Guild Wars 2

I wish I was a ele or engie main right now

runeblade.7514:

Why do people support Ascended Gear anyways? All it is just two weeks of grinding, then the pro-vertical progression people will go back to the forums and complain there is nothing else to progress towards.

This is one of the more perplexing parts of Ascended gear. It solves no problems and creates new ones. Nobody gets super excited over Ascended gear. Some do get really kitten ed about it though. A new Legendary? People really care. New tier of power? Why? Is there a new dungeon difficulty we’re not aware of?

butch.8136:

And gw1 wasn’t a grind? lol it’s all optional, you’ll be able to play the game at any level without ascended gear.

Arguments like this are the death by a thousand cuts. No one cut is a big deal (as people such as yourself are quick to point out), but the next thing you know you have a checklist of bullkitten you do before you start doing anything you enjoy.

etiolate.9185:

runeblade.7514:

Why do people support Ascended Gear anyways? All it is just two weeks of grinding, then the pro-vertical progression people will go back to the forums and complain there is nothing else to progress towards.

This is one of the more perplexing parts of Ascended gear. It solves no problems and creates new ones. Nobody gets super excited over Ascended gear. Some do get really kitten ed about it though. A new Legendary? People really care. New tier of power? Why? Is there a new dungeon difficulty we’re not aware of?

Given the limited and complex methods of obtaining this tier vs the prev BiS exotics, I’d say it’s a veiled attempt at dragging out our time in the game

Truffler.3684:

etiolate.9185:

runeblade.7514:

Why do people support Ascended Gear anyways? All it is just two weeks of grinding, then the pro-vertical progression people will go back to the forums and complain there is nothing else to progress towards.

This is one of the more perplexing parts of Ascended gear. It solves no problems and creates new ones. Nobody gets super excited over Ascended gear. Some do get really kitten ed about it though. A new Legendary? People really care. New tier of power? Why? Is there a new dungeon difficulty we’re not aware of?

Given the limited and complex methods of obtaining this tier vs the prev BiS exotics, I’d say it’s a veiled attempt at dragging out our time in the game

Funny, I think it may have the opposite effect.

Truffler.3684:

etiolate.9185:

runeblade.7514:

Why do people support Ascended Gear anyways? All it is just two weeks of grinding, then the pro-vertical progression people will go back to the forums and complain there is nothing else to progress towards.

This is one of the more perplexing parts of Ascended gear. It solves no problems and creates new ones. Nobody gets super excited over Ascended gear. Some do get really kitten ed about it though. A new Legendary? People really care. New tier of power? Why? Is there a new dungeon difficulty we’re not aware of?

Given the limited and complex methods of obtaining this tier vs the prev BiS exotics, I’d say it’s a veiled attempt at dragging out our time in the game

They’re just putting in more grind into the game to keep you buying gems. All this inconsequential ‘Living Story’ filler probably has a very low dev cost, and is of very low quality. They just don’t care anymore.

TooBz.3065:

butch.8136:

And gw1 wasn’t a grind? lol it’s all optional, you’ll be able to play the game at any level without ascended gear.

Arguments like this are the death by a thousand cuts. No one cut is a big deal (as people such as yourself are quick to point out), but the next thing you know you have a checklist of bullkitten you do before you start doing anything you enjoy.

Eh, I’m careful of extrapolation, and cautiously optimistic of the future instead of worrying it’ll fall downward. Mostly because if it does go to crap I can just walk away and nobody is twisting my arm to make me do the stuff or stay.

Not telling people to leave, but don’t ever blame people for departing unless they kick up a huge fuss. Then it depends, if they kicked up a fuss over something which they could have fixed but chose not to . . . yes, I’ll mock or blame them. If they left because it just wasn’t fun for them anymore? No mocking, no blame, merely “hope the next thing is fun”.

Seriously. Any of you departing to await ESO or whatever it is you head to next? I do hope you have fun with it. I’ll have fun here until it’s no longer fun and then it’s to the next thing. That’s how I approach my games, because my life is too complicated to play games I don’t want to.

