Guild Wars 2

I will purchase the upcoming expansion but I’m not sure on the pre-order. I spent $100.00 on HoT and temporarily enjoy the features it included, such as Gliding. When it came to the grinding, I became somewhat disappointed.

A Pre-Purchase will all depend on what content is included with the expansion at release … not on promised content that will follow that will be part of the expansion.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I keep seeing people saying ArenaNet has lied about this expansion, and haven’t delivered.

I just got back to the game last week, can anyone enlighten me on what promises they have gone back on? Or is everyone just whining for the sake of whining?

I can’t think of any promises backed up on. Maybe legendaries are not out as fast as people hoped and season 3 is slow as well but what they said they did come through on. No promises of easy mode where made for the self proclaimed nor super death for those others.

I definitely won’t rush towards it like I did with HoT and I enjoy HoT. I just quickly found out I rather spend my time doing core game stuff more often after a couple months after HoT.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I keep seeing people saying ArenaNet has lied about this expansion, and haven’t delivered.

I just got back to the game last week, can anyone enlighten me on what promises they have gone back on? Or is everyone just whining for the sake of whining?

I’ve not seen too much complaining that ANet lied about the expansion. Some about a perceived change in direction/focus for the game though.

No I wont.

And I don’t see how even if you like HoT that you would think its a safe bet to preorder when we are still waiting for things advertised as part of Hot ( apart from Raids which to be fair are best served with a staggered release)

I will buy it if I ever do 9 months after release when I 1. know if its the sort of xpac that has content I would like and 2. have seen that promised content is actually in game.

I don’t expect any new classes with the next expansion, however if there is finally a new playable race then – yes in a heartbeat! And if that said race were to be Skritt then – Shut up and take my money already for the highest priced package!

Yep

100% no way. This expansion was released straight-up unfinished. It took months to get two raid wings, no legendary armor to this day, incomplete story ended on a bogus cliffhanger with zero resolution, WvW map released with atrocious bugs (that took months to resolve) and with revamp nowhere in sight, horrendous balance issues went unresolved for the entire PvP Season 1, bandaid fixes created an even worse meta for PvP Season 2, the list goes on and on. Scribing is still a mess that costs more than a legendary to level up to maximum. The legendary crafting masteries were horrendously broken for months.

This is ignoring the pre-launch deception about unlocking elite specs as well. What makes anybody think that the next expansion will roll out any differently? Overpromised and underdelivered… with the “fix it later” mentality at the helm.

Yargesh.4965:

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I keep seeing people saying ArenaNet has lied about this expansion, and haven’t delivered.

I just got back to the game last week, can anyone enlighten me on what promises they have gone back on? Or is everyone just whining for the sake of whining?

I can’t think of any promises backed up on. Maybe legendaries are not out as fast as people hoped and season 3 is slow as well but what they said they did come through on. No promises of easy mode where made for the self proclaimed nor super death for those others.

I think it’s less “They lied!” and more “It didn’t live up to the hype,” for a lot of people. Precursor crafting and scribing are both very expensive, so that discourages some people from getting involved with them. Others might not be in guilds, so the guild features don’t affect them. The HoT maps are very interesting, but require looooong event chains (bad if you disconnect!) and the LFG tool is desperately in need of a rework to accommodate them. Everything is pretty grind-intensive, especially masteries and specializations. They reduced the numbers for both, and there are plans for other improvements, but that’s just another thing that people feel was underpolished or unfinished.

Considering we went a year with minimal content updates between LS2 and HoT, I can see why people were a little let down by HoT. I enjoyed it a lot and don’t regret the purchase, but that’s a lot of pressure, and HoT was a little shaky in a lot of areas. I’m hoping the next expansion learns from some of the pitfalls this one experienced, and it sounds like they’re at least aware of the problems.

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Yes.

Depends on if it beats camelot unchained to the market. If CU drops first, maybe not, otherwise probably.

Sure I will, and very likely the “ultimate” or “deluxe” or “premium” or whatever name the top one will be

if not mistaken, HOT didn’t even boost anet sales by much. might as well make expansion free to keep players.

I pre-purchased gw 2 and hot but right now I am not so sure if I will, hot was quite a letdown and with their wvw practically dead and pvp being ruined with the “lets be like moba” feel along with the sub par storyline.

