Guild Wars 2

Kasima.8143:

DonQuack.9025:

What would truly fix this problem? People reading and adhering to requested info in LFG. Oh and make you own kitten groups

I swear i think the only people scared of being kicked are those that are incapable of making it and terrorists.

Wow. That’s some interesting parallel universe in which you’re living there.
Did you forget to read the problem the original poster tries to solve with his suggestion?
Did you forget that you can’t fix stupid and force people to do things like read?
Did you forget that most people can’t make their own kittening group, which is WHY LFG WAS INVENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

~I’ll defend Don on that Kasima. He is just stating blatant facts with slight sense of humor. Please just re-read and apply yourself to understand the syntax…your both right…

I support the idea of a party leader. Removing instance owner was a horrible idea

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Bring-back-instance-owner/

Kasima.8143:

DonQuack.9025:

What would truly fix this problem? People reading and adhering to requested info in LFG. Oh and make you own kitten groups

I swear i think the only people scared of being kicked are those that are incapable of making it and terrorists.

Wow. That’s some interesting parallel universe in which you’re living there.
Did you forget to read the problem the original poster tries to solve with his suggestion?
Did you forget that you can’t fix stupid and force people to do things like read?
Did you forget that most people can’t make their own kittening group, which is WHY LFG WAS INVENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Most people can not make their own groups? Thats news to me. ArenaNet really needs to fix that problem. It must be a bug of some sort. Have you bug reported it?

So base on reading in this post…

The people defending instance owner are either “person who kick people in high level fotm because they arn’t playing the right class”…

Or person who want to purposely punish people by ending the instance because other people arn’t playing his way…

DonQuack.9025:

Kasima.8143:

DonQuack.9025:

What would truly fix this problem? People reading and adhering to requested info in LFG. Oh and make you own kitten groups

I swear i think the only people scared of being kicked are those that are incapable of making it and terrorists.

Wow. That’s some interesting parallel universe in which you’re living there.
Did you forget to read the problem the original poster tries to solve with his suggestion?
Did you forget that you can’t fix stupid and force people to do things like read?
Did you forget that most people can’t make their own kittening group, which is WHY LFG WAS INVENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Most people can not make their own groups? Thats news to me. ArenaNet really needs to fix that problem. It must be a bug of some sort. Have you bug reported it?

Quite honestly, if you can logon at “anytime” and find friend to run with, you must have a really good friend or guild list.

Most of the time people asked me to do dungeon I either did it already or want to do something else.

It is not always easy to find 4 other friends that want to do the samething you want at the time you want.

and just because you are in a guild, dont’ mean your guildmates actually fullfile what you want. For example just because he is your guildmates dont’ mean they are experienced.

~all in all the true victim on this issue are the new/future customers of Anet/NCSoft…

~PUGs are the prelude to meeting/making friends and guilds…

~Anet/NCSoft has delivered amazing products but it falls on us as a community to self mitigate/delegate and we just need the proper tools to create structure…

~my personal favorite fix for alot are 2 separate servers: One for age verified uncensored content and the other for…well, what we have now, but that’s neither here or there, complicated and probably too costly (but would be soo much more fun and profitable for the company imo)…

~regardless, being idle on issues and problems is as if condoning them…

I can agree with making the LFG creator the Party Leader. That leader has full control over kicks as necessary, and if other people don’t like him, they vote with their feet. The party leader had the initiative to create the group and take the risk, he deserves a reasonable insurance against a crappy group.

Conversely, there needs to be insurance against tyranny. So, as a part of the full disclosure nature of the group (already in the LFG description text), I’d recommend an actual Reputation score of some kind. …Scores are too simple. Summing that kind of behavior into one number doesn’t quite work. Instead:

Percent/number of initiated vote-kicks. (Requiring 3+ vote)
Percent/number of kick overrides. (Leader has overall authority on group comp.)
Percent/number of completed leader runs.
Recommending Players (Once per player, can be rescinded in future groups)

The “number” portion tells general experience with dungeon leading runs. The “percent” part is the warning flag of how much of a kittenface he is.

