Guild Wars 2

Maybe I should take a break…from the forums. lol

I agree. If I had to grind for stuff, I’d hate it.

Aw, but then who would we all argue with? :p

I stand by it – hate the forums, take a break. If not, keep up the posting. I usually enjoy reading what you have to say, even if I disagree. A well thought-out argument is always good to read.

Best break from gw2 is to get back to gw1 and feel gw1 is far superior game, and game rocks on wine ^^!

Aeolus.3615:

Best break from gw2 is to get back to gw1 and feel gw1 is far superior game lol!

I tried playing some gw1 recently. Can’t do it xD It’s too out dated. It was super fun years ago

Aeolus.3615:

Best break from gw2 is to get back to gw1 and feel gw1 is far superior game lol!

True that! I play GW rather frequently now. And some other games, too. GW2 is way too shallow and grindy for my taste, but I am hoping that in a year or two they’ll have it in the shape it should be.

So I check back here from time to time and see if the things people complain about have changed…so far, a few things have, but mostly not.

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

Hell Avenger.7021:

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

Where did I fail to realise that? I’ve outright asked people to post their criticism. But having a criticism of the game isn’t the same thing as not enjoying the game to the point where you literally feel like something is forcing you to play it.

There is literally no point at all in playing any game you feel forced to play. Just having some frustrations with it but enjoying it nonetheless is normal.

Read the post again and try and understand where I’m coming from, then flame it if you must. Nowhere have I told anyone just to leave and don’t come back.

Hell Avenger.7021:

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

He said that criticism is perfect for the game, but he mentions that people go on just to say “this game is a chore” which is not constructive at all. If you enjoy the game but want to be constructive on things you have problems with fine, but if all you’re doing is not having fun and you have nothing good to add then there is no point in complaining.

New Character Yo.6487:

Hell Avenger.7021:

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

He said that criticism is perfect for the game, but he mentions that people go on just to say “this game is a chore” which is not constructive at all. If you enjoy the game but want to be constructive on things you have problems with fine, but if all you’re doing is not having fun and you have nothing good to add then there is no point in complaining.

^Exactly! Thank you. (oh, and “she”, not “he”, :p)

“What is it that you are aiming for that absolutely necessitates you turn this game on and force yourself through 3 or more hours of gameplay that you don’t enjoy?”

With the addition of achievement point rewards and the availability of some achievements linked to temporary Living Story content there are no doubt going to be some who force themselves to log in to get those achievements.

I wholeheartedly agree with the notion that one should not force him/herself to play a video game in a way they don’t enjoy, but there are far more then you and I who are driven for the need to obtain carrots.

Let’s be honest about this post. What is the point? Telling people to take a break? Seriously?

Or you just want to tell people stop whining

Anyway, people do what they do. It is not in your place to tell people what they should do. They are OCD, let them be.

darkace.8925:

“What is it that you are aiming for that absolutely necessitates you turn this game on and force yourself through 3 or more hours of gameplay that you don’t enjoy?”

With the addition of achievement point rewards and the availability of some achievements linked to temporary Living Story content there are no doubt going to be some who force themselves to log in to get those achievements.

I wholeheartedly agree with the notion that one should not force him/herself to play a video game in a way they don’t enjoy, but there are far more then you and I who are driven for the need to obtain carrots.

Yeah, I realise that. I tried to word the question to try and impress the point that nothing bad is going to happen by NOT getting these achievements. But I completely understand it – it’s one of the criticisms I did have at first about the Living Story and the way it was going – it seemed very much to encourage this kind of thinking (possibly intended that way). But really, there isn’t anything you’re missing by this, so it’s NOT the end of the world to miss out occasionally because nothing fundamental to the game will change and leave you behind.

Maybe I could have been clearer on that point. Hope that clarifies my position.

Hell Avenger.7021:

Let’s be honest about this post. What is the point? Telling people to take a break? Seriously?

Don’t have to post in this thread if you don’t want.

