Guild Wars 2

Ok, just to get this out of the way- I’m pleased we have a gemstore update this week, but a little disappointed in the content of it.

I had a quick mouse-over these items, and got a nasty knot in my stomach. They’re obviously aimed at new players, which is all well and good, but I think the contents are somewhat deceptive and not necessarily the best things to gain a new player’s trust with.

Here are the breakdowns:

The cheapest, the Account Bump, worth 800 gems (“usually 1970 gems”) contains:
-5 Black Lion Chest Keys (worth 450 gems usually)
-10 Experience Boosters (worth 900 gems usually)
-15 Transmutation Charges (worth 420 gems usually)
-20 Account-Bound Unidentified Dyes (costing about 16.5g if buying the regular ones at their inflated price- I will edit in the gem-store version’s cost when we know more about it).

If buying these items separately, you’d pay 1,770 gems, + 16.5g (current market equates 16.5g to 80 gems), so a total of 1,850 gems.

So… then we move on to the Account Jump Start, worth 2,000 gems (“usually 3,620 gems”):
- 2 Bank Tab Expansions (worth 2×600 gems usually)
- 2 Bag Slot Expansions (worth 2×400 gems usually)
- 10 Black Lion Keys (worth 900 gems usually)
- 15 Transmutation Charges (worth 420 gems usually)
- 30 Account-bound Unidentified Dyes (costing about 25g if buying the regular ones at their inflated price- I will edit in the gem-store version’s cost when we know more about it).

If buying these items separately, you’d pay 2,900 gems 3,320 gems , + 25g (current market equates 25g to 130 gems), so a total of 3,030 gems 3,450 gems.

That’s my first issue, after purchasing the discounted version, you’d actually be paying more for the pack than you would buying the items separately. You’d be paying 120 more gems for the smaller pack and 170 more for the larger.

The Experience Boosters get a big seal of approval from me- absolutely these are handy for a new player (especially one that wants to level somewhat fast to get to the new level 80 HoT content).

On the other hand, the other items in my opinion are terrible choices- most people know that transmutation charges are easy to get and mostly aren’t worth purchasing from the gemstore. 5 BL keys are unlikely to net you much- new players will fall into this trap expecting great things and receiving very little. But conversely, at least the boosters, transmutation charges and other items (that most veterans will turn their noses up at) are going to be more useful for a new player.

And of course, the same could be applied to the dyes, where veterans also know that it’s far cheaper to buy the dye you want directly from the TP than gamble on unidentified dyes.

The bank expander is a great choice in such a pack- I bought a few myself quite early on in the game as I found the initial measly 30 slots far too few for my hoarding habits. Most people I know that play regularly have bought a few, and it’s certainly something that is hard to regret.

However, pitching a soulbound bag expander to a new player is a terrible idea, for the reason that a new player is unlikely to stick to/main the first character they’ve made. I honestly think it would’ve been a better option to sell 4, 20-slot account-bound bags in place of such a thing; a new player is unlikely to purchase them when starting out as they are expensive items, but these useful items can be transferred to a different character if the player wants to.

Tl;dr
-The titles of these item packs make it seem like it is designed to appeal to new players, but generally aren’t very beneficial to them. The idea of the packs are great, but I was hoping for something that was more supportive to these players.
-The non-discounted price of the packs turn out to be more expensive than if players were to purchase the items individually. It will be even more of a kick-in-the-teeth if A-net later releases discounts for bank tabs etc.
-What are your opinions?

PS: This post might be edited so that it reads better/has a nice looking format.

EDIT: Reformatted and corrected a calculation error- feel free to yell at me if you see any more!

EDIT 2: Realised I failed at maths- going to edit in the correct values- previous and incorrect values are now crossed out and the correct ones are written in.

I find them beneficial to new players.

I agree that the bag slot expansions seem questionable, given that they’re character-bound and most new players will reroll at least several times. Of course, you could also fix that by making them account-wide as they should have been all along…

Amante.8109:

I agree that the bag slot expansions seem questionable, given that they’re character-bound and most new players will reroll at least several times. Of course, you could also fix that by making them account-wide as they should have been all along…

The bag slots should come as an account bound consumable.

Bag slots are my biggest purchase regret since launch.

Came for the Wedding Dress

Left with 0 gems spent. Cya next Tuesday I guess.

Ayrilana.1396:

I find them beneficial to new players.

How so?

