Guild Wars 2

Horrorscope.7632:

Player. I would like to say for those still playing, that once you are done with the game a short while after (handful of days) you would go pursue other things, then act only as a poster here. There are plenty of players carrying the “we need this” posts, that the current playing base can let the dev team know how things are going and what is needed, without ex’s piling on.

By staying it’s going to be too much negative, it doesn’t really enhance the game for those till playing. There is a time to hang it up and just move on. We’ve all been there with one game or another, show class, see yourself out.

You’re acting like the ex-players are just hanging around to bully the current players or to unburden themselves of whines and moans. While I’ve seen one or two posters actively hostile toward GW2, most of us are actually here because we care about the game and about ANet and about our guilds, etc.

Meret.5943:

Horrorscope.7632:

Player. I would like to say for those still playing, that once you are done with the game a short while after (handful of days) you would go pursue other things, then act only as a poster here. There are plenty of players carrying the “we need this” posts, that the current playing base can let the dev team know how things are going and what is needed, without ex’s piling on.

By staying it’s going to be too much negative, it doesn’t really enhance the game for those till playing. There is a time to hang it up and just move on. We’ve all been there with one game or another, show class, see yourself out.

You’re acting like the ex-players are just hanging around to bully the current players or to unburden themselves of whines and moans. While I’ve seen one or two posters actively hostile toward GW2, most of us are actually here because we care about the game and about ANet and about our guilds, etc.

If you cared about the game you would play it, not lurk on the forums.
Words are all you ex players are good for.

Meret.5943:

Horrorscope.7632:

Player. I would like to say for those still playing, that once you are done with the game a short while after (handful of days) you would go pursue other things, then act only as a poster here. There are plenty of players carrying the “we need this” posts, that the current playing base can let the dev team know how things are going and what is needed, without ex’s piling on.

By staying it’s going to be too much negative, it doesn’t really enhance the game for those till playing. There is a time to hang it up and just move on. We’ve all been there with one game or another, show class, see yourself out.

You’re acting like the ex-players are just hanging around to bully the current players or to unburden themselves of whines and moans. While I’ve seen one or two posters actively hostile toward GW2, most of us are actually here because we care about the game and about ANet and about our guilds, etc.

I took the OP’s words as an ex-player not coming back “but the game simply isn’t for me.” sounds like someone done. Otherwise I think that should have been made clearer. If you are not coming back there is no need to care about the game or guilds within it. If you do plan on coming back, then to me you are a player. My words were for the player who is done but would stick around for a long period after quitting, sounds a bit vendetta’ish, rise above.

killcannon.2576:

If you cared about the game you would play it, not lurk on the forums.
Words are all you ex players are good for.

You don’t have to play the game to care about it. I care about the genre and not having it derail more than it already has… so I post here to try and shine a light on the mistakes ArenaNet made in making their MMORPG… which I no longer play because of those.

Abbehemoth.2471:

Glitch.6849:

Player for the moment. Just too many hiccups have really tarnished the rep and made the game a lot less enjoyable. That’s putting it very nicely. My current community corner is what keeps me from just raging and demanding a full refund.

Guesting issue has really made me into a disgusting unhappy troll.

A refound after how many hours of gameplay? Just wondering..

This is after 600+ hours of gaming. Playing very casually. I really enjoyed the game from the start met amazing people.

I’m currently occupied with being a Doctor. I care about the people. The game and company? I not too sure anymore.

Dec/Jan I’ve been having problems that haven’t been solved, then Guesting just made me rage so much inside. The game is good, I just reformed my current view of GW2. There are some amazing people such as Colin Johanson, Jon Peters (even though doesn’t have a forum presence). People like Colin seem to have a genuine desire to make this really good but seem to be having their hands tied behind their backs.

The game is still good. The original concept and my outlook has changed quite a bit.
Then now I have CTD’s with all solutions even creating new service ports etc. So I can’t even play the game properly. My bro won’t game either as I’m not on and then his buddy won’t game either. So indirectly they lose 3 people but then again they don’t care anymore.

Zeldain.5710:

killcannon.2576:

If you cared about the game you would play it, not lurk on the forums.
Words are all you ex players are good for.

