Guild Wars 2

I’ve been playing GW2 since the betas, and it was all fun and games until the dungeon grinds appeared.

Patch after patch ANet introduced more and more rewards and stat upgrades through dungeons, and dungeons only, the ones worthwhile anyway.

With the introduction of laurels the situation got slightly better, it’s only slightly better because acquiring a single pink with laurels requires 25 dailies of the 30 each month, AND the monthly achievemnent.

For someone like me who has limited play time, i don’t want to waste that time everyday grinding for such a thing, i want to play GW2 to have fun, not to have a power struggle with other people.

I play WvW mainly, and i love it because i get to have fun, all the while not being constrained by an objective at the end of the line, i’m free to leave whenever i want without feeling i’m losing on anything, dungeons don’t do that, dungeons can take up to an hour to do properly, and it just gets too boring.

ANet, for the sake of your players, do not put all the rewards in one aspect of the game, WvW has been the same since launch, no new maps, no new events, or even visually different borderlands (all look the same and full of snow), and the rewards are not worthwhile (the armor is not special, the skin exists in the form of masterwork, and the stats are craftable).

I honestly hope that the WvW patch brings Ascended gear in exchange of Badges of Honor, and some spicing up to WvW because as much as it is fun, it’s becoming boring.

it also wouldn’t hurt to start building up on Southsun cove, there’s hardly anyone there, introduce more world bosses, and make them give better rewards.

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

Also, Flame & Frost heavily implies that something is going to happen to Southsun Cove.

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

Also, Flame & Frost heavily implies that something is going to happen to Southsun Cove.

I’d like to see the WvW update coming up have ascended helms and gloves or something on the vendor for whatever WvW thing, then put them on the laurel vendor too.

Just once, I’d like to see the prime way to get something to be what I was actually doing anyway.

Minion of Vey.4398:

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

Also, Flame & Frost heavily implies that something is going to happen to Southsun Cove.

I’d like to see the WvW update coming up have ascended helms and gloves or something on the vendor for whatever WvW thing, then put them on the laurel vendor too.

Just once, I’d like to see the prime way to get something to be what I was actually doing anyway.

while i agree with that, i’d prefer seeing all the ascended gear obtainable by PVE means, available for badges of honor and a nominal currency fee.

RapidSausage.4620:

Minion of Vey.4398:

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

Also, Flame & Frost heavily implies that something is going to happen to Southsun Cove.

I’d like to see the WvW update coming up have ascended helms and gloves or something on the vendor for whatever WvW thing, then put them on the laurel vendor too.

Just once, I’d like to see the prime way to get something to be what I was actually doing anyway.

while i agree with that, i’d prefer seeing all the ascended gear obtainable by PVE means, available for badges of honor and a nominal currency fee.

Yes. I agree. Grinding PvE is no fun compared to my goals of wanting to play WvW rather exclusively.

The same rewards should be available in PVE, WvW, and dungeons. Forcing players into just one of these area’s because of better/best rewards is DUMB!

Dungeons are such a click-fest, I don’t like them and because of that, I’m missing out. The champion group events in PVE are step in the right direction but, don’t scale very well when maps have few players.

They said ascended gear would eventually makes its way to WvW. Since they want to control how fast you can progress, the gear will most likely not be available using any existing currencies, since they don’t want you to immediately get it. I can see them adding older ascended gear for badges, since everyone should have it by now, but not any new stuff.

If I were to guess, I’d say WvW ascended gear would be tied to the new WvW progression. If they want to make the gear primarily for WvW, instead of having offensive/defensive upgrades on them, they might have new WvW slots, which only affect WvW. Those upgrades could then be purchased with badges. The gear could also be, but it’d mainly be tied to your WvW rank.

Healix.5819:

They said ascended gear would eventually makes its way to WvW. Since they want to control how fast you can progress, the gear will most likely not be available using any existing currencies, since they don’t want you to immediately get it. I can see them adding older ascended gear for badges, since everyone should have it by now, but not any new stuff.

If I were to guess, I’d say WvW ascended gear would be tied to the new WvW progression. If they want to make the gear primarily for WvW, instead of having offensive/defensive upgrades on them, they might have new WvW slots, which only affect WvW. Those upgrades could then be purchased with badges. The gear could also be, but it’d mainly be tied to your WvW rank.

i think it’s only fair that any ascended gear obtainable through WvW be available only through WvW even for a short while.

I think they definitely need wvw ascended items. but i think badges is the worst way to provide them. To do so punishes those who spent them on other things, while rewarding hoarders.

Only ascended item that is on way reward are the neck items and some what back items. There are 2 places to get rings and earrings.