Don’t you think they could’ve included items that had further advantages for newbies?
E.g.
-Rather than a set of transmutation charges, a “ticket” to purchase 1 outfit?
-Along with the Experience boosters, additional useful boosters for lowbies such as Speed Boosts, World v World Experience Boosters, or now the standard “Heroic Booster”.
-A choice of a permanent gathering tool (which could even incentivise the further purchase of other permanent tools to have a complete set)
-Copper-fed Salvage-o-matic
-A selection of food/nourishment and a few bags with a reasonable number of slots

Of course, these types of items could make it less favourable for veteran players who might already have most of these things and have little need for any further.

What I’m thinking is that this is aimed at not only new players but players who have ordered Ultimate HoT edition. The one that comes with 4000 gems. I wouldn’t say its a coincident that they release these right before anniversary sales, or maybe it is just me. Get people to spend part of the 4000 gems, then the anniversary sales start and people start buying more gems.

If not the above, then I suppose it is actually aimed towards new players but there could be better. Black Lion Keys as fun as they are to open, it would be more beneficial if they got something that’ll last. Perhaps a Copper-Fed Salvage-o-matic, and throw in a 2 week golem banker as well. or one that lasts a month or something along those lines.

EDIT: Or maybe the sales started today, haven’t thought of that. Just a weird way to start.

Im seriously thinking to buy “Jump Start” and im old player. Maybe it means jump start for new toon.

Mizu.4508:

What I’m thinking is that this is aimed at not only new players but players who have ordered Ultimate HoT edition. The one that comes with 4000 gems. I wouldn’t say its a coincident that they release these right before anniversary sales, or maybe it is just me. Get people to spend part of the 4000 gems, then the anniversary sales start and people start buying more gems.

If not the above, then I suppose it is actually aimed towards new players but there could be better. Black Lion Keys as fun as they are to open, it would be more beneficial if they got something that’ll last. Perhaps a Copper-Fed Salvage-o-matic, and throw in a 2 week golem banker as well. or one that lasts a month or something along those lines.

I absolutely agree, Mizu- the contents is aimed at a general audience, but is masquerading as something that is beneficial and very worthwhile to new players. I mean, from the perspective of a newbie, “Why would they sell a starter pack if the contents aren’t hugely beneficial?” :P

My main concern is that new or uninformed players will purchase this and regret it, and then may even avoid purchasing things in the future.

The 4,000 gem ultimate edition and timing regarding the anniversary had also crossed my mind.

However, I feel that they could’ve also targeted both markets much better by offering things that are very useful to have from the start, but would be enticing for older/returning players to pick up for cheap.

Of course, I feel like I’d have less of a problem with the whole idea if the non-discounted price wasn’t more expensive than it should be.

Blade.8497:

Im seriously thinking to buy “Jump Start” and im old player. Maybe it means jump start for new toon.

I am a 3 year veteran tightwad and I have not purchased a single bank or bag slot, only character slots. So it really could appeal to anyone!

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Ayrilana.1396:

I find them beneficial to new players.

How so?

Don’t you think they could’ve included items that had further advantages for newbies?
E.g.
-Rather than a set of transmutation charges, a “ticket” to purchase 1 outfit?
-Along with the Experience boosters, additional useful boosters for lowbies such as Speed Boosts, World v World Experience Boosters, or now the standard “Heroic Booster”.
-A choice of a permanent gathering tool (which could even incentivise the further purchase of other permanent tools to have a complete set)
-Copper-fed Salvage-o-matic
-A selection of food/nourishment and a few bags with a reasonable number of slots

Of course, these types of items could make it less favourable for veteran players who might already have most of these things and have little need for any further.

It’s a starter kit… Not a kit to get everything you’d ever need at a discounted price…

If I hadn’t long ago maxed out my bank slots I’d be a little bit tempted. Well also I have every dye I could possibly get from an Unidentified Dye. Maybe if I had a second account? Meh, I want to spend my gems on butterfly wings and wedding dresses.

Thanks for posting this, OP, I was just coming in to make a thread but you did all the hard work of the price comparisons. Here’s a picture of the items, if that helps.

The “discounted” price is a well rounded number (800 and 2000), which is probably why they chose to use those selling prices for those packages. It also shows that they don’t know the value of unidentified dyes because they definitely aren’t gem price level.

Either way, I know I won’t purchase it because I’m hoping there will be better things in a couple of days.