I would first need to hear more details of what is to be added, and a much bigger map is required as if it is more hot type content then I do not know if I could continue supporting Anet.

The quality has dropped quite a bit from gw 2 to hot

I probably wont buy next expansion at all. This one is already nothing but unfinished mess with lot of features missing and no word on them other than “it will come someday”

WvW Iraq map is a fail and i wish them to delete it and bring back old apline zone.

PvP is so unbalanced, cheese followed by crap matchmaking that its not even fun (saying that as someone who had generally tons of winstreaks by blowouts).

2 (3 for heavy) new armor sets. And guess what? they look TERRRIBLE on charr. Look at the heavy helmet for example on a human and charr. No comprasion at all. Ty a lot.

New class which is rushed and full of bugs (main reason why i bought xpac)

Joke story, not so much contest, “3 biome” 4 small maps and so on.. etc.
Lets also not forget how long we have been waiting for any info regardless expansion just to see a new blog pop up about frogs.. its outrageous.. Other companies have no issues to spoil what xpac contains day one as they announce it.

Hmm i cant see myself buying next xpac anytime soon, let alone pre order.

Might. Might not. And may depend on what they offer for pre-ordering. The game itself will be the same whether I pre-order or not.

I would if they promised to continue GW:B, but that’s not going to happen, so I’ll wait to see how it is first.

Ya! I am going to buy the expansions regardless so I might as well get some pre-order bonuses!

They’ll have to show I bought HoT for the right reasons first… still waiting for 13 legendaries, LS S3 and maybe part of 4, nice PvE events, and stuff other then raids, outfits, and the promise of revamped “improved” WvW…

I really hope we will see something usefull happening before and call is gives WELL HErés the next expansion… Unless the expansion is free for people who payed for Vanilla and HoTIn that case i do not care,

payed 74.99 for vanilla (6.5K hours) and 99.99 for HoT….(also some)

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Sure. If I’m playing at all, I plan start the expansion when it launches and so I’d prefer to have the advantages of early purchase.

HoT definitely has its annoyances, but then so did the core game at launch. Lest we forget:

• Guild chat didn’t work for a week for some of us (and 2-3 days for most of us).
• The TP didn’t work at all for close to two weeks (due to the same volume issues it had during BETA).
• Dungeon rewards were weak unless you grinded them like crazy.
• Champs and World Bosses didn’t offer any substantive loot.
• Lots of mechanics were terrible at launch and have been replaced by the wardrobe, the wallet, etc.

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Hell no .. HoT made me quit the game.

Beldin.5498:

Hell no .. HoT made me quit the game.

So, you quit the game but still read the game forum and write in it?
It seems that you haven’t found anything better.

Shylock.4653:

Beldin.5498:

Hell no .. HoT made me quit the game.

So, you quit the game but still read the game forum and write in it?
It seems that you haven’t found anything better.

I played 100 € for Hot and have nearly played it, so for that price i have at least
the right to play the forum game i think.

And even if i start to loose hope i still am interested that the game goes back
to what it was original instead of becoming just another generic raid MMO.

And else i play Marvel Heroes now since 3 months.

Shylock.4653:

Beldin.5498:

Hell no .. HoT made me quit the game.

So, you quit the game but still read the game forum and write in it?
It seems that you haven’t found anything better.

The forums are funnier than the game, hence why people are here rather than playing the game. XD

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Sure. If I’m playing at all, I plan start the expansion when it launches and so I’d prefer to have the advantages of early purchase.

HoT definitely has its annoyances, but then so did the core game at launch. Lest we forget:

• Guild chat didn’t work for a week for some of us (and 2-3 days for most of us).
• The TP didn’t work at all for close to two weeks (due to the same volume issues it had during BETA).
• Dungeon rewards were weak unless you grinded them like crazy.
• Champs and World Bosses didn’t offer any substantive loot.
• Lots of mechanics were terrible at launch and have been replaced by the wardrobe, the wallet, etc.

Strawman arugement spotted!!!!!

Preorder anything = no no.

They barely lucked out this expac- gift card was going the expire the following day, tank was full of game, fridge full of beer and food, no coming bills. The chances of that occuring are just below the level of pulling a precursor out of mystic forge first try.

Beldin.5498:

goes back to what it was original instead of becoming just another generic raid MMO.

