Guild Wars 2

yLoon.5289:

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Yup, I can understand OP. Happened to me before after helping bunch of noobs in CoE. Well that is nothing if were to compare to fractal. Its infuriating when you got kicked on the last fractal stage, isnt it?

Well here’s what I’m proposing, what if Arena set a rule whereby at the end of a dungeon/fractal, the kick player function will not be available ?

Then you’ll get the trolls who do decent throughout the dungeon, but purposely fail the last one just to spite people. And can’t be kicked.

If someone gets kicked, what happens? Kickers find a member more in their play style, kickee finds a party more in their play style. Anger/annoyance for a few minutes and people get over it. What if you can’t kick? You’re forced to stick with people you don’t want to be with and endure hours of frustration and boredom.

Well, clearly you do not read properly of what i wrote, i said NEAR ending a dungeon. Let me clarify abit here, near ending a dungeon could be at the final boss perhaps? Or are you too thick i need to further elaborate?
If someone do not suit your playstyle, i bet you are smart enough to notice that in the starting of dungeon.

Hence “endure hours of frustration and boredom”<——this comments of yours is not valid.

Wow, no need to get so heated, simmer down.

And yes, it’s still valid, because the human mind work in funny ways. We like rewards. Would you yourself stay with a terrible party leader, if you think it’s almost over? You already invested so much time you might as well stay for a bit longer anyway. You wouldn’t want all your hard work to come up for naught, by just leaving the party.

Is it equally fair to the party members to put up with a bad party leader, on a dungeon they worked kitten together when the leader could have been all willy-nilly? No, I don’t think that’s fair at all.

If you want a laid-back party, put that in the description. You’ll get a fun party. Everyone’s happy.

There is a need for Party Leader to be able to be kicked off the party.
Gw2 party system is actually the best so far I’ve seen in games.

When party leader is stupid, and rest is fine, then why not kick him instead of everyone leaving?

DonQuack.9025:

laokoko.7403:

Worse case scenario is no one agree with me if I initiate a kick, so I either just suck it up or remove myself from the group.

And you are saying that is fine. Infact you are encouraging people not reading and complying with lfg requests.

Sucking it up? Teaching them that they can join groups and people will accept it and carry them.
You leaving? Youre not telling them they are in the wrong. Youre bowing to their will. Accept me or you leave.

Encouraging bullying. plain and simple. arguably terrorism too

Quite honestly, it is still a majority rule society.

I rarely do initiate a kick. Because for example “experience players only” can be interpret many ways. Some one may felt they are experienced because they done the dodging tutorial in the beginners area.

That being said, when the party description clearly says require 40 agony resistance, and someone is dying just standing there, I would initiate a kick. But if the other 3 people don’t agree with me, there is nothing I can do. And that actually happens quite often.

I understand there are people getting kicked for no reason, that is why they are asking for party leader system back. But the problem with that is other people arn’t being protected.

And as Tao says, it can lead to abuse. Because the party leader knows he’ll never be kicked and act anyway he want.

How is it proper when a person that is ‘just learning’ to play this game and the micro-minimal population shares an interest, so they initiate a LFG to find others to only be kicked because of lack of efficient performance or proper answer if questioned?? Lets flip that formula…what do you know, the same result…THIS IS MORE ABOUT THEM NOT YOU…

It is SICKENING that you people insist that your ‘self entitlement’ to be in any party you pop into is directly proportional to the entitlement with the ability of ‘logging in’…

you people probably believe you have the right to drive…

NO. Then there wouldnt be kick vote at all .

2 days ago some dude made party for some dung he said all levels. Some 40 lv joined for dungeon and he started to vote kick that 40lv. We all refused and he started to vote kick all other members, we all refused and i started vote kick for him and we kicked him out. Some other guy came and we did dungeon in 10-15 mins normally. 40 lv was gratefull after that.

Ragnarox.9601:

NO. Then there wouldnt be kick vote at all .

2 days ago some dude made party for some dung he said all levels. Some 40 lv joined for dungeon and he started to vote kick that 40lv. We all refused and he started to vote kick all other members, we all refused and i started vote kick for him and we kicked him out. Some other guy came and we did dungeon in 10-15 mins normally. 40 lv was gratefull after that.

~you see, that is like murder of a salesperson…and that is BS, that needs to change.

BillX.4987:

How is it proper when a person that is ‘just learning’ to play this game and the micro-minimal population shares an interest, so they initiate a LFG to find others to only be kicked because of lack of efficient performance or proper answer if questioned?? Lets flip that formula…what do you know, the same result…THIS IS MORE ABOUT THEM NOT YOU…

It is SICKENING that you people insist that your ‘self entitlement’ to be in any party you pop into is directly proportional to the entitlement with the ability of ‘logging in’…

you people probably believe you have the right to drive…

Maybe you haven’t noticed, saw or even realized but there are also plenty of LFG groups that share a notice like
“First timers”
Also, it doesn’t hurt if you’re first timer and say so or ask if you can tag and learn.
I have no problem if someone who’s joining my party will say openly that he’s first timer.
Problem is when people keep silent and you wipe, because everyone expect party to be experienced and know what to do and when to do. Meanwhile, if party is notified that there is someone inexperienced, someone will tell what to do and when in party chat.
I hardly meet people who feel hurt if they’ll spend 30 seconds more on one Path of Dungeon.