And yes, it’s suggesting people take a break if they feel forced to play the game. You might as well post on nearly every other thread asking what’s the point if you’re going to be like that. What’s the point of people posting that they haven’t found a Jade ticket? What’s the point of posting to say you don’t like the game and offering absolutely nothing constructive? What’s the point in a lot of these posts? They’re suggestions for something that genuinely might help other people.

I genuinely think if people read and understand my post they might actually realise the source of many of their frustrations, and do something that might make their enjoyment of the game increase. Sure, it’s not a vital post, but it’s not a totally worthless one either imo. If it is in your opinion, then I’m cool with that. You don’t HAVE to comment on it.

What’s the point of your comment?

CrossedHorse.4261:

Hell Avenger.7021:

Let’s be honest about this post. What is the point? Telling people to take a break? Seriously?

Don’t have to post in this thread if you don’t want.

And yes, it’s suggesting people take a break if they feel forced to play the game. You might as well post on nearly every other thread asking what’s the point if you’re going to be like that. What’s the point of people posting that they haven’t found a Jade ticket? What’s the point of posting to say you don’t like the game and offering absolutely nothing constructive? What’s the point in a lot of these posts? They’re suggestions for something that genuinely might help other people.

I genuinely think if people read and understand my post they might actually realise the source of many of their frustrations, and do something that might make their enjoyment of the game increase. Sure, it’s not a vital post, but it’s not a totally worthless one either imo. If it is in your opinion, then I’m cool with that. You don’t HAVE to comment on it.

What’s the point of your comment?

Here we go again with the same attitude, “Don’t post here if you don’t want.” Wait a minute? I do want to post here.

My point is it isn’t your place to tell people what to do. People can decide for themselves, let it be good or bad.

Maybe I should use your mentality and tell you, “Don’t read their whining post if you don’t want.” lol

Glad I’m not forced to read that entire post. Geez, are your fingers sore? But, ya, totally agree.

Hell Avenger.7021:

CrossedHorse.4261:

Hell Avenger.7021:

Let’s be honest about this post. What is the point? Telling people to take a break? Seriously?

Don’t have to post in this thread if you don’t want.

And yes, it’s suggesting people take a break if they feel forced to play the game. You might as well post on nearly every other thread asking what’s the point if you’re going to be like that. What’s the point of people posting that they haven’t found a Jade ticket? What’s the point of posting to say you don’t like the game and offering absolutely nothing constructive? What’s the point in a lot of these posts? They’re suggestions for something that genuinely might help other people.

I genuinely think if people read and understand my post they might actually realise the source of many of their frustrations, and do something that might make their enjoyment of the game increase. Sure, it’s not a vital post, but it’s not a totally worthless one either imo. If it is in your opinion, then I’m cool with that. You don’t HAVE to comment on it.

What’s the point of your comment?

Here we go again with the same attitude, “Don’t post here if you don’t want.” Wait a minute? I do want to post here.

My point is it isn’t your place to tell people what to do. People can decide for themselves, let it be good or bad.

Maybe I should use your mentality and tell you, “Don’t read their whining post if you don’t want.” lol

It’s not the same attitude. And actually, if you’d really understood what my original post was about, you’d see that. But it doesn’t matter.

I’m not telling someone what they have to do. THAT IS MY POINT. I am SUGGESTING that they shouldn’t feel like they need to play the game. People are saying they feel forced. I’m saying there’s no reason for that. Please don’t feel forced as nobody is forcing you to play if you don’t want.

Hopefully the shorter version is clearer for you.

Edit: and, for the irony, by telling me it’s not my place to tell people what to do, you’re telling me what to do, which is what you’re telling me not to do, which … I mean, the cycle is endless. Do you really want to start this?

A lot of people like the game, but to them it has glaring flaws and they express that in a way that, in typical gamer fashion, comes off a bit too strong. Words like “suck,” “fail” and “I hate…” are not as strong in gamer speak as they are in other hobbies, not in my experience at least. Gamers are, like, ultra critical too; If the heavens opened, and fanfare played as giant hand delivered this game and it gave one an orgasm and made one feel like the best drugs in the world, all while improving health and adding years to one’s life gamers would still whine.

