

Sounds simple enough.