Guild Wars 2

Natto.5819:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

You’ve never answered the pertinent question. Was this ‘fictional’ character AFK-farming or not? No matter if said character broke the 3 rules or not?

If in this ‘fictitious’ scenario, the character was only AFK, and not using any skills, whatsoever (as you seem to want to imply, as Auto-cast Skill #1 won’t cast without a target), why not just say, “I believe my account was unfairly actioned as an AFK-farmer, when I was just AFK”, instead of saying you interpreted the rules to mean you could farm in this spot because you did not break all 3 rules?

The whole scenario is suspect.

Again, were you, or were you not AFK-farming?

I think he just wants us to test his theories in game so he doesn’t get into more trouble. And he can’t complain that he was unfairly actioned, since that is against forum rules, which is why he’s talking about a “fictional situation” to get around that rule. A moderator sent me a message saying they had to delete a bunch of his posts that I replied to already.

If you dont want to do your own investigation then you could use
the finding’s of mr:mtpelion.4562

If you dont have (and dont want to gain) the Knowledge nessesary
fo fully understand the contents of this Debate then perhaps you
should just stop posting in this Thread as you are Cluttering up
the Thread with post’s that has little to no meaning and relevance.

And the post’s where Deleted as you where not behaving all that
well at first and where i quoted you in my responding Post’s, thus
my post’s with the quote in also had to be removed.

Only Post of mine that got deleted on it’s own was a Post where i
Presented an Analogy that had Relevance to the 3 point System . .
That Post was deemed Off-Topic and was thus Removed.

Since we want to bring up our History here.
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¥ameon

Lord Yameon.5902:

And it is not Interpreted . . if you carefully read the Rules it actually
leaves a potential Loophole that some may try to use to their
Advantage as they could be led to think that it would not be against
the Rules to operate in such a fashion.

What loophole?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

5. CONDUCT

(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect in connection with Your use of the Service. You acknowledge that ArenaNet may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time.

(d)(i) Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that have merit – ArenaNet may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account, including but not limited to providing You with a warning, penalties, and in certain cases termination of an Account under Section 3(b). ArenaNet has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account.

To make it simple to understand, Anet can do what they want, if they want to, when they want to, without having to explain why.

Short version:

If you have autocast on skill #1, walking away from your PC while you are engaged in combat will result in your character continuing combat while you are away until such time as the mob you had targeted is dead (or moves behind you) at which point your character stops auto-casting. This would NOT represent AFK farming, unless it was evident that you had taken some other action to ensure that your character would continue to fight after the first enemy died or otherwise avoided the automatic logout system.

Walking away when not in combat will result in your character never attacking.

In both cases above, pets/minions/turrets COULD engage in combat which could/would run afoul of the AFK farming rules depending on the facts and circumstances.

If you have autocast on any other skill (that does not require a target), walking away from your PC would definitely be more likely to be deemed AFK farming since you would be initiating combat while away (every time the autocast goes off).

In any given scenario, fictional or otherwise, the GM who investigates will be looking at the facts and circumstances of the situation to make a judgment call.

Generally speaking, the safe route for stepping away briefly is to park yourself far away from any mob spawns or hop into your Guild Hall/PvP Lobby. Having to be AFK is a fact of life, and they aren’t looking to create ticky-tack rules to penalize you for it, however they do need to make the policy against unattended gameplay general enough to be useful in those cases where it is evident a player found a loophole.

Again, you did not answer the question. No problem, I think we all understand.

Natto.5819:

What loophole?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

5. CONDUCT

(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect in connection with Your use of the Service. You acknowledge that ArenaNet may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time.

(d)(i) Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that have merit – ArenaNet may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account, including but not limited to providing You with a warning, penalties, and in certain cases termination of an Account under Section 3(b). ArenaNet has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account.

To make it simple to understand, Anet can do what they want, if they want to, when they want to, without having to explain why.

End of any discussion. They can ban you for any reason they want. You do not own any of your virtual items.

I am convinced, since he just keeps copying and pasting most of his text, he is just trolling to see how long he can keep this going.

There are no loopholes. The rules make sense to anyone who is not trying to find justification for AFK farming, and not even a another post from Arenanet or from a deity from any religion posting here will change this guys story/troll quest.

Lord Yameon.5902:

Natto.5819:

Lord Yameon.5902:

And it is not Interpreted . . if you carefully read the Rules it actually
leaves a potential Loophole that some may try to use to their
Advantage as they could be led to think that it would not be against
the Rules to operate in such a fashion.

What loophole?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

5. CONDUCT

(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect in connection with Your use of the Service. You acknowledge that ArenaNet may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time.

(d)(i) Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that have merit – ArenaNet may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account, including but not limited to providing You with a warning, penalties, and in certain cases termination of an Account under Section 3(b). ArenaNet has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account.