Raids are your biggest problem with HoT?
Raids are a quite small part of HoT. There are so many other things you can do.

Not a chance.

As a rule, I do not pre-purchase games anymore. And after they cheaped out on HoT by charging fifty bucks for a tiny expansion that they wouldn’t even include a measly character slot with unless you pre-purchased, I certainly wasn’t about to break that rule. It was a sleazy manipulation tactic.

Heck, I still haven’t purchased HoT, and I don’t plan on doing so in the near future, either.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Sure. If I’m playing at all, I plan start the expansion when it launches and so I’d prefer to have the advantages of early purchase.

HoT definitely has its annoyances, but then so did the core game at launch. Lest we forget:

echo.2053:

Strawman arugement spotted!!!!!

On the contrary, my point is that launches are always rough. I’m not deciding how to spend my money based on the stuff that didn’t go well; I’m deciding based on what I do like.

I like what I’ve seen to-date, I’m willing to live through HoT’s temporary issues for a few months.

I understand why others disagree and I respect their decisions to not pre-order next time.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I just got back to the game last week, can anyone enlighten me on what promises they have gone back on? Or is everyone just whining for the sake of whining?

A little of each. There have been quarks here and there. They basically ripped off the community who has been here from the start for charging full price for an expansion… But I say whatever money goes into this game is good. They also did pretty poorly on their ad campaign. There were some issues with preording as well but I can’t remember off the top of my head. Pre-HoT the outcry was that GW2 needed more challenging content. They naturally did this (As end game should when new end-game content is released.) and now the social standard is that HoT is too difficult for the casual. I mean, list anything about this game and someone has a problem with it.

I doubt the game sees another expansion after the failure they just had.
My best guess:
1) Crappy gem store updates
2) Some “Content updates” (you know, content promised in the expansion but not actually in it)
3) Then a slow and painful death with promises laced with…. soon™.

Will I buy the expansion? Absolutely not. Trick to me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Raxzor.5946:

After your your experiences with HoT (positive or negative) will you be pre-ordering the next expansion?

Sure. If I’m playing at all, I plan start the expansion when it launches and so I’d prefer to have the advantages of early purchase.

HoT definitely has its annoyances, but then so did the core game at launch. Lest we forget:

echo.2053:

Strawman arugement spotted!!!!!

On the contrary, my point is that launches are always rough. I’m not deciding how to spend my money based on the stuff that didn’t go well; I’m deciding based on what I do like.

I like what I’ve seen to-date, I’m willing to live through HoT’s temporary issues for a few months.

I understand why others disagree and I respect their decisions to not pre-order next time.

Nah my comment was geared toward the the bugs issue, that sort of stuff is going to occur regardless. They are pretty deceant for bug fixes ( except skill bugs…..they are terrible at that- mesmer bugs for years horror :O)

It was geared at the comparison of HoT to core…. You can’t with a straight face compare them due to immense difference in content but yet eerily similar launch prices. I’m prolly taking slightly out of context – but a lot of disconnect occurs when they release an expac and then months down the road say they are adding more giving off the appaearace of an unfinished product. Some players have had receant bad expriences with receant kickstarter games.

Overall agree with whatever people decide to do – it’s their money. I do promote against pre-ordering though, there was a time where it was getting the game early and then getting a bonus – Now it seems enticement by flashy freebie skins while skimping out of game, because once they get your money it doesn’t matter anymore.

depends on the pre-purchase (be specific here, pre-orders can be canceled, pre-purchases are generally for good) package benefits.

I got everything I expected from this expansion. I like the new maps (although I wish adventures were personal unlock and stayed unlocked), and I like meta-events (although I wish they were slightly shorter, I don’t often have 2~3 hours to dedicate to a map unless I have a few days off). I have not tried raid’s yet, the problems there really are not Anet’s design but something I expected with the way players go about things. I do generally like fractal changes, not super fond of instabilities but I am looking forward to potential changes.
I think Masteries worked well, the story seemed somewhat short, I wish LS2 was bundled as part of HOT since that was really the story build up, rather than sold separately. I think if you account for both parts the story was quite long and did give you a chance to feel for the characters (although it was very drawn out between LS release & wait for Xpac).

tldr; I got what I expected, and what I paid for.

