Guild Wars 2

We need other ways to get ascended weapons, we need this because crafting is not fun for anyone, and those of us like myself who don’t have much crafts at 400 are not willing to spend the time it takes to get to 500 crafting. So what other ways should We be able to get ascended weapons through? My first instinct is to use the Mystic Fountain, to do a similar type of crafting but with combining ascended crafting materials. Eventually like ledgendaries and their gifts you could make an ascended with strong enough ascended crafting materials.. I believe in this option because it would stop the materials from endlessly piling up in your bank. This method would be fair because crafting materials are acquired by playing the game and having fun. Also this same type of process is done for ascended back pieces.

(Don’t make this a complaint page it’s for suggestions. Also thank you to Anet because You guys get more complaints than You do compliments but you do truly great work. I’ve been in GW2 since beta and you do allot of hard work for us to enjoy the game the way we want to play it.)

i wonder why they are not made available through Fractals run or Laurels/Commendations trader…….

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

LHound.8964:

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

See the thing is Anet specifically has said they want players to have fun while playing their game. I truly want ascended available to me even if it takes 200+ hours for 1 weapon but I am not willing to no enjoy the time I take to get there. If you on the other hand enjoy crafting, then the currently implemented way of getting ascended is perfectly suited for you.

I hope they will implement more options for obtaining them in the future as they did with the rings and accessories. I hope this is the first patch to introduce them similar to rings being introduced in fractals only at first, and that they will increase the options horizontally in the future.

Haven’t they said they were also an extremely rare chance drop from whatever drops ascended stuff? (and that counts in fractals)

However that extremely rare chance usually means precursor-grade rarity. Which is not really related to effort but just to luck.

I wish Arenanet would take on my idea of Spires of the Mists I suggested months ago: boss battles with rewards based on effort needed to be completed. The tougher they are, the better are the rewards.

Hermes.7014:

Haven’t they said they were also an extremely rare chance drop from whatever drops ascended stuff? (and that counts in fractals)

However that extremely rare chance usually means precursor-grade rarity. Which is not really related to effort but just to luck.

In my year of playing I have never seen an precursor drop, but those are tradeable. Ascended weapons are account bound. So the rare drop is not really an option in my book (ofcourse keeping my fingers crossed while saying this).

Hermes.7014:

Haven’t they said they were also an extremely rare chance drop from whatever drops ascended stuff? (and that counts in fractals)

After an entire day of WvW taking over camps and towers not one person on my borderland found a ascended weapon. So I’m counting that chance as lower than exotic which is not very good.

D best.3547:

LHound.8964:

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

See the thing is Anet specifically has said they want players to have fun while playing their game. I truly want ascended available to me even if it takes 200+ hours for 1 weapon but I am not willing to no enjoy the time I take to get there. If you on the other hand enjoy crafting, then the currently implemented way of getting ascended is perfectly suited for you.

To create an Ascended Weapon you must play all the game’s content! Same items can be obtained trough different places (Dungeons, World Bosses, Champions, WvW camps, WvW Towers/keeps). There is in fact one obligation – crafting, and i agree that for those who don’t like crafting it can be a pain to level that thing up.

In time there will surely be other ways of acquiring the same weapons trough different procedures. A substitution for the crafting procedure could be the mystic forge, but at a higher cost and higher efforts.

The other obvious solution is to forget about ascended weapons and use the 5% inferior Exotic weapons.

But one thing i must say: Effort should always be there!

LHound.8964:

In time there will surely be other ways of acquiring the same weapons trough different procedures. A substitution for the crafting procedure could be the mystic forge, but at a higher cost and higher efforts.

But one thing i must say: Effort should always be there!

I totally agree it should be harder to get ascended through the mystic forge than crafting, and it can still require most aspects of the game (sPvP not included) as long as we don’t grind crafting levels.