Also, on another level, some people are simply addicted to games like this. I am reminded of the guy sipping whiskey while puffing a cigarette telling me how much he hates cigarettes and how, as the Irish song puts it, “whiskey you are the devil.” Addiction.

Nuage, you sir are a smart fellow.

I think a lot of it is that people feel if they don’t make something SOUND really bad, no one will take any notice.

It’s not enough for most people to say: I’m not thinking this temporary content works because ABC.

They have to make it sound worse, to try to get it changed. Temporary content is ruining this game.

It’s not because people are gamers, it’s because people are naturally manipulative. We learn how to manipulate from a young age, and then we spend the rest of our lives doing the same thing. Trying to convince your wife to watch a certain movie with you, you use spin. It’s human nature.

So you come onto a game forum and want something changed, you try to paint it in the most negative light possible, trying to show that it’s really really bad, so maybe it will be changed.

People dont’ realize that overstating things affects their credibility though. Sometimes, less is more.

In a way, it’s lovely that people care so much. In another way, it’s pretty scary, lol.

CrossedHorse.4261:

In a way, it’s lovely that people care so much. In another way, it’s pretty scary, lol.

+1, lol.

Op, those are exactly my feelings, I mean whats wrong with people these days?
That´s my main argument as well, If you don’t enjoy it or feel it so lackluster then why keep doing it, why keep on “enduring” the pain and suffering?

Sure as it has been said, criticism is the only way to develop new strategies, for what gets me the most is not only the lack of human education, but also the lack of available wording in some peoples language repertoire, I mean sometimes its like trying to communicate with people from the dawn of time, when only grunts and farts were at our disposal to express unhappiness.

Sometimes I feel like this internet thing has devolved our most basic human attributes, what do they teach kids these days at school? everyone is on the defensive, everyone feels offended by the most banal and irrelevant issues, gaming forums are vanguard outposts, one can get a pretty good idea about the way things are in the macrocosms by analyzing what goes on in here…

In a way its scary that people care so much, in another its sad, that we having so much to our favor, care for so little…

So far I´m enjoying GW2 like no other game in years!
so keep it coming!
cheers!

Lol, Prophet, you’re not wrong about the internet in general. I think it has much to do with the anonymity you are afforded on forums, for instance. I mean, you’re rude to somebody’s face, they can settle the score. But on the internet nobody has a face (well, unless they choose to put it out there, of course), so people get free reign to pretty much get away with things they probably wouldn’t dream of doing in real life.

It’s a shame, as you say, because the internet offers us so many wonderful things. Still, for every flamer/troll out there, there is a real gem, so it’s not all bad.

I wouldn’t say that there’s something “wrong” with people continuing playing this game even if all they find is stuff to complain about. There have been some other great posts on here about the addictive nature of games. SimCity, is one in particular – I sit there for hours before I really think “What am I doing? I’m so bored!” But I think it is a point that people tend to forget that there’s nothing really to be scared about by not playing this game for a while and coming back to it when they might find it more fun. I really hope they don’t leave – so if it’s a case of put it down for a couple of weeks, pick it up again and fall back in love with it, that’s a much better thing than playing it to death, hating it all the way then chucking it down the toilet in disgust.

I just figure that most of the people complaining are relatively young. Some people never break the habit, but it’s more common in young people to overstate things like this. Typical teenager:

Thursday: “Trish dumped me! My life is over! I’ll never meet someone like her ever again! I can’t go on!”

Sunday: “I went out with Jen last night. She’s the most wonderful girl in the world! We’re going to be together forever! My life is perfect!”

With that kind of attitude, everything is a crisis, or a celebration. After you’ve been married and divorced twice, it’s not such a big deal.

Also consider the habits taught by years of playing sub-based MMOs that use psychological tricks to keep you logging in long after the magic is gone. Some people just have the idea that a game like this is a commitment as strong as their job or marriage, and don’t move on without a great deal of effort and consideration.

