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Posted by: Olvendred.3027

Olvendred.3027

You came at this thread with a condescending tone (then ironically accusing me of the same) that extends beyond this thread, and I certainly don’t recall being the instigator for nitpicking, which you have once again proven to have done here.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/People-angry-over-area-map-completition/first#post4803010

This post includes condescension: “Maybe if you read the actual posts instead of going off on your adorable little narrative” (Nb. when called out for this obvious patronising tone, you responded with insults)

And has no other purpose than to dispute the number of scenarios discussed in the thread. Which I would classify as nitpicking.

Yes, while you were technically not wrong in your claim that the thread had deviated from OP, what good have you attained with your technical correctness?

Our disagreement seems to be on your implicit assertion that such deviation was neither productive nor on topic. I argue that OP’s vagueness meant that he never “owned” the “topic” to begin with, and challenge you to actually follow through with some substance to what you imply in your first post. At best you can claim that OP started a meaningless thread that deserves to be closed.

As far as the name calling, I will fight fire with fire. Don’t deal what you can’t take. You have zero moral high ground here.

Again, you’re basing everything on “implicit” assumptions that were not apparent in my posts. Ironically, your responses to me are a working demonstration of you concocting imaginary scenarios, in order to argue over them.

As numerous threads have been closed in the past for going off-topic from the OP, my observation was entirely apt. Only through your apparent need to have the last word on everything (a tendency that recurs in every thread in which you post), has this “disagreement” even occurred. (I put disagreement in quotation marks, as you have now twice affirmed that you agree with my initial post, meaning that your escalation of the “argument” was entirely unnecessary.)

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Posted by: Dave.2536

Dave.2536

Just because you haven’t explicitly stated something does not mean we have not or can not infer some implied meaning.

You can have the last word between us, as I will say nothing more with you.

Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
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Posted by: gcrockwood.1987

gcrockwood.1987

Wow. WOW! I never in my wildest dreams expected this.

Things I should clear up now. This happened on a 15-30 PvE zone. I’ve only been playing for a month, so I had no clue I would need to do WvW areas as well. I play WvW already so I may have completed one of those maps and not even realized it yet. I’ll worry about them last. It isn’t a race to get 100% completion.

The elitism and pettiness I’m seeing is astronomical in this thread. This is actually a surprise because 99% of the people on my server are pretty nice, with the 1% being picked on until they go away. I guess that’s a forum for you!

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Posted by: Olvendred.3027

Olvendred.3027

This happened on a 15-30 PvE zone. I’ve only been playing for a month, so I had no clue I would need to do WvW areas as well. I play WvW already so I may have completed one of those maps and not even realized it yet. I’ll worry about them last. It isn’t a race to get 100% completion.

Thank you for clarifying, OP

Just for the record, though, the usual advice is that it’s best to start doing the WvW maps early, if you want full map completion. The reason for this is that many objectives may not be held by your server when you start to go for it, and you might have to wait weeks until your server changes colour, which can be pretty frustrating. It’s a lot easier to keep an eye on the WvW maps whenever you’re playing, and run and get the particular objectives you need, if your server happens to hold them. That way, you’ll slowly get to full WvW map completion by the time you’re finished with your PvE map completion.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

Wow. WOW! I never in my wildest dreams expected this.

Things I should clear up now. This happened on a 15-30 PvE zone. I’ve only been playing for a month, so I had no clue I would need to do WvW areas as well. I play WvW already so I may have completed one of those maps and not even realized it yet. I’ll worry about them last. It isn’t a race to get 100% completion.

The elitism and pettiness I’m seeing is astronomical in this thread. This is actually a surprise because 99% of the people on my server are pretty nice, with the 1% being picked on until they go away. I guess that’s a forum for you!

If it is PvE, “your server” doesn’t actually exist because of megaserver.

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Posted by: Algreg.3629

Algreg.3629

Wow. WOW! I never in my wildest dreams expected this.

Things I should clear up now. This happened on a 15-30 PvE zone. I’ve only been playing for a month, so I had no clue I would need to do WvW areas as well. I play WvW already so I may have completed one of those maps and not even realized it yet. I’ll worry about them last. It isn’t a race to get 100% completion.

The elitism and pettiness I’m seeing is astronomical in this thread. This is actually a surprise because 99% of the people on my server are pretty nice, with the 1% being picked on until they go away. I guess that’s a forum for you!

first of all, elitism does not signify what you think it does. Then, what do you expect when you seek approval from strangers? Do your thing in WvW, it is part of the game and implemented by Anet. Do not care what some temper tandrum people do, if you cannot bear attacks from some random stranger on the internet, keep a low profile while on the map. It is as easy as that. What did you expect here actually? Comfort?

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Posted by: Vincent.7452

Vincent.7452

So…are you talking (1) total time spent on the map or (2) total number of hours or days passed between beginning and end?

While (1) may indeed be shorter, even significantly, (2) is nowhere near as trivial. Your refusal/failure/deception when it comes to differentiating (even identifying/acknowledging) the two cases is why you’ve been called and will continue to be called egocentric. The only alternative would be that you were simply that dense or close-minded.