You don’t have to play the game to care about it. I care about the genre and not having it derail more than it already has… so I post here to try and shine a light on the mistakes ArenaNet made in making their MMORPG… which I no longer play because of those.

Here’s a great place to talk about MMO’s overall, what the genre is doing wrong, where it needs to go etc.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/51/The-Pub-at-MMORPGCOM.html

Those still playing still want more. We will continue to shine the light on their mistakes and our needs. You can stay certainly, but we can carry the torch for you as well.

Just logging on to say that I don’t really play anymore after all the questions thrown up by the latest content – and also some bad experiences trying to discuss things sensibly on this board (not with fellow posters – you do the maths).

I’m checking back to this board every so often to see what the feeling is about the direction of the game. If it does significantly improve and get back to story-centered events and challenges, I can boot it up again then, but I’ve been thoroughly put off by the direction the game has been taken in.

Poster, waiting to be a “player” again.
None of my friends are playing anymore after investing 1100+ hours per person (we’re a group of 5). We’re kind of waiting for the early patches this year to decide on whether or not we want to keep going. I love you GW2, but I don’t really have a reason to sign on anymore. I’m just….bored. I really wanted WvW to be awesome but for some reason, it’s been so neglected. I’m not even sure how much will change with the new update. Oh the zerging…

killcannon.2576:

Meret.5943:

Horrorscope.7632:

Player. I would like to say for those still playing, that once you are done with the game a short while after (handful of days) you would go pursue other things, then act only as a poster here. There are plenty of players carrying the “we need this” posts, that the current playing base can let the dev team know how things are going and what is needed, without ex’s piling on.

By staying it’s going to be too much negative, it doesn’t really enhance the game for those till playing. There is a time to hang it up and just move on. We’ve all been there with one game or another, show class, see yourself out.

You’re acting like the ex-players are just hanging around to bully the current players or to unburden themselves of whines and moans. While I’ve seen one or two posters actively hostile toward GW2, most of us are actually here because we care about the game and about ANet and about our guilds, etc.

If you cared about the game you would play it, not lurk on the forums.
Words are all you ex players are good for.

You don’t know me, you don’t speak for me. I played GW from a month after launch. I have a lot of time, effort, friendship, and emotion invested in ANet over the years. It may not mean anything to you, that’s fine, I don’t care—but it sure as hell means something to me.

Iam currrently a poster, but will be a player again once I complete the games I got in the Steam sale. I wont play as much though and will only play Gw2 when Iam bored and don’t have much else to play.

Zeldain.5710:

I think players who post but don’t play bring a very unique — and important — perspective to discussion about the game.

I think people that post but don’t play bring very little to any discussion. Especially those that say things like, “I haven’t logged in since 2 weeks after launch” or “WoW is so wonderful, you guys should come play”. They have no idea what updates and patches have brought to the ingame experience, they are operating on old info.

For all we know they haven’t even rolled a toon, just bought the account to gamebash or try to promote their favorite game, they may have been banned for exploiting or talking trash for all we know

The game did not die when you stopped playing. Colin stated in the interview yesterday that both sales and concurrency are up, we see iit in game, they lift the server caps every 2 weeks or so and within a week 1/2 the servers are already capped at Full again.

Game’s doing great, people everywhere. Not surprising, it’s a really great game

Karizee.8076:

For all we know they haven’t even rolled a toon, just bought the account to gamebash or try to promote their favorite game

Oh brother. If it comes to that, “for all we know,” you work for ANet.

But for real, when you see people who admit to posting but not playing in a while, are they just randomly promoting other games? Or are they (we) providing input, clarification, ideas for the game? Would you be able to tell the difference between Suggestion forum posts from a current player and an ex-player, unless they admitted it?

Like I said, some of us are long-time GW players waiting to see what kind of game GW2 will decide to be before coming back to it. We want the best for the game. Therefore, we post.

Play loads, its a superb game. Play time depends if I’m not working or have a free evening. But I post a bit as well.