The forums naturally attract the game’s most dedicated players, instead of just shouting out in chat you have to make an effort to look for the forums, log on (sometimes even creating a separate account to do so) and write about your concerns. The people who can pick up and drop an MMO casually usually aren’t compelled to share their experiences with strangers like this.

Also, trolling. Take any complaint about the game, turn it up to 11, then sit back and watch the fireworks. Just because someone makes a statement doesn’t mean that they really feel that way.

In either case, it’s very difficult to have a reasonable conversation with someone doing this.

Lol, how young are we talking? I’m starting to feel old at only 26 …

@tolunart
Thats the thing that gets me the most, some act like children while being adults, so it just seems like they are 11…
Humanity grows but does not mature in many ways.

breaking habits is hard, but aren’t we rational beings that can discern the gold from the hay? yeah I know its a rhetorical question

Sometimes I think that the perceived added value of these kinds of entertainment are to blame, if you put money into it, its deemed much more “valuable” thus the obsessive compulsion comes forth, and as it has been said some take it as a job rather than a form of entertainment, its a scary thought that our modern lives value so much our “free time”, when did we stop “just having fun” playing games?

strange times on planet earth!

hey CrossedHorse, feeling old at 26? just wait until you break the 30s barrier, sometimes I just don’t feel old, but ancient, thing is that I´m from the future, conceived in outer space, but built with vintage parts…

CrossedHorse.4261:

Lol, how young are we talking? I’m starting to feel old at only 26 …

LOL you can start talking about feeling old in 14 years… some people never grow up, though, so it’s more a matter of attitude than actual age. As a general rule of thumb the teens are a roller coaster ride of emotions, you start figuring things out in your 20s, get some perspective in your 30s, and learn that you don’t really know as much as you thought you knew in your 40s. You start getting a clue in your 50s. By age 60 or 70 you’re getting somewhere.

Lol, well I look forward to my 60s in that case! Maybe by that time I’ll work it out …

CrossedHorse.4261:

Lol, how young are we talking? I’m starting to feel old at only 26 …

Yep, it’s over, only going downhill from now. Sorry, thought it’s best to break it directly to you. Actually I think the age is 25, at least for men …

Lol

Edit: P.S. Biologically speaking – well this info is around 20 years old, there might be a new statistic.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Lol, well I look forward to my 60s in that case! Maybe by that time I’ll work it out …

You won’t have it figured out but it will not longer be a problem that you don’t have it figured out.

TheProphetOmega.3596:

@tolunart
Thats the thing that gets me the most, some act like children while being adults, so it just seems like they are 11…
Humanity grows but does not mature in many ways.

breaking habits is hard, but aren’t we rational beings that can discern the gold from the hay? yeah I know its a rhetorical question

Sometimes I think that the perceived added value of these kinds of entertainment are to blame, if you put money into it, its deemed much more “valuable” thus the obsessive compulsion comes forth, and as it has been said some take it as a job rather than a form of entertainment, its a scary thought that our modern lives value so much our “free time”, when did we stop “just having fun” playing games?

strange times on planet earth!

hey CrossedHorse, feeling old at 26? just wait until you break the 30s barrier, sometimes I just don’t feel old, but ancient, thing is that I´m from the future, conceived in outer space, but built with vintage parts…

I do think the extreme attitude is a tiny minority of players, it just gets blown out of proportion because the majority of people on the forums are there because they have a strong opinion about the subject, either for or against.

It has been pointed out that MMOs are a niche in the gaming industry by themselves, there are relatively few active MMOs in the first place, only a handful of very popular ones, and the vast majority of gamers refuse to even go near one, probably because they don’t want to make such a commitment to logging in on a regular basis and keeping up with changes and expansions to the game.

Most gamers consume games, play them for a few days or weeks then move on to the next, perhaps revisiting the game once in a while when they feel like it, but the vast majority have nowhere near the kind of attachment to a specific game that you see in MMOs. Even within MMOs most players approach things casually, playing when they have time and feel like it, rather than feeling pressured to complete every daily task.

