Guild Wars 2

With the recent 8/8 patch there have been several issues that have come about, some are bugs, others are a direct result of a few changes, and some still are just poor implementations of new features. I’m making this thread as a place for all these issues to be compiled in hopes that they will get greater exposure and fixed.

Elementalist

Engineer

• bug Mortar Kit’s Elixer Shells is no longer affected by HGH – Note: please fix to have the intended +20% duration as opposed to the prior bug of +200%

Guardian

Mesmer

• The removal of Harmonious Mantras did nothing but hurt Mantra usage. Despite the perception of Harmonious Mantras and Restorative Mantras having conflicting purposes, they actually functioned cohesively to make Mantras a more functional skill type. Please consider adding Harmonious Mantras functionality to Restorative Mantras or make it baseline
• bug? Full charge effects from mantras are not triggering from recharged mantras.
• Mantra recharge times are far too long to be functional. These excessive recharge times serve only to remove the need to burn your last mantra charge after combat ends. Please consider reducing these recharge times to be closer to the skills actual cooldowns as opposed to 2x their cooldown.
• The change to Mantra of Recovery reads as a buff when under 50% health, but in actuality it is a nerf when above 50% health. This change coupled with the removal of Harmonious Mantras has effectively removed Mantra of Recovery from being a functional heal in most scenarios. Adding a 3rd charge might be enough to fix issues here, if not then reversing the nerf above 50% health is a necessity
• The initial cast time on Mantras was reduced by 0.5s to make them easier to cast in combat, however this change honestly accomplishes nothing. Reducing cast times from 2.75s to 2.25s is not a noticeable change to any degree. Mantra cast times need to be under 2s to actually be easier to cast in combat. please consider reducing them to 1.75s.

Necromancer

Ranger

Revenant

Thief

Warrior

*NOTE: If you don’t see your professions specific issues with the recent patch, please post them and they will be added to the list. Initially I have only posted the issues that I am personally familiar with, I havn’t played every class extensively enough to be familiar with all the changes and how they impacted them.

The effect from from fully charged mantras happening continiously every time they fully recharge could be broken.

Panda.1967:

Mesmer

• The removal of Harmonious Mantras did nothing but hurt Mantra usage. Despite the perception of Harmonious Mantras and Restorative Mantras having conflicting purposes, they actually functioned cohesively to make Mantras a more functional skill type. Please consider adding Harmonious Mantras functionality to Restorative Mantras or make it baseline
• bug? Full charge effects from mantras are not triggering from recharged mantras.
• Mantra recharge times are far too long to be functional. These excessive recharge times serve only to remove the need to burn your last mantra charge after combat ends. _Please consider reducing these recharge times to be closer to the skills actual cooldowns as opposed to 2x their cooldown.

Fully agree, the recharge time makes the ammunition mechanic almost non-existent for the skill.

Plus, with the patch also accompanying some nerfs to the the heal mantra (when above 50%) and Mender’s Purity, the patch feels like a nerf to mantras.

I would say that the number of charges should go up (3) for the mantras, with a reduction to the ammunition recovery cooldown so that you can actually get some milage out of it instead of just getting the milage when you fully disengage.

As ANET wants to make it different from Firebrand’s scaling mantras (with the last one a powerful version) by having it be a “in-combat casting” type of mantra, a reduction to the cast time is very important.

With mantras still having a 2s1/4 cast time per mantra it is almost impossible to prepare more than one during combat (running 2 mantras means you would be a full 4s1/2 literally doing nothing in a fight other than preparing your mantras for a very negligible benefit).

These two changes would really help to bring mantras to a nice spot.

zealex.9410:

The effect from from fully charged mantras happening continiously every time they fully recharge could be broken.

That would be why it says “bug?” instead of just “bug”… it would be nice to atleast get some official confirmation as to if the current behavior of not retriggering the effect upon successfully recharging your mantras is intended or a bug.

Azel.4786:

Panda.1967:

Mesmer

• The removal of Harmonious Mantras did nothing but hurt Mantra usage. Despite the perception of Harmonious Mantras and Restorative Mantras having conflicting purposes, they actually functioned cohesively to make Mantras a more functional skill type. Please consider adding Harmonious Mantras functionality to Restorative Mantras or make it baseline
• bug? Full charge effects from mantras are not triggering from recharged mantras.
• Mantra recharge times are far too long to be functional. These excessive recharge times serve only to remove the need to burn your last mantra charge after combat ends. _Please consider reducing these recharge times to be closer to the skills actual cooldowns as opposed to 2x their cooldown.

Fully agree, the recharge time makes the ammunition mechanic almost non-existent for the skill.

Plus, with the patch also accompanying some nerfs to the the heal mantra (when above 50%) and Mender’s Purity, the patch feels like a nerf to mantras.

I would say that the number of charges should go up (3) for the mantras, with a reduction to the ammunition recovery cooldown so that you can actually get some milage out of it instead of just getting the milage when you fully disengage.

As ANET wants to make it different from Firebrand’s scaling mantras (with the last one a powerful version) by having it be a “in-combat casting” type of mantra, a reduction to the cast time is very important.

With mantras still having a 2s1/4 cast time per mantra it is almost impossible to prepare more than one during combat (running 2 mantras means you would be a full 4s1/2 literally doing nothing in a fight other than preparing your mantras for a very negligible benefit).

These two changes would really help to bring mantras to a nice spot.

Very true indeed… I can’t believe I forgot about Mantra of Recovery on the list… and the cast times certainly need to be lower than 2.25s if they are intended to be combat cast….

Edit: updated list to include Mantra of Recovery and Initial cast times.

Azel.4786:

Panda.1967:

Mesmer

• The removal of Harmonious Mantras did nothing but hurt Mantra usage. Despite the perception of Harmonious Mantras and Restorative Mantras having conflicting purposes, they actually functioned cohesively to make Mantras a more functional skill type. Please consider adding Harmonious Mantras functionality to Restorative Mantras or make it baseline
• bug? Full charge effects from mantras are not triggering from recharged mantras.
• Mantra recharge times are far too long to be functional. These excessive recharge times serve only to remove the need to burn your last mantra charge after combat ends. _Please consider reducing these recharge times to be closer to the skills actual cooldowns as opposed to 2x their cooldown.

Fully agree, the recharge time makes the ammunition mechanic almost non-existent for the skill.

Plus, with the patch also accompanying some nerfs to the the heal mantra (when above 50%) and Mender’s Purity, the patch feels like a nerf to mantras.

I would say that the number of charges should go up (3) for the mantras, with a reduction to the ammunition recovery cooldown so that you can actually get some milage out of it instead of just getting the milage when you fully disengage.

As ANET wants to make it different from Firebrand’s scaling mantras (with the last one a powerful version) by having it be a “in-combat casting” type of mantra, a reduction to the cast time is very