The point being that if there’s a party leader with authority, his performance will show whether he can be trusted.

laokoko.7403:

Astralporing.1957:

laokoko.7403:

I dont’ know. So you are complaining about clown jerks. What if the party leader is a clown jerks.

Then people will not join his parties, or leave shortly after joining, without losing anything.
Remember, people joining groups have a choice what lfg group they will choose. LFG group creator doesn’t have any choice about who will join their group. The situation is not even.

That’s the thing, if you are a party leader and you dont’ like your group too, leave and remake another party.

Even if you are looking for people to complement your group after (for example) you lost someone on third fractal?
No, the situation is definitely not equal.

DonQuack.9025:

Most people can not make their own groups? Thats news to me. ArenaNet really needs to fix that problem. It must be a bug of some sort. Have you bug reported it?

You will be surprised but no one can “make his own group” in GW2. Even if you think that you just made “your own group” it can be easily hijacked by 2 randoms and you will be kicked out in no time.

Yes, I totally agree with you – its a bug and needs to be fixed. That’s why this thread exists.

laokoko.7403:

So base on reading in this post…

The people defending instance owner are either “person who kick people in high level fotm because they arn’t playing the right class”…

Or person who want to purposely punish people by ending the instance because other people arn’t playing his way…

whats wrong with punishing people who join groups, ignore whatever was advertised on the lfg system (such as no skipping) and grief the dungeon starter that way?

Astralporing.1957:

laokoko.7403:

Astralporing.1957:

laokoko.7403:

I dont’ know. So you are complaining about clown jerks. What if the party leader is a clown jerks.

Then people will not join his parties, or leave shortly after joining, without losing anything.
Remember, people joining groups have a choice what lfg group they will choose. LFG group creator doesn’t have any choice about who will join their group. The situation is not even.

That’s the thing, if you are a party leader and you dont’ like your group too, leave and remake another party.

Even if you are looking for people to complement your group after (for example) you lost someone on third fractal?
No, the situation is definitely not equal.

Right so you are at third fractal and getting stuck on imbued shaman… you lost someone so try to look for guardian….

but what does that have “anything” to do with “only party leader” being exempt from being kick.

Rauderi.8706:

I can agree with making the LFG creator the Party Leader. That leader has full control over kicks as necessary, and if other people don’t like him, they vote with their feet. The party leader had the initiative to create the group and take the risk, he deserves a reasonable insurance against a crappy group.

Conversely, there needs to be insurance against tyranny. So, as a part of the full disclosure nature of the group (already in the LFG description text), I’d recommend an actual Reputation score of some kind. …Scores are too simple. Summing that kind of behavior into one number doesn’t quite work. Instead:

Percent/number of initiated vote-kicks. (Requiring 3+ vote)
Percent/number of kick overrides. (Leader has overall authority on group comp.)
Percent/number of completed leader runs.
Recommending Players (Once per player, can be rescinded in future groups)

The “number” portion tells general experience with dungeon leading runs. The “percent” part is the warning flag of how much of a kittenface he is.

The point being that if there’s a party leader with authority, his performance will show whether he can be trusted.

Risk? What risk?

Giving a player power over another player’s experience in an online game is never a good thing. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, but LFG party creation is not one of those times.

Well you see that is another thing. With the party leader idea it is relatively easy to see what is going on in a group especially for reports.

party lead kicks a lot at end of x content? easy for anet to see a pattern.

With the current 2 people kick pfft. gotta be hard to establish intent when any random person for any reason whatsoever can initiate and second a kick.

also with party lead you always know who kicked you.

currently who do you report? Do you report them all? Pick a random one?

Conclusion party lead is “easier” to enforce for a-net AND it lets the player know who not to group up with again. They would know exactly who is the “bum”

@IndigoSundown

I see you are a supporter of matchmaking and not having personal servers. Guess all those mmo’s that had party leaders sucked balls.