Yes , i will buy it, I just beg ANet to listen to the community, which is what we want to see in future expansion, I know how hard it is to keep everyone happy, to me, I just hope that focus more on what made it great to gw1, take back UW, FoW like Raid, May be convert Evil to Kormir like Abaddon Before, the world of GW1 was amazing, May be in Fractal go to fight against Shiro, take back the hall of monument, open again the suggestions in the forum, listen to the community, I am sure that many people return to play this great game

I bought HoT two days before release. Sometimes I regret that deeply, especially when I stand in line for an adventure to open up which I in general despise and groan and moan my way through until I barely make silver success ot when I miss a glide by some measely inches and have to do the gliding stuff again, or when I fly to far and float over the creeping vines at the bottom of the map.

Then on other days, I wander casually through it to do this and that or for recipes.

To answer the question, only if there is no other game that can sweep me off my feet until then or the expansion covers territory that lies in my interst, like tengu, new fractals, open world changes and a story that is not just a shorter rehash of the Zhaitzan story.

Sadly I don´t have much hope for CU, I don´t want to play wvw only. Maybe Star Citizen.

gemini.7156:

Yes , i will buy it, I just beg ANet to listen to the community

The reason they don’t have to listen is because people like you are willing to buy it sight unseen.

Given the recent history and business practices of all the major AAA developers, I would go so far to say noone should ever pre-order ANY game. Buy it when someone reputable has reviewed it first.

Don’t give them your money, and the permission to give you a crappy game.

onevstheworld.2419:

Given the recent history and business practices of all the major AAA developers, I would go so far to say noone should ever pre-order ANY game. Buy it when someone reputable has reviewed it first.

Don’t give them your money, and the permission to give you a crappy game.

I want to quote this a million times in letters ten miles tall

kurfu.5623:

If it is an actual expansion, and not just end-game meta maps, I might consider it.

Otherwise, no.

Exactly, and ditto.

Lord Kuru.3685:

The reason they don’t have to listen is because people like you are willing to buy it sight unseen.

onevstheworld.2419:

Given the recent history and business practices of all the major AAA developers, I would go so far to say noone should ever pre-order ANY game. Buy it when someone reputable has reviewed it first.

Don’t give them your money, and the permission to give you a crappy game.

Both of these posts were quote worthy. True words and I agree on both points.

yes im sure i will if my itch im getting to play something different for a while i still have fun. usually when i get that itch im done but i tend to go back for a while so if it takes too long and i find a game im into huge i might not but if i dont find one i will

No. This time i’ll wait.

Far more than 3 legendarys were advertised with the xpac, aswell as the Fractal back piece- Which months later is still not in game. I was also anticipating living world updates- for a few more years- Like the base game offered. Since then the only thing i’ve heard about them talking about is a new expansion.

It wasn’t until recently they commented- From reddit, more information on what is planned, but it’s months down on the line…from things i was expecting to get with Hot.

So, considering i haven’t been playing much- No. I will wait this time.

Skynet.7201:

kurfu.5623:

If it is an actual expansion, and not just end-game meta maps, I might consider it.

Otherwise, no.

Exactly, and ditto.

Right. Time based metas- I mean dry top was such a success it made total sense!

I waited for the last possible moment to pre purchase HoT. For me personally HoT has not been worth the money. I’ve done the meta events on all the maps some more than once, but ultimately I didn’t enjoy it, I wasn’t that much of a fan of silver wastes. To me HoT was worth the £28 I payed for it. If I had payed more I would have been very angry. But as far as content goes. There has been very little content added unless your a raider.

But currently ANet seem to be catering to the hardcore elite in both PvP and PvE, the poor folks that play WvW have been neglected for far too long, sure they got new maps, but from what I hear they are bad. I’ve had a look at them, and after running around for 15-20 minutes I stopped. I didn’t see anyone from an opposing side, they just seem like PvP in a PvE map.

But I’m getting off track, we all know the problems HoT brought. Lets just hope what ever comes next is not.more of the same.

Given how the video game industry behaves these days – pushing out unfinished, broken, micro-transaction-laden anaemic products at a high price tag (combined with review embargoes) – it makes absolutely no sense to be to hand over money months in advance for something entirely unseen.

The sad thing is though, the industry gets away with it because there will always be a minority of people who will hand over cash in a flash because of some misguided loyalty to a given publisher or developer and then attempt to shut down any dissent from the rest of us who prefer to be better informed about what they’re stumping up the cash for.