It still doesn’t make any sense to me as to why they account bound those dyes. Sure the value of unidentified dyes would have dropped but unidentified dyes are priced ridiculously at the moment (around 80s) which in my opinion is overpriced. What if you get duplicates? You’ll have to flush them. At the very least, it should have been something like “pick 7 common, 2 uncommon and 1 rare” or something like that.

The most simple thing to do would be – just remove them from the package and add something else more useful.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Mizu.4508:

What I’m thinking is that this is aimed at not only new players but players who have ordered Ultimate HoT edition. The one that comes with 4000 gems. I wouldn’t say its a coincident that they release these right before anniversary sales, or maybe it is just me. Get people to spend part of the 4000 gems, then the anniversary sales start and people start buying more gems.

If not the above, then I suppose it is actually aimed towards new players but there could be better. Black Lion Keys as fun as they are to open, it would be more beneficial if they got something that’ll last. Perhaps a Copper-Fed Salvage-o-matic, and throw in a 2 week golem banker as well. or one that lasts a month or something along those lines.

I absolutely agree, Mizu- the contents is aimed at a general audience, but is masquerading as something that is beneficial and very worthwhile to new players. I mean, from the perspective of a newbie, “Why would they sell a starter pack if the contents aren’t hugely beneficial?” :P

My main concern is that new or uninformed players will purchase this and regret it, and then may even avoid purchasing things in the future.

The 4,000 gem ultimate edition and timing regarding the anniversary had also crossed my mind.

However, I feel that they could’ve also targeted both markets much better by offering things that are very useful to have from the start, but would be enticing for older/returning players to pick up for cheap.

Of course, I feel like I’d have less of a problem with the whole idea if the non-discounted price wasn’t more expensive than it should be.

It is a good deal. The bump gets you 10 XP boosters for 100 gems cheaper than you would have paid for them. Everything else is a bonus on top of that. The jump start gives you bag/bank slots at the price you would have paid separately but you also get all of those other items on top of it.

Blade.8497:

Im seriously thinking to buy “Jump Start” and im old player. Maybe it means jump start for new toon.

I read your comment and really want to be able to see it from this perspective.

However, the item is called “Account Jump Start”- it’s suggesting that it will hugely benefit an account with little on it, to get it up to speed with other players. At least, that’s how I would perceive it.

Ayrilana.1396:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Ayrilana.1396:

I find them beneficial to new players.

How so?

Don’t you think they could’ve included items that had further advantages for newbies?
E.g.
-Rather than a set of transmutation charges, a “ticket” to purchase 1 outfit?
-Along with the Experience boosters, additional useful boosters for lowbies such as Speed Boosts, World v World Experience Boosters, or now the standard “Heroic Booster”.
-A choice of a permanent gathering tool (which could even incentivise the further purchase of other permanent tools to have a complete set)
-Copper-fed Salvage-o-matic
-A selection of food/nourishment and a few bags with a reasonable number of slots

Of course, these types of items could make it less favourable for veteran players who might already have most of these things and have little need for any further.

It’s a starter kit… Not a kit to get everything you’d ever need at a discounted price…

These were merely suggestions of things they could’ve included instead of the items that are either overpriced and that can be easily obtained already in-game (dyes and transmutation charges) or are an absolute gamble and will most likely have very little benefit (the keys). I never said that they should include everything I listed.

And hey, the food/nourishment/bag idea isn’t costly for them in terms of gem-sales, it’s just something that is thoughtful for new players who may not realise the benefit and importance of food, and that it can increase the amount of experience they get as they kill stuff (which means these new guys can level faster).

Mizu.4508:

The “discounted” price is a well rounded number (800 and 2000), which is probably why they chose to use those selling prices for those packages. It also shows that they don’t know the value of unidentified dyes because they definitely aren’t gem price level.

Either way, I know I won’t purchase it because I’m hoping there will be better things in a couple of days.

It still doesn’t make any sense to me as to why they account bound those dyes. Sure the value of unidentified dyes would have dropped but unidentified dyes are priced ridiculously at the moment (around 80s) which in my opinion is overpriced. What if you get duplicates? You’ll have to flush them. At the very least, it should have been something like “pick 7 common, 2 uncommon and 1 rare” or something like that.

The most simple thing to do would be – just remove them from the package and add something else more useful.

Unless they would plan on changing the price from time to time, they can’t base the price on the trading post value so they would have to use the gem store version and I’m pretty sure they sell unidentified dye in the gem store. I’d check, but I’m at work.