Remember the time when they said that Ascended gear was to “bridge the gap between Exotics and Legendaries”? Ahahaha. Such a funny and great time. I mean, it’s not like you literally need to waste materials that you would be using on your Legendaries in order to craft the Ascended gear.. right?

SkylightMoon.1980:

Lindsey mentioned this in the video, but I thought I would as well. A lot of comments I saw worried about grind and what not and how it was going to take them a month or more for their asc weapon. But she explicitly said it would take two weeks to get a weapon.

I honestly don’t see why its such a big complaint at the ascended crafting if its only 2 weeks. Amulets can take a month!!! If you don’t obtain laurels through achievement chests.

How many chars and weapons with each one you have? How many builds do you have? Do the math. If this isn’t grind, I do not know what is it.

Also, ascended trinkets weren’t a must have. (now they’ll become a lot more powerful with ascended weapons).

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

TooBz.3065:

butch.8136:

And gw1 wasn’t a grind? lol it’s all optional, you’ll be able to play the game at any level without ascended gear.

Arguments like this are the death by a thousand cuts. No one cut is a big deal (as people such as yourself are quick to point out), but the next thing you know you have a checklist of bullkitten you do before you start doing anything you enjoy.

Eh, I’m careful of extrapolation, and cautiously optimistic of the future instead of worrying it’ll fall downward. Mostly because if it does go to crap I can just walk away and nobody is twisting my arm to make me do the stuff or stay.

Not telling people to leave, but don’t ever blame people for departing unless they kick up a huge fuss. Then it depends, if they kicked up a fuss over something which they could have fixed but chose not to . . . yes, I’ll mock or blame them. If they left because it just wasn’t fun for them anymore? No mocking, no blame, merely “hope the next thing is fun”.

Seriously. Any of you departing to await ESO or whatever it is you head to next? I do hope you have fun with it. I’ll have fun here until it’s no longer fun and then it’s to the next thing. That’s how I approach my games, because my life is too complicated to play games I don’t want to.

I completely agree. Different people have different thresholds of fun. I admit there’s a little bitterness right now. I did everything I could to offer suggestions as to how this didn’t have to be this bad, I feel ignored.

Michael.7943:

I wish I was a ele or engie main right now

Me too

SafiMoyo.5130:

Let’s say you use two sets of 1 handed weapons. That’s 4 weapons, which is 8 weeks of work for one build on one character.

I mean, it is a serious time investment. If you want alternate builds, you’ll have to just forget about it. I have, and I play one character, so it’s all very managable to me. But I swap weapons a lot on this one character, so getting my LB, SB, sword, axe, GS, and warhorn back is going to take a lot of time (and I’m just going to forget about the torch and dagger).

I don’t have the time for multi characters, nor the bank space and time for multi builds.

Spot on I’d really like to see an anet rep justify this.

Michael.7943:

They’re just putting in more grind into the game to keep you buying gems. All this inconsequential ‘Living Story’ filler probably has a very low dev cost, and is of very low quality. They just don’t care anymore.

Low quality? Do you mean the story, the material in game itself, or the art assets? Because I thought the art and models were (mostly) really nice. Also, the dev cost is probably the same whether or not the quality is good or poor or the best thing since Al Gore invented the Internet.

You know what will keep me buying gems though? Useful things or fun distractions. Given I’ve only bought gems once for each infinite harvesting tool and once more for bank space? I don’t think I really “wasted” my gems, which is what I’d feel if I had bought, oh, the flute or some Black Lion Keys.

Well, I personally did want ascended weapons/armour for some character progression but this all sucks…

Its just mindless (kitten) boring crafting and messing about with a fresh load of made up materials…

I would have preferred fighting a dragon, going on a epic quest, perhaps a epic personal story but no just collect x, y , z, w mix with a, b, c, d. Minus lots of gold, plus time and yippee you have a ascended weapon.

Now repeat for every weapon a warrior has (loads), then do the same with your other 7 characters…

MASSIVE FAIL OF TRUELY EPIC PROPORTIONS…

SLOW CLAP FOR ANET…

rjnemer.7816:

Akari Storm.6809:

rjnemer.7816:

cesmode.4257:

Such a horrible move for the game. So disgusted right now. Done.