In the case of HoT – I still don’t have it, and from reading these forums and elsewhere, I have learned that because I’m a dirty casual who prefers to play games for fun rather than grind away what little free time I have, I learned that this expansion wasn’t for me.

I probably will even though I haven’t spent much time in the HoT maps yet and haven’t even completed the story (mostly due to my super casual playstyle and lack of time).

Since GW2 launched, this is the only game that’s been able to hold my interest, so even though I don’t play as much as I would like to, I’m okay with pre-ordering the next expansion.

While HoT may have its problems, ANet is working on addressing them (maybe not as fast as people hope) and I’m sure they have learned a lot from this expansion.

Of course. I would want to take advantage of any pre-order bonuses.

It will all depend on arenanets behaviour and content of the exp.

Last time anets communication was very cloudy as alot players where not even able to tell which content belonged to the expansion and which content has been for free anyway on patchday.

So i will yet once again wait until i see what gets patched in on patchday. Then i will consider what content will arrive if i buy the expansion and then i judge the price.

If its all marketing yallayalla again i will once again buy the expansion on some china website for some 18 bucks.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

I keep seeing people saying ArenaNet has lied about this expansion, and haven’t delivered.

I just got back to the game last week, can anyone enlighten me on what promises they have gone back on? Or is everyone just whining for the sake of whining?

I don’t think it’s fair to say they lied. It’s just that, through a combination of their marketing and hype, and customer over-optimism, expectation were much higher than delivered. Some of these expectations changed before HoT, some after. For me:

Price:
Expectation – Maybe half the cost of the base game.
Reality – The same as the base game.

New class:
Expectation – Would come with a couple of free character slots.
Reality – Came with one free character slot, after massive backlash.

WvW:
Expectation – New maps would be added.
Reality – New maps replaced current maps, and destroyed WvW. Also massive gold sinks turned up.

Legendary weapons:
Expectation – We’d get a full set of legendary weapons.
Reality – Five months later we have three legendary weapons, and no time frame on more.

Precursor crafting:
Expectation – We’d have a fun and accessible way to get precursors instead of the massive gold sink.
Reality – We have a fun and accessible way to get precursors, broken up in the middle by a massive gold sink.

Guild halls:
Expectation – We’d get a small hall we could decorate and level with our guild.
Reality – We got a massive and pretty amazing hall we could decorate and level with our guild… with an enormous gold sink. Oh and they broke guild missions for a few weeks.

Story:
Expectation – We’d get a medium length story that addressed Living World questions like where Rytlock has been, and handled a sudden anti-Sylvari climate.
Reality – Eh… It sort of did some stuff well, but was really short.

Maps:
Expectation – Intitial, loads of new maps.
Reality – Actually some pretty amazing maps, but only three you can really explore, and all of them bound to timed metas.

Rewards:
Expectation – Loads of new armours and weapons, including the Revenant weapons from beta.
Reality – Keys. So. Many. Keys.

Fractals:
Expectation – Reworked reward system, including a legendary backpiece.
Reality – Initially broken rewards system, no legendary backpiece so far.

Raids:
Expectation – Three new raids.
Reality – So far, two thirds of a raid.

Dungeons:
Expectation – Nothing really. Maybe a couple of new ones?
Reality – Actively made the ones we had worse.

Post-launch:
Expectation – The content drought would end. We’d get living story again, and maybe even things like SAB or Dragon Bash.
Reality – Unless you’re a raider or a PvPer, then it’s occasional festival repeats for about a year.

Now a lot of those expectations were absolutely my own fault, and not ANet lying. But the problem is that ANet are so tight-lipped about what they’re doing that all you can do is guess about what’s coming. Combine that with some areas where they actually did way over-hype the content that was coming, or at least the time frame it was coming in, and it just makes it very hard to justify pre-ordering the next one.

Right now I have a hard time imagining I’ll buy it at all, much less pre-order it.

I look at all the expansions that have been delivered by AAA games and HOT is up there with the best. I would prepay, but not until close to the delivery date – keep Anet on their toes.

no frikin way, what i got is HM with annoyance, not an expansion i can love.
everything they showed is made with hardcore players in mind, the small and casual players get pretty much nothing and just a glider is no reason to buy an expansion.