Such warped views of what a party leader is. A party leader is some despot.

In most other games when I create a group it is to bring like minded individuals together. I become the game master. I ensure that all members of the party are comfortable. The party neither goes too fast, too slow, whatever. I ensure there is no verbal abuse, I ensure I know how to do the content and know how to advise the other people on it.

When I command as a Lt in arma I command about 40 guys. Their enjoyment is of the utmost importance. Any person who for most reasons destroys what these 40ish guys are enjoying is removed.

The party lead is a position of responsibility… I guess thats why so many people “can not” make groups. Its a thing of the past.

I wonder sometimes what crazy world some of you live in where I dunno you have an Asian Horror Only movie club and one person joins and hates Asian horror but wants to watch Russian comedy all the time and talks during the movies and its totally ok for the Asian Horror club to disband.

Cuz thats what I am reading. I dont want to be responsible for anything (non group making) and I refuse to submit to authority (kitten lfg reqs)

@DonQuack

Even if party leader is exempt from kick, I still wont’ know who kick me, because it can be any of the 4.

Another thing is you are assume Anet actually do things about people getting kick(for any reason or no reason).

I have “never” heard of any mmorpg where any GM interfere with people getting kicked out of dungeon.

And I dont’ think Anet is any different. Or base on my limited understanding when browsing GW2 forum, I dont’ think anyone have actually been suspended from kicking other players out of dungeon for no reason.

Base on my limited knowledge reading the forum, where a bunch of players complain about getting kicked for no reason, I havn’t heard of anyone actually getting suspended. (besides a person who purposely close arah sellers instance like 500 times)

And you are assuming every party leader is righteous like you. The way I see it is there are as many clown jerks weather they are party leader or not. So why are you exempt. If you lead a group of 40 people and 39 of them don’t like you, maybe you deserve to be kicked out.

laokoko.7403:

If you lead a group of 40 people and 39 of them don’t like you, maybe you deserve to be kicked out.

Considering I made the group ( pay $300/mo for the server/website/mumble) it is “they” who would leave not me.

Just like I was in a guild where we disagreed with the Guild Leader we all packed up our stuff and made a new guild.

also this is sort of a mixture of the conversation going on in the dungeon subforums so I am grabbing things from that thread. mainly party lead + only party lead can kick.

I have no false impressions that all party leaders are like me. Ive been in many a crap runs. Ive led crap runs. 90% of my groups(led and made by me) have atleast 2 people who do not meet the requirements I listed in the lfg. You may be thinking Im some speedrun maniac. Nope Id say 60% of my runs are teaching runs. I cant do anything to ensure a relatively controlled teaching environment.

actually dont worry tis worthless arguement I dont know why I leave the trashcan sometimes.

~a tyrant without subjects, is no tyrant…

DonQuack.9025:

laokoko.7403:

If you lead a group of 40 people and 39 of them don’t like you, maybe you deserve to be kicked out.

Considering I made the group ( pay $300/mo for the server/website/mumble) it is “they” who would leave not me.

Just like I was in a guild where we disagreed with the Guild Leader we all packed up our stuff and made a new guild.

That’s fine.

But you are telling me a random pug of 4 people should leave just because you take 30 second to make a lfg text.

why should you be exempt just because you take 30 second to make a lfg ad. And other people don’t.

If it is at the start of the dungeon I dont’ mind. But mid way through the dungeon, if the party leader are the clown, maybe it is he who should leave. He shouldnt’ be exempt just because he take 30 seconds to make a lfg ad.

laokoko.7403:

That’s fine.

But you are telling me a random pug of 4 people should leave just because you take 30 second to make a lfg text.

why should you be exempt just because you take 30 second to make a lfg ad. And other people don’t.

If it is at the start of the dungeon I dont’ mind. But mid way through the dungeon, if the party leader are the clown, maybe it is he who should leave. He shouldnt’ be exempt just because he take 30 seconds to make a lfg ad.

