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[POLL] Living Story or Expansion
I’d rather have an expansion, but I don’t see why they can’t do both.
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I’d rather have an expansion, but I don’t see why they can’t do both.
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Per Colin’s Pax interview, its not one or the other. We will see both.
Side Note: Anyone else notice that anytime we ask about an expansion, they tell us they aren’t ‘focused’ on one, and then point out that they have ‘big projects in the background’ that they aren’t ready to talk about yet?
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
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Per Colin’s Pax interview, its not one or the other. We will see both.
Side Note: Anyone else notice that anytime we ask about an expansion, they tell us they aren’t ‘focused’ on one, and then point out that they have ‘big projects in the background’ that they aren’t ready to talk about yet?
Anytime I’ve read anything Anet said, it was basically saying that they weren’t going to do an expansion if they’re living story works out how they want it to.
Re-side note: I have, but I really think Anet needs to be focused on one. It’s been over a year since release and we have yet to see, IMHO, some real, permanent updates besides FotM, which was fun but isn’t being kept up with either.
Yeah i think we will see both. It was said that these livings stories are keeping people playing much more than if they weren’t. Like you said you log on and you feel you have to do them if you want the rewards. So as much as we all hate all this rushing and half hearted content….we all do it and come back for more. We wanna see whats new and get all the new, no matter the size. They have achieved what they want, that is more people playing on a daily basis…why would they stop.
Apparently when the living stuff was monthly, people complained it was slow. Personally i would like a monthly release, this gives me a week to focus and be excited by it. Then the rest of the time i could focus on what i wanna do in the game, not what i feel i need to do before it goes. Then they could use the time to produce better content or work more on an expansion. For a business sense though, this isn’t as rewarding for them.
Lets just hope we get a nice surprise early 2014.
Expansions but then they should also stop there F2P tactic / gem-store focus they now have. Thats destroying the game.
Per Colin’s Pax interview, its not one or the other. We will see both.
Side Note: Anyone else notice that anytime we ask about an expansion, they tell us they aren’t ‘focused’ on one, and then point out that they have ‘big projects in the background’ that they aren’t ready to talk about yet?
So you think they are focused on it in secret. Well I don’t think they are because there whole business plan seems to have shifted to F2P. Strong focus on gem-store and using marketing techniques trying to get people to buy gems and making the game worse in the progress.
If they would continue like this and start selling expansions it would be simply asocial. You pay with expansions or you go for a F2P game where you can expect this sort of bad marketing tricks ingame. They should simply drop the F2P plan and go back to B2P so expansions. In the meanwhile they can still have a living story but that would that not look as it does now.. it would most likely be much better because the focus of it is “make a good living story” instead of “make sure people log in and buy gems”.
Id rather see full blown expansions once a year or even mini expansions once every three months or so. No living story. Pace of content is too fast, you feel rushed to complete the temporary portions, and the quality definately suffers.
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Per Colin’s Pax interview, its not one or the other. We will see both.
Side Note: Anyone else notice that anytime we ask about an expansion, they tell us they aren’t ‘focused’ on one, and then point out that they have ‘big projects in the background’ that they aren’t ready to talk about yet?
Anytime I’ve read anything Anet said, it was basically saying that they weren’t going to do an expansion if they’re living story works out how they want it to.
Re-side note: I have, but I really think Anet needs to be focused on one. It’s been over a year since release and we have yet to see, IMHO, some real, permanent updates besides FotM, which was fun but isn’t being kept up with either.
Its not that aren’t doing an expansion, its more they may not ‘box it’ as a typical expansion, but they still haven’t decided. We’ll still see all the things we’d normally get in an expansion – more races, more weapons, more landmass, etc. Its not ‘you get one or the other.’ we will get both – the living story, and eventually the expansion.
It sort of feels like they are trying to say “we are working on something along the lines of an expansion in the background, we just can’t come out and tell you about it yet.” Which, makes sense when it comes to business PR and crap. You can’t talk about it until you get all the red tape taken care of.
Yes, it’s been a year, but typical MMOs don’t release an expansion in their first year. Outside of GW1, nothing is coming to mind, and as GW1 has been repeatedly shouted down as not being an MMO, I’m not counting it.