Party owners having immunity allows reverse abuse as well… IE they’re automatically not bootable even if they don’t adhere to their own party standards. What’s stopping me from making a fractal group when I don’t meet the standards myself, and forcing people to be subject to my short comings?

Example:

I ran fractals with a friend, I was told I needed 20 AR. I had 20 AR, I died some and we got to the final boss level fractal and the Agony there annihilated me. I wasn’t paying attention and finally read the fractal level I was on, and it was a lvl 39 fractal. I had nowhere near enough AR to do it. What if I had made that party and was playing with strangers?

My “just enough to get by” playing for that fractal probably wouldn’t have warranted a kick in the first level, but if I wasn’t playing with friends then I believe it would have. If I made the group, I would be exempt from being kicked simply because I created it? Completely asinine!

Everyone should be subject to kicking, and everyone should be able to kick. Why should you be exempt because you created it? Maybe you’re really bad? Maybe you don’t listen? Maybe you asked for a group higher than your level of expertise? All warrantable kicks, imo.

I run dungeons constantly, and I have never once ran into an issue where I got kicked from a party I set up. This leads me to believe that you were not honest about your skill levels.

IndigoSundown.5419

Risk? What risk?

Giving a player power over another player’s experience in an online game is never a good thing. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, but LFG party creation is not one of those times.

So.. why is a pair of people allowed to have control over my experience? It’s not even majority rule. In order to protect myself, I have to find four people I trust to prevent a group hijacking.

And “guild up”? Yeah, I’m still working on that. It’s not so easy to find a dungeon guild that isn’t zerkspeedrunlol.

@Angel.6085

~I can’t help feel that your answering your own questions, you’ve validated the issue…

It’s as if abandoning a group one was not initially in and blocking those they rather avoid is some cardinal sin and ‘self entitlement’ should be the driving force to regulate clash of interests…

The issue is the freedom to violate a principle which is selfish, greedy, an exploit, calloused and blatantly not fair…the points are 2-0:

People against ‘Party Leader’ want TWO things> Everyone kicks anyone at their discretion AND the freedom to join any party with whatever and do so…

People that support ‘Party Leader immunity with final kick decision after party requests’ just want ONE THING> For people to read, understand and adhere to the message posted on LFG system (which we all know WILL NOT BE RESPECTED) OR for people to be unable to kick them from the party that they have initiated WHENEVER therefore attaining control of the party for WHATEVER reason…

It’s supposed to be: LFG or GLFM…not: “CHUMMING THE WATERS!”

If you threw a party/social gathering in your home and unwelcomed guests arrived be it word of mouth, lights and music, however…must I go on?

…and for the record this is not about me and making it so tells me your just another clown jerk trying to cover his butt because I’ve metaphorically called the police…

Rauderi.8706:

IndigoSundown.5419

Risk? What risk?

Giving a player power over another player’s experience in an online game is never a good thing. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, but LFG party creation is not one of those times.

So.. why is a pair of people allowed to have control over my experience? It’s not even majority rule. In order to protect myself, I have to find four people I trust to prevent a group hijacking.

And “guild up”? Yeah, I’m still working on that. It’s not so easy to find a dungeon guild that isn’t zerkspeedrunlol.

Wouldn’t that be three people? I’m presuming you won’t ruin your own group…

I’m not exactly a fan of the minority kick feature, either. Then again, I’ve never been fond of in-game tools that have the potential to be used for griefing — especially in the name of convenience. I’d rather be inconvenienced myself so that someone else’s experience isn’t ruined — but I recognize I can’t make that decision for everyone.

Simple solution – you can only leave – there is no kick option. If someone goes offline, they’re automatically removed from the party.

This would probably be the least troll-able system possible.

@stale.9785

~tbh, I’m really for anything that keeps trash from dumping us…

BillX.4987:

People that support ‘Party Leader immunity with final kick decision after party requests’ just want ONE THING> For people to read, understand and adhere to the message posted on LFG system (which we all know WILL NOT BE RESPECTED) OR for people to be unable to kick them from the party that they have initiated WHENEVER therefore attaining control of the party for WHATEVER reason…

How does leader having immunity even help in that situation.

If you think someone isn’t adhere by the leader’s LFG description, you can already initiate a kick.

The problem is no one listen to the party leader. If no one listen to the party leader, you still can’t kick the person who you think should be kick out.

Someone’s example previously already showed it. Some leader want to kick a low level players, no one listened to him, so leader start getting angry and irritated the group so he got kicked out instead.

Either if the party leader got kicked in this situation. The person that don’t adhere by the LFG description still isn’t getting kicked.