You can keep calling me whatever you want, it doesn’t make me so and it doesn’t give you any more credibility. You’re free to feel that legendaries should be easier to obtain but I’m also free to disagree and that doesn’t make me egocentric.

To answer you, I’m saying that it’s (1) a much shorter time spent on the maps and that (2), IF you put any amount of effort into it, the irl time spent is also trivial. It only takes longer if you refuse to try or refuse to put any effort whatsoever.

The fact is that you can easily finish your wvw maps in a few days with minimal amount of time spent even when your server is losing. If you refuse to aknowledge that than maybe you’re the one who is egocentric.

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Posted by: FrizzFreston.5290

FrizzFreston.5290

I would merely keep quiet when doing my own thing in any map. Players can throw a tantrum all they want, I wouldn’t care. Whether that’s in a dungeon, WvW or PvP area.

“It isn’t working!” CL4P-TP
Ingame Name: Guardian Erik

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Posted by: Dave.2536

Dave.2536

The fact is that you can easily finish your wvw maps in a few days with minimal amount of time spent even when your server is losing. If you refuse to aknowledge that than maybe you’re the one who is egocentric.

Tell me all about flipping keeps in T1/T2, where servers have enough coverage to keep things fortified 24/7 unless one group is extremely persistent with the enemy server unluckily complacent.

Tell me more about how “minimal effort” and “a few days” it would take for someone on HoD/NSP (T3), IoJ/CD (T4), EB/GoM (T5), and especially AR/ET

Not everyone can be on Maguuma or Sea of Sorrows. Sorry, your anecdote is still worthless.

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Posted by: Carlin Sanders.3587

Carlin Sanders.3587

Maybe you should do the same when WvW ppl go to PVE to do map completion?

i WISH random zergs would just wander into pve maps for completion. just this giant blob of players wandering around each map killing off anything stupid enough to get in their way and harvesting every resource, like a horde of locusts. ot to mention seeing that many people do the same JP for a vista or skill point. that would be a sight to see.

I can only imagine the horror and chaos that would ensue for enemy mobs.

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Posted by: Terrahero.9358

Terrahero.9358

Map completion is the only thing that still actually involves WvW. Everything else can be acquired from pve play. Badges drop a ton from achievement chests, and laurels can be spend to gain wvw ranks.
Where is my equivalent for pve map completion? Or dungeons?

Why should Legendaries be made even easier to acquire? And of all people, for pve players who already have a leg up.

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Posted by: Bloodstealer.5978

Bloodstealer.5978

People can be dead weights in WvW all they want. They just shouldn’t feel entitled to assistance they haven’t earned, nor expect to be shielded from being told/reminded that they are dead weight.

If all this hurts their feelings too much, perhaps they should be the ones petitioning ANet harder, rather than trying to guilt trip and create forum drama.

I’ve participated in my fair share of forum posts seconding motions to either remove WvW map from the the journey of legendary crafting (or alternatively adding a PvP requirement as part of the process). Perhaps there should be more initiative from the people who actually stand to gain from this (no, losing 1-2 spots to PvErs doesn’t hurt much when it’s likely the other servers probably have similar issues).

The rest of us are generally unaffected by the presence of these people, and it is only because we are unaffected by their presence and continue to ignore them that they come on the forums to complain.

Pretty sure the only one here who believes they are entitled is.. you.
You seem to think its your god given right to be in front of anyone else in the queue that is running for map completion… ding ding wakey up! – WvW is PvE endgame content and is all part of the game, in which everyone has the same entitlement to run whatever they want, where they want and when they want – and there is nothing you can say or do that will alter that.
In fact it’s the kind of attitude that you have already portrayed in this thread that impact WvW worse.. why would anyone want to get map completion and then have the desire to come back in and learn how to contribute for their server having already met with your attitude.
Having run WvW since BWE’s I am yet to see anyone actually ask for help to get map completion in mapchat, but have seen many new players post here that’s its difficult to get it done because more often than not they don’t realise that map rotation often happens at reset and they can go grab parts they couldn’t the previous week.. ..then again there have been just as many posts from players like you cussing them for being there and taking up breathing space in queues that apparently you have entitlement over.

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Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

People can be dead weights in WvW all they want. They just shouldn’t feel entitled to assistance they haven’t earned, nor expect to be shielded from being told/reminded that they are dead weight.

If all this hurts their feelings too much, perhaps they should be the ones petitioning ANet harder, rather than trying to guilt trip and create forum drama.

I’ve participated in my fair share of forum posts seconding motions to either remove WvW map from the the journey of legendary crafting (or alternatively adding a PvP requirement as part of the process). Perhaps there should be more initiative from the people who actually stand to gain from this (no, losing 1-2 spots to PvErs doesn’t hurt much when it’s likely the other servers probably have similar issues).

The rest of us are generally unaffected by the presence of these people, and it is only because we are unaffected by their presence and continue to ignore them that they come on the forums to complain.

