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Overflow Voice Chat
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
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No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.
no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
it’s from guildwars2 user agreement.
read #15:
"
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software. A listing of any such Third Party Software (if applicable) is made available to you in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third Party Software, and is set forth in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software, and is available upon written request from NCSOFT. Your rights in any such Third-Party Software are governed by and subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the applicable third-party licenses set forth in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third-Party Software, and in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software. By installing or using any such Third-Party Software, you acknowledge and agree to fully comply with such terms and conditions. IN ADDITION TO ANY DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THE DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE SHALL APPLY TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING WITH RESPECT TO SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. NCSOFT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ANY SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED TO IN WRITING BY NCSOFT UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, HOLD HARMLESS AND DEFEND NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIMS OR LAWSUITS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS’ FEES, THAT ARISE OR RESULT FROM THE USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
it’s from guildwars2 user agreement.
read #15:
"
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software. A listing of any such Third Party Software (if applicable) is made available to you in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third Party Software, and is set forth in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software, and is available upon written request from NCSOFT. Your rights in any such Third-Party Software are governed by and subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the applicable third-party licenses set forth in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third-Party Software, and in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software. By installing or using any such Third-Party Software, you acknowledge and agree to fully comply with such terms and conditions. IN ADDITION TO ANY DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THE DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE SHALL APPLY TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING WITH RESPECT TO SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. NCSOFT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ANY SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED TO IN WRITING BY NCSOFT UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, HOLD HARMLESS AND DEFEND NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIMS OR LAWSUITS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS’ FEES, THAT ARISE OR RESULT FROM THE USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."
Umm, that doesn’t say what you think it says.
And again, it is an absolute fact that Anet will not ban you for using Voice chat software. Considering that Windows PC have Apps running all the time. The only third party apps Anet would ban you for are ones that actually make the game act different then intended, like speed hacks, able to stay underground to move around freely, bots. Voice chat will absolutely not get you banned. They would have to ban probably 90% of their playerbase if they did.
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LOL! I don’t think he understands what the User Agreement is saying.
You can’t use 3rd party software that INTERACTS with Guild Wars 2. Team Speak, Ventrillo, and Mumble are all software yes, but they interact with your computer’s OS. With your interpretation of the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have an Anti-Virus prog running in the background, let alone hardware drivers, or even Windows itself.
In GW2, Trading Post plays you!
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LOL! I don’t think he understands what the User Agreement is saying.
You can’t use 3rd party software that INTERACTS with Guild Wars 2. Team Speak, Ventrillo, and Mumble are all software yes, but they interact with your computer’s OS. With your interpretation of the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have an Anti-Virus prog running in the background, let alone hardware drivers, or even Windows itself.
how do you define “interact”.
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LOL! I don’t think he understands what the User Agreement is saying.
You can’t use 3rd party software that INTERACTS with Guild Wars 2. Team Speak, Ventrillo, and Mumble are all software yes, but they interact with your computer’s OS. With your interpretation of the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have an Anti-Virus prog running in the background, let alone hardware drivers, or even Windows itself.
What he showed is talking about the third party software in guild Wars 2 that is owned by other companies or is public domain that Anet put into the programming of the game, and them stating that they cannot grant licences to use those 3rd party software beyond the scope of what is already programmed into the game, and then a bunch of other stuff that had nothing to do with what he was trying to say it says. Nothing in that section 15 says anything about not able to use 3rd party apps.
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
it’s from guildwars2 user agreement.
read #15:
"
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software. A listing of any such Third Party Software (if applicable) is made available to you in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third Party Software, and is set forth in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software, and is available upon written request from NCSOFT. Your rights in any such Third-Party Software are governed by and subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the applicable third-party licenses set forth in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third-Party Software, and in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software. By installing or using any such Third-Party Software, you acknowledge and agree to fully comply with such terms and conditions. IN ADDITION TO ANY DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THE DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE SHALL APPLY TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING WITH RESPECT TO SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. NCSOFT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ANY SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED TO IN WRITING BY NCSOFT UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, HOLD HARMLESS AND DEFEND NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIMS OR LAWSUITS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS’ FEES, THAT ARISE OR RESULT FROM THE USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."Umm, that doesn’t say what you think it says.
And again, it is an absolute fact that Anet will not ban you for using Voice chat software. Considering that Windows PC have Apps running all the time. The only third party apps Anet would ban you for are ones that actually make the game act different then intended, like speed hacks, able to stay underground to move around freely, bots. Voice chat will absolutely not get you banned. They would have to ban probably 90% of their playerbase if they did.
well I just don’t like this agreement.
you never know only if you got banned.