D best.3547:

We need other ways to get ascended weapons, we need this because crafting is not fun for anyone, and those of us like myself who don’t have much crafts at 400 are not willing to spend the time it takes to get to 500 crafting. So what other ways should We be able to get ascended weapons through? My first instinct is to use the Mystic Fountain, to do a similar type of crafting but with combining ascended crafting materials. Eventually like ledgendaries and their gifts you could make an ascended with strong enough ascended crafting materials.. I believe in this option because it would stop the materials from endlessly piling up in your bank. This method would be fair because crafting materials are acquired by playing the game and having fun. Also this same type of process is done for ascended back pieces.

(Don’t make this a complaint page it’s for suggestions. Also thank you to Anet because You guys get more complaints than You do compliments but you do truly great work. I’ve been in GW2 since beta and you do allot of hard work for us to enjoy the game the way we want to play it.)

Complete ascended weapons have a chance to drop anywhere that the materials used to make them drop.

So basically anywhere in the game but ironically, excluding fractals.

They really should have taken this chance to introduce a crafting mini-game. The crafting is just mindlessly boring in GW2 (well, most mmo’s in general…) and they could have had the chance to do something really cool if they had introduce a mini game of sorts.

Also, I agree that there should be other ways to obtain ascended gear because changing gear when you want to change specs is a pain in the kitten at the moment. Personally, I won’t ever change from zerker armor on my Ranger due to A) it’s just a pain to get new gear (mostly due to the ascended accessories) and B.) I don’t want to have to refuse my kitten skins and lose my current weapon in the process, only to have to get that weapon again when I decide to respec back.

They definitely shouldn’t just hand players the gear, but players should be able to obtain it in other ways that may be more relevant to the elements of GW2 that they enjoy.

fellyn.5083:

Complete ascended weapons have a chance to drop anywhere that the materials used to make them drop.

So basically anywhere in the game but ironically, excluding fractals.

Yes, well… Precursors are also supposed to drop in a few places in the game; yet I haven’t seen one drop for anyone yet. Yes, provides a really nice alternative to the mystic toilet. (Like I said earlier, I don’t just expect free hand outs, it’s nice to have stuff that feels somewhat like an actual achievement now, unlike Legendaries, to go work towards; but, it would still be nice to have the potential to get stuff out of say jump puzzles or something… I like my jump puzzles, but they are pretty worthless to do most of the time…)

LHound.8964:

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

After looking closer at it after getting my craft up, i’d say it’s exactly opposite. Timegates, contrary to my original fears, are not a problem at all. Problem lies in massive material requirements, that practically require you to farm, farm and farm. You will spend so much time gathering materials, that the timegates will become completely irrelevant.
Yes, in’t not difficult. It is however long, tedious, and boring.

fellyn.5083:

Complete ascended weapons have a chance to drop anywhere that the materials used to make them drop.

So basically anywhere in the game but ironically, excluding fractals.

Wait, Empyreal fragments don’t drop in Fractals? Ugh, my time estimates of when i’ll be able to craft my weapons just went up again.

And yeah, the chance to drop ascended weapons is so low it might as well be non-existent.

They should make the fractal skins ascended. They are rare enough anyways.

fellyn.5083:

D best.3547:

We need other ways to get ascended weapons, we need this because crafting is not fun for anyone, and those of us like myself who don’t have much crafts at 400 are not willing to spend the time it takes to get to 500 crafting. So what other ways should We be able to get ascended weapons through? My first instinct is to use the Mystic Fountain, to do a similar type of crafting but with combining ascended crafting materials. Eventually like ledgendaries and their gifts you could make an ascended with strong enough ascended crafting materials.. I believe in this option because it would stop the materials from endlessly piling up in your bank. This method would be fair because crafting materials are acquired by playing the game and having fun. Also this same type of process is done for ascended back pieces.

(Don’t make this a complaint page it’s for suggestions. Also thank you to Anet because You guys get more complaints than You do compliments but you do truly great work. I’ve been in GW2 since beta and you do allot of hard work for us to enjoy the game the way we want to play it.)

Complete ascended weapons have a chance to drop anywhere that the materials used to make them drop.

So basically anywhere in the game but ironically, excluding fractals.

Well, the exact quote from the patch notes is:

“Ascended weapons can now drop anywhere ascended materials or other ascended items can be found.”