The bag expansions ARE account bound not soul bound OP. Only soul bound if you use them ofc. These two packages are a great deal for newer accounts and can be for some older ones. Got several ticket scraps, some new minis from the keys and more boosters.

If you back figure the costs then the 20 account bound unidentified dyes are worth 10 gems each which is at the moment roughly 2g each if you were buying 200 or 300 gems.

The XP boosters, if you were a new player this might be attractive, pays for the Account Bump kit. This makes the keys and trans charges free not to mention the dyes. As a vet not as attractive since many dyes will likely be dups and are only then good for MF fodder.

I agree about the 2nd kit simply because of the bag slots. Terrible investment IMO, unless they are adding an option to move those slots between characters. Still, 1100 gems (100 gems for 10 more dyes) for 2 bank slots is a small discount even if you hate bag expansions.

Question I have is are they removing the 5 Laurel non account bound unidentified dye or the MF conversion?

These packs are very good for anyone out there that:

A) is a Toon-aholic
B) hasn’t maxed out yet the Bank Tabs
C) is a new Player and hasn’t yet many Transmutation Charges to get with it instantly a small load, that allows it a new player to have enough Charges for multiple Characters
D) is a new player, that hasn’t unlocked alot of dyes yet
E) is a player, who has still Characters that have not reached their maximum amount of Bag Slots, and Bag Slots are naturally usefull for Farming Characters to be able to farm more stuff, before you have to run to a vendor to sell stuff to get free inventory space again
F) is a person that still has some Black Lion Chests ready to be opened but has no Keys anymore currently and in general is a person, who likes gambling, because with both, 50 dyes and the say maximum 15 keys you have a great chance to receive also something awesome out of these things that could bring you in alot of gold, like Black Lion Tickets/Scraps that you can turn to Tickets if you have already enough to buy with them Weapon Skins you can sell for alot of Gold and if you have luck with the dyes, you can make with them also a good amount of gold
G) If you buy both, you spare stil some gems…. 800 gems, instead of 1970 is 1170 gems spared…if you buy the other pack, that costs like 600 gems more, than when you would buy everythign single, and compare that.. 1170 Gems spared minus 600 gems payed more, its still 570 Gems spared under the line !!
So anyone who can benefit the most from these packs would be DUMB AS HAY, if you wouldn’t take the chance to buy these packs now, when among of these packs are alot of thigns, that you’d likely buy sooner or later anyways, like the Bag/Chest Upgrades, which alone are usually already 2k Gems worth normally

Bandit.8279:

The bag expansions ARE account bound not soul bound OP. Only soul bound if you use them ofc. These two packages are a great deal for newer accounts and can be for some older ones. Got several ticket scraps, some new minis from the keys and more boosters.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag_Slot_Expansion

“This is not account wide, each character must get their own expansion slots.”

Yes, of course I know that when you get the consumable you can pass it around any character you want and use it there.

But the item doesn’t mean anything until it’s used. But, as soon as you use it, only the character you use it on will have the benefits. That’s precisely my point.

Bandit.8279:

The bag expansions ARE account bound not soul bound OP. Only soul bound if you use them ofc. These two packages are a great deal for newer accounts and can be for some older ones. Got several ticket scraps, some new minis from the keys and more boosters.

That they’re soulbound after use is precisely the problem. General arguments against this ‘design choice’ aside, they’re a poor choice for a package aimed at new players.
Most new players will be too new to appreciate that bag slot expansions only affect one character… a character they may not even stick with, as trying out various classes (or even rerolling the same one) is rather common when new.

At least these two packages are better than the “Black Lion Introductory Package”. What a joke that thing was!

Thinking about the jump start, because I could use more bank tabs, and the bag slots do have some use…but if those two bag slots had been replaced with an extra character slot, this would be a complete no-brainer.

The bag slot expansions are fine to be included in the package. They come as an account bound consumable that can then be applied towards a single character’s existing bag slot total. The fact that they can be applied towards a single character is not unknown and I believe the tooltip even states so.

I see people complaining that it’s not a great item because it can only be applied to one character. How’s this any different from other consumables that are soulbound such as boosters? Are those a bad deal then too? The player benefits from having that character containing more bag slots. If they change to another character then that their choice. It doesn’t diminish the existing value of the bag slots.