This gives me a good opportunity to continue playing some other games.

Why? Everything in this game is either given to you or you are hand held all the way there.

IMO the only way to get ascended weps should be fotm 48.

If it were skins I’d agree, but it’s a new tier of gear and everyone doesn’t like fractals.

So? Why are players so entitled?

Honestly, Id be completely OK with it being only obtainable in highest level fractals(48+). This would mean that it is nearly exclusive to fractals so that only high level fractal runners get it…i.e. the people that are only concerned with vertical progression. That way, the rest of us lemmings wont need to worry about being so outgeared(omg, yes it will and does make a difference) in WvW, or feel underpowered in dungeons.

5-10% compounded on many gear slots DOES make a difference. Id be completely ok with a small % of the community, the high fractal runners, being the only ones that get it. The rest of the 90% will be without, and we’d be content.

morrolan.9608:

SafiMoyo.5130:

Let’s say you use two sets of 1 handed weapons. That’s 4 weapons, which is 8 weeks of work for one build on one character.

I mean, it is a serious time investment. If you want alternate builds, you’ll have to just forget about it. I have, and I play one character, so it’s all very managable to me. But I swap weapons a lot on this one character, so getting my LB, SB, sword, axe, GS, and warhorn back is going to take a lot of time (and I’m just going to forget about the torch and dagger).

I don’t have the time for multi characters, nor the bank space and time for multi builds.

Spot on I’d really like to see an anet rep justify this.

I recognize that weapon type list . . .

I could see the response now: "Stop playing rangers :P "

Though honestly, I’d probably pick one weapon I use the most and pick that up first, the alternate I use the most second, and then quietly work on the others with no pressure. Notably, I don’t think I’d really do much for off-hand gear . . . my torch doesn’t need to be top slot and my warhorn isn’t used for damage at all

You also need 100 each of stuff like Dragonite Ore and Bloodstone Dust. Now, I don’t know how many will drop from a world boss, but I’m guessing not that much, so you’re looking at grinding quite a bit of dungeons, world bosses, champs, and do quite a bit of WvW to get your mats.

I am simply a player that likes to have BiS gear, and then enjoy the game…not having to worry about anything else other than my enjoyment. Thats how I wanted to approach this game. The time gated nature of this means that if I don’t take care of what I need to each day, Im behind the curve. I’ll feel obligated to log in each day to get my daily-crafted-junk done…like I initially felt with Laurels and dailys. I already feel obligated to get all LS achievements done for AP just to get to the next threshold for gold, account bonuses, and skins. I like being rewarded for the AP, but it also has a negative side too.

Im feeling a bit too obligated to do things in a game where it was touted that we could play how we want. For this reason, the game is beginning to cease to be fun for me, and more of a “hurry get it done before its gone” or a “hurry, get the BiS gear before the next guy does”. Just..not fun for me anymore, which sucks because I did like this game.

Edit: While Arenanet claims to be working on a scavenger hunt for legendaries..some long series of things that we would need to do to get a precursor, they clearly haven’t learned from their mistakes. Making the player accumulate tons of materials, items, currencies to make something does not make a fun experience. Its more of the journey, the memories you make along the way. Grinding your way to X amount of T7 materials and/or whatever else needed hardly provides for that experience. Clearly, they just haven’t learned their lesson. Why should I continue to financially support a company that doesn’t learn from its monumental mistakes?

cesmode.4257:

I am simply a player that likes to have BiS gear, and then enjoy the game…not having to worry about anything else other than my enjoyment. Thats how I wanted to approach this game. The time gated nature of this means that if I don’t take care of what I need to each day, Im behind the curve. I’ll feel obligated to log in each day to get my daily-crafted-junk done…like I initially felt with Laurels and dailys. I already feel obligated to get all LS achievements done for AP just to get to the next threshold for gold, account bonuses, and skins. I like being rewarded for the AP, but it also has a negative side too.

