Guild Wars 2

If precursor crafting doesn’t come this feature patch I will stop playing GW2 for good. It was fun the first 2 years, but I can no longer keep doing dailies and hoping for better looking armor to release every few weeks/months to my disappointment.

dynamic events? why would anyone participate in something so unrewarding? the market dictates that 1 orichalcum ore is 5silver….. and you’re telling me I have to do 3 of those events to make 5silver?

dungeons? sure let me do those paths again for the 32984714312th time

living story? a joke and a half….

I know all these upcoming features are catered towards new players but throw us veteran players a bone. I know this might be a shock to some but I actually want to collect every single legendary there is.

Not everyone is in favour of Precursor Crafting. As it is already in place, at a place called the Mystic Forge.

If and when they add Precursor Crafting at the Weaponsmith, it should be just as hard as the Mystic Forge, or harder.

MaxRage.5072:

Not everyone is in favour of Precursor Crafting. As it is already in place, at a place called the Mystic Forge.

If and when they add Precursor Crafting at the Weaponsmith, it should be just as hard as the Mystic Forge, or harder.

Crafting is taking a set of materials and making something new out of them. It has a definite beginning and end. The Mystic “Forge”, despite the name, is all about taking gold from the economy. It’s gambling, not crafting.

As someone who has made a legendary AND had a precursor drop, I still feel the system needs to be reworked.

The problem is bigger than precursors and legendary weapons though. I think the biggest issue is that the content the player has to grind through to get there isn’t fun or engaging. If people were having fun doing it and felt like they were actually making progress toward it, legendary weapons would be icing on the cake. The journey should be fun as well.

As it is, it’s just not.

Manifest.8415:

If precursor crafting doesn’t come this feature patch I will stop playing GW2 for good.

I am very sorry, but . . . you knew it wasn’t coming this feature patch. Good luck to you.

I don’t expect to see this anytime soon. Yes it something wanted by many and yes I know they have announced that it will be coming to the game but this was back in July 2013 and the details given about how they would be made came across as this was something close to being introduced to the game.

Fact is while precursors are as rare as they are and the price reflects that then players with disposable income will have an incentive to spend there real money for in game gold. Creating revenue for the company.

Manifest.8415:

If precursor crafting doesn’t come this feature patch I will stop playing GW2 for good.

Don’t let your gold and crafting materials go to waste, send them my way.

Make an ascended weapon for the meantime. It only cost like 70 – 120g? idk. Don’t mind when the precursor will drop and it will come. XD

put in mind. no precursor drop, no legendary craft.

play to have fun, not to frustrate yourself.

Seriously, why do people still demand this? Bite the bullet like the rest of us poor schmucks who have never had one drop and just buy the dang thing from the TP. To be perfectly honest it’s quite likely it’ll cost just as much to craft one as it is to buy it anyway, so what’s the point? If you really want to make a legendary now, save your gold, buy the precursor, and quit griping about it.

Berelious.3290:

Seriously, why do people still demand this? Bite the bullet like the rest of us poor schmucks who have never had one drop and just buy the dang thing from the TP. To be perfectly honest it’s quite likely it’ll cost just as much to craft one as it is to buy it anyway, so what’s the point? If you really want to make a legendary now, save your gold, buy the precursor, and quit griping about it.

The major issue is that there is nothing legendary about legendary weapons.

As soon it became clear Anet was going to allow them to be sold on the trading post, they stopped being legendary. There is no prestige. It’s not a mark of skillful play or commitment. You either got extremely lucky with a drop or the mystic forge, or you spent hours grinding or flipping on the TP.

Or worse, you spent real money to buy one.

And on that note, why would Anet make them craftable? It doesn’t make them any more money. Keeping the demand for precursors high and the drop rate low just means more and more people biting the bullet and finally shelling out real cash for them.

“We aren’t quite ready to go into all the details here, but what I can say is you will see a specific way to build precursor items on your way to a legendary. On top of this, you’ll also see new legendary weapons and new types of legendary gear in 2013. Building your precursor will require a large amount of the new crafting material rewards listed above, 500 in crafting, and likely a combination of other items earned for completing more specific content in the game”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

That is why people still go on about this. Over a year later and I’ve not seen any more on the subject but have not been playing or following forums/announcements prior to living story season 2 so may have just missed stuff. But if nothing more has been mentioned about this update I can perfectly understand why people go on about this and are not happy.

Surely an explanation as to why this has been dropped/forgotten about/delayed is owed to the players after failing to deliver this when every other feature in that announcement was implemented into the game long ago.