The negativity and sounds of doom for the game populate all mmo forums – GW1 had it just as bad and many remember how it “would never last more than a couple of years if that”. All the Funcom ones are perhaps even worse – TSW (an excellent game) is much worse than here and the Anarchy Online (my fav game) only ever had bad postings for a few years and thats been going 11-12 years with a tiny tiny player base.

I’m not saying the negativity here isn’t always valid, a lot is, but a general discussion board like this will inevitably attract more angry postings than positive.

So much good content for them to roll out across the years ahead

i love the forums coz i get to practice my English. in game, i just kill centaurs.

I just logged out of the game to have a bite to eat, and came here to check the board-buzz. I left an event in a level 15-25 zone that was attended by about a dozen players. Of course there were more than that a few months ago; that’s the way online games typically work. WoW isn’t typical, and Guild Wars 2 doesn’t need WoWlike numbers to be a success.

Two things matter: Box sales and gem purchases. If ArenaNet says they’re doing well in their financial statements to their parent company, am I to believe a few ex-players who say otherwise? Think about the difference between someone who has quit the game and someone who is playing without any intention of buying gems. Retention rates are low, you say? Oh no, people are not paying their subscription fee!

I logged in to check out the Christmas decorations but haven’t actually played since November 15th. Visit the forums a couple times a week just to see if they come to their senses and go back to Horizontal non grind progression. When they do that I will consider trying the game again.

Poster, nothing to do once you cap.

Meret.5943:

But for real, when you see people who admit to posting but not playing in a while, are they just randomly promoting other games? Or are they (we) providing input, clarification, ideas for the game?

Often, they are haters who want the game to fail.

It’s amazing to watch how haters are common in MMO forums. It’s very easy to find people who want a game to fail. Typically they are the posters who complain about each single thing in the game, who make very constructive posts such as “This is not a good game” (without any kind of reasoning or constructive comment), who claim everyone with a different opinion is a “fanboy” or a “white knight”, and who never forget to mention how other MMO is much better (oh, and let’s not forget the occasional use of “made up numbers” as absolute proof that the game is dying, too).

It’s naive to think that everyone here wants GW2 to improve and become an even bigger success. As in any other MMO, haters are going to hate. The community and ArenaNet need to learn to identify those haters and ignore them.

Erasculio.2914:

Often, they are haters who want the game to fail.

Maybe some, I can’t speak for them.

But personally I wanted to like the game a lot, especially after waiting about 4 years for it. I spent a lot of money hoping I would like it. I still hope I will. And per some of the posters in this thread, the game is none of my business until that day. That is simply ridiculous to me.

Keiran.1896:

Active players, less than WoW I’d like to say, even if I prefer GW2.

How do I know? A few days ago I checked both WoW and GW2 pages on Facebook…

Last publication by World of Warcraft was 2 hours ago when I went there ; just over 8000 likes.
In that time, GW2 poorly manages to get 200-500 likes. When I came from WoW page, they were adding pictures to the fanart album posted over 1 month ago!! ; only 6000 likes.

So, several possibilities:
- Active players on WoW have 50 times more Facebook accounts than active players on GW2.
- GW2 posts crap so nobody likes it.
- GW2 is so awesome that players are stuck in the game and never go on facebook.
- GW2 has definitly less active players.

Active players on WoW have 50 times more Facebook accounts than active players on GW2.

This would make sense, since WoW is geared more towards children these days

Former players that don’t post need to do everyone a favor and quit the forums too. Your view/perspective on things, especially current things, is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what you think or feel about it, the only things you know about the game are out-dated and learned secondhand.. like from this forum. Also, just so the “posters” are aware, since they seem to think their little universe encompasses everything, the forum population is an extremely minor slice of the population. It’s also happens to have pretty much all of the foul, vitriolic, entitled whiny kitten of the population. The very best thing Arenanet could do for this game, is never listen to what is on this forum. People complain constantly about insignificant crap, and no one bothers to check their facts, ever. So you end up with the situation like here, where if the person posting isn’t WRONG, then the whatever being said is inane. If this post seems like it was directed at you, it was. Please, consider doing something useful with your time.

crunching the numbers a little, and making the assumption that the average player might play for 2 hours a day (pulled out of thin air) 3 million copies sold would equate to 230 people per zone at any one time … not what I’m seeing, I’m probably seeing 1/5 of that excluding cities.

wildcode.5403:

crunching the numbers a little, and making the assumption that the average player might play for 2 hours a day (pulled out of thin air) 3 million copies sold would equate to 230 people per zone at any one time … not what I’m seeing, I’m probably seeing 1/5 of that excluding cities.