Im feeling a bit too obligated to do things in a game where it was touted that we could play how we want. For this reason, the game is beginning to cease to be fun for me, and more of a “hurry get it done before its gone” or a “hurry, get the BiS gear before the next guy does”. Just..not fun for me anymore, which sucks because I did like this game.

I feel exactly the same way. +1

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Michael.7943:

They’re just putting in more grind into the game to keep you buying gems. All this inconsequential ‘Living Story’ filler probably has a very low dev cost, and is of very low quality. They just don’t care anymore.

Low quality? Do you mean the story, the material in game itself, or the art assets? Because I thought the art and models were (mostly) really nice. Also, the dev cost is probably the same whether or not the quality is good or poor or the best thing since Al Gore invented the Internet.

You know what will keep me buying gems though? Useful things or fun distractions. Given I’ve only bought gems once for each infinite harvesting tool and once more for bank space? I don’t think I really “wasted” my gems, which is what I’d feel if I had bought, oh, the flute or some Black Lion Keys.

Love the art direction no complaints there, but the living story updates are stale gameplay wise. I’m also not counting the quality of life features as part of the living story btw.

Michael.7943:

I wish I was a ele or engie main right now

Nope, because kits and bundles don’t get their weapon strength updated, so even if you have the ascended weapons you will still be weaker using any kind of kit/bundle.

anet vs the player

Anymore time gating then we might as well call this Wartune 2. :P

Shudders

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

Not sure if I missed this in the video, but according to Dulfy, there will also be a chance for Ascended Weapons to drop anywhere that Ascended Materials drop. I would think that would make a pretty big difference in the potential grind for people considering making 5+ of these.

Also, since it looks like the materials near the end of the crafting process are unbound, the two week timer may not actually be two weeks at all. Really need to start playing with this first hand to see how it all shakes out.

KingClash.3186:

Anymore time gating then we might as well call this Wartune 2. :P

Shudders

Oh crap you play that too? And I use the loosest form of “play”.

. . . do you understand why I laugh a lot when people try claiming “P2W” on GW? Or “too grindy”?

To be fair I only play it because my brother does, and we play together. For the moment.

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

silvermember.8941:

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

Only the ingots from what I see in Dulfy. The REAL important ones (dragonite ore, bloodstone dust, etc.) are account bound, and can only be obtained in very specific places. Plus you need 100 each of them.

Pile of Bloodstone Dust, Account Bound (Refines into Bloodstone Bricks, requires Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Champion loot bags
Dragonite Ore, Account Bound (Refines into dragonite ingots, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from Temple chests in Orr, Megabosses, and Keeps and Castles in WvW.
Empyreal Fragments, Account Bound (Refines into Empyreal Stars, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from dungeons, mini-dungeons, jumping puzzles and camps/towers in WvW.
Glob of Dark Matter, Account Bound – Obtained only from salvaging exotics.
Augur’s Stone, Account Bound – Purchased for skill points from Miyani near the mystic forge. Costs 20 skill points.
Thermocatalytic Regeants – Brought from vendors (10 for 14 silver 96 copper)

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

KingClash.3186:

Anymore time gating then we might as well call this Wartune 2. :P

Shudders

Oh crap you play that too? And I use the loosest form of “play”.

. . . do you understand why I laugh a lot when people try claiming “P2W” on GW? Or “too grindy”?

To be fair I only play it because my brother does, and we play together. For the moment.

Haha yeah a friend of mine who owns a Google-Machine that can only play Facebook games wanted me to try it, played it for about 4 hours until i watched him play on his lvl 60 toon and I was just freaking out that he puts up with that kinda of time gating by the triple digit hours to do a menial daily (weekly that was once daily?) task O_O.

My concern is what if other people will start to view GW2 this way also.. Because its getting similar.

Shifu.4321:

silvermember.8941:

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

Only the ingots from what I see in Dulfy. The REAL important ones (dragonite ore, bloodstone dust, etc.) are account bound, and can only be obtained in very specific places. Plus you need 100 each of them.

