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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

So far Arenanet has released 2 incomplete armor sets (Hellfire & Radiant) and 3 complete ones (Ascended ones) that weren’t sold on the gem store. By comparison, the gem-store only ones are 18 (all of them complete).

What are your thoughts on the matter? Personally, I think this balance is unacceptable. I understand they have to pay the bills, but aren’t there other possibilities for them to make money while doing less “harm” to the game?

Source: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_armor_sets
P.s. please keep this respectful as mods are very eager to remove these kind of threads
Edit: sorry if my OP is kind of lackluster, I was posting in another similar thread but it got removed

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Posted by: Vol.7601

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There is enough armor variety in game that doesn’t involve the gemstore. I don’t have any problem with them releasing armor skins from the gem store, especially since they are not P2W and purely aesthestics.

For a game that is funded largely through the gem store, they need to take a stand at what they can or can’t monetize, and I think monetizing weapons/armors is the big cash flow category for Anet.

Dropping that entirely would mean lost potential sales.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

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They’re just skins that are sold on the gem store.

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Posted by: tolunart.2095

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A while back players were complaining that there wasn’t enough armor/weapon skins in the gem store. “We want to spend gems! Give us something to buy!” People were upset that the only armor skins were the boring one-per-weight-class skins like the Krytan armor and such. So Anet put their artists to work designing armor skins for the gem shop.

So people can complain they need to get gems to buy armor skins.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

Your looking at this wrong think more on the lines of using gold to buy gems to buy thing off the gem store. In effect every thing on the gem store is worth gold and for the most part the gem store skins work out to be cheaper then tp skins. Best example was the blue armor set that just came out its about 80G for 800 gems for a full set with build in transmute ability. Look at other sets say the T3 culture armor it comes out to 120G for a full set with out the ability to transmute. You can say the same for weapons.

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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

@Vol:
Oh but I’m not suggesting for them to drop skins entirely, just to bring the balance a little closer! Not to mention they have monetized a plethora of other things in the gem-store…or if all else fails, they could resort to the true and tested expansion model (wink wink nudge nudge).

@Jski:
I realize that the gold to gem conversion is very significant to this whole deal, but I feel like it makes for a boring skin-obtaining experience, or punishes those that prefer unprofitable activities (I was big on WvW for example).

Thanks for your input whether you agree with me or not

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

@Vol:
Oh but I’m not suggesting for them to drop skins entirely, just to bring the balance a little closer! Not to mention they have monetized a plethora of other things in the gem-store…or if all else fails, they could resort to the true and tested expansion model (wink wink nudge nudge).

Thanks for your input whether you agree with me or not

Gem store skins are skins you can buy from npc much like dungeon skins but in this case you can buy the dungeon tokens with gold or real life money if you want. Most ppl would love that you could buy dungeon tokens with in game gold.

@Jski:
I realize that the gold to gem conversion is very significant to this whole deal, but I feel like it makes for a boring skin-obtaining experience, or punishes those that prefer unprofitable activities (I was big on WvW for example).

This is going to look weird and is a very weird way to have a talk about this on a forum setting.

The the thing the armor and wepon skins are cheaper then most skin in game have you looked at precise on the TP for the top end skins for weapons or the precise for the high end npc skins? Its a deal to buy them off the TP because ppl cant fip there precise to push the cost up for ppl who want the skins.

The wvw skins are cheep and are most of the blue to green level there are rare weapons skins in there too. I do not think many ppl would be happy if wvw got all the dungeon or T1 – T3 race armor. It would simply make wvw too important in a way you cant give any one event every thing other then say spvp but that may be changed soon i am not sure how they are going to rework the skins there.

The ability to buy gems with gold is big and it shows Anet true intent they are giving every one the ability to buy things even if you did not have the money. This is how b2p or f2p or even DLC should be. Give the player the ability to use in game money to buy things that other can buy with real life money. Not the “you can only buy this with real life money in game players cant have this” type of view. Anet is being very non greedy its kind of dumb in-fact from a profit stand point but its a very nice way of running a game.

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Posted by: cainejw.7142

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A while back players were complaining that there wasn’t enough armor/weapon skins in the gem store. “We want to spend gems! Give us something to buy!” People were upset that the only armor skins were the boring one-per-weight-class skins like the Krytan armor and such. So Anet put their artists to work designing armor skins for the gem shop.

So people can complain they need to get gems to buy armor skins.