I have no idea how you came up with 230 per zone.

Why would you exclude cities, especially when Lion’s Arch is in overflow for 18 hours a day? Multiple overflows, how do you account for that?

What about Personal Story instances?

Did you also forget to account for the 25 different dungeon paths not counting Fractals?

What about WvW, there’s a constant queue for that on my server, that’s another 2,000 players right there.

Just looking at the 56 players online in my guild right now there are players in:
Lion’s Arch 2
Other cities 2
Fractals 2
Personal Story 1
Dungeons 11
Zones 24
Overflow 2
WvW 12

That would put less than 1 player per zone with 6x as many in LA, cities and overflow, not counting dungeons, fractals, wvw or personal story.

I guess it’s because I play on Tarnished Coast, so I’m always baffled by people saying “I don’t see anyone”.

It’s almost as crowded there as it was on release day.

Karizee.8076:

I have no idea how you came up with 230 per zone.

ok, mucked up my math a bit, but …

3 million copies, 52 servers = 57692 per server
57692 per server, 31 maps (inc cities) = 1861 per map
1861 per map, only on 2 hours at a time = 155 online per map

This does not include WvW or PVP.

155 online per map is an average based on people playing 2 hours per day. Except for LA, I would be lucky to see 50 people on a map and some maps I would probably guess maybe as low as 20 people since I rarely run into other players on some of them.

Why would you exclude cities, especially when Lion’s Arch is in overflow for 18 hours a day? Multiple overflows, how do you account for that?

Only excluded cities in what I see, because they have a lot more people in them (at least LA does) and culling issue makes it difficult to see numbers, and in overflow Euro/US players on same overflow can’t see each other again making it harder to see the true population.

I love that people who don’t play still post, frankly there is a reason why don’t play and they have a right to discuss about it, maybe something will be done.

I still play.
I hate some things, and the way they were executed, but at the end of the day, while looking at any other mmo that’s already out or is about to come out, I just can’t seem to let GW2 go, been waiting for too long for this game to give up on it this fast.

I haven’t clocked a lot of hours into it, just over 500 over the mast 4 months, but that’s simply because I don’t pay for it, so I never feel like I’m wasting money if I don’t play.

I do however hope that with the upcoming updates more people will be online, because I do feel like there is a lot less than there used to be.

wildcode.5403:

crunching the numbers a little, and making the assumption that the average player might play for 2 hours a day (pulled out of thin air) 3 million copies sold would equate to 230 people per zone at any one time … not what I’m seeing, I’m probably seeing 1/5 of that excluding cities.

My calculations say that there are around 120 people in each lvl 80 zones on each server, which i still think is a bit to high, but calculations like this are never precise.
how:
3mil – (percentage that stopped playing) / (servers NA+EU) – (percentage that’s sleeping atm) – (percentage that has to work) – (percentage that has free time, but isn’t playing atm) – (percentage that isn’t playing on an 80char) – (percentage of people doing dungeons+LA&Frac) / 3 zones = amount you have in 1 of the 3 – 80 zones.

3mil * 15% = 450’000 / 51 = 8820 * 60% = 5300 * 75% = 3975* 65% = 2580* 70% = 1800- 20% = 360/ 3zones = 120 (so you see, although my theory is about right, you don’t have the right values to calculate it, i’m close though, but i don’t think there are 100-130 people playing in each 80 zone (karka, cursed, snowarea). but i have to say, your calculations are way off.

whats with active players posts… i want to be alone but cant get away from ppl. i started my 4th character and maps are full!!!

Playing 8-12 hours a day. Just starting to get into spvp/tpvp. Playing with friends will make you forget the time spent in-game xD.

I hardly post on this forum because of all the flamers. I really hope ANet doesn’t take 90% of the threads made on this forums to serious…

Horrorscope.7632:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Player since head start. Playing as much as I can each day, 8h+ like most people I know.