Shalloe.4867:

“We aren’t quite ready to go into all the details here, but what I can say is you will see a specific way to build precursor items on your way to a legendary. On top of this, you’ll also see new legendary weapons and new types of legendary gear in 2013. Building your precursor will require a large amount of the new crafting material rewards listed above, 500 in crafting, and likely a combination of other items earned for completing more specific content in the game”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

That is why people still go on about this. Over a year later and I’ve not seen any more on the subject but have not been playing or following forums/announcements prior to living story season 2 so may have just missed stuff. But if nothing more has been mentioned about this update I can perfectly understand why people go on about this and are not happy.

Surely an explanation as to why this has been dropped/forgotten about/delayed is owed to the players after failing to deliver this when every other feature in that announcement was implemented into the game long ago.

From Mark Katzbach in March of this year:

“We want to let you know that the ability to build your precursor will not be in our upcoming Feature Pack. The way progression and rewards work in Guild Wars 2 have changed quite a bit since we initially talked about that feature, and our main horizontal progression systems are about to get some additional updates in the upcoming feature pack. Because of that, we are looking into several ways to integrate building your precursor into our new updated reward and progression systems we’re working on, which is requiring additional development time and iteration. As always, we’ll share details on this system once it’s far enough along in production we’re ready to discuss it.”

We should probably take that last bit as an indication that we won’t be finding out ANY info about it until it’s actually released.

AlphaNeonic.1925:

Shalloe.4867:

“We aren’t quite ready to go into all the details here, but what I can say is you will see a specific way to build precursor items on your way to a legendary. On top of this, you’ll also see new legendary weapons and new types of legendary gear in 2013. Building your precursor will require a large amount of the new crafting material rewards listed above, 500 in crafting, and likely a combination of other items earned for completing more specific content in the game”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

That is why people still go on about this. Over a year later and I’ve not seen any more on the subject but have not been playing or following forums/announcements prior to living story season 2 so may have just missed stuff. But if nothing more has been mentioned about this update I can perfectly understand why people go on about this and are not happy.

Surely an explanation as to why this has been dropped/forgotten about/delayed is owed to the players after failing to deliver this when every other feature in that announcement was implemented into the game long ago.

From Mark Katzbach in March of this year:

“We want to let you know that the ability to build your precursor will not be in our upcoming Feature Pack. The way progression and rewards work in Guild Wars 2 have changed quite a bit since we initially talked about that feature, and our main horizontal progression systems are about to get some additional updates in the upcoming feature pack. Because of that, we are looking into several ways to integrate building your precursor into our new updated reward and progression systems we’re working on, which is requiring additional development time and iteration. As always, we’ll share details on this system once it’s far enough along in production we’re ready to discuss it.”

We should probably take that last bit as an indication that we won’t be finding out ANY info about it until it’s actually released.

Thank you Alpha, I knew that was out there somewhere I just haven’t been able to find it.

but if people can get rewarded for fun content, no one need to buy gems with real money.

AlphaNeonic.1925:

And on that note, why would Anet make them craftable? It doesn’t make them any more money. Keeping the demand for precursors high and the drop rate low just means more and more people biting the bullet and finally shelling out real cash for them.

And there it is…

I don’t really think people take into account the absurd amount of money they make every time someone caves and RMT’s a pre or the full legendary.

Assuming a 10-1g gem to gold ratio and a price tag of 600g or 3000g for the weapon, it would take 30,000 gems to buy a full legendary and 6,000 gems to buy a precursor.

That’s a lot of cheddar they have to consider giving up.

Substance E.4852:

AlphaNeonic.1925:

And on that note, why would Anet make them craftable? It doesn’t make them any more money. Keeping the demand for precursors high and the drop rate low just means more and more people biting the bullet and finally shelling out real cash for them.

And there it is…

I don’t really think people take into account the absurd amount of money they make every time someone caves and RMT’s a pre or the full legendary.

Assuming a 10-1g gem to gold ratio and a price tag of 600g or 3000g for the weapon, it would take 30,000 gems to buy a full legendary and 6,000 gems to buy a precursor.

That’s a lot of cheddar they have to consider giving up.

Right but I think they’ll eventually add in precursor crafting. And I think we’ll eventually have an expansion.

They’ll release precursor crafting before the expansion to throw people some bones and hope they come back and play GW2.

laokoko.7403:

Substance E.4852:

AlphaNeonic.1925:

And on that note, why would Anet make them craftable? It doesn’t make them any more money. Keeping the demand for precursors high and the drop rate low just means more and more people biting the bullet and finally shelling out real cash for them.

And there it is…

I don’t really think people take into account the absurd amount of money they make every time someone caves and RMT’s a pre or the full legendary.