-WoW’s first expansion took roughly two and a half years.
-Rift has been around since 2011 and only recently got it’s first expansion – again about 2 years.
-TERA only just celebrated its first year in May and does not have an expansion. There was a rumor of one in July, but I’ve not heard anything official (doesn’t mean its not out there, just means I aint heard it)
-SWoTR launched in 2011, and didn’t get it’s expansion until 2013, about a year and a half.
So…I’d say in 6 months or so, we might start hearing about one for GW2, since Anet has learned not to open their mouths unless they have something pretty much ready to show us.
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
I would like to see them do both…
Currently, they have 4 teams, each team gets 8 weeks before there living story chapter is released.
How about 2 teams work living story, with a release once per month.
The other 2 teams work on a expansion for release in 12-18 months.
Anet will get extra income from sales of expansion, plus new players will buy GW2 + expansion.
As long as we get some new landmasses, a new profession or two, or perhaps a new race (Tengu, please?), I don’t particularly care how it’s packaged. LS is interesting and all, but if they cut the release cycle back down to once per month on those, I wouldn’t object.
But for all those worried that we may never see an “expansion”, or something equivalent to it, I think that LS updates mostly help retain existing players. Bringing in new ones at this point is more what expac-type content would do.
At this point I think it would be hard for me to not have new content every two weeks.
But if it means that they can’t do stuff like new races or professions then I would probably prefer an expansion.
“What we do in life echoes in eternity”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zkT2uZAGA – GW2 – A world of wonder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6zkT2uZAGA – GW2 – A world of wonder
At this point I think it would be hard for me to not have new content every two weeks.
But if it means that they can’t do stuff like new races or professions then I would probably prefer an expansion.
My problem is also that right now it doesn’t seem like the content every two weeks is well enough developed. It feels like I’m doing the same stuff over and over and I’m honestly just kinda worn out of grinding through dailies and living story.
TL;DR – Please vote whether you would rather have Anet continue Living Story in this game or to see an expansion here. If willing, please leave a comment on why you voted that way.
I am currently unhappy with the living story. I feel like it is forcing me to do things in the game that I don’t necessarily want to do. I come on for maybe a few hours every week, and each living story update lasts two weeks. This means when I log on, if I ever want to get the achievements, minis, whatever, that are included in this update, I HAVE to do them quick before it goes away.
Benefits of an expansion
I feel like an expansion would be a much better addition to this game. It would provide new, lasting maps, dungeons, world events, personal story, etc. I would also hope that an expansion would include a new continent (either Cantha or Elona from GW1), as well as 2 new professions, many new skills, weapons (both skins and weapon times), and maybe even a new race.Adding an expansion allows more content to be added at once, which will give players an option of choosing what content they want to do and when, which is essentially what everyone wants. It will give Anet more time to think, develop, and fix their content.
Whether you agree with me or not, please go to the poll link and vote because I would like to see (and maybe have Anet see) what a large population of their customers want to see. Also, please post feedback on my thoughts, without being overly aggressive, and let me know why you voted the way you did. Thanks!
Definitely expansion, for pretty much the reasons u stated. I want a massive new land to explore to keep me immersed for a few months. I don’t mind living story in small dozes but a proper expansion is well overdue imo.
TL;DR – Please vote whether you would rather have Anet continue Living Story in this game or to see an expansion here. If willing, please leave a comment on why you voted that way.
I am currently unhappy with the living story. I feel like it is forcing me to do things in the game that I don’t necessarily want to do. I come on for maybe a few hours every week, and each living story update lasts two weeks. This means when I log on, if I ever want to get the achievements, minis, whatever, that are included in this update, I HAVE to do them quick before it goes away.
Benefits of an expansion
I feel like an expansion would be a much better addition to this game. It would provide new, lasting maps, dungeons, world events, personal story, etc. I would also hope that an expansion would include a new continent (either Cantha or Elona from GW1), as well as 2 new professions, many new skills, weapons (both skins and weapon times), and maybe even a new race.Adding an expansion allows more content to be added at once, which will give players an option of choosing what content they want to do and when, which is essentially what everyone wants. It will give Anet more time to think, develop, and fix their content.