I hope you are well and independently wealthy. I on the other hand know not one person who plays anywhere near close to 8 hours a day. Just balancing it out.

Nope, I get by thats it, money is of no importance to me aslong as I have enough to not go hungry or without internet/PC. Currently unemployed, but even if I would work, 8h of play wouldnt be an issue.

8h = Work
2h = Eating, Keeping clean, stuff around the apartment, getting home from work.
8-10h = Gaming
4-6h = Sleeping

It all fits within a 24h timeframe.

Both, I play as much as I can- may be an 1-2, more on weekends.
I post when I can’t play.

I don’t really agree with players who no longer play hanging around the forums- sure there are some who really just want to make the game better but the most vicious posts often come from non- players.
Since you are no longer playing the game I don’t really think your opinion is relevant to the players/ game.
The people who actually do play should be the ones to give input in how to improve the game.
That you spend money to buy it is not really relevant either- I’ve spend loads on games I no longer play and I sure as kitten don’t hang out on their forums and tell them about it.

SneakyErvin.3056:

Horrorscope.7632:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Player since head start. Playing as much as I can each day, 8h+ like most people I know.

I hope you are well and independently wealthy. I on the other hand know not one person who plays anywhere near close to 8 hours a day. Just balancing it out.

Nope, I get by thats it, money is of no importance to me aslong as I have enough to not go hungry or without internet/PC. Currently unemployed, but even if I would work, 8h of play wouldnt be an issue.

8h = Work
2h = Eating, Keeping clean, stuff around the apartment, getting home from work.
8-10h = Gaming
4-6h = Sleeping

It all fits within a 24h timeframe.

That’s too bad then.

SneakyErvin.3056:

Horrorscope.7632:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Player since head start. Playing as much as I can each day, 8h+ like most people I know.

I hope you are well and independently wealthy. I on the other hand know not one person who plays anywhere near close to 8 hours a day. Just balancing it out.

Nope, I get by thats it, money is of no importance to me aslong as I have enough to not go hungry or without internet/PC. Currently unemployed, but even if I would work, 8h of play wouldnt be an issue.

8h = Work
2h = Eating, Keeping clean, stuff around the apartment, getting home from work.
8-10h = Gaming
4-6h = Sleeping

It all fits within a 24h timeframe.

Where’s the social time? Where’s the family time?

I’m gonna help you out right now: there is no stage in your life where gaming 8-10 hours every day is ok.

When did this become a thread where we discuss the habits of other people or how they spend “their” time?

With all due respect to you all, mind your own business…

Now back to the actual topic,

It’s kind of irritating to see such negativity on this forum go unpunished. I’m not talking about the rationalizations of why people quit or what’s wrong with the game, I’m talking about the actual posts which add NOTHING to this discussion or whatnot save for to create an aggressive environment where it’s x vs y, or black and white with no shades of gray in between.

I just wish more than anything we could just stop feeding the obvious trolls here… because telling players they have no place in a community because they stopped playing the game but not commenting, is out and out insulting, grossly misinformed and toxic to say the least. And I consider it nothing less than trolling.

Flawed logic from some posters aside, it’s THAT kind of attitude that is helping nobody.

I think you need to take into account out of those 3mil:

• Those who have left/taking a break.
• Different timezones
• Different servers
• Different zones
• Those in Fractals, WvW ect.

I’m both.

I still enjoy the game. I’ve still got quite a bit to do PvE wise, and our 11-strong guild often WubvWub, holding and fortifying supply camps with enough organisation that 9 / 10 times we can hold off or defeat an disorganised zerg.

At the same time, the game does have a lot it can improve on. If I see something I think that could potentially improve on, I’ll post a suggestion, or I’ll add my views to an existing suggestion.

TL;DR – I’m a fanboy. Just not a blind one. I’ll defend the game if I feel someone is being unfair, but at the same time, I recognise the game isn’t perfect.

Keiran.1896:

Active players, less than WoW I’d like to say, even if I prefer GW2.