Assuming a 10-1g gem to gold ratio and a price tag of 600g or 3000g for the weapon, it would take 30,000 gems to buy a full legendary and 6,000 gems to buy a precursor.

That’s a lot of cheddar they have to consider giving up.

Right but I think they’ll eventually add in precursor crafting. And I think we’ll eventually have an expansion.

They’ll release precursor crafting before the expansion to throw people some bones and hope they come back and play GW2.

I think we’ll not get “precursor crafting” like “here’s a Recipe for Weaponsmith (500) which will net you Dusk”. I am thinking it would wind up being more a quest or a more involved thing.

Sort of like how Mawdrey’s creation is much more involved than “insert items, get backpiece”.

Also . . . I don’t think the hesitation is based on their RMT through Gems so much as watching the Trading Post go absolutely ape-kittykitty if it’s ever announced to be on the way, and the current high-end economy collapsing from hundreds of gold to something else . . . or maybe even the reverse if people expect the crafting will make them harder to get ahold of or more limited!

The potential of such a shakeup is not to be lightly disregarded or tossed aside.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Also . . . I don’t think the hesitation is based on their RMT through Gems so much as watching the Trading Post go absolutely ape-kittykitty if it’s ever announced to be on the way, and the current high-end economy collapsing from hundreds of gold to something else . . . or maybe even the reverse if people expect the crafting will make them harder to get ahold of or more limited!

The potential of such a shakeup is not to be lightly disregarded or tossed aside.

Therein lies the problem of attaching in game currency to real world currency.

If the value of gems is too low, people can easily convert in-game gold to gems and no one buys gems with real money. It it ALWAYS in Anet’s best interest to do whatever possible to keep the value of gems high. The “good” side of this is that if you ever decide to convert gems to gold, you’re getting more gold for your money.

The bad side is basically everything else. Every aspect of loot is now affected by gold, gems and cash being tied together. Precursors and Legendary Weapons available on the Trading Post. Certain mats like Crystal Lodestones being kitten near unfarmable. Make it a grind, but offer a shortcut… all it takes is a little cash.

It’s a shame. The items that should have held some prestige and maybe have been a mark of what someone has accomplished, are just a reminder that anything can be acquired, for a price.

laokoko.7403:

but if people can get rewarded for fun content, no one need to buy gems with real money.

This is the point i’m trying to make. might sound absurd but i want the precursor hunt to be a journey that forces me to venture out and grind different types of content. Idont mind if it takes 2 months to a year, Even if that journey is grindy at least itll be different content as opposed to farming exploits/playing the tp/gambling with the mystic forge/ buying gems with real money. Simply put i just want to enjoy this game again while working towards an achievable goal.

Bite the bullet? Just grind and buy the gold? I have 2 legendaries, both precursors came from having to spend real money. After forging both i was disgusted with this game and the extent in which it had driven me to in acquiring them. I told myself i would never buy gems just to convert to gold again and to only buy gems to show my support for the game if/when they add features/updates that i like. Im only just one customer but i can no longer justify supporting a game in which ive been so patient but disappointed with.

Srry for the bad engrish

AlphaNeonic.1925:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Also . . . I don’t think the hesitation is based on their RMT through Gems so much as watching the Trading Post go absolutely ape-kittykitty if it’s ever announced to be on the way, and the current high-end economy collapsing from hundreds of gold to something else . . . or maybe even the reverse if people expect the crafting will make them harder to get ahold of or more limited!

The potential of such a shakeup is not to be lightly disregarded or tossed aside.

Therein lies the problem of attaching in game currency to real world currency.

If the value of gems is too low, people can easily convert in-game gold to gems and no one buys gems with real money. It it ALWAYS in Anet’s best interest to do whatever possible to keep the value of gems high. The “good” side of this is that if you ever decide to convert gems to gold, you’re getting more gold for your money.

Yes but now you’re attributing to ANet a semi-sinister motive to not doing this. I’m not quite that cynical about this.

The bad side is basically everything else. Every aspect of loot is now affected by gold, gems and cash being tied together. Precursors and Legendary Weapons available on the Trading Post. Certain mats like Crystal Lodestones being kitten near unfarmable. Make it a grind, but offer a shortcut… all it takes is a little cash.

If you’re going to just continue to assume ArenaNet willingly designed the Gem-to-Gold exchange, and is trying to keep it ‘advantageous to them’ through either inaction or action, we’re not going to keep to a rational discussion. I’m real sorry, but I’ll have to back out.

Because I really don’t feel the need to attribute malice or greed to the company, when there are other motives which make much more sense to me.