Let’s say I’m a leader of fractal group and stated X agony resistance only. And found out someone actually dont’ have any agony resistance, so I tried a kick. The problem is if no one agree with me, “I STILL CAN’T KICK HIM”. How does having immunity actually helps on kicking that person out? It don’t right?

READ Iaokoko, READ LIKE THE WIIIND…

BillX.4987:

READ Iaokoko, READ LIKE THE WIIIND…

I dont’ know, I either have reading problem, or I just can’t understand you.

If you want to kick someone and no one agree with you, you still can’t kick him. How does you having an immunity helps.

If I’m wrong, fill free to explain.

~fair enough, truth is I’m tired of talking about this and just updating/editing the crap out of my OP. Please feel free and read slow sentence by sentence…a dictionary may help, never fear mind expansion man

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Yup, I can understand OP. Happened to me before after helping bunch of noobs in CoE. Well that is nothing if were to compare to fractal. Its infuriating when you got kicked on the last fractal stage, isnt it?

Well here’s what I’m proposing, what if Arena set a rule whereby at the end of a dungeon/fractal, the kick player function will not be available ?

Then you’ll get the trolls who do decent throughout the dungeon, but purposely fail the last one just to spite people. And can’t be kicked.

If someone gets kicked, what happens? Kickers find a member more in their play style, kickee finds a party more in their play style. Anger/annoyance for a few minutes and people get over it. What if you can’t kick? You’re forced to stick with people you don’t want to be with and endure hours of frustration and boredom.

Well, clearly you do not read properly of what i wrote, i said NEAR ending a dungeon. Let me clarify abit here, near ending a dungeon could be at the final boss perhaps? Or are you too thick i need to further elaborate?
If someone do not suit your playstyle, i bet you are smart enough to notice that in the starting of dungeon.

Hence “endure hours of frustration and boredom”<——this comments of yours is not valid.

Wow, no need to get so heated, simmer down.

And yes, it’s still valid, because the human mind work in funny ways. We like rewards. Would you yourself stay with a terrible party leader, if you think it’s almost over? You already invested so much time you might as well stay for a bit longer anyway. You wouldn’t want all your hard work to come up for naught, by just leaving the party.

Is it equally fair to the party members to put up with a bad party leader, on a dungeon they worked kitten together when the leader could have been all willy-nilly? No, I don’t think that’s fair at all.

If you want a laid-back party, put that in the description. You’ll get a fun party. Everyone’s happy.

Sure, its valid if you need more than hours to finish off a final boss. lol

yLoon.5289:

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Yup, I can understand OP. Happened to me before after helping bunch of noobs in CoE. Well that is nothing if were to compare to fractal. Its infuriating when you got kicked on the last fractal stage, isnt it?

Well here’s what I’m proposing, what if Arena set a rule whereby at the end of a dungeon/fractal, the kick player function will not be available ?

Then you’ll get the trolls who do decent throughout the dungeon, but purposely fail the last one just to spite people. And can’t be kicked.

If someone gets kicked, what happens? Kickers find a member more in their play style, kickee finds a party more in their play style. Anger/annoyance for a few minutes and people get over it. What if you can’t kick? You’re forced to stick with people you don’t want to be with and endure hours of frustration and boredom.

Well, clearly you do not read properly of what i wrote, i said NEAR ending a dungeon. Let me clarify abit here, near ending a dungeon could be at the final boss perhaps? Or are you too thick i need to further elaborate?
If someone do not suit your playstyle, i bet you are smart enough to notice that in the starting of dungeon.

Hence “endure hours of frustration and boredom”<——this comments of yours is not valid.

Wow, no need to get so heated, simmer down.

And yes, it’s still valid, because the human mind work in funny ways. We like rewards. Would you yourself stay with a terrible party leader, if you think it’s almost over? You already invested so much time you might as well stay for a bit longer anyway. You wouldn’t want all your hard work to come up for naught, by just leaving the party.

Is it equally fair to the party members to put up with a bad party leader, on a dungeon they worked kitten together when the leader could have been all willy-nilly? No, I don’t think that’s fair at all.

If you want a laid-back party, put that in the description. You’ll get a fun party. Everyone’s happy.

Sure, its valid if you need more than hours to finish off a final boss. lol

You know, now I think you’re just trolling. I was about to give a decent reply, but stopped, realized how pointless this argument was delving to, and can sum up a really good example of a really bad party:

Mai Trin. Yeah. That’ll work out well.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Wouldn’t that be three people? I’m presuming you won’t ruin your own group…

I’m not exactly a fan of the minority kick feature, either. Then again, I’ve never been fond of in-game tools that have the potential to be used for griefing — especially in the name of convenience. I’d rather be inconvenienced myself so that someone else’s experience isn’t ruined — but I recognize I can’t make that decision for everyone.

Including myself. kitten . Good catch. =P

I’ll be honest, I’d go back to LFG if it were majority kickvote, like it’s supposed to be. The odds of getting three coordinated trolls is a lot lower. It’s also easier to find one friend + one stray guildie for a group I trust. I’m not strongly attached to a party-leader system, just thinking about how one would work.

Really though, ANet, majority vote. :\