Ayrilana.1396:

The bag slot expansions are fine to be included in the package. They come as an account bound consumable that can then be applied towards a single character’s existing bag slot total. The fact that they can be applied towards a single character is not unknown and I believe the tooltip even states so.

I see people complaining that it’s not a great item because it can only be applied to one character. How’s this any different from other consumables that are soulbound such as boosters? Are those a bad deal then too? The player benefits from having that character containing more bag slots. If they change to another character then that their choice. It doesn’t diminish the existing value of the bag slots.

The packages are aimed at new players primarily given the items included. New players are probably more likely to reroll and lose the bag slot than a veteran is.

Seera.5916:

Ayrilana.1396:

The bag slot expansions are fine to be included in the package. They come as an account bound consumable that can then be applied towards a single character’s existing bag slot total. The fact that they can be applied towards a single character is not unknown and I believe the tooltip even states so.

I see people complaining that it’s not a great item because it can only be applied to one character. How’s this any different from other consumables that are soulbound such as boosters? Are those a bad deal then too? The player benefits from having that character containing more bag slots. If they change to another character then that their choice. It doesn’t diminish the existing value of the bag slots.

The packages are aimed at new players primarily given the items included. New players are probably more likely to reroll and lose the bag slot than a veteran is.

How that any different from using boosters on a new character and then re-rolling?

Ayrilana.1396:

The bag slot expansions are fine to be included in the package. They come as an account bound consumable that can then be applied towards a single character’s existing bag slot total. The fact that they can be applied towards a single character is not unknown and I believe the tooltip even states so.

I see people complaining that it’s not a great item because it can only be applied to one character. How’s this any different from other consumables that are soulbound such as boosters? Are those a bad deal then too? The player benefits from having that character containing more bag slots. If they change to another character then that their choice. It doesn’t diminish the existing value of the bag slots.

I think the problem with it is that’s an expensive, permanent upgrade to one, single character. A booster is not a permanent fixture and they are also relatively cheap.

No, personally I wouldn’t expect A-net to change the item to unlock another bag slot on every current and future character. However, I would expect the item to be “withdrawable” or “refundable” so that if you wanted to, you could remove it and apply it to a different character. This means that players have more freedom to play what they want- something I’ve always thought that A-net placed highly.

Moreover, other expensive items can be used elsewhere- 20 slot bags, legendaries, ascended gear, infinite tools and salvage… it means that if you wanted to, you do have the possibility of swapping mains without losing out on anything you’ve spent a large amount of money on.

So that is one of the reasons why I jump to the conclusion that these items aren’t a great choice for new, indecisive players.

I never said it was bad value for money (at discount price) if you have a use for the most expensive items from the packs. It is bad value for money if a player jumps into buying it because they think it’s the most helpful thing they can get from the gemstore currently. It is also terrible value for money if you repurchase either one of them at full price.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Bandit.8279:

The bag expansions ARE account bound not soul bound OP. Only soul bound if you use them ofc. These two packages are a great deal for newer accounts and can be for some older ones. Got several ticket scraps, some new minis from the keys and more boosters.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag_Slot_Expansion

“This is not account wide, each character must get their own expansion slots.”

Yes, of course I know that when you get the consumable you can pass it around any character you want and use it there.

But the item doesn’t mean anything until it’s used. But, as soon as you use it, only the character you use it on will have the benefits. That’s precisely my point.

I don’t think you understood my point. We are both correct but about different things. My point was that once purchased you could pass it to any character and than like any consumable, once used, it becomes soul bound. The OP made it sound like it was soul bound once purchased which is incorrect.

Bag space is always precious and more = a more fluid and enjoyable playing experience imho.

Bandit.8279:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Bandit.8279:

The bag expansions ARE account bound not soul bound OP. Only soul bound if you use them ofc. These two packages are a great deal for newer accounts and can be for some older ones. Got several ticket scraps, some new minis from the keys and more boosters.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bag_Slot_Expansion

“This is not account wide, each character must get their own expansion slots.”

Yes, of course I know that when you get the consumable you can pass it around any character you want and use it there.

But the item doesn’t mean anything until it’s used. But, as soon as you use it, only the character you use it on will have the benefits. That’s precisely my point.

I don’t think you understood my point. We are both correct but about different things. My point was that once purchased you could pass it to any character and than like any consumable, once used, it becomes soul bound. The OP made it sound like it was soul bound once purchased which is incorrect.