Most gamers, in fact, are sensible enough to realize that they will never have the +Infinity Sword of Awesomeness or be one of the first to take down the boss Kurz the Terrible with 19 of their closest internet friends, because of the commitment to the game that these things require. And besides, if they want to see the boss fight someone else has already posted it to YouTube.

So, even among the extreme minority of gamers who play MMOs, the people posting here are among the extreme minority of dedicated players.

I think Vayne got it right in his first post above in assuming that this is a complaint against those complaining about the level of grind in the game. And I think the OP can be summed up as don’t complain about grinding in the game because there is no need to grind, and if you do it’s your own fault.

I have to disagree. I believe Anet got one thing absolutely right in their statement “we don’t make grindy games”, and that is that grind in a game is solely achieved through game design. It’s really not subjective and its certainly not something players add to a game. Players can like grinding or dislike it, but they can’t create it in a game. It is a game element that is added to games by a game developer.

And I agree with Anet on this. So, the debate on the forums, I believe, is legitimate. Usually there are two camps in the debate; those that favor grinding (and I’m using grind here in it’s negative connotation) and those who don’t. Here on the forums we have a third camp, which I have never really understood, those who don’t believe in grinds, or at least don’t believe they exist by design in GW2.

Rather than counsel those who feel there is too much grind in the game to take a break, I prefer to counsel them to share their feelings and perceptions on the forums where others can engage with them and together we can work towards making GW2 a great game. The forums exist for 2-way communication about the state of the game. They will only fulfill their intended role when they are used. So my counsel, succinctly put, is don’t take a break if you are feeling forced to play. Keep playing the game and keep actively involved in the forums in order to make this the greatest MMO ever.

Raine.1394:

I think Vayne got it right in his first post above in assuming that this is a complaint against those complaining about the level of grind in the game. And I think the OP can be summed up as don’t complain about grinding in the game because there is no need to grind, and if you do it’s your own fault.

I have to disagree. I believe Anet got one thing absolutely right in their statement “we don’t make grindy games”, and that is that grind in a game is solely achieved through game design. It’s really not subjective and its certainly not something players add to a game. Players can like grinding or dislike it, but they can’t create it in a game. It is a game element that is added to games by a game developer.

And I agree with Anet on this. So, the debate on the forums, I believe, is legitimate. Usually there are two camps in the debate; those that favor grinding (and I’m using grind here in it’s negative connotation) and those who don’t. Here on the forums we have a third camp, which I have never really understood, those who don’t believe in grinds, or at least don’t believe they exist by design in GW2.

Rather than counsel those who feel there is too much grind in the game to take a break, I prefer to counsel them to share their feelings and perceptions on the forums where others can engage with them and together we can work towards making GW2 a great game. The forums exist for 2-way communication about the state of the game. They will only fulfill their intended role when they are used. So my counsel, succinctly put, is don’t take a break if you are feeling forced to play. Keep playing the game and keep actively involved in the forums in order to make this the greatest MMO ever.

Thanks, Raine – good post.

However, I disagree that my post is written as an anti-people complaining about grind. I believe that the game has some aspects of it, but also plenty of other aspects that aren’t grind, but I don’t mind if some people view it as one or the other or neither at all. My post was specifically aimed at people who have said they no longer enjoy the game (presumably at all) but feel forced to play it for a reason.

My post was to try and suggest a few reasons why that could be a mistake, and that to keep playing in those conditions is only to further dissatisfaction with the game. Sometimes, a break in these circumstances is what’s needed to remove this feeling. Sometimes it’s not, I realise that. And I encourage people to post their opinions on the forum and say what they feel could be done better, why they’re happy/not happy with the game as it is etc. So I think you are coming at it from the wrong angle. I apologise if you feel that it is implicit in my writing – I assure you that was not the intent.

Totally agree with the OP.

It’s ok to get bored with a game that you enjoy, it’s ok to drop it for a while, it’s ok to come back.

Where is it written in stone that MMOs have to be things that people have to play 24/7 all days in the year and keep enjoying it?