Why is it that these are the only options? You can either have nothing to buy or you must buy nearly all from a source. You can’t have both for some reason…

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Posted by: SkylightMoon.1980

SkylightMoon.1980

They are going extremely overboard on gemstore skins(armor/weapons). I dont honestly mind them do it, as long as they balance it out in game. They need to make an in game skin or full armor set that is new(not like the craftable ones) that you can get in a cool way. Perhaps through the living story. Doing a series of tasks, even achievements, to perahps craft or unlock one of the armor sets or even a piece of it, feels so amazingly rewarding. Anets alternative to this is okay rather pay real money which is one of the most unrewarding things you can do. Or grind an absolute ton of gold(hundreds) and trade them in for keys to get chests to hope for tickets. Anet does too much of this. They need a better balance of the items you can unlock through doing actual content in game compared to just paying real money.

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Posted by: Thorn.7963

Thorn.7963

I feel like I’m playing a cheap F2P game made by Cryptic.

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Posted by: CountzuCrytus.7256

CountzuCrytus.7256

I think people forget that you can change gold to gems. If you don’t want to spend real cash on it you don’t have to, just farm up the gold. It’s like buying an expensive armor skin, it doesn’t matter if you buy it from the gem store or from an NPC, you get the same result.

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Posted by: Nury.3062

Nury.3062

Complaining about a skin that has no effect on gameplay,stats etc.
I wish the release more and more skins so we can support this game.

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Posted by: ozmaniandevil.6805

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I personally don’t mind at all if Anet releases more skins in the gemstore than in the game itself, because I make a good income and can afford to buy gems with cash. In fact, I wish they would come out with A LOT MORE skins in the gem store (better ones, too, no reskins, ty). However, for the interests of the people who play this game because it’s free to play after purchase, I think that Anet should also introduce more ways to get cool new armor in game. Why not best of both worlds, Anet???

I would still buy any skin I really like from the gemstore, regardless of any new armors added in game. I can’t be alone.

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Posted by: Zavve.8205

Zavve.8205

No problem at all. They are cosmetic. I end up easily buying them all since I love having easy access to such great armor skins

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Posted by: Judge Banks.9018

Judge Banks.9018

I am laughing to the tune of reggae. This is hilarious.

Inb4 every recycled armor and weapon from GW1 becomes available through the nexon store.

I’m pretty sure there will be a point in which the amount of content added to the gemstore will outweigh the amount of content available for SPvP in raw data.

As far as the skins go, the Great Sword doesn’t seem like it fits. However that hammer although different from the Tormented Maul of GW1, does well. It looks better than the original, got rid of all the unnecessary parts.

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Posted by: Apolyon.6937

Apolyon.6937

My opinion is that they are too expensive for a one use item. If they could be used unlimited times, for the same price, I would have bought all of them.

I also miss new items in-game. Specially an update to the token system.

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Posted by: OneManArmy.9732

OneManArmy.9732

if it would be easy to admit it, you can think you are buying skins for 80 gold. if you think this way your complain makes no sense

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Posted by: Otokomae.9356

Otokomae.9356

if it would be easy to admit it, you can think you are buying skins for 80 gold. if you think this way your complain makes no sense

^This^

The Gem Store is GW2’s Endgame. A long time ago we thought it was WvW, but I’m not even sure if WvW is still going or not, tbh. I think they just ditched WvW recently for a new map where nothing you do counts for anything, and it’s far more casual than the old WvW maps, but you can still get most of your achievements done and get your map-farming in any day of the week!

So yeah, Gem Store = Endgame. I wouldn’t expect an expansion anytime soon, though I won’t be surprised to see Dervish as a playable class or Tengu as a playable available through the Gem Store only sometime in the near future, probably only available through some RNG process involving the Black Lion chests.

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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

Please Otokomae, I sympathyze with you but let’s try and have a somewhat meaningful thread :p

@Jski and all others:
I may have not been clear enough. I personally have had no troubles buying the skins either with cash or gold back when I wanted to support the game. They’re somewhat expensive, especially the BLC ones, but all cash shops are expensive considered you are buying pixels.

I think all of you agree with me when I say that getting an item you long for by randomly farming gold or outright whipping out the credit card, while convenient, is boring in the long run. So there’s no doubt that some more skins in-game would make the game more fun for many players. I’m thinking things like a weapon skin of choice as a reward for those that participated in S1 of WvW, or heck, an armor set for Fractals!