Pile of Bloodstone Dust, Account Bound (Refines into Bloodstone Bricks, requires Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Champion loot bags
Dragonite Ore, Account Bound (Refines into dragonite ingots, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from Temple chests in Orr, Megabosses, and Keeps and Castles in WvW.
Empyreal Fragments, Account Bound (Refines into Empyreal Stars, Artifice/Huntsman/Weaponsmith 450) – Comes from dungeons, mini-dungeons, jumping puzzles and camps/towers in WvW.
Glob of Dark Matter, Account Bound – Obtained only from salvaging exotics.
Augur’s Stone, Account Bound – Purchased for skill points from Miyani near the mystic forge. Costs 20 skill points.
Thermocatalytic Regeants – Brought from vendors (10 for 14 silver 96 copper)

well it sucks to be you then. (I probably wont bother just like I havent bothered with ascended gear except for 1 piece). i hope it drops for me then (which it can drop).

Haven’t seen anyone mention here that the Dulfy guide says ascended armor crafting will be coming later this year.

Chuo.4238:

rjnemer.7816:

cesmode.4257:

Such a horrible move for the game. So disgusted right now. Done.

This gives me a good opportunity to continue playing some other games.

Why? Everything in this game is either given to you or you are hand held all the way there.

IMO the only way to get ascended weps should be fotm 48.

Enjoy that mindless, repetitive grind, then. No reason to engage the brain. Just do the same thing…48 Times.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Fractals are the 2nd most brain engaging thing in the game (behind pvp). Yeah there is only a certain amount of fractals in the game but thats only because anet refuses to add to them and instead preferring to add more boring zerg content. NOW THAT IS MINDLESS.

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

TooBz.3065:

cesmode.4257:

I am simply a player that likes to have BiS gear, and then enjoy the game…not having to worry about anything else other than my enjoyment. Thats how I wanted to approach this game. The time gated nature of this means that if I don’t take care of what I need to each day, Im behind the curve. I’ll feel obligated to log in each day to get my daily-crafted-junk done…like I initially felt with Laurels and dailys. I already feel obligated to get all LS achievements done for AP just to get to the next threshold for gold, account bonuses, and skins. I like being rewarded for the AP, but it also has a negative side too.

Im feeling a bit too obligated to do things in a game where it was touted that we could play how we want. For this reason, the game is beginning to cease to be fun for me, and more of a “hurry get it done before its gone” or a “hurry, get the BiS gear before the next guy does”. Just..not fun for me anymore, which sucks because I did like this game.

I feel exactly the same way. +1

+2. This is exactly how I feel. I won’t have fun any more, since I bought the game I feel more and more obliged to login. You login or you miss the living world, you login or you miss the daylies, you login or you miss your charged quartz… Now, you login you and farm like hell or you won’t have ONE ascended weapon every 2 weeks… How nice is that?

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

People keep saying gear treadmil but I doubt they know what it actually means. If you want to know what a gear threadmill is hit up DCUO, that makes this game look like a kitten.

I might not enjoy the ascended process but I certainly have the option of not playing the game and moving on, if I feel strongly about ascended gear.

KingClash.3186:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

KingClash.3186:

Anymore time gating then we might as well call this Wartune 2. :P

Shudders

Oh crap you play that too? And I use the loosest form of “play”.

. . . do you understand why I laugh a lot when people try claiming “P2W” on GW? Or “too grindy”?

To be fair I only play it because my brother does, and we play together. For the moment.

Haha yeah a friend of mine who owns a Google-Machine that can only play Facebook games wanted me to try it, played it for about 4 hours until i watched him play on his lvl 60 toon and I was just freaking out that he puts up with that kinda of time gating by the triple digit hours to do a menial daily (weekly that was once daily?) task O_O.

My concern is what if other people will start to view GW2 this way also.. Because its getting similar.

Must be upgrades to stuff? Wartune has a vehicle for dealing with that, it’s called “Pay us $8/mo to be VIP” and it has other perks attached. Really it’s a subscription fee to not have to timegate, but it only gets rid of SOME. There’s the regular schedule of events on the server (oh, you were late 10 minutes? Too bad, either wait for tomorrow or try the other time…) and there’s a limit to how many attempts you can make at dungeons per day (without necessarily succeeding, you’re still counted at starting it) . . .