Whether you agree with me or not, please go to the poll link and vote because I would like to see (and maybe have Anet see) what a large population of their customers want to see. Also, please post feedback on my thoughts, without being overly aggressive, and let me know why you voted the way you did. Thanks!
Definitely expansion, for pretty much the reasons u stated. I want a massive new land to explore to keep me immersed for a few months. I don’t mind living story in small dozes but a proper expansion is well overdue imo.
If they would release new permanent maps, as well as new races, professions, etc. at one time in living story, that would be cool…but I just honestly want more things to do than the grinding rotation that I find the living story to be every two weeks.
Permanent content EXPANSION PACKS all the way, or we will NEVER SEE(or at least anytime soon) any of those named but locked areas on the map.
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Permanent content EXPANSION PACKS all the way, or we will NEVER SEE(or at least anytime soon) any of those named but locked areas on the map.
Much less other continents
I prefer the living story.
Well I want more lvl 80 zones and dungeons,dont care if it come from living story or expansion.
Living Story.
An expansion will be old in 1 month and people will start whining again for the lack of new content.
Also, after 1 year, Anet was totally unwilling/unable to fix a lot of bugs and an expansion will mean a kittenload of permanent bugs so, no thank you (at least LS bugs are temporal).
Why fix the Necromancer for free when we can charge $$$ for the Revenant
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As has been mentioned, when the living story was on a monthly basis, an entirely different group of players complained that it moved too slowly.
You can’t please everyone.
As has been mentioned, when the living story was on a monthly basis, an entirely different group of players complained that it moved too slowly.
You can’t please everyone.
I’m not sure if it was that it moved too slowly as much as there really wasn’t much to do…they’d release a month-long update that lasts only an hour. I wouldn’t mind the new content every 2 weeks, but I don’t want it to disappear every 2 weeks, because that means I have no chance of getting the update items unless I grind for those 2 weeks.
The answer is to overlap it so each piece is there for 4 weeks but the next appears after 2 weeks.
So far the living story has been mostly farming events and completely unconnected to the dragons (who have probably got bored waiting and gone off on holiday).
To be brutally honest I don’t care which, providing they get back to the story lines that came with the game. For that matter how about some stuff from the Orders?, It doesn’t have to advance the story.
A new full area cave system would be nice too, especially if convoluted and on multiple levels. This could be accessed from a present PvE area and be underneath it. An Asuran city that was overrun by destroyers and you have to find some artifacts/weapon parts/plans? Sabotage is always a good option. Each order could have a different reason for going in there.
Perhaps one needs the area cleared out and sends in an intrepid team to do it? A team instance would allow them to bring back vanquishing, albeit for a single area.
Hmm, waffled a bit…sorry.
Expansion is likely to have more permanent content, but even if cumulatively ALL the LS has left a lot of permanent stuffs, it still doesnt change the fact a lot also has been removed after the end of the LS, so yea…prefer expansions.
I would much rather see permanent content, and it doesn’t seem like Anet has any intent of doing that through LS.
I would much rather they evolve the living world rather than progress the game through expansions. It seems a much more natural, evolutionary, and non-cataclysmic method of evolving the world over time. That said, Anet has not shown the ability to evolve the world via story as all we get is a world that comes and goes in fits and starts. If they can’t pull off the evolution of the world then an expansion would be the only alternative. The other negative around an expansion is the possibility of raising the level cap. It’s the worst possible thing they could do so it’s almost assured it will happen with an expansion.
I would much rather they evolve the living world rather than progress the game through expansions. It seems a much more natural, evolutionary, and non-cataclysmic method of evolving the world over time. That said, Anet has not shown the ability to evolve the world via story as all we get is a world that comes and goes in fits and starts. If they can’t pull off the evolution of the world then an expansion would be the only alternative. The other negative around an expansion is the possibility of raising the level cap. It’s the worst possible thing they could do so it’s almost assured it will happen with an expansion.
Well I really hope Anet wouldn’t be that foolish…although there have been many many disappointments over the past year that could be used to debate otherwise. That said, they never raised the level cap in GW1 even though there were 3 expansions, so I wouldn’t see that happening.