I dont take 30 seconds to make an lfg ad. I take months of running x path with x professions to the point where I feel comfortable where I could lead a group to do a specific thing.

And yes. purely because I took the initiative to do it. Heh its like kicking me out of a my own house party just because you dont like me.

Beginning middle or end. If I decide you need to go. You need to go.

If one think there should be an time gated exception then one probably needs to lead more groups and see that “bums” dont display true colours when you want them too.

darnit I said I was done with this thread

(lets just take a moment for laokoko to read his own posts)

~all in all the true victim on this issue are the new/future customers of Anet/NCSoft…

~PUGs are the prelude to meeting/making friends and guilds…

~Anet/NCSoft has delivered amazing products but it falls on us as a community to self mitigate/delegate and we just need the proper tools to create structure…

~my personal favorite fix for alot are 2 separate servers: One for age verified uncensored content and the other for…well, what we have now, but that’s neither here or there, complicated and probably too costly (but would be soo much more fun and profitable for the company imo)…

~regardless, being idle on issues and problems is as if condoning them…

BillX.4987:

(lets just take a moment for laokoko to read his own posts)

Im’ not sure what you mean.

I read your post and what I see is a person who kick other people out of high level fotm just because they are playing a certain class.

DonQuack.9025:

laokoko.7403:

That’s fine.

But you are telling me a random pug of 4 people should leave just because you take 30 second to make a lfg text.

why should you be exempt just because you take 30 second to make a lfg ad. And other people don’t.

If it is at the start of the dungeon I dont’ mind. But mid way through the dungeon, if the party leader are the clown, maybe it is he who should leave. He shouldnt’ be exempt just because he take 30 seconds to make a lfg ad.

I dont take 30 seconds to make an lfg ad. I take months of running x path with x professions to the point where I feel comfortable where I could lead a group to do a specific thing.

And yes. purely because I took the initiative to do it. Heh its like kicking me out of a my own house party just because you dont like me.

Beginning middle or end. If I decide you need to go. You need to go.

If one think there should be an time gated exception then one probably needs to lead more groups and see that “bums” dont display true colours when you want them too.

darnit I said I was done with this thread

Right, you are so special because you ran the dungeon for x months to the point where you can lead a party. And other players joinging your party are just people who arn’t as special as you.

If they were they would make their own groups

For some reason you seem to think I dont pug/ join groups either. I do. I always meet the reqs or whisper and ask if I could be the exception. (mainly cuz mesmer is sin not berserker) When I join a group. The group lead is God. He says jump I jump. He says stealth here I stealth there. He says do it x way I do it x way. If I disagree, think he is overstepping boundaries, bored, no coordination. I leave.

he is Playing How He Wants. he “organised” a group for that purpose. I joined the group on the assumption that our goals are aligned. If they are not. I leave. I dont do this.
http://s4.postimg.org/bm7blwtv1/screenshot_2014_10_16.png

and I will never support that. Directly or indirectly

(kick) GLF1M!

Actually why can any random person who joins change the lfg listing?

DonQuack.9025:

Actually why can any random person who joins change the lfg listing?

That is a good question as well

I think I know the answer the no-group leader people would say.
Something along the lines of

" You arent special. Anyone should be able to change what the group is doing. If you dont like it you should leave or join another group and change it to what you want it to be."

DonQuack.9025:

I think I know the answer the no-group leader people would say.
Something along the lines of

" You arent special. Anyone should be able to change what the group is doing. If you dont like it you should leave or join another group and change it to what you want it to be."

I agree with the first sentence. You arn’t spcial.

The rest I mean… “anyone” have the chance to get kicked. If someone is doing what the rest don’t like he have a chance to get kicked too.

Remember, you can kick people too, if your a party leader, and you think some people dont’ fill your need. Initiate a kick at anytime… If the rest of your group agree with you, they’ll click yes.