Pretty sure the only one here who believes they are entitled is.. you.
You seem to think its your god given right to be in front of anyone else in the queue that is running for map completion… ding ding wakey up! – WvW is PvE endgame content and is all part of the game, in which everyone has the same entitlement to run whatever they want, where they want and when they want – and there is nothing you can say or do that will alter that.
In fact it’s the kind of attitude that you have already portrayed in this thread that impact WvW worse.. why would anyone want to get map completion and then have the desire to come back in and learn how to contribute for their server having already met with your attitude.
Having run WvW since BWE’s I am yet to see anyone actually ask for help to get map completion in mapchat, but have seen many new players post here that’s its difficult to get it done because more often than not they don’t realise that map rotation often happens at reset and they can go grab parts they couldn’t the previous week.. ..then again there have been just as many posts from players like you cussing them for being there and taking up breathing space in queues that apparently you have entitlement over.

I don’t often agree with Bloodstealer, but I do here.

No one has the right to tell others how to play the game, unless that person is breaking the rules set out in the ToS. Clearly asking for help with map completion isn’t breaking and rules.

Telling the guy to gtfo might well be.

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Posted by: Dave.2536

Dave.2536

What am I entitled about again?

I’ve done map completion 4 times, and WvW completion 6. I’ve also done all the content in all the game modes at the highest levels.

“You casuals” who perceive persecution and oppression in everything that someone says can continue to do just that…give power to words that have none. I’m honestly feeling less and less sympathetic to “your cause” by the minute, because I’m seeing less initiative and more lashing out.

I’ve never ever said someone doing map completion had any less right to be in WvW than me or any other person actively participating in WvW, but that person can absolutely be informed that he’s dead weight if that’s what he’s doing.

why would anyone want to get map completion and then have the desire to come back in and learn how to contribute for their server having already met with your attitude.

Then don’t come back. I’m not naive enough to think that the ones who whine in these forums to this degree will ever be useful anyways, and they’d indeed be less detrimental outside WvW at whatever loot pinata than in WvW rallybotting the entire enemy group.

I’m also not optimistic that these brats will ever come back since so many of them have already formed their aversion and phobia to anything and everything PvP.

Telling the guy to gtfo might well be.

There’s a difference between telling a person he’s useless and cursing him to go die of cancer…even if that person is too salty or ignorant to see the difference.

Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.

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Posted by: Jana.6831

Jana.6831

I somehow lost track of who has got what opinion, but I happen to have a 12 hour screenshot of how it looked on IoJ (GoM and SBI) about half a year ago: IoJ was somewhat 9th to 12th back then (just like now).

You only had some troubles to get green stuff (SBI) that week and as far as I can remember the only green objective we didn’t get was Jerrifer’s. The camps on the blue borderland were flipped by me, otherwise everything would’ve been red (still a bit “mad” that I thought of making screenshots afterwards).
I don’t mean that you have to hang around in wvw for 12 hours but that you don’t have to wait for your server having the colour of the POI you’re still missing as everything changes. I can tell you that on my current server whole EB will be blue in about 12 hours, then 14 hours it will be green, 16 hours half of it will be red. EU silver.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

Draknar.5748

Then remove WvW areas from map completion requirements. Problem solved.

Or how about adjust the queue system to prioritize by rank. Rank 500+, you automatically bump to top of queue. Rank 1 guy looking to just map complete WvW, well they will have to wait behind people that clearly are interested in doing WvW competitively.

I honestly feel that the higher ranked players should start getting some added benefit for their time spent in WvW. Having queue priority would be a nice perk and it would reduce the number of PvEers in the map. You couldn’t eliminate it entirely as once someone joined, they couldn’t be kicked out, but at least you know that if you are a true WvWer that when you queue you will bypass all of the PvEers working on map complete.

Then of course there is the “passive mode” option (got the idea from GTA5 Online). You flag yourself as “passive”, you become semi-transparent, cannot capture any points, cannot attack players, cannot be attacked, cannot use chat functions, but you can collect POIs, skill points, and vistas. If your side doesn’t have a tower, you will still have to wait until it is flipped. This mode would not count toward the population total of each server.

So a dude that grinds himself 10k ranks in eotm should have the priority on a queue over those that actually play the real wvw. No thanks. Wvw completion can be a drag but if you are patient or social enough to ask for some help it is no biggy at all. As i said in my first reply, idm to help those ppl out.

How would that be any different than the system we have currently…

As it stands someone who is rank 1 and is stumbling around looking for POIs takes spots away from people who play real WvW.

I mean, with my idea, sure someone could spend years grinding out ranks in EoTM if they really wanted to, but why would they do that? To get WvW priority? If so, then it sounds like they actually want to play real WvW…

Nobody would spend thousands of hours grinding ranks simply to get priority in WvW queues so they can do map completion of all things…

It would be a non-issue.

I won’t stop because I can’t stop.

It’s a medical condition, they say its terminal….

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Posted by: Moderator.1056

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Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.