One thing to consider in the “should we have expansions versus (whatever)” issue is that, in the past few years, at least some games have started to move away from the whole concept of one big expansion every couple of years. It used to be that you’d wait patiently for the expansion to come out, then actually go to the store, buy a box, take it home, and install the expac via disks. Everything is moving toward downloading now, so there’s less motivation to release one huge chunk of content all at once as opposed to in somewhat smaller chunks on maybe a shorter interval.
LOTRO has been doing something like this. Since the last “in store” expansion of theirs, Mines of Moria, they’ve released two download-only full expacs (Rise of Isengard, Riders of Rohan), one “mini” expac (the Mirkwood zone, plus a few dungeons), and several other single-zone releases that more or less bridged the gap between the previous expac and the next. This is not a game that will be seeing any new races or classes than there were at launch, IMO, but major new mechanics (such as mounted combat) or group content (raids) generally have come with the big releases, while the smaller one-zone releases usually came with a small (5 level) increase in level cap. It’s a nice way of spreading out content, I think.
Another thing to consider is that the LS is what GW2 has where other games have things like seasonal holidays, temporary events to keep existing players logging in, but do not necessarily bring in too many new players. Granted, many of the LS have been more robust than usual MMO holiday “fluff” events, but OTOH no one is buying GW2 for the first time based on the content of one LS update. They might if that update included a new race or profession, since content like that actually has some replay value if you miss the two-week LS window.
TL; DR. “Expansion Packs”/major content updates and LS events need not be mutually exclusive, since they serve different purposes.
not many people voting in your pool though. only 38 votes.
i’ll go with living story style since new content every 2 weeks / 4 weeks is nice.
the achievements chase is not that bad if the achievements can be attempted again in the future. (queen’s gauntlet, super adventure box)
I didn’t vote because I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish.
iN case you don’t know Colin stated in the recent PAX interview that they will absolutely do the stuff associated with an expansion they just have not decided how to deliver it yet:
So you will have both.
Gunnar’s Hold
I didn’t vote because I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish.
iN case you don’t know Colin stated in the recent PAX interview that they will absolutely do the stuff associated with an expansion they just have not decided how to deliver it yet:
So you will have both.
If you read the original post, you would have the answer to your question. I said that I wasn’t trying to accomplish anything. I was curious on what people would rather see. I want to know how many people are actually happy with the current living story, or see if people would rather get content through an expansion if that was the alternative. It’s as simple as being curious. However, if Anet happened to see it, there’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to see some feedback about what their customers are interested in.
so you will have both.
that was my point- and I did read the OP, which is based on a false assumption that we will not have an expansion because of Living Story.
Honestly your post didn’t come across so much as curiosity but rather, I don’t like LS and want an expansion, who is with me?
Also voting will accomplish nothing- the 11000 post thread back in November should tell you this.
did you watch the interview? It should have answered your question.
Gunnar’s Hold
I prefer the Living Story method of content release, as waiting for an expansion and paying for it is less desirable to me. I think it’s great there is always something to look forward to each month.
Also, your initial post is somewhat fallacious. The first update of the month usually lasts the entire 4 weeks, the second patch of the month (done by the same team each month) lasts the remaining 2 weeks.
And…as ArenaNet has stated multiple times, the Living Story method of releasing content in no way precludes the release of new permanent zones, races, skills, weapons, armor or anything else that may or may not be included in the ‘Expansion’ method of delivery. =)
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I prefer the Living Story method of content release, as waiting for an expansion and paying for it is less desirable to me. I think it’s great there is always something to look forward to each month.
Also, your initial post is somewhat fallacious. The first update of the month usually lasts the entire 4 weeks, the second patch of the month (done by the same team each month) lasts the remaining 2 weeks.
And…as ArenaNet has stated multiple times, the Living Story method of releasing content in no way precludes the release of new permanent zones, races, skills, weapons, armor or anything else that may or may not be included in the ‘Expansion’ method of delivery. =)
That gives me either one month to do 2 achievement lists (2 weeks each) or one month to do 1 achievement list…either way, with the amount of time that I play, it’s a grind every two weeks.
Also, although Anet has said that LS is their way of doing an “expansion”. However, so far with this method I have yet to see any good permanent content added with the exception of FotM (although it hasn’t been kept up with), guild missions, and the wallet. The living story to me so far has just been a boring grind every two weeks every time I log on.