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LOL! I don’t think he understands what the User Agreement is saying.
You can’t use 3rd party software that INTERACTS with Guild Wars 2. Team Speak, Ventrillo, and Mumble are all software yes, but they interact with your computer’s OS. With your interpretation of the rules, you shouldn’t be allowed to have an Anti-Virus prog running in the background, let alone hardware drivers, or even Windows itself.
how do you define “interact”.
First find something in the TOS/user agreement that talks about not using 3rd party apps, cause the one you showed is not the one.
But when talking about Interact with the software, again that would be about bots, speed hacks, software that lets you stay under ground. Not some voice chat program that does not interact with the software at all.
how do you define “interact”.
Let me post this part first:
~~~ "8. PROHIBITED AND IRREPARABLY HARMFUL ACTIVITIES CONCERNING NCSOFT
You acknowledge that You may not, without signed written consent from a legally authorized representative of NCSOFT, do any of the following:
Misappropriate, violate or infringe any third-party IP right;
Use any NCSOFT IP right except as permitted under this agreement or otherwise permitted in writing by NCSOFT;
Use, or provide others with, any software related to the Game, including any automation software (a.k.a. “bot”) or software designed to change or modify operation of the Game;
Use, or provide others with, any “hack,” “cheat,” “exploit” or “mod”;
Use, or provide others with, any service related to the Game, including but not limited to:
any service that interacts with the Software; or
any service that that would change characteristics related to an Account or Character ID, such as increasing the level of a character (a.k.a. power-leveling);
Engage in any activity prohibited under Section 2(f) above;" ~~~
So if you use software that interacts with the Guild Wars 2 program, such as a hack or mod, you get banned. The software must either access GW2.exe, or interact with the data stream to Anet’s servers. Voice comms DO NOT interact with the GW2.exe program, nor do they access Anet’s servers.
In GW2, Trading Post plays you!
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No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
it’s from guildwars2 user agreement.
read #15:
"
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software. A listing of any such Third Party Software (if applicable) is made available to you in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third Party Software, and is set forth in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software, and is available upon written request from NCSOFT. Your rights in any such Third-Party Software are governed by and subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the applicable third-party licenses set forth in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third-Party Software, and in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software. By installing or using any such Third-Party Software, you acknowledge and agree to fully comply with such terms and conditions. IN ADDITION TO ANY DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THE DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE SHALL APPLY TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING WITH RESPECT TO SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. NCSOFT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ANY SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED TO IN WRITING BY NCSOFT UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, HOLD HARMLESS AND DEFEND NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIMS OR LAWSUITS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS’ FEES, THAT ARISE OR RESULT FROM THE USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."Umm, that doesn’t say what you think it says.
And again, it is an absolute fact that Anet will not ban you for using Voice chat software. Considering that Windows PC have Apps running all the time. The only third party apps Anet would ban you for are ones that actually make the game act different then intended, like speed hacks, able to stay underground to move around freely, bots. Voice chat will absolutely not get you banned. They would have to ban probably 90% of their playerbase if they did.
well I just don’t like this agreement.
you never know only if you got banned.
No one has ever been banned for voice chat, no one in the history of any MMO including this one, that is beyond ludicrous. There is absolutely no logical sense to ban people for using what is basically a telephone system.
No all voice chat is done on third party apps like TeamSpeak and Ventrilo there is no built in voice chat in this game. Most large guild run a voice chat server, join a guild that has one and you will get voice chat.
You can’t use a third party apps when you playing the game. They will ban you.
even voice chat.no… they will not ban you for using voice chat third party app. Not even sure where you got that from.
it’s from guildwars2 user agreement.