How do I know? A few days ago I checked both WoW and GW2 pages on Facebook…

Last publication by World of Warcraft was 2 hours ago when I went there ; just over 8000 likes.
In that time, GW2 poorly manages to get 200-500 likes. When I came from WoW page, they were adding pictures to the fanart album posted over 1 month ago!! ; only 6000 likes.

So, several possibilities:
- Active players on WoW have 50 times more Facebook accounts than active players on GW2.
- GW2 posts crap so nobody likes it.
- GW2 is so awesome that players are stuck in the game and never go on facebook.
- GW2 has definitly less active players.

Nother possibility is that many of us could give a flying kitten about facebook and hitting the like button, even if we looked at it in the first place.

Karizee.8076:

Zeldain.5710:

I think players who post but don’t play bring a very unique — and important — perspective to discussion about the game.

I think people that post but don’t play bring very little to any discussion. Especially those that say things like, “I haven’t logged in since 2 weeks after launch” or “WoW is so wonderful, you guys should come play”. They have no idea what updates and patches have brought to the ingame experience, they are operating on old info.

For all we know they haven’t even rolled a toon, just bought the account to gamebash or try to promote their favorite game, they may have been banned for exploiting or talking trash for all we know

The game did not die when you stopped playing. Colin stated in the interview yesterday that both sales and concurrency are up, we see iit in game, they lift the server caps every 2 weeks or so and within a week 1/2 the servers are already capped at Full again.

Game’s doing great, people everywhere. Not surprising, it’s a really great game

Bought the account to gamebash? Yeah….. cuz kitten away 60 bucks to kitten about a game they don’t like and don’t play is what people do. Might wanna find out why ppl don’t play anymore rather then say they don’t have a valid opinion once they stop. Having servers full of accounts that don’t login isn’t ‘full’. Can relate. Hitting a wall myself.
More from overplaying over holidays and friends not really loggin on anymore. So not much they can do about my doldrums, but they might about other ppl’s, if they bother to pull their head out of their rectums long enough to free up their ears. Lotta broken stuff in the game on lotta fronts, ppl that quit because of them doesn’t make them no longer a problem cause the person no longer plays.

Hellkaiser.6025:

When did this become a thread where we discuss the habits of other people or how they spend “their” time?

With all due respect to you all, mind your own business…

Now back to the actual topic,

It’s kind of irritating to see such negativity on this forum go unpunished. I’m not talking about the rationalizations of why people quit or what’s wrong with the game, I’m talking about the actual posts which add NOTHING to this discussion or whatnot save for to create an aggressive environment where it’s x vs y, or black and white with no shades of gray in between.

I just wish more than anything we could just stop feeding the obvious trolls here… because telling players they have no place in a community because they stopped playing the game but not commenting, is out and out insulting, grossly misinformed and toxic to say the least. And I consider it nothing less than trolling.

Flawed logic from some posters aside, it’s THAT kind of attitude that is helping nobody.

Why would people who don’t play the game have a place in the community? How is this misinformed, insulting, or toxic? They may be a part of the forum community ( a vastly negative part, check the posts) but they can’t be a part of the game community BECAUSE THEY DON’T PLAY

Zeldain.5710:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Horrorscope.7632:

SneakyErvin.3056:

Player since head start. Playing as much as I can each day, 8h+ like most people I know.

I hope you are well and independently wealthy. I on the other hand know not one person who plays anywhere near close to 8 hours a day. Just balancing it out.

Nope, I get by thats it, money is of no importance to me aslong as I have enough to not go hungry or without internet/PC. Currently unemployed, but even if I would work, 8h of play wouldnt be an issue.

8h = Work
2h = Eating, Keeping clean, stuff around the apartment, getting home from work.
8-10h = Gaming
4-6h = Sleeping

It all fits within a 24h timeframe.

Where’s the social time? Where’s the family time?

I’m gonna help you out right now: there is no stage in your life where gaming 8-10 hours every day is ok.

actually if your other half is really enthusiastic about gaming, you can have family communication time WHILE gaming. I wouldn’t leave myself only 4-6 hours of sleep though. That kind of sleep deprivation would probably lead to illness later.

Current player most days *

*subject to change with out notice