Other ascended items can be found in fractals (both from mobs and end chest), so I’d say there’s a chance you’ll get ascended weapons in fractals too. Of course the chance will be absolutely tiny, so it barely matters either way.

Aldred.9345:

Well, the exact quote from the patch notes is:

“Ascended weapons can now drop anywhere ascended materials or other ascended items can be found.”

Other ascended items can be found in fractals (both from mobs and end chest), so I’d say there’s a chance you’ll get ascended weapons in fractals too. Of course the chance will be absolutely tiny, so it barely matters either way.

Hmm, you are right. And since vials/globs/shards are an ascended material, everywhere they drop (which is practically every mob in fractals) ascended weapons should drop as well.
According to the patch notes.

The people are just being dramatic.

They want a game L T W ( Log in To Win )

azizul.8469:

i wonder why they are not made available through Fractals run or Laurels/Commendations trader…….

That would make too much sense.

I agree that there should be more ways of obtaining them, beyond just crafting and drops. However, I also agree with LHound that we shouldn’t simply receive something for nothing (some work should be involved).

I don’t particularly feel the top tier of gear should necessarily be ‘locked’ in such a way that [it] is distinctly harder to get than other armors. This refutes the ‘gear up and go’ mentality Anet was going for. I think (and this is purely my opinion here) that they trying for similarities to the GW1 gear system, but wanted it to take a little longer to get – ie, how long it took you in Prophecies to get max gear if you played linearly without being ran to Droks (pre-Factions). This would give you something to work towards initially. However, considering this is being implemented late, to many it instead feels like obligatory grind for BiS, negating their effort and expense on exotics.

Additional ways of getting the armor, which require some effort, may help alleviate some of the complaints. However, I don’t know what they could do that many wouldn’t label as grind, or gating.

Purchase an item that costs laurels and a boatload of karma (provides time gating and level of effort based on how much karma is needed). Throw in mystic forge with 3 other ascended mats (requires current ascended mat farming). Receive ascended weapon.

I could probably think of something even better if I spent more than 30 seconds at it.

Sentinel ascended just dropped from a tower lord for someone in our server

BondageBill.4021:

Purchase an item that costs laurels and a boatload of karma (provides time gating and level of effort based on how much karma is needed). Throw in mystic forge with 3 other ascended mats (requires current ascended mat farming). Receive ascended weapon.

I could probably think of something even better if I spent more than 30 seconds at it.

Have you seen the threads complaining about the ‘Mystic Toilet’ ? I wasn’t even going to broach that subject, since there would likely be RNG involved in it. That’s a scary can of worms to poke at.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

BondageBill.4021:

Purchase an item that costs laurels and a boatload of karma (provides time gating and level of effort based on how much karma is needed). Throw in mystic forge with 3 other ascended mats (requires current ascended mat farming). Receive ascended weapon.

I could probably think of something even better if I spent more than 30 seconds at it.

Have you seen the threads complaining about the ‘Mystic Toilet’ ? I wasn’t even going to broach that subject, since there would likely be RNG involved in it. That’s a scary can of worms to poke at.

I suppose I should have added no RNG. Instead, there should be static recipes for specific weapons. For example, the item you buy could define the weapon type (like sPvP weapon tokens), then you get to choose the stats upon creation. There are lots of weapons that have fixed recipes in the MF (just not precursors)

BondageBill.4021:

I suppose I should have added no RNG. Instead, there should be static recipes for specific weapons. For example, the item you buy could define the weapon type (like sPvP weapon tokens), then you get to choose the stats upon creation. There are lots of weapons that have fixed recipes in the MF (just not precursors)

There was an implied ‘no rng’ which I caught, and honestly, I’d be ok with that.

However, even if it had absolutely no rng, and required acceptable levels of required mats, people would still yowl because it involved the Mystic Forge. You’d think that thing ate their last brownie just to kitten them off, sheesh.

Still, Anet would most likely have some level of rng involved, they really like it apparently. Although, depending on how it was done, and if they say…made those ascended items tradeable….I might be able to live with it.