Why do I put up with it?

I consider it self-education on these types of games and the mechanics they’re using. $8/mo isn’t bad for a peek under the hood and a chance to occasionally talk with other people playing about the mechanics and what they think of it. I do the same with GW2 when I’m in the mood for it – look at things and go “now why do it this way?”.

Assuming of course it’s not just some developer wanting to screw with you. I mean, for that I just need to go find IWTBTG . . .

Wait wait wait!
You grinded 2weeks invasions without sleeping etc and Now you complain for 2weeks needed for ascended weapons? O.o

silvermember.8941:

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

People keep saying gear treadmil but I doubt they know what it actually means. If you want to know what a gear threadmill is hit up DCUO, that makes this game look like a kitten.

Gear treadmill? EverQuest post Planes of Power. And inflating stats on items, too! But there’s always other games to compare to when what we probably should stick to (and be sane about it) is what we’ve got in front of us. We all have probably seen worse examples of anything in this game, or better examples . . .

Try to focus on this. And it’s not a “gear treadmill” until they move out another set of stats higher than this you MUST HAVE to keep going . . .

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

Keep in mind the forum community is the only voice Anet has to listen to good or bad. Most people in game don’t even know what the forums are considering they don’t read patch notes and freak out when something changes “all the sudden”;
or they just don’t visit them unless they have something to say.

Once it happens there will be a bigger outcry unfortunately just wait and see.

In my experience the general thought process of players is about the same on the forums as it is in JQ map chats, my guild of 500 members, and in numerous comments like on reddit and youtube.

KingClash.3186:

Keep in mind the forum community is the only voice Anet has to listen to good or bad. Most people in game don’t even know what the forums are considering they don’t read patch notes and freak out when something changes “all the sudden”;
or they just don’t visit them unless they have something to say.

Once it happens there will be a bigger outcry unfortunately just wait and see.

In my experience the general thought process of players is about the same on the forums as it is in JQ map chats, my guild of 500 members, and in numerous comments like on reddit and youtube.

Incorrect.

There are ANet people who play the game, both on their official accounts and incognito. They can hear on the game what’s going wrong or what people think. They also prowl Reddit regularly too, and probably read emails or other messages sent to them.

The trick is for them to filter the people making serious complaints versus those who make them just to troll, those who make it without understanding what they’re complaining about, and those who complain but don’t play at all.

And the problem is a lot of people who don’t read this stuff, don’t think they have to, and thus are not informed of what’s coming thus don’t have the opportunity (or so they’ll say) of voicing dissent.

Shifu.4321:

silvermember.8941:

Shifu.4321:

They should just make most of the mats tradeable. I play only around 2 hours most days now, and the likelihood that I will miss something like a dragon boss or a temple is quite high.

MOst of the mats are tradeable.

Only the ingots from what I see in Dulfy. The REAL important ones (dragonite ore, bloodstone dust, etc.) are account bound, and can only be obtained in very specific places. Plus you need 100 each of them.

100! One would hope that we get a substantial amount per drop. But I’m not holding my breath. So maybe its 2 weeks at a minimum but the average time to craft 1 weapon will end up being significantly longer.

SkylightMoon.1980:

I think you’re all overreacting, since I don’t know whether its gated per account or per character. GW2 isn’t in the gear treadmill stage yet, so no reason to call it that. It will be if we get another gear type after ascended though within the next year, but I doubt that. The only gear type we’ll get after ascended is legendary, but that won’t be this year so no worries.

Some people like gated content, or just don’t mind it at all. The forums are the only place ive really heard complaints. In game, I dont see any complaints from people. Only goes to show the difference between the two communities.