I understand the need for Arenanet to get their money, but this way it feels to me as if devs are purposefully making their game less fun (at least for me) for short-term monetary gain. This is one of the main reasons I’ve became a big supporter of GW1 expansion model, where they got their money and I got my game without any part of it cut-out.

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Posted by: tolunart.2095

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Why is it that these are the only options? You can either have nothing to buy or you must buy nearly all from a source. You can’t have both for some reason…

Anet is not a nonprofit corporation. They have limited resources, if it takes them six months to design three sets of armor, is it more desirable to make a few bucks off the work and reinvest it to continue developing content, or give it away for free?

They already introduced two free sets of armor via rewards chests that you get just for playing the game. And with it you also get bonus gold and gems, in one rewards chest I got enough gold and gems to pay for most of a set of armor by itself. If you really want a set of armor from the gem shop it’s not that hard to save up for it.

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Posted by: pamelakd.3107

pamelakd.3107

Your looking at this wrong think more on the lines of using gold to buy gems to buy thing off the gem store. In effect every thing on the gem store is worth gold and for the most part the gem store skins work out to be cheaper then tp skins. Best example was the blue armor set that just came out its about 80G for 800 gems for a full set with build in transmute ability. Look at other sets say the T3 culture armor it comes out to 120G for a full set with out the ability to transmute. You can say the same for weapons.

I think the problem with this is the fact that they are in the gem store for a limited time. To get T3 cultural armour you can save and get it when you have the money together. It’s something to strive toward. Exchanging gold for gems to get something from the gem store requires you to have the funds ready at that particular moment as the skins aren’t permanent.

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Posted by: Flytrap.8075

Flytrap.8075

I wouldn’t mind Gem Store skins if ANet actually implemented some new armor / weapon skins that you can earn through playing the game itself.

I mean, they have said repeatedly that “cosmetics” are a major part of the end-game, but I can’t help but feel that this area has been severely neglected when you ignore Gem Store updates.

How many full armor sets has ANet introduced since the release of this game? Weapons? How about other random cosmetic items? Aside from Ascended crafting and meta achievements in the Living Story updates, they haven’t done very much.

I’m still shocked at the massive disparity between PvE skins (Fractals, dungeons, etc.) and those earned in WvW or sPvP. I’m crossing my fingers that this will be addressed in the next feature update, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

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Posted by: Electro.4173

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I’m perfectly fine with Gem Store skins as long as there’s a balance between new gem store skins getting added and new items being added to other parts of the game.

The problem, as you said yourself TC, is that there isn’t. There are far, far more items getting added via the Gem Store compared to those being added through other means to the game itself. Especially in terms of armor. The armor that does get added to the game is usually piecemeal and usually not even visually distinct between weight classes, where the Gem Store gets somewhat regular additions of full armor sets with distinct looks. And it gets some of the piecemeal additions as well.

I don’t even mind if the Gem Store has more new weapons and armor, as long as its close. But its not even that, Gem Store gear vastly outnumbers the stuff being added into the game outside of the Store.

Some people argue that the main game launched with lots of armor and weapons already and all the Gem Store additions are just “catching up” since the Gem Store had basically nothing at launch. I can see where that argument is coming from to an extent, but I don’t agree with it. I think the game should expand at roughly the same rate in all aspects regardless of how it started. The new Gem Store content and the new non-GS content needs to stay somewhat even.

That said, its possible they’re saving all their in-game additions for something like a mini-expansion or even a full expansion, while trickling out the gem store stuff for continued revenue. Hard to say for sure.

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Posted by: Zabrios.6079

Zabrios.6079

They already introduced two free sets of armor via rewards chests that you get just for playing the game.

Can you tell me which two free sets of armor are those you speak of? Because if you are refering to both radiant and hellfire those ARE NOT FULL SETS. So please, don’t lie.

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Posted by: Magnus Steelgrave.6580

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They already introduced two free sets of armor via rewards chests that you get just for playing the game.

Can you tell me which two free sets of armor are those you speak of? Because if you are refering to both radiant and hellfire those ARE NOT FULL SETS. So please, don’t lie.

They are full sets you just don’t start the other 3 pieces til 21k achieves… But in any case they really should at least try to balance it a bit… Like 1/3 new roll outs can be obtained in game by some other means than the gemstore or tp.

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

I have two problems with gemstore skins.

The first is that is the most boring way imaginable to obtain skins. I would enjoy the ability to craft new skins.

The second is that these are one and done skins. If these were storable like the achievement skins, I would be more interested.