The party opener can be a jerk and just kick people out for no reason to add his friends at the end of the dungeon. Or just kick people because they think they arn’t really skilled. Your assumption is the party leader is some special person which I fail to see.

You apparently think you are special. That is your personal opinion, there is no problem with that. I just dont’ personally agree with that.

See you think its personal. It is not “I” am special. It is " Group leader" is special. It is “WvW commander” is special. The “teacher” is special. The “team leader” is special. The “staff nurse” is special. The ‘squad leader’ is special.

Why? Those and many more are those that choose to do that little bit extra from the “common” folk.

There would be no group if those select people didnt spend that trivial 30s to put up a lfg. One can not kick from that which does not exist.

Also what is wrong with kicking people who are not skilled? I suppose you are one of the supporters of people joining “Experienced groups” who arent experienced in any form of the word.

The WvW commander is special because he got a commander tag?

Absolutely not. They are special because people choose to follow him. (They are still ignored if they arn’t a good leader)

You arnt’ special just because you create a group. You are special because people choose to follow you. When ever people choose to not follow you, you stop becoming special. Which is the time people probably choose to kick you instead of the other person.

I mentioned nothing of tag.

Your logic-
people have to follow to be special

Question
how does one follow if they arent in a group?

Thats like saying parents arent special because their kids dont listen to what they say.

Leading the group through content isnt intrinsic to the group leader. I would say enforcement of the listed goals is.

also I rarely get kicked. I notice groups that I dont mesh with relatively early and leave.

DonQuack.9025:

I mentioned nothing of tag.

Your logic-
people have to follow to be special

Question
how does one follow if they arent in a group?

Thats like saying parents arent special because their kids dont listen to what they say.

Leading the group through content isnt intrinsic to the group leader. I would say enforcement of the listed goals is.

also I rarely get kicked. I notice groups that I dont mesh with relatively early and leave.

quite honestly, I’ve done gw2 dungeon a few thousands time. Fractal I should ran 100+ times. And I never been kicked.

There is this once that 1 of the person says he wants to kick me, I just excuse myself from the party.

I’m quite surprise this became such a heated topic. Because I personally rarely see party kick as a problem.

If you think you should enforce the group, that’s fine do it. If people agree with you, they’ll do it. You seemed to think if people disagree with you, you still should have authority though, that’s the part I disagree.

I think all your parents, or teacher analogy… well kids still shouldn’t listen to their parents or teacher if they are bad. Obviously most of the times the parents or teacher are rights, but not always.

And you seemed to try to relate mmorpg party leader as some holy people like your parents or teacher people should follow… which is quite laughable.

:D Disagreeing with me is fine. Disagreeing with me in “my” group is fine. Want to do something else whilst in my group= Nope gtfo Make your own group. Dont want to follow me Fine= make your own group.

I typically get kicked when I have 1 hour to play and I want nice and smooth 15min/path run and I put " p1 experienced Lvl 70+ meta pref" and I get level 50’s who also dont know what to do. I get kicked when I am mean and elitist and ask " You dont meet any of the requested requirements for the group. Why did you join?"

Frankly in my eyes everyone against the party leader system is either a griefer, or a person who joins groups without meeting the requested requirements who enjoys the relative immunity they get from joining pug groups.

The people who want three votes instead are practically confirmed griefers.

infact you are a firm supporter of this http://s4.postimg.org/bm7blwtv1/screenshot_2014_10_16.png

By your words. on my lvl 70thief at the time. Random person joined my group. Changed the lfg to a different dungeon. 3 people joined ready to do that changed dungeon.

Im the bad guy there I should have left. Clearly.

laokoko.7403:

And you seemed to try to relate mmorpg party leader as some holy people like your parents or teacher people should follow… which is quite laughable.

A group leader is a group leader. orders given by a 12year old squad leader in arma are given the same priority as orders given to me by CO(past tense), or orders given to me by the head nurse.

They are in charge of the group. We are the borg.