read #15:
"
You acknowledge that (i) the Game may contain other software or components that are either owned by a third party or in the public domain, and (ii) NCSOFT has no proprietary interest in such software or components (collectively and each, the “Third Party Software”), and as such, cannot grant you a license to use such Third-Party Software. A listing of any such Third Party Software (if applicable) is made available to you in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third Party Software, and is set forth in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software, and is available upon written request from NCSOFT. Your rights in any such Third-Party Software are governed by and subject to the terms and conditions set forth in the applicable third-party licenses set forth in the Documentation, the “Read Me” files for each component of Third-Party Software, and in the THIRDPARTYSOFTWAREREADME.txt file located in the installation directory of the Software. By installing or using any such Third-Party Software, you acknowledge and agree to fully comply with such terms and conditions. IN ADDITION TO ANY DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SUCH TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THE DISCLAIMERS SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE AND THE LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY SET FORTH IN SECTION 12 ABOVE SHALL APPLY TO NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING WITH RESPECT TO SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. NCSOFT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ANY SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE UNLESS EXPRESSLY AGREED TO IN WRITING BY NCSOFT UNDER A SEPARATE AGREEMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE TO INDEMNIFY, HOLD HARMLESS AND DEFEND NCSOFT, ANY THIRD-PARTIES UNDER AGREEMENT WITH NCSOFT, ANY PARENT, SUBSIDIARY OR AFFILIATE OF NCSOFT, OR ANY EMPLOYEE, AGENT, SUPPLIER, LICENSEE, CUSTOMER, DISTRIBUTOR, SHAREHOLDER, DIRECTOR OR OFFICER OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING, AND ANY LICENSORS OF ANY OF THE FOREGOING FROM AND AGAINST ANY CLAIMS OR LAWSUITS, INCLUDING ATTORNEYS’ FEES, THAT ARISE OR RESULT FROM THE USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE."Umm, that doesn’t say what you think it says.
And again, it is an absolute fact that Anet will not ban you for using Voice chat software. Considering that Windows PC have Apps running all the time. The only third party apps Anet would ban you for are ones that actually make the game act different then intended, like speed hacks, able to stay underground to move around freely, bots. Voice chat will absolutely not get you banned. They would have to ban probably 90% of their playerbase if they did.
well I just don’t like this agreement.
you never know only if you got banned.No one has ever been banned for voice chat, no one in the history of any MMO including this one, that is beyond ludicrous. There is absolutely no logical sense to ban people for using what is basically a telephone system.
who knows, lets leave this chat for several years.
Things might change.
anyway. I don’t want to argue with you guys.
Just feel the define of those things are not clear.
so, yeah.
have fun.
who knows, lets leave this chat for several years.
Things might change.
anyway. I don’t want to argue with you guys.
Just feel the define of those things are not clear.
so, yeah.
have fun.
There’s a difference between a contract that’s not clear, and a person who doesn’t understand a contract’s terms. Anet’s ToS is pretty clear on everything they expect out of players.
In GW2, Trading Post plays you!
Anet has said straight out that they didn’t put chat into the game because there are so many good chat programs out there. Clearly using one is not a banning offense.
On topic: There is no voice chat mumble for overflows, because there are often multiple overflows and they’re not server specific, We’ve gone to Lion’s Arch my guild, in a party and had people in three different overflows. Obviously we joined each other, but it shows that an overflow voice chat would be next to useless.
Since there is no vice chat for overflow servers I would like to donate a Raidcall room that I’m not using. ID# is 4512712. Up to 10,000 players can be on it at once and I already have 5 overflow rooms set up but more can be added. Also If anyone wants to put a guild voice chat channel there I can do it for them.
Report them! They’re using 3rd party software to have teamwork. Cheaters!
Giotto.2607 , If you would get banned for using voice comms, or any program that doesnt touch any of GW2’s files, you would get banned for having anything on your PC while playing.
You would get banned for having a browser on while playing, Steam has voice chat, so you would get banned for having that on at the same time too.
Absolutely every program on your PC would get you banned, if Anet banned people just because they have third-party programs.
As long as the program doesnt touch GW2 in any way, you are safe.
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If ArenaNet banned people for using voice chat, it would be very odd that they have a setting in options for that very thing…VOIP.
Of course we can use voice chat, the Devs use it often when playing.
Also, there’s no way for them to tell you’re using voice chat. If they banned voice chat, 90% of the player base would quit, because part of the fun of MMOs is talking with your guildmates. Yeah, you can do that in guild chat, but it’s not as much fun.
This is the best troll Ive seen in my life! What en excellent preformance to de-rail a topic. Hats off, sir.
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This is the best troll Ive seen in my life! What en excellent preformance to de-rail a topic. Hats off, sir.
Doesn’t matter too much, since the first post on this topic already answers OP’s question
Rose Osiana [Elementalist]
Gandara EU
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Gandara EU
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This is the best troll Ive seen in my life! What en excellent preformance to de-rail a topic. Hats off, sir.
Doesn’t matter too much, since the first post on this topic already answers OP’s question
Actually it took 15 posts to answer my question. Vayne’s answer was what I was looking for the one who was the first poster obviously didn’t read the question. Since the answer is no I decided to donate one scroll up for details.