Ballads.2509:

I think they definitely need wvw ascended items. but i think badges is the worst way to provide them. To do so punishes those who spent them on other things, while rewarding hoarders.

So, you’d rather add another currency to a game that has way to many to begin with?

Sure, makes total sense.

I want new bank space added for currency.

Ballads.2509:

I think they definitely need wvw ascended items. but i think badges is the worst way to provide them. To do so punishes those who spent them on other things, while rewarding hoarders.

i don’t see how this punishes anyone.
with laurels it’s the same thing, you’re hoarding laurels in favor of getting a pink instead of other things, same thing for guild commendations.

so far the only thing badges are used for is buying siege, invader weapons and armor.
what happens when you get all this?, you save your badges.

Sericenthe.5310:

I want new bank space added for currency.

God yes, WTB Pocketbook/Currency window!!

RapidSausage.4620:

i don’t see how this punishes anyone.
with laurels it’s the same thing, you’re hoarding laurels in favor of getting a pink instead of other things, same thing for guild commendations.

No its like they added the laurel vendors with the just the first page
of stuff to buy, waited 6ish months then added the pinks. Big difference.

Sola.7250:

The same rewards should be available in PVE, WvW, and dungeons. Forcing players into just one of these area’s because of better/best rewards is DUMB!

Dungeons are such a click-fest, I don’t like them and because of that, I’m missing out. The champion group events in PVE are step in the right direction but, don’t scale very well when maps have few players.

That was kind of what they promised, that you could do things you enjoyed doing and be able to select rewards from the same pool as everyone else, that was kind of the idea behind karma. Then they started giving each subsection of the game its own currency, which still would have been fine if each subsection had the same rewards available. But they don’t and with every patch the fracture the rewards further, with “token” other sources. For example the ascended earrings, they attached them to the new guild mission system (we’ll forgo discussion on why for now), and priced them at, I believe, 12 commendations, and have them at the laurel vendor for 40L and 50ecto. They even came out and said in one thread that that ridiculous pricing was specifically intended to drive people to take the guild route, and I’m slightly less sure on this but I think they also said they intend for them to take about 6 weeks each to obtain.
Which is absurd really.

But, the more I read all their old comments about gear treadmills and grind I’ve come to think we all misunderstood (or were misled depending on how you look at it) what they were talking about. I Believe it was Colin who was talking about how having to grind a new tier of gear every six months sucked and they didn’t want to do that, and while many thought that meant no new gear tiers I’m beginning to think he was talking about the delivery system for those new tiers. Then there was someone else later who said they intended to have new gear but with zero grind and a shallow power curve.
And watching them drip feed us one new piece at a time each month, attached to a different reward system in-game, I am convinced that they consider the current method of delivering ascended gear to have no grind and somehow magically fix all the issues inherent in new tiers
And technically, if you consider getting a daily as a side effect of other things you’re doing you can argue it’s not a grind. So one daily isn’t a grind, but, once you attach a necessity to having 40 of them it changes things. Instead of a mystic coin and a bit of karma, which if I have other things going on I may decide missing a day is okay, you now have a laurel as well, which you can’t get anywhere else. Which means skipping/missing a day actually forcibly moves your new gear a day further away.
At which point dailies become a grind (it’s all perspective), and the fact they can’t see that is why we’re in the mess we are now.

So, given how out of touch with reality these people are, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to see new Ascended gear added to WvW only (with, of course, a “token” option at the laurel vendor for something like 80L and 100ecto, just so they can say they’re sticking to the whole “multiple sources” thing).

Those “pink” items aren’t giving enough of an advantage to be called “essential” for play. There is nothing you can’t do without them nor having those “pinks” give you a real advantage over other players.

Ascended items were introduced because people (some, a minority, a majority, I don’t care) asked for a limited vertical progression, and it IS limited. What Arenanet did is add a new tier with very little stat boosts, for those that play the game 24/7 and want some more progression. They can certainly be ignored by everyone else, Exotics are still viable.

Or at least it used to be this way…

It worked “well” after the November patch, because Ascended was a Fractals thing, but unfortunately, for others fortunately, Ascended is spreading out. While adding rings to laurels merchant wasn’t a bad move, allowing everyone to have them given some time, it created an issue after adding Amulets and Accessories. The issue is Ascended is slowly becoming an advantage… and after they introduce Armor/Weapons it will become a real one.

A simple pair of rings doesn’t give a significant boost. A full Ascended set gives a rather noticable boost (according to speculations/calculations). I DO hope while they extend the Ascended system they will make them more accessible. I believe (and hope) that what they wanted to do is add a system to get Ascended gear EASILY, without any kind of effort, just takes an insane amount of time, while slowly they will add (again I hope so) more “challenging”, but faster, ways to acquire Ascended gear.