That sort of thing only ever happens once – in the game in which you first discovered the “magic” of MMOs, the one that you played for a year or more.

But if you don’t have that “magic” feeling of discovery of the MMO space, doing repetitive stuff without that motivation, that drive, just becomes a pain in the butt – a “grind”.

So if you feel you’re doing too much repetitive stuff, leave the game until you’ve forgotten it, come back when it’s fresh and when things have changed a bit. It’s almost guaranteed that you’ll enjoy it again.

Maybe not forced to play, but bad content is bad content (this new jp ><). When things that have been a problem since launch are still not dealt with you can’t deny theres an issue. Overall still love the game, but some things are just plain frustrating. Not difficult, just annoying to deal with.

CrossedHorse.4261:

What I’m seeing is a lot of players coming on here to express their frustration with GW2. That’s fair enough. What jumps out at me is people often claiming that they feel FORCED to play.

You are assuming people have a choice.

Ask those who have really big /ages, who spend most of their days playing. When you get honest replies, you will realize who they are – the unemployed guy who lives in a relative’s house, the guy married to a crippled woman who seeks to escape their lives by playing a game, the boy who’s simply addicted to grind, and so on.

In other words, people who feel like they don’t have a choice – that they must play a MMORPG. The kind of player who isn’t seeking a game, rather a way of life very different from the real thing.

This is, IMO, tremendously sad. But it’s the truth. And this kind of player will never really agree with those who want a game – it’s very different expectations. MMOs have catered to this kind of person, and found some measure of success, but at the price of being mostly mediocre games. Hence so many players’ obsession with farming, and why it has always been something easy and mindless – for someone without any kind of special skill, who feel completely useless in real life, watching his failure in game because he’s not good enough would likely make this player stop playing. No, the concept that anyone can be successful, the more time spent the better, is great to give those players the feeling of accomplishment that they cannot get in their real lives.

This is why MMORPGs likely won’t ever become more than the mediocre games they are right now. There is a significant number of players who crave being grinders, farmers, addicts and exploiters; who need this kind of thing to feel like they have at least a modicum of success in their lives. Even if said success is as meaningless and ephemeral as a sand castle by the sea.

Well aren’t you Mr. presumptuous?

Erasculio.2914:

CrossedHorse.4261:

What I’m seeing is a lot of players coming on here to express their frustration with GW2. That’s fair enough. What jumps out at me is people often claiming that they feel FORCED to play.

You are assuming people have a choice.

Ask those who have really big /ages, who spend most of their days playing. When you get honest replies, you will realize who they are – the unemployed guy who lives in a relative’s house, the guy married to a crippled woman who seeks to escape their lives by playing a game, the boy who’s simply addicted to grind, and so on.

In other words, people who feel like they don’t have a choice – that they must play a MMORPG. The kind of player who isn’t seeking a game, rather a way of life very different from the real thing.

This is, IMO, tremendously sad. But it’s the truth. And this kind of player will never really agree with those who want a game – it’s very different expectations. MMOs have catered to this kind of person, and found some measure of success, but at the price of being mostly mediocre games. Hence so many players’ obsession with farming, and why it has always been something easy and mindless – for someone without any kind of special skill, who feel completely useless in real life, watching his failure in game because he’s not good enough would likely make this player stop playing. No, the concept that anyone can be successful, the more time spent the better, is great to give those players the feeling of accomplishment that they cannot get in their real lives.

This is why MMORPGs likely won’t ever become more than the mediocre games they are right now. There is a significant number of players who crave being grinders, farmers, addicts and exploiters; who need this kind of thing to feel like they have at least a modicum of success in their lives. Even if said success is as meaningless and ephemeral as a sand castle by the sea.

Are there some sort of stats for this? I mean, that’s a very sad picture you paint (and while I’m sure that there ARE people like that who play – in EVERY game), I think you assume quite a bit yourself here.