Bag space is always precious and more = a more fluid and enjoyable playing experience imho.

I’m sorry that my post didn’t make the distinction obvious, but I thought that the fact was well known enough for the point to be fairly clear anyway.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Ayrilana.1396:

The bag slot expansions are fine to be included in the package. They come as an account bound consumable that can then be applied towards a single character’s existing bag slot total. The fact that they can be applied towards a single character is not unknown and I believe the tooltip even states so.

I see people complaining that it’s not a great item because it can only be applied to one character. How’s this any different from other consumables that are soulbound such as boosters? Are those a bad deal then too? The player benefits from having that character containing more bag slots. If they change to another character then that their choice. It doesn’t diminish the existing value of the bag slots.

I think the problem with it is that’s an expensive, permanent upgrade to one, single character. A booster is not a permanent fixture and they are also relatively cheap.

No, personally I wouldn’t expect A-net to change the item to unlock another bag slot on every current and future character. However, I would expect the item to be “withdrawable” or “refundable” so that if you wanted to, you could remove it and apply it to a different character. This means that players have more freedom to play what they want- something I’ve always thought that A-net placed highly.

Moreover, other expensive items can be used elsewhere- 20 slot bags, legendaries, ascended gear, infinite tools and salvage… it means that if you wanted to, you do have the possibility of swapping mains without losing out on anything you’ve spent a large amount of money on.

So that is one of the reasons why I jump to the conclusion that these items aren’t a great choice for new, indecisive players.

I never said it was bad value for money (at discount price) if you have a use for the most expensive items from the packs. It is bad value for money if a player jumps into buying it because they think it’s the most helpful thing they can get from the gemstore currently. It is also terrible value for money if you repurchase either one of them at full price.

Why would it matter if it’s permanent or not or that they’re relatively cheap. We’re speaking in the context of the packages so I was referring to the boosters that you would get. If you used them all in a single character and then re-rolled, your value was lost just as much as it would have be if you applied the bag slot expansions to that character.

Having the extra bag slots being able to be moved between characters defeats the purpose of them being soulbound (obviously) as well as account bound. If they were to go that route then they may as well just apply it towards every character on the account. The thing is that these extra slots are convenience items and not required at all.

This is likely something we won’t ever agree on. I see it as a good value for a player who is starting out. It helps them get started in the game, and unlike boosters, are permanent unless you delete the character. If they start a new character, the slot on the old character is still there and many people play multiple characters rather than just one.

Boosters last 2 hours. Bag slots are forever.

Behellagh.1468:

Boosters last 2 hours. Bag slots are forever.

But both lose their value (according to some people) when going to another character that they were not applied on as they’re not account bound. If you bought a bag slot for 600 gems and 600 gems worth of boosters, would they have the same value when all applied to a single character but then you then start a new one to act as your main?

Cost wise they are the same but the bag slot expansion has more value as it’s permanent. However people are saying the boosters are a good value for new players whereas the bag slot expansion are not based on the new player potentially changing their main at some point in the future.

Basically anything that can only be used my one character is a bad value for new players (and veterans if you want to go that far).

Seems like a good deal to me… If you don’t need the bag slots, save them for when you make an alt. Even if it is just an item storage alt it is still useful.

An extra character slot in place of the bag slots sounds like it’d be better. Or for that matter, some larger bags, like the Black Lion bag that comes with the old (and otherwise awful) “new player package”.

Additional bag slots aren’t really that necessary anyway. Larger account-bound bags like the BL one would be more genuinely helpful to a new player.

If they are going to increase the max number of Bank Tab, then I’ll be interested. Otherwise I will pass. Like OP said, this is mainly for new players, not veterans…as usual.

I have yet to receive the items. When I looked in the store it had taken 800 from my gem balance (and said account bump was purchased) but when I hover over it it says ‘The following items have not been included due to purchase limits. Price has been adjusted accordingly’ …. then lists everything in it. Okay, they sold out (how do you sell out of pixels) I guess but why did it take my 800 gems? Has this happened to anyone else?

Ah, I finally got the items. I do agree it was a bit of a let-down (I never use the boosters I already have) so the 800 gems instead would be better to get. I put in a ticket and hopefully I can return them (I left them in my mail to be sure).