Remember that in every other MMORPG in existence, the best gear is gated behind the hardest content (raids), in Guild Wars 2 it’s not, everyone can have the best gear (Ascended) given time. Both ways are bad, only through hard content and only after an insane amount of time, a compromise is needed between them.

Ballads.2509:

I think they definitely need wvw ascended items. but i think badges is the worst way to provide them. To do so punishes those who spent them on other things, while rewarding hoarders.

You talk as though they were worth spending in the first place… Honestly outside of the gift of battle you can bet most people never spend them.

I buy a bajillion siege blueprints, but otherwise they’re useless. It’d be nice if they were given some value somehow. Maybe some “WvW rank points” and like a stack of badges per ascended item. I think that’d be a fair middle ground.

I really really really doubt if they added ascended items to the vendors in WvW it will be obtainable through badges. It will be though the same system as laurels/guild missions.

Do you really think they would tell PvE’ers: You have to wait to get yours while WvW’ers will get theirs in one month or less? Not going to happen.

Amun Ra.6435:

I really really really doubt if they added ascended items to the vendors in WvW it will be obtainable through badges. It will be though the same system as laurels/guild missions.

Do you really think they would tell PvE’ers: You have to wait to get yours while WvW’ers will get theirs in one month or less? Not going to happen.

PvE’ers already have 2 exclusive methods to obtaining ascended: FoTM and guild missions.

WvW’ers have none. Like some PvE’ers hate PvP, some WvW’ers hate PvE. If anything, WvW’ers are at a disadvantage when it comes to obtaining ascended. I don’t see a problem here.

Heijincks.9267:

Amun Ra.6435:

I really really really doubt if they added ascended items to the vendors in WvW it will be obtainable through badges. It will be though the same system as laurels/guild missions.

Do you really think they would tell PvE’ers: You have to wait to get yours while WvW’ers will get theirs in one month or less? Not going to happen.

PvE’ers already have 2 exclusive methods to obtaining ascended: FoTM and guild missions.

WvW’ers have none. Like some PvE’ers hate PvP, some WvW’ers hate PvE. If anything, WvW’ers are at a disadvantage when it comes to obtaining ascended. I don’t see a problem here.

Like I said, they would not just let all who had hoarded badges to just get a full set ascended gear while PvE’ers have to wait for theirs. And again, if they added them it will be in the same mechanic used in PvE, through daily/monthly and guild style missions. You are not at a disadvantage because nothing is keeping you from doing those dailies and getting your ascended gear.

Yes there is guild missions/fractals to but not everyone can do those obviously or dont like fractals, like myself.

Amun Ra.6435:

Heijincks.9267:

Amun Ra.6435:

I really really really doubt if they added ascended items to the vendors in WvW it will be obtainable through badges. It will be though the same system as laurels/guild missions.

Do you really think they would tell PvE’ers: You have to wait to get yours while WvW’ers will get theirs in one month or less? Not going to happen.

PvE’ers already have 2 exclusive methods to obtaining ascended: FoTM and guild missions.

WvW’ers have none. Like some PvE’ers hate PvP, some WvW’ers hate PvE. If anything, WvW’ers are at a disadvantage when it comes to obtaining ascended. I don’t see a problem here.

Like I said, they would not just let all who had hoarded badges to just get a full set ascended gear while PvE’ers have to wait for theirs. And again, if they added them it will be in the same mechanic used in PvE, through daily/monthly and guild style missions. You are not at a disadvantage because nothing is keeping you from doing those dailies and getting your ascended gear.

Yes there is guild missions/fractals to but not everyone can do those obviously or dont like fractals, like myself.

And so we have to introduce yet another currency to get ascended from WvW? No.

Just because some people hoarded their badges doesn’t mean they got them for free, thus it still makes it quite fair between those who hoarded their badges and those who did not. The only thing Anet has to do is let people know ahead of time. Sure, it may be convenient for those who saved up their badges. It’s like me saving up gold to buy new stuff. Is it unfair that if I didn’t save up gold to get newly released stuff that I can’t get it right away? Thus no one is at a disadvantage.

Lastly, I’m talking about accessibility. As I have mentioned, some people who WvW don’t like PvE so they don’t do fractals nor guild missions by default.