DonQuack.9025:

:D Disagreeing with me is fine. Disagreeing with me in “my” group is fine. Want to do something else whilst in my group= Nope gtfo Make your own group. Dont want to follow me Fine= make your own group.

I typically get kicked when I have 1 hour to play and I want nice and smooth 15min/path run and I put " p1 experienced Lvl 70+ meta pref" and I get level 50’s who also dont know what to do. I get kicked when I am mean and elitist and ask " You dont meet any of the requested requirements for the group. Why did you join?"

Frankly in my eyes everyone against the party leader system is either a griefer, or a person who joins groups without meeting the requested requirements who enjoys the relative immunity they get from joining pug groups.

The people who want three votes instead are practically confirmed griefers.

I just never get into that situation. Because if someone joined a group which have some requirement. And someone don’t meat that requirement, he is usually the one get kicked, not the person initiating the kick.

Worse case scenario is no one agree with me if I initiate a kick, so I either just suck it up or remove myself from the group.

laokoko.7403:

Worse case scenario is no one agree with me if I initiate a kick, so I either just suck it up or remove myself from the group.

And you are saying that is fine. Infact you are encouraging people not reading and complying with lfg requests.

Sucking it up? Teaching them that they can join groups and people will accept it and carry them.
You leaving? Youre not telling them they are in the wrong. Youre bowing to their will. Accept me or you leave.

Encouraging bullying. plain and simple. arguably terrorism too

I have a different suggestion:

Instead of having that gray box stay with no chance of leaving the screen, give a decline option. I bet some will just click it to ‘move on’ the dungeon and assume if they are all doing bad, it must be that one unlucky guy.

Make the kick box smaller, allow it to be minimized so a choice can change later. It has a timer of how long it remains active after the ask to kick – maybe 2 minutes.

I want to be able to kick people I don’t like I don’t mind running pug groups with uplevels. I don’t mind teaching people how to play a dungeon. But I do not want to put up with people who are purposely ‘bad’ and refuse to listen to advice.

We’re running a dungeon. No one in this party wants to spend over an hour on one path. Listen to me when I ask you nicely to change your specs and skills to make this run go faster.

What about this scenario? The party leader decides to afk and let everyone else do the work. Halfway through the dungeon and no one can leave. No thanks, I want to kick that afker.

I’ve been kicked from dungeons. I learned why I was kicked, bettered myself, and move on. Now I don’t get kicked. I get to run alongside elite dungeon parties while they teach me the mechanics for speed clears. And I still make pug groups to meet new people and teach rookies how to play. I like this system.

~I have a hunch that perhaps part of the problem with people allowing a ‘stranger’ to manage their own group may be the connotation of the word itself, ‘Kick’…perhaps a proper term should be reviewed and implemented, may I suggest ‘Dismiss’…

Fix problem?
1. Party join request. None of this instajoin nonsense.
2. Make “advertise your own party” 10x larger. maybe flashing with hearts and stars.
3. Make people who abuse the kick function have account penalties. (both the initiator and 2nder)
3.a. cant use lfg tool for x days> 1 day ban> 2 day ban > week ban > perma
4.Make people who abuse the lfg tool(i.e dont have requested gear/ level/ whatever) have account penalties
4a. See 3a

problem is 4 will never happen. too many people thrive on being carried/ignorant/ simply trolls.
3 rarely happens atleast in the case of sellers.

Is a workplace in which employees fire the employer at their discretion proper or a viable business to invest in? Could you expect substantial job security and/or promotions working there?

HEEEEEELL NO!!!

DonQuack.9025:

Fix problem?
3. Make people who abuse the kick function have account penalties. (both the initiator and 2nder)
4.Make people who abuse the lfg tool(i.e dont have requested gear/ level/ whatever) have account penalties

Now these two suggestions make sense to me. People abuse both features because there are no consequences for doing so. I remember games where there were consequences for being a kittenhat.

In the same fashion, my concern over immunity or party leader authority is that there would be no consequences for abuse of those proposed features. Anyone who thinks this wouldn’t happen is ignoring the axiom, “Any system that can be abused in an online game will be abused.”