It’s a shame. The items that should have held some prestige and maybe have been a mark of what someone has accomplished, are just a reminder that anything can be acquired, for a price.

. . . this is always how it is, since the dawn of MMOs and the time when someone realized they could trade items for real actual cash. Not the companies, but player to player transfers. Just because it’s now a legitimate purchase through the company doesn’t mean it didn’t exist before.

It even existed when it was in game currency for the prestige of things in GW1. There’s no prestige in anything you could get in that game short of titles, because you could farm endless amounts of platinum and just buy it . . .

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Because I really don’t feel the need to attribute malice or greed to the company

You don’t have to, NCsoft will do it for you, and them.

I mean, seriously, you don’t want to say they are motivated by Profit (greed) and yet a single set of armor costs 1/5 the cost of the entire game? No armor in this game takes anyone 1/5 the time and money to make as the entire game did.

They cost 800gems because that’s the most they could reasonably charge for them.

I’m not saying they are cartoonishly evil corporate villians or anything, but corporations exist, first and foremost, to make money. We are just lucky that they tend to make the most when we are happy playing their game and buying things in it but they will still try to squeeze as much out of us as they can.

Ask yourself why they didn’t allow gems to be bought and sold on the TP like you can with PLEX in EvE (the system cited as the inspiration for gems). There’s no explanation that makes sense aside from it allows them to control the buy and sell price of gems.

Substance E.4852:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Because I really don’t feel the need to attribute malice or greed to the company

You don’t have to, NCsoft will do it for you, and them.

You don’t understand me. And that’s all right, because what follows shows exactly why I don’t get into these conversations.

I mean, seriously, you don’t want to say they are motivated by Profit (greed) and yet a single set of armor costs 1/5 the cost of the entire game? No armor in this game takes anyone 1/5 the time and money to make as the entire game did.

They cost 800gems because that’s the most they could reasonably charge for them.

I’m not saying they are cartoonishly evil corporate villians or anything, but corporations exist, first and foremost, to make money. We are just lucky that they tend to make the most when we are happy playing their game and buying things in it but they will still try to squeeze as much out of us as they can.

Ask yourself why they didn’t allow gems to be bought and sold on the TP like you can with PLEX in EvE (the system cited as the inspiration for gems). There’s no explanation that makes sense aside from it allows them to control the buy and sell price of gems.

I don’t want to get into it because:

- I don’t work for them, so I can only assume why they make certain decisions. Especially when it comes to pricing. Where you’re asking me to make a statement on what I think, which leads me to look into my experience with artistic commissions and put a price on their time . . . and go “well it’s to pay the artists who worked on it”. But, of course, that’s not a really legitimate answer for a lot of people. They’d rather rely on the next bullet point.

- More people seem to just reach for the “naked greed” card very quickly. I don’t ever deny they need to make money to keep the servers on, or their staff paid. (Not. Once.) But it seems people like to think they’re all about raking in a pile of money to Scrooge McDuck in while laughing at our gullibility. (Not you, you at least attributed it to the need to make money, not the desire to fleece the customers.)

- There’s no way to rationally debate about assumptions neither one of us can really back up with anything other than hearsay, rumor, innuendo, cynicism, or even optimism. We don’t have access to facts about why Tormented/Chaotic Weapons were put out there, or why they set the price points, or where the money goes. (And we will never know some of that, and even if they told us it’s nothing sinister, there is enough cynicism about the company now . . . I don’t think anyone would believe it.)

OP, if all you’re playing for a legendary, once you get it you’ll leave anyway. So why put it in the game? You’re gone either way.

Having a legendary won’t change the game for you at all.

Read the whole thread OP said he has 2 already

didnt they promise precursor crafting over half a year ago? good going anet

jmoak.7821:

didnt they promise precursor crafting over half a year ago? good going anet

Alpha posted a quote regarding that. You really should read it.

jmoak.7821:

didnt they promise precursor crafting over half a year ago? good going anet

No.

I personally hope they never implement precursor crafting. If they do implement a guaranteed way to get a precursor is should cost significantly(time and money) more than current prices.

Manifest.8415:

If precursor crafting doesn’t come this feature patch I will stop playing GW2 for good. It was fun the first 2 years, but I can no longer keep doing dailies and hoping for better looking armor to release every few weeks/months to my disappointment.

dynamic events? why would anyone participate in something so unrewarding? the market dictates that 1 orichalcum ore is 5silver….. and you’re telling me I have to do 3 of those events to make 5silver?

dungeons? sure let me do those paths again for the 32984714312th time

living story? a joke and a half….

I know all these upcoming features are catered towards new players but throw us veteran players a bone. I know this might be a shock to some but I actually want to collect every single legendary there is.