Ehhh, the 800 gems one doesn’t seem worth it at all. 2000 gems one not really worth it unless you want both bag and bank slots and feel like gambling with the lion keys. Which I did as I only had 4 bank tabs, and got a few interesting things, though all and all I probaly would have been better off waiting for a discount on bank/bags. As bought, I pretty much paid full price on the extra storage and got the keys for free, or it can be perceived as getting them all 3 for a discount, though I normally would never buy keys. Dyes were kinda fun. I do have 8 of those stupid scraps though.

And yes, I actually will find the bag slots useful, as I split it between my ele and engineer and it feels a lot better as such.

All and all, I didn’t feel like waiting for a sale.

Ayrilana.1396:

Behellagh.1468:

Boosters last 2 hours. Bag slots are forever.

But both lose their value (according to some people) when going to another character that they were not applied on as they’re not account bound. If you bought a bag slot for 600 gems and 600 gems worth of boosters, would they have the same value when all applied to a single character but then you then start a new one to act as your main?

Cost wise they are the same but the bag slot expansion has more value as it’s permanent. However people are saying the boosters are a good value for new players whereas the bag slot expansion are not based on the new player potentially changing their main at some point in the future.

Basically anything that can only be used my one character is a bad value for new players (and veterans if you want to go that far).

I don’t think any of us are saying that it’s bad to have bag slots in the package. Just that if it’s apparently aimed at new players, then there are things we feel would have been better for new players than a bag slot. Such as a character slot. So that they could try out a 6th class without having to delete a character.

Seera.5916:

Ayrilana.1396:

Behellagh.1468:

Boosters last 2 hours. Bag slots are forever.

But both lose their value (according to some people) when going to another character that they were not applied on as they’re not account bound. If you bought a bag slot for 600 gems and 600 gems worth of boosters, would they have the same value when all applied to a single character but then you then start a new one to act as your main?

Cost wise they are the same but the bag slot expansion has more value as it’s permanent. However people are saying the boosters are a good value for new players whereas the bag slot expansion are not based on the new player potentially changing their main at some point in the future.

Basically anything that can only be used my one character is a bad value for new players (and veterans if you want to go that far).

I don’t think any of us are saying that it’s bad to have bag slots in the package. Just that if it’s apparently aimed at new players, then there are things we feel would have been better for new players than a bag slot. Such as a character slot. So that they could try out a 6th class without having to delete a character.

I personally don’t see how a character slot would be better for a new account which already has five empty slots. Yes, they can have a sixth class to try out but what’s the likelihood of them playing six classes consecutively? For a new player, you’d think that trying to play 6 classes at once would be a little overwhelming.

I am thinking about getting it, but I do not have the cash to gold atm, on avg, how long do these sale last, you think?

These are obviously targeted at new players who may not know better. XP Booster is obvious benefit for a new player. Keys are the free hit for RNG. In all likelihood they will get a scrap and might try for more. Transmutation charges for customizing your armor look even though you can get them easily enough. Same with the new dyes.

As I said the 10 XP boosters are worth 900 gems in the store and them alone is worth the cost. And the extra 1100 gem premium on the high end package (the extra 100 gems for additional 10 dyes) is a 100 gem savings on the bank slots.

Not so coincidentally the two kits are priced at either the smallest gem package you can get online or number of gems you get from the standard gem card. These are probably the two most common gem packages. So it’s likely they started with those two price points and figured out what items a new player might find attractive. As vets these aren’t all that attractive but for someone starting out?

TJgalon.5012:

I am thinking about getting it, but I do not have the cash to gold atm, on avg, how long do these sale last, you think?

This is what I wanted to know. Sometimes it will say on the item how long it lasts, sometimes it doesn’t. I’m hoping it will be like the black lion intro pack which has been in the shop for months on end and shows no sign of going anywhere, but who knows.

with my birthday today, I am hoping someone took my gem card FB post serious, and I getr one, cause if I do, it mine, if not, well, just wait and earn.

Just found Dulfy’s page on these new items:

http://dulfy.net/2015/08/18/gw2-account-bump-account-jump-start-in-gemstore/

So apparently you can only buy these things once per account.

Well, that’s somewhat of a relief knowing that people can’t be duped if they try to buy it the second time around (where purchasing items individually would be cheaper).

I’m just confused why the “crossed out” value is even there though- they could’ve at least made the figure lower and closer to the actual value rather than some obscure inflated one. Perhaps these new Account-bound Unidentified Dyes will solve our mystery, and turn out to be ludicrously expensive on the gem-store.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Just found Dulfy’s page on these new items:

http://dulfy.net/2015/08/18/gw2-account-bump-account-jump-start-in-gemstore/

So apparently you can only buy these things once per account.