Unfortunately, implementing meaningful consequences would increase ANet’s CS budget. So I don’t expect any to be added (beyond the existing report system) for any abuse or potential abuse.

My hunch is that ANet wants everyone to be one big happy family and all be totally accepting of everyone else. They tolerate meta groups and their requirements because it’s not against the ToS to play how you want. but I really think they’d prefer everyone to just blindly accept anyone in their groups.

Has anyone ever reported someone for failing to honor LFG requirements? Not that we’d ever know, but I’d be curious to know what the result was.

There was a period where I was teaching cm hardcore and was getting “griefed” so hard that I reported out of frustration. I didnt keep an eye on it because I fully expected to be penalised myself for reporting them+ didnt really expect anything to happen to them.

Ill be a bit sneaky and become friends with one that I report tonight and see what happens.

also my apologies overall for any overly insensitive remarks I get heated sometimes.

We all get “embedded” in our positions at times, so any passion ought to be understandable. I guess I’ve taken the easy way out by choosing not to PuG any more, so I admire anyone who has the perseverance to teach the game to others. I guess I’m a diehard egalitarian who believes that systems and consequences should apply to everyone, while also being someone who believes that there are far too few consequences for bad behavior in this game — and in some other games as well.

~one issue I’ve realized with ‘Party Leader’, would be 2 partial parties attempting to merge…I want to say> in which that the interested ‘Party Leader’ must ‘right click/assign as party leader/join party’ when the total of the members equates to 5 after some PMs and awkward debates…

DonQuack.9025:

3. Make people who abuse the kick function have account penalties. (both the initiator and 2nder)

How do you know if a kicker abuses kick function? For instance I often make a taxi-lfg for temple events, tequatl etc. And as soon as taxied person joins my instance – i kick him to let others join too. Will I be punished for that according to your logic? In that case its easier to not taxi at all – feel free to find a map with organized event yourself.

‘Lets attack the Quack’ thread?…really?
I’m sure his #3 over looked our taxi system, no need to smite…

Could we get a Dev to have a say please??

BillX.4987:

Is a workplace in which employees fire the employer at their discretion proper or a viable business to invest in? Could you expect substantial job security and/or promotions working there?

HEEEEEELL NO!!!

Now, obviously, the workplace where two newest employees can fire their employer at their dicretion is way better. Yeah, right.

BillX.4987:

~one issue I’ve realized with ‘Party Leader’, would be 2 partial parties attempting to merge…I want to say> in which that the interested ‘Party Leader’ must ‘right click/assign as party leader/join party’ when the total of the members equates to 5 after some PMs and awkward debates…

It’s always one person that clicks “merge”. He (and his group) are the ones joining the other group and its leader. Or at least it should be like that.

Arikyali.5804:

yLoon.5289:

Yup, I can understand OP. Happened to me before after helping bunch of noobs in CoE. Well that is nothing if were to compare to fractal. Its infuriating when you got kicked on the last fractal stage, isnt it?

Well here’s what I’m proposing, what if Arena set a rule whereby at the end of a dungeon/fractal, the kick player function will not be available ?

Then you’ll get the trolls who do decent throughout the dungeon, but purposely fail the last one just to spite people. And can’t be kicked.

If someone gets kicked, what happens? Kickers find a member more in their play style, kickee finds a party more in their play style. Anger/annoyance for a few minutes and people get over it. What if you can’t kick? You’re forced to stick with people you don’t want to be with and endure hours of frustration and boredom.

Well, clearly you do not read properly of what i wrote, i said NEAR ending a dungeon. Let me clarify abit here, near ending a dungeon could be at the final boss perhaps? Or are you too thick i need to further elaborate?
If someone do not suit your playstyle, i bet you are smart enough to notice that in the starting of dungeon.

Hence “endure hours of frustration and boredom”<——this comments of yours is not valid.