Why shouldn’t people be upset about having a game sold to them making one claim and then Anet simply just changes their design direction a few short months after the game is released. If they simply made ascended gear obtainable through multiple avenues like the exotics currently are (ie, dungeon tokens, karma etc etc) there would be much less “complaining”. Whether or not it is a treadmill is not so relevant as it is definitely vertical progression as opposed to the horizontal progression that was promised. You can say they won’t add another tier of gear after ascended but you simply don’t know if that will hold true or not since Anet already introduced this tier after the introduction of the game. The only way to send a clear message that not everyone is ok with vertical progression is to voice our opinion of the matter. If people want “progression” in the game make it cosmetic, make it character related but don’t make it BiS gear progression, that goes against everything GW2 was sold as.

darkace.8925:

SkylightMoon.1980:

I honestly don’t see why its such a big complaint at the ascended crafting if its only 2 weeks. Amulets can take a month!!! If you don’t obtain laurels through achievement chests.

It’s two weeks…for ONE weapon. That leaves those of use who use both weapon slots, those of use who dual wield, and those of us with multiple characters once again running the time-gated treadmill. So much for this game not having gear treadmills.

My warrior has exotic berserker versions of 8 weapons and 1 rampager one. Sixteen weeks to get back to where I am now, 18 if I do the harpoon gun. Then there are my six other exotic-geared characters. And let’s not forget that that two weeks is going to involve getting a lot of different mats, and some RNG. The two week estimate looks like an outlier best-case scenario to me.

My main complaint is that it’s an incredible bore to get these ascended. WoW had a bigger treadmill, but you had a modicum of fun trying to learn raids, get bosses down to pay, and perfect what you do. I don’t look forward to participating in the massive lagfests that world bosses will become (even greater than they were before).

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

AlietteFaye.7316:

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

LOL.

No people like to overreact but that is not true. maybe in 1v1 fights but the game wasn’t balance in the first place around 1v1 that is moot.

When you are sieging the biggest threat is siege weapons and zergs, in a zerg ascended weapons are not the things that will decide who wins or loses.

silvermember.8941:

AlietteFaye.7316:

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

LOL.

No people like to overreact but that is not true. maybe in 1v1 fights but the game wasn’t balance in the first place around 1v1 that is moot.

When you are sieging the biggest threat is siege weapons and zergs, in a zerg ascended weapons are not the things that will decide who wins or loses.

Fair enough, but there are several small scale fights that happen where that does turn the tides. Not every server has full queues where massive zergs are on every borderland and EB, and that effects them pretty drastically.

AlietteFaye.7316:

silvermember.8941:

AlietteFaye.7316:

Vorch.2985:

I remember people thinking that ascended would change the balance of WvW forever…
…then 2 weeks later complain that WvW was static.

I remember people complaining that crafting was useless…
…and now complaining that it’s the only method of obtaining these items.

Oh, forgot…these are MMO forums. You certainly have the right to complain. Carry on.

You know that people were talking about the future of WvW being changed by Ascended gear, right? Which they were right about. The new stats are going to the difference between winning and losing what would have been an even fight.

And crafting is still going to be useless. Do you understand why it’s useless as it is now? Because after you get the highest gear you can from it, there’s nothing else to do with crafting. That exact same thing will happen when people have Ascended Weapons. They will return to not using crafting because there is no use for them.

LOL.

No people like to overreact but that is not true. maybe in 1v1 fights but the game wasn’t balance in the first place around 1v1 that is moot.

When you are sieging the biggest threat is siege weapons and zergs, in a zerg ascended weapons are not the things that will decide who wins or loses.

Fair enough, but there are several small scale fights that happen where that does turn the tides. Not every server has full queues where massive zergs are on every borderland and EB, and that effects them pretty drastically.

Small scale fights well nice are the the essense of WvW in theory. Either ways you don’t get points for individual fights but for taking stuff.

Either ways it is too early to make a judgment call because the same thing was said about Accessories and that didn’t change the playing field.

SkylightMoon.1980:

I honestly don’t see why its such a big complaint at the ascended crafting if its only 2 weeks. Amulets can take a month!!! If you don’t obtain laurels through achievement chests.

Because patch day is on Tuesday and if you don’t have all the new shinies by Wednesday then someone else could have it before you do! And that would mean that you’re not winning the game!

The horrors! It’s the end of the world, cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria!