Guild Wars 2

Daily reminder that HoT will bring a wide variety of new recipes into the game serving as material sinks. TP meta prices will change at an alarming rate! New balances will come up, all decided by the lords of TP management at Anet office (silk cloth was not a mistake!) Guild halls will require bucketloads of materials too which will serve for the new t5 gathering material sink. Precursors will cost roughly 100-400g to craft. Mark this post I called it all!!!

Kaz.5430:

The addition of a guaranteed route could well reduce the number of people gambling with the mystic forge, which could have an effect of reducing the production of exotics being sold by people throwing rares into the forge, thus reducing supply and increasing price of exotics in general.

Their is already a guaranteed route. Well, several really – grind gold, but pre. Use credit card for gems, convert, buy pre. It’s all dependent on how easy, or not, the new method is. If it’s still easier to buy with gold, I don’t know that the prices will change much. Probably a little, but not hugely if the crafting route is too much hassle.

rhapsody.3615:

It’s going to depend on what’s involved in crafting a precursor. If we need lots of expensive and/or time gated materials and tasks, they’ll probably remain high and in demand.

Also Anet can change prices somewhat by increasing supply.

Don’t forget random drops …

Didn’t really read any of this thread full of speculations… just had a notion that all these theories won’t mean anything if the precursors from the Mastery line are account bound and can’t be sold at all. Has anyone given a thought to that?

Here’s my speculation.

Precursors are easier to get via the new method, but they’re account bound. However, less people will need to buy precursors, so demand will drop but supply will stay even. The price will drop slightly.

However, if there are less people making them because they can get them from crafting or whatever, then supply will drop and the price will rise.

Sooo, the price will stay the same overall. Unless precursor crafting is only available to purchasers of HoT in which case it will affect the precursor economy because those people are mostly higher end players with the resources for that ( even though HoT is coming with the core game later on, the new players won’t be able to craft it until later ). But you can only craft ONE precursor and I’m pretty sure those who have 2 or 3 Legendaries of the same weapon ( and then sell it on the tp to make gold ) forge their precursors ( those are the guys who have lots of buy orders). So in total, small price drop, nothing to be afraid of.

I hope my message is coherant, I’m sick at the moment, feel free to ask me to clarify anything.

Hint Lodestones and t6 will go up in price Hint *Hint**Wink*

Well, it’s going to take 12,700,000 exp to complete the Mastery Lines for crafting precursor weapons before one can be crafted.

Revered Antiquarian: 1,270,000 1 Mastery points Grants Access to the First Tier of Precursor Collections.
Magister of Legends: 2,540,000 4 Mastery points Contributes to the Second Tier of Precursor Collections.
Historian of the Armaments: 3,810,000 5 Mastery points Contributes to the Third Tier of Precursor Collections.
Scholar of Maguuma’s Secrets: 5,080,000 10 Mastery points Grants Access to Heart of Maguuma Precursor Collections.
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Presumably all Tyrian exp will go towards it. Did anyone equip this mastery line in the last beta and see the requirements or whether or not dungeon exp counts?

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Well, it’s going to take 12,700,000 exp to complete the Mastery Lines for crafting precursor weapons before one can be crafted.

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Revered Antiquarian: 1,270,000 1 Mastery points Grants Access to the First Tier of Precursor Collections.
Magister of Legends: 2,540,000 4 Mastery points Contributes to the Second Tier of Precursor Collections.
Historian of the Armaments: 3,810,000 5 Mastery points Contributes to the Third Tier of Precursor Collections.
Scholar of Maguuma’s Secrets: 5,080,000 10 Mastery points Grants Access to Heart of Maguuma Precursor Collections.
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Presumably all Tyrian exp will go towards it. Did anyone equip this mastery line in the last beta and see the requirements or whether or not dungeon exp counts?

You don’t get exp in dungeons anymore at level 80.

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Won’t work. All precursor from collections are accountbound. All legendary’s crafted with accountbound precursor will be accountbound!

If you want a giftable legy then you still need rng luck or tradepost!

I predict a price crash. I personally will not spend 1K + gold on a precursor if I can get it another way. The only reason I dish that money now is because I cannot get them any other way. I bet it will be quicker to do the hunt and craft then it would be to farm the gold required.

You will be able to buy mats for multiple legendaries at the price of a single precursor. If you are guaranteed a precursor via scavenger hunt, why would there be anyone bidding at these high prices?

Bomber.3872:

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Won’t work. All precursor from collections are accountbound. All legendary’s crafted with accountbound precursor will be accountbound!

If you want a giftable legy then you still need rng luck or tradepost!

Can you please link me source for this statement by ArenaNet? I won’t believe it until I see it.

Mortifer.2946:

Bomber.3872:

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Won’t work. All precursor from collections are accountbound. All legendary’s crafted with accountbound precursor will be accountbound!

If you want a giftable legy then you still need rng luck or tradepost!

Can you please link me source for this statement by ArenaNet? I won’t believe it until I see it.

A Legendary Journey
“We also want to better preserve the prestige associated with crafting a legendary weapon, so the new legendary weapons, and their precursors, will not be tradable.”

That only refers to the new ones that come from HoT which they haven’t revealed yet.

It will most likely drop in price, but probably not crash. As others have stated the supply will probably decrease along side the demand. However this is also dependent on how bad the collection process is.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Mortifer.2946:

Bomber.3872:

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Won’t work. All precursor from collections are accountbound. All legendary’s crafted with accountbound precursor will be accountbound!

If you want a giftable legy then you still need rng luck or tradepost!

Can you please link me source for this statement by ArenaNet? I won’t believe it until I see it.

A Legendary Journey
“We also want to better preserve the prestige associated with crafting a legendary weapon, so the new legendary weapons, and their precursors, will not be tradable.”

Heh, nope… that refers to the new set of 6 legendaries. I was asking about the old set.

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

According to the original blog post all existing precursors crafted using the new system will NOT be account bound. Only the new precursors will be account bound. Based on what we know so far, you will indeed be able to give your GF Bifrost.

Mortifer.2946:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Mortifer.2946:

Bomber.3872:

Mortifer.2946:

I have a question: will legendary crafted from account-bound precursor from mastery be account-bound upon acquire or possible to trade? I am planing to craft Bifrost and gift it to my girlfriend, but now I am not sure if is possible or not.

Won’t work. All precursor from collections are accountbound. All legendary’s crafted with accountbound precursor will be accountbound!

If you want a giftable legy then you still need rng luck or tradepost!

Can you please link me source for this statement by ArenaNet? I won’t believe it until I see it.

A Legendary Journey
“We also want to better preserve the prestige associated with crafting a legendary weapon, so the new legendary weapons, and their precursors, will not be tradable.”

Heh, nope… that refers to the new set of 6 legendaries. I was asking about the old set.

Yeah. Sorry. I was trying to say that only the new ones were account bound.

A further quote: “This final collection unlocks the recipe to craft the polished final iteration of the precursor. For all of our existing precursors, this is a tradable exotic weapon,….”

IF its possible to skip the annoying scavenger hunt and collect AP for account binding a precursor, then expect precursor prices to skyrocket.

Also, all the new players who just joined on their free to play accounts will want legendary weapons (but they actually can’t buy precursors from the TP, so that has a definite effect on demand that I can’t quite predict).

In a vacuum (ala assuming no other changes, but there will be other changes that may overwhelm this effect) the addition of precursor crafting pushes their prices down. This is fairly straightforward – if precursor crafting uses alternative materials to straight forging, then supply has necessarily gone up and prices get pushed down. If it uses the same, but fewer, materials then prices also go down. If it uses the same number and kind of materials as expected value forging does today, then real buy/sell prices on the TP drop with the reduction of the risk premium. If it uses more materials (but only slightly) than current EV forging, then you’d expect prices to stay about the same, as less precursors are produced but with a lower risk premium that the market as a whole sees as neutral.

Whether the crafted precursors are account bound or not is irrelevant to the direction of these effects, only the magnitude. Account bound precursors create an alternative supply stream, and if at least some players acquire precursors through that stream the demand for that precursor from legacy streams is lower – leading to a lower price. All the same logic applies – the only difference is that TP prices for legacy streams of precursors stay higher due to the siloing, while the crafting price of an account bound precursor stays lower due to the trade restriction.

Again, these effects are clearly what happens if nothing else changes – the only question would be the magnitude of the drops, which I have very little ability to estimate as public data on elasticity is sparse at best. In reality this is going to accompany a ton of other economic changes that could overwhelm the direct effect.