Well, that’s somewhat of a relief knowing that people can’t be duped if they try to buy it the second time around (where purchasing items individually would be cheaper).

I’m just confused why the “crossed out” value is even there though- they could’ve at least made the figure lower and closer to the actual value rather than some obscure inflated one. Perhaps these new Account-bound Unidentified Dyes will solve our mystery, and turn out to be ludicrously expensive on the gem-store.

Inflated?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3hgl8i/gemstore_update_account_bump_account_jump_start/cu76gr3

Ayrilana.1396:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Just found Dulfy’s page on these new items:

http://dulfy.net/2015/08/18/gw2-account-bump-account-jump-start-in-gemstore/

So apparently you can only buy these things once per account.

Well, that’s somewhat of a relief knowing that people can’t be duped if they try to buy it the second time around (where purchasing items individually would be cheaper).

I’m just confused why the “crossed out” value is even there though- they could’ve at least made the figure lower and closer to the actual value rather than some obscure inflated one. Perhaps these new Account-bound Unidentified Dyes will solve our mystery, and turn out to be ludicrously expensive on the gem-store.

Inflated?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3hgl8i/gemstore_update_account_bump_account_jump_start/cu76gr3

I think you misunderstood me.

The “original price” (the one that is crossed out beneath the current “discount” price) for these items stand at 1,970 gems for the Account Bump and 3,620 gems for the Account Jump Start.

These figures are more expensive than if you bought the contents individually.

As someone who doesn’t have ANY bag or bank expansions. the 2000 gem pack doesn’t seem like too bad a deal, since it’s basically the cost of all those slots and you get some free stuff as a bonus.

The thing is, I don’t really need any of that extra stuff and it’s a lot to spend at once. $25 worth of gems? eh…. I need the slots, but when I have 100 transmutation charages and the gold to buy pretty much whatever dye I want minus some of the exclusives which aren’t in the standard dye packs anyways, the only reason to get it is a 10 pack of keys and I’m not really the gambling type anyways.

It’s still the most enticing package deal since it has the least useless stuff. It’s way better than the BL introductory kit which is not enticing at all, IMO.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Ayrilana.1396:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Just found Dulfy’s page on these new items:

http://dulfy.net/2015/08/18/gw2-account-bump-account-jump-start-in-gemstore/

So apparently you can only buy these things once per account.

Well, that’s somewhat of a relief knowing that people can’t be duped if they try to buy it the second time around (where purchasing items individually would be cheaper).

I’m just confused why the “crossed out” value is even there though- they could’ve at least made the figure lower and closer to the actual value rather than some obscure inflated one. Perhaps these new Account-bound Unidentified Dyes will solve our mystery, and turn out to be ludicrously expensive on the gem-store.

Inflated?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3hgl8i/gemstore_update_account_bump_account_jump_start/cu76gr3

I think you misunderstood me.

The “original price” (the one that is crossed out beneath the current “discount” price) for these items stand at 1,970 gems for the Account Bump and 3,620 gems for the Account Jump Start.

These figures are more expensive than if you bought the contents individually.

The bump is worth 1,854 (rounded) gems and the jump start is worth 3,446 (rounded) gems. While there is a small difference between actual and what they listed, it’s not substantial enough to be an issue.

I’m sure they have value for other players, but for me both packs have horrible value:

Black Lion Keys – Never have and never will pay for RNG lockboxes, seeing these in the packs actually takes value away for me.

Transmutation Charges – Already swimming in charges from PvP track rewards, buying more would just be silly.

Account-Bound Unidentified Dyes – Already have every standard color, so Unid Dyes only have value as Gift of Color material to me… except these can’t be used to make a Gift.

Experience Boosters – All my characters are level 80, I have more than enough ToKs to make more 80s, I don’t WvW anymore, and while the PvP track progress boost is nice, I would have to suffer Unranked/Ranked to get the most use out of it. No thanks.

Bag Slot Expansion – I have four 20 slot bags and a Copper-Fed Salvage-o-Matic, I have absolutely no need for overpriced bag slots.

Bank Tab Expansion – About the only thing in the packs that I find value in, but that’s 1,200 gems worth of stuff I do want in a 2,000 gem pack filled mostly with stuff I don’t want.