I feel you will be disappointed. I’m sure it was in the communicating with you thread where mike hinted, or at lest that’s how I took it, that they still have t nailed down how to make precursor crafting a thing and not devalue the ones on the TP. I could be wrong. But there is a new post to go up today if I’m right called a fresh start, maybe that will give you what you want, seeing as yesterday’s post was on crafting.

I would like to point out that ANet has in no way broken their promise in regards to precursor crafting/acquisition. They have, however, had to revise their timetable for implementation due to many factors, up to and including economic impact. I’m not even sure I want to know what other issues they have to deal with regarding this. Given what they’ve told us, it’s still in development with an unknown time table. Simple as that.

If you have 2 legendaries and you are already crying a river about how hard getting the 3rd one. Then it is better for you to just quit. Legendaries are supposed to be hard / tedious / requires a lot to grind / very very expensive to get.

I still dont have one after playing for 2 years and you dont see me crying about it. Stop acting like a spoiled kid always looking for an easier way out.

Anyway its a good thing precursor crafting isnt coming this feature patch and youve made your statement. Goodluck on your future endeavors thanks for playing and good bye!

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

- More people seem to just reach for the “naked greed” card very quickly. I don’t ever deny they need to make money to keep the servers on, or their staff paid. (Not. Once.) But it seems people like to think they’re all about raking in a pile of money to Scrooge McDuck in while laughing at our gullibility. (Not you, you at least attributed it to the need to make money, not the desire to fleece the customers.)

I’m sorry to unleash a piece of reality on you, but at the end of the day, profit is literally the only thing companies care about.
All their customer relations, PR, game updates and whatnot serve only 1 purpose — increasing profits.

You do realise corporations (generally speaking) outsource their entire manufacturing to developing countries, set up bank accounts in dodgy places, step on the throat of workers’ rights, destroy the environment with no remorse and pay pocket money to politicians, only so that they can achieve a marginal increase in their profits?

When NCSoft bigwigs have their meetings with fancy powerpoint presentations, do you think they care about anything that goes on in the game? If people are unhappy because they can’t craft precursors?
Literally the only thing they want to see is MORE MONEY. And how they get more money is up to the managers, the managers’ managers, the managers’ managers’ managers and so on, trickling down the corporate food chain.

Evermore.5649:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

- More people seem to just reach for the “naked greed” card very quickly. I don’t ever deny they need to make money to keep the servers on, or their staff paid. (Not. Once.) But it seems people like to think they’re all about raking in a pile of money to Scrooge McDuck in while laughing at our gullibility. (Not you, you at least attributed it to the need to make money, not the desire to fleece the customers.)

I’m sorry to unleash a piece of reality on you, but at the end of the day, profit is literally the only thing companies care about. All their customer relations, PR, game updates and whatnot serve only 1 purpose — increasing profits.

You do realise corporations (generally speaking) outsource their entire manufacturing to developing countries, set up bank accounts in dodgy places, step on the throat of workers’ rights, destroy the environment with no remorse and pay pocket money to politicians, only so that they can achieve a marginal increase in their profits?

When NCSoft bigwigs have their meetings with fancy powerpoint presentations, do you think they care about anything that goes on in the game? If people are unhappy because they can’t craft precursors?
Literally the only thing they want to see is MORE MONEY. And how they get more money is up to the managers, the managers’ managers, the managers’ managers’ managers and so on, trickling down the corporate food chain.

See, now we’re derailing the thread talking about this and trying to discuss something which can’t be discussed rationally. Because it relies entirely on whether or not you distrust the company in question, and how you see employees of the company . . . as chess players working a board dispassionately with us as pieces, or as people.

And when it comes to people . . . I’m afraid I’m an optimist who thinks there is more interest in their efforts than squeezing every dime they can out of their customers.

Apologies.

(And no, I’m not going to reply to anything on this line further, and will skip over posts quoting this or earlier sentiments. Don’t waste your time doing so. PM me if you must about it, but don’t expect me to reply to that, either.)

Well… no precursor crafting, no new dungeons…. absolutely nothing of interest.
anet has clearly shown me just how much they care about their veteran players. i will no longer support this game nor spend another penny on it. I will no longer refer this game to anyone i know because even if they come to love this game i know sooner or later they’ll feel the same disappointment as i did today…. Words cannot express how disappointed i am so i’ll just do what most players that care and feel the same way have done, i’ll just quit. This is my last and final post, to those who are still waiting for actual real “features”, i hope you get them soon but me myself i am done.

Consider this a rage quit QQ post. Delete it if you want……Doesnt matter anymore because this account will never be active again.