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

“Forced” to play WvW?
lol worry not. Anet love PvErs too much.
They WILL NEVER ask PvErs to grind/farm WvW for an Ascended Item like how Pvpers gotta grind Fotm to get a Vial for an Ascended Backpack.
You are well protected there no worries

Jabronee.9465:

Sokar Rostau.7316:

I was under the impression that Ascended items were being added to the WvW vendors. Not sure where I got that from, but if it’s true then it had better be the stuff that’s already available or there will be an outcry from all of the people that will be “forced” to play WvW.

“Forced” to play WvW?
lol worry not. Anet love PvErs too much.
They WILL NEVER ask PvErs to grind/farm WvW for an Ascended Item like how Pvpers gotta grind Fotm to get a Vial for an Ascended Backpack.
You are well protected there no worries

i think the reason ANet is focusing so much on PVE is because of GW1.

GW1 had superb PVP, but PVE wasn’t all that good once you finished the campaigns, so they’re trying to fix that by giving PVE more attention in GW2, but they ended up focusing completely on PVE and ignoring WvW.

There really is nothing else to do with badges after you get the Gift.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

There really is nothing else to do with badges after you get the Gift.

you can buy siege with it, but considering the cost i doubt anyone will be using hard earned token for siege when he can just spend an equivalent amount of silver to buy one (to me 24 badges are more valuable than 24s)

Don’t worry, the Ascended item from WvW will be an Aquabreather.

John Widdin.9618:

Don’t worry, the Ascended item from WvW will be an Aquabreather.

what is this…aqua breather you speak of.

is it that white underwater headgear that i have not upgraded ever since i created my main at game launch because it is the most useless piece of equipment in the game?

RapidSausage.4620:

John Widdin.9618:

Don’t worry, the Ascended item from WvW will be an Aquabreather.

what is this…aqua breather you speak of.

is it that white underwater headgear that i have not upgraded ever since i created my main at game launch because it is the most useless piece of equipment in the game?

You know you can get lvl 80 three-stat aqua breathers, and that they replace your helmet while underwater, right?

Sokar Rostau.7316:

RapidSausage.4620:

John Widdin.9618:

Don’t worry, the Ascended item from WvW will be an Aquabreather.

what is this…aqua breather you speak of.

is it that white underwater headgear that i have not upgraded ever since i created my main at game launch because it is the most useless piece of equipment in the game?

You know you can get lvl 80 three-stat aqua breathers, and that they replace your helmet while underwater, right?

yes i know, but underwater combat is not as intense as land combat, not to mention the helmet stats are not very high as chest armor for example.

It’s not just the stat difference, if you’re wearing a set of superior runes and go under water, when the game swaps the breather for your helmet you lose the 6th bonus (because you are now technically only wearing 5/6). Not a huge deal depending on the rune set or if you never fight underwater, but worth considering.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

It’s not just the stat difference, if you’re wearing a set of superior runes and go under water, when the game swaps the breather for your helmet you lose the 6th bonus (because you are now technically only wearing 5/6). Not a huge deal depending on the rune set or if you never fight underwater, but worth considering.

i can confidently say that most players don’t take into account underwater combat when setting up a build, it’s just not that significant to consider.

So much for promising that we could acquire these through WvWvW.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

It’s not just the stat difference, if you’re wearing a set of superior runes and go under water, when the game swaps the breather for your helmet you lose the 6th bonus (because you are now technically only wearing 5/6). Not a huge deal depending on the rune set or if you never fight underwater, but worth considering.

Hilarious, I always thought that the centaur runes I used to run were bugged underwater. I couldn’t get the swiftenss buff b/c I was losing the 6th rune bonus (swiftness on heal). Now, I feel like an idiot, lol.

Dasboba.1652:

ScribeTheMad.7614:

It’s not just the stat difference, if you’re wearing a set of superior runes and go under water, when the game swaps the breather for your helmet you lose the 6th bonus (because you are now technically only wearing 5/6). Not a huge deal depending on the rune set or if you never fight underwater, but worth considering.

Hilarious, I always thought that the centaur runes I used to run were bugged underwater. I couldn’t get the swiftenss buff b/c I was losing the 6th rune bonus (swiftness on heal). Now, I feel like an idiot, lol.

the only thing that would force me into underwater combat is underwater kills for daily, escaping, traveling, or farming coral.

if you want swiftness underwater just use a spear.

LOL i like that BoH are esentially worthless some armor a few siege pieces and a pile in the bank it means people that go into WvW are there for the game not to farm

Would you want a system where the best way to get ascended gear was a zerg, no interest ing supply/forts/tatics.

People farm what they feel is the easiest/quickest to get their “stuff” you make other players the easiest thing to farm and its going to get messy.

and it would probably give me the WvW survival time of a snow flake in Mount Maelstrom where under the current system i have risen to the dizzy heights of speed bump