But despite that, there is still a choice. Even if it’s to play this game in particular, so I feel that my comment about being forced to play GW2 being an illusion is still valid even in this situation, even if perhaps the illusion is so strong people can’t break it … hopefully some of the reasons I gave in the OP can help them see there isn’t anything attached to simply putting the game down for a while.

Also, this is not directed at you, specifically, but people seem to have misread the part where I am only suggesting a BREAK, not putting down the game altogether. The break may well lead to that, but that’s a personal choice. I am in now way simply saying that if you don’t like the game then get out.

But they are forcing you to play the stupid time limited content, if you don’t play when THEY want you to play you’re stuck with the same old content and that’s just stupid. Plus the achievements for the living story crap are a grindfest

Nurgle.6597:

But they are forcing you to play the stupid time limited content, if you don’t play when THEY want you to play you’re stuck with the same old content and that’s just stupid. Plus the achievements for the living story crap are a grindfest

This

If I don’t force myself to play, I miss ALL the new content, forever. I’ll never see the end of flame and frost because I didn’t force myself to play. I’ll never see the southsun thing because I didn’t force myself to play. I’ll never see whatever this pirate thing is unless I force myself to play. When I feel like playing, all I can do is finish part of content I know I’ll never see the end of unless I force myself to play later, or play the same old content that’s been in the game since day 1.

Furthermore, because they’ve decided to add a gear grind to the game (ascended) if I don’t force myself to play every day for the dailies, I fall further and further behind the power curve. Right now, it’s not a huge deal… but once full ascended is finally released it will be a big deal.

The whole game is structured in such a way that if you don’t force yourself to play all the time you might as well never play.

First Rule of MMO’s- Make people want to play your game…a lot.

Best way to do this- Quality content.

One of the worst ways to do this- Limited time content, or reverse time gating.

OP, you are actually working against Anet by telling people to take a break.

BurnedToast.3781:

The whole game is structured in such a way that if you don’t force yourself to play all the time you might as well never play.

If you don’t WANT to play, what’s the point of forcing yourself to play? If you want to play, you don’t need to force yourself to play.

I don’t understand the compulsion to play a game you don’t like. So what if you don’t experience the entire storyline… watch a playthrough of the dungeon on YouTube or something if you’re curious, but don’t want to play the game for a while.

The LS chapters are getting better, but they still aren’t going to win any awards for great writing… you literally will lose nothing by taking a break, but forcing yourself to play will just result in becoming burnt out on the game in general that much sooner.

killcannon.2576:

First Rule of MMO’s- Make people want to play your game…a lot.

Best way to do this- Quality content.

One of the worst ways to do this- Limited time content, or reverse time gating.

OP, you are actually working against Anet by telling people to take a break.

I see it differently. You’re doing Anet a favor by presenting an honest reaction to the game – if it’s not fun, don’t do it. People who log on because they feel compelled to, not because they want to, are still logging in. Anet can’t tell the difference and it makes it look like the game is more popular, that the LS content is more popular, than it really is.

So, if you don’t like the game as it is, the best thing to do is to play something you do like, not logging in will tell them a lot more about how you feel than playing the game when you don’t want to play.

If people only log in for quality content, then Anet will step up and release content their target market wants to play, rather than compelling them to login out of misplaced loyalty or some other compulsion.

tolunart.2095:

killcannon.2576:

First Rule of MMO’s- Make people want to play your game…a lot.

Best way to do this- Quality content.

One of the worst ways to do this- Limited time content, or reverse time gating.

OP, you are actually working against Anet by telling people to take a break.

I see it differently. You’re doing Anet a favor by presenting an honest reaction to the game – if it’s not fun, don’t do it. People who log on because they feel compelled to, not because they want to, are still logging in. Anet can’t tell the difference and it makes it look like the game is more popular, that the LS content is more popular, than it really is.

So, if you don’t like the game as it is, the best thing to do is to play something you do like, not logging in will tell them a lot more about how you feel than playing the game when you don’t want to play.

If people only log in for quality content, then Anet will step up and release content their target market wants to play, rather than compelling them to login out of misplaced loyalty or some other compulsion.