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Jski.6180:

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Is that so? Explain to us then why we need to spend a kittenload of gold to craft an ascended weapon?

Bubbles.1047:

Jski.6180:

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Is that so? Explain to us then why we need to spend a kittenload of gold to craft an ascended weapon?

50G is a lot? There are a good number of ways to make gold in this game gold is maybe too easy to get but 50G is not a lot lol. Any way the old back items where a good bit in there time about 20G ish for the old MF ones.

LHound.8964:

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

To start that off with ‘To be fair’ wasn’t fair at all. Your reply was made to something the OP did not even say. Noone said anything about having it handed to them. He suggested an alternate method to crafting. The mats would still be required to be gathered in the same ways, the same amount of time taken (I assume), only replacing the Forge with actual crafting. Hell, even adding in an extra item needed for the Forge to make up for not having to do the tedious crafting or maybe different recipes altogether than crafting.
Thats a good idea and there should (and hopefully will be) alternate ways to make these beyond crafting and RNG.

Tiger.7506:

The people are just being dramatic.

They want a game L T W ( Log in To Win )

I do not consider being geared up to be a win condition. For me it’s a “play condition”.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I think (and this is purely my opinion here) that they trying for similarities to the GW1 gear system, but wanted it to take a little longer to get – ie, how long it took you in Prophecies to get max gear if you played linearly without being ran to Droks (pre-Factions).

So.. a week for complete gear up? Somehow it doesn’t seem like it.

Jski.6180:

Bubbles.1047:

Jski.6180:

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Is that so? Explain to us then why we need to spend a kittenload of gold to craft an ascended weapon?

50G is a lot? There are a good number of ways to make gold in this game gold is maybe too easy to get but 50G is not a lot lol. Any way the old back items where a good bit in there time about 20G ish for the old MF ones.

No, 50g is not a lot. But since we’re talking about ascended weapons, and 50g doesn’t even begin to cover the cost of making one, why did you pick this number in particular? You may as well have claimed that 1g isn’t a lot and thusly concluded that those weapons are cheap to make.

Well, 50g per weapon is a lot. But unfortunately, we didn’t even begin to see the huge grind required to level a craft to 500, nor the soul crushing RNG flavored exotic salvaging required.

So, if you are at 500 craft already and somehow got the Exotic salvage part donc, I do think it costs around 50g in raw mats to make a weapon.

Astralporing.1957:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I think (and this is purely my opinion here) that they trying for similarities to the GW1 gear system, but wanted it to take a little longer to get – ie, how long it took you in Prophecies to get max gear if you played linearly without being ran to Droks (pre-Factions).

So.. a week for complete gear up? Somehow it doesn’t seem like it.

It was a comparison, nothing more. The point was that gathering armor was a game long ‘experience’ in prophecies. For some people it took no time at all, for others it took distinctly longer. I feel like they were trying for something sort of in the middle here, and in Colin’s PAX interview he states that they felt getting to and gearing exotics was a bit too quick. Which is fine, they have the right to determine ‘how long’ is should take someone to get max gear. Yes, their ‘how long’ is going to be (or at least should be) an ‘average’ length of time. Some will gear faster, others will gear slower., but they have an overall average length of time they want to enforce.

LHound.8964:

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

the only thing that kitten es me off about this new direction anet is taking is the annoying time gating and the once a day per account BS that is going on.

if you only play one toon time gating is glorious, but if you are the kind of person that has different toons for different situations, than you are royally screwed.

again, I’m fine with all the materials req. and stuff but the time gating and once per account is what is killing me and many others that have several toons, I’ve raised my voice many times about this crappy trend but, the fact of the matter is care bears rule this game they are the majority they don’t like it that someone else got stuff faster than them I feel sorry for them because real life doesn’t work that way

think about how long it would take to get 1 toon in full ascended, than multiply that by 8 in my case that’s punishment for having more than 1 toon right there !!!!

all because of this BS time gate and once per account per day BS

if they take those 2 things out of the equation at least than
I could actually gear up all my favorite toons in ascended as well, right now I’m thinking I will only get my warrior up to full ascended items.

and even though I love playing my guardian, ele, mesmer equally as much I royally refuse to accept this crappy limiting system* that is designed so that no one can acquire anything faster than anyone else, it may sound like a great idea but it’s not, it only works for people that have one toon while royally screwing alts.