To make it simple to understand, Anet can do what they want, if they want to, when they want to, without having to explain why.

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You are still contributing nothing of value.

Either get on Topic or Stop Posting.
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¥ameon

You’re kidding right? I just linked you the User Agreement. It basically answered all your questions. I think you’re just mad that you got punished for breaking a rule.

Maybe a moderator needs to step in because you refuse to understand the rules.

Natto.5819:

Lord Yameon.5902:

Natto.5819:

Lord Yameon.5902:

And it is not Interpreted . . if you carefully read the Rules it actually
leaves a potential Loophole that some may try to use to their
Advantage as they could be led to think that it would not be against
the Rules to operate in such a fashion.

What loophole?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

5. CONDUCT

(a) It is Your responsibility to read, understand and accept the Rules of Conduct in effect in connection with Your use of the Service. You acknowledge that ArenaNet may make changes to the Rules of Conduct at any time.

(d)(i) Reported violations of Rules of Conduct that have merit – ArenaNet may take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account, including but not limited to providing You with a warning, penalties, and in certain cases termination of an Account under Section 3(b). ArenaNet has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever, based on communications regarding violation of the Rules of Conduct related to any Account.

To make it simple to understand, Anet can do what they want, if they want to, when they want to, without having to explain why.

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You are still contributing nothing of value.

Either get on Topic or Stop Posting.
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¥ameon

You’re kidding right? I just linked you the User Agreement. It basically answered all your questions. I think you’re just mad that you got punished for breaking a rule.

It did not answer any of my Questions.

But thanks for trying.
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¥ameon

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Again, you did not answer the question. No problem, I think we all understand.

I didnt find a question that i deemed relevant to answer.

Pardon.
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¥ameon

Lord Yameon.5902:

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It did not answer any of my Questions.

But thanks for trying.
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¥ameon

In order for the User Agreement to answer your questions, you first have to read it. I did you a favor by pointing to the exact text related to your “fictional situation”.

He always skips the posts where people answer his questions.

Auto cast 1 does NOT keep casting when being attacked without a 3rd party program selecting targets to attack. The default auto attack is skill 1 (even for ele).

1. auto attack default set to skill 1
2. place character in an area advantageous to you
3. walk away from computer

A GM is never going to whisper you, because you died to the first mob that attacked you. If you didn’t die to the first mob that attacked you, you are using a 3rd party program to target, in which case you can be actioned.

Natto.5819:

Lord Yameon.5902:

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It did not answer any of my Questions.

But thanks for trying.
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¥ameon

In order for the User Agreement to answer your questions, you first have to read it. I did you a favor by pointing to the exact text related to your “fictional situation”.

But the thing is that you dont understand the Fictional Scenario.
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¥ameon

Lord Yameon.5902:

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But the thing is that you dont understand the Fictional Scenario.
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¥ameon

If the situation is fictional, by definition it didn’t happen. So if it didn’t happen, there’s nothing to understand. But the User Agreement is non-fiction. It’s real. And you need to read it.

Ubi.4136:

He always skips the posts where people answer his questions.

Auto cast 1 does NOT keep casting when being attacked without a 3rd party program selecting targets to attack. The default auto attack is skill 1 (even for ele).

1. auto attack default set to skill 1
2. place character in an area advantageous to you
3. walk away from computer

A GM is never going to whisper you, because you died to the first mob that attacked you. If you didn’t die to the first mob that attacked you, you are using a 3rd party program to target, in which case you can be actioned.

But let’s say for Arguments Sake that in this Fictional Scenario the Fictional Elementalist does not die easily and does not use a 3rd party Program . . .

Then how do the Rules apply.

(Pardon for missing your post earlyer)
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¥ameon

Lord Yameon.5902:

Then how do the Rules apply.

I’ll explain it to you again, but this time more direct and simple:

Per User Agreement ~ “ArenaNet has no obligation to explain any decision to take any action, or no action whatsoever”

Lord Yameon.5902:

Ubi.4136:

He always skips the posts where people answer his questions.

Auto cast 1 does NOT keep casting when being attacked without a 3rd party program selecting targets to attack. The default auto attack is skill 1 (even for ele).

1. auto attack default set to skill 1
2. place character in an area advantageous to you
3. walk away from computer

A GM is never going to whisper you, because you died to the first mob that attacked you. If you didn’t die to the first mob that attacked you, you are using a 3rd party program to target, in which case you can be actioned.

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But let’s say for Arguments Sake that in this Fictional Scenario the Fictional Elementalist does not die easily and does not use a 3rd party Program . . .

Then how do the Rules apply.

(Pardon for missing your post earlyer)
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¥ameon

Even with tons of passive regen, the fictional player would never attack, never kill a mob and never get loot. The rules still apply, but since the player is not gaining anything from being AFK there is no issue.