Valid points, but people should still complain before they up and quit…..err I mean take a break. Otherwise Anet will never know why they quit in the first place.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Hell Avenger.7021:

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

Where did I fail to realise that? I’ve outright asked people to post their criticism. But having a criticism of the game isn’t the same thing as not enjoying the game to the point where you literally feel like something is forcing you to play it.

“The game is a chore”, “I feel like i’m forced to play” are hyperboles. Simplifications. What the people really mean is “there are parts of the game i feel i am being forced into in order to be able to play the parts that i still enjoy”.

People that find the whole game completely unfun do leave, and thus will never read what you have posted.

Astralporing.1957:

“The game is a chore”, “I feel like i’m forced to play” are hyperboles. Simplifications. What the people really mean is “there are parts of the game i feel i am being forced into in order to be able to play the parts that i still enjoy”.

People that find the whole game completely unfun do leave, and thus will never read what you have posted.

This is true to a degree but it is fairly easy to find posts by people saying they quit soon after launch and the game still sucks. Would be nice if people where rational but we aren’t.

New Character Yo.6487:

Hell Avenger.7021:

lol, and I hate the people that says “if you don’t like it, leave.”

and you have to make a giant post about it. You failed to realize some people enjoy the game to certain extent, but there are problems with the game. Nothing is perfect, if you do not allow criticism, this game will not improve at all.

He said that criticism is perfect for the game, but he mentions that people go on just to say “this game is a chore” which is not constructive at all. If you enjoy the game but want to be constructive on things you have problems with fine, but if all you’re doing is not having fun and you have nothing good to add then there is no point in complaining.

I’ve been one of the loudest people here about the problems with this game and I agree they shouldn’t force themselves to play, however, they have the right to come here and complain about a product that failed to live up to it’s promises that were made prior to launch and that’s what we’re seeing here.

It’s true that some games go thru this period where they are trying to play catchup but that’s nowhere near the scale of what’s wrong with this title on multiple fundamental points.

Also, I believe it would have been way more constructive for the OP to suggest people go to the suggestion forums and make suggestions on how to improve the game while fulfilling their need to complain about a substandard product instead of just saying go play something else. (as I and many others have done in our posts, provide historic examples of better solutions to the problems this game faces along side our posts about our disappointments)

Limited content has its ups and downs. It does force you to play or you miss out, however it treats the game like a narrative that the players experience. It’s basically an interactive book.

Im not against or for this living story, some parts I loved while others left an bad impression for me. The best solution is as a post awhile back was about, a npc to let players re-experience content they missed. The rewards can be toned down, otherwise everyone would just relive the ancient karka and get a precursor over and over but to experience it and get some reward whether it be ap’s (which are going to be useful soon) or titles or a skin that was exclusive to that event (not gem store items).

Many options to go about this while keeping the evolving content moto. Another thing is to not make content that just promotes mesmer portals. Make a reasonable jp that has no way to portal to the end with and theres the perfect jp. This new one is just too obnoxious to want to repeat, there are no safety nets, no checkpoints. You fall you dead/restarting.

killcannon.2576:

Valid points, but people should still complain before they up and quit…..err I mean take a break. Otherwise Anet will never know why they quit in the first place.

Many of the complaints on the forums are so inarticulate and unhelpful that Anet staff most likely ignore them anyway. It’s assumed that, with the nature of the experimental content in the game, the traditional MMO “hardcore” player is not the target market, and attempts to appease them have fallen short anyway, and will continue to do so.

It’s a niche audience within a niche market and if Anet wants to appeal to a wider group of gamers they’ll have to admit that the hardcore audience will never be satisfied and it’s best to let them move on than to alienate other gamers by trying to please them – and the hardcores are probably the hardest group to please in the first place because you need to constantly challenge them. This is nearly impossible without using the tricks of traditional MMOs like raid tiers and gear resets.

I think most of the complaints are coming from people who aren’t quite sure what they want or how to get it, but are uncomfortable because the game goes into territory that is outside their familiar comfort zones.