I wanna swear so much and curse so much but this kitten forum doesn’t let you really express wtf you’re feeling. !!!!

I love the game, but I’m starting to hate it just as much just because of these kitten nine systems that keep popping up like candy for fat kids.

LHound.8964:

To be fair, i believe that the higher tiered gear, should have an effort/reward associated to it. So to be handed as a reward (i.g.: Laurels) i don’t agree.

Ascended weapons aren’t that difficult to create. The biggest limitation is the time gating for it’ creation. I bet that if there was no time gating, a solid amount of players already would have full sets of these weapons!

When i saw how these weapons immediately said : “Cool, some effort related reward, as it should be”. Don’t expect to receive everything for free!

See, most players will agree that higher difficulty things should have higher rewards attached. However, this is not difficult. Crafting an Ascended Weapon has no skill attached to it. It’s just farming. There isn’t any skill in farming. Auto-attacking in a zerg barely even constitutes as an effort, even. And doing it every day for two weeks? Come on.

It’s not about the effort that it takes that makes people upset with Ascended Gear. It’s that there are higher stats attached to time-gated mechanics with a lack of overall skill necessary for it.

Tiger.7506:

The people are just being dramatic.

They want a game L T W ( Log in To Win )

Win what? We just want to be on par.

You can just play the game, collect the ascended materials needed to craft an ascended weapon, and eventually, you will have enough to craft one. You can play however you want and you’ll still be able to craft an ascended weapon by just collecting the mats. Or, if you hate life, you can get your Magic Find up to 300% and just play the game and hope for an ascended drop.

I used to agree with people wanting more rewards/better rewards, but you people have complained about this latest patch which brought a ton more rewards than you had before, and you’re still complaining.

Oh, you don’t like crafting? Well, neither do I, but would you rather have ascended gear be strictly RNG?

Anet implemented this perfectly, and it does not need to change. Stop being lazy and craft your ascended or farm for one.

Well you do have a chance of them dropping from certain things (They said anything that drops an ascended item (or was it material/thing?)), which means you can get them in Fractals, correct? Also, new Tequatl is supposed to have a chance as well, I think.
But, we know what Anet means when they say stuff has a “chance” at dropping (Ie. never really drops for anyone).

It would be nice to get them some other way without having to constantly craft stuff to get it.

Aldred.9345:

fellyn.5083:

D best.3547:

We need other ways to get ascended weapons, we need this because crafting is not fun for anyone, and those of us like myself who don’t have much crafts at 400 are not willing to spend the time it takes to get to 500 crafting. So what other ways should We be able to get ascended weapons through? My first instinct is to use the Mystic Fountain, to do a similar type of crafting but with combining ascended crafting materials. Eventually like ledgendaries and their gifts you could make an ascended with strong enough ascended crafting materials.. I believe in this option because it would stop the materials from endlessly piling up in your bank. This method would be fair because crafting materials are acquired by playing the game and having fun. Also this same type of process is done for ascended back pieces.

(Don’t make this a complaint page it’s for suggestions. Also thank you to Anet because You guys get more complaints than You do compliments but you do truly great work. I’ve been in GW2 since beta and you do allot of hard work for us to enjoy the game the way we want to play it.)

Complete ascended weapons have a chance to drop anywhere that the materials used to make them drop.

So basically anywhere in the game but ironically, excluding fractals.

Well, the exact quote from the patch notes is:

“Ascended weapons can now drop anywhere ascended materials or other ascended items can be found.”

Other ascended items can be found in fractals (both from mobs and end chest), so I’d say there’s a chance you’ll get ascended weapons in fractals too. Of course the chance will be absolutely tiny, so it barely matters either way.

Fair point.

just ran fractal 48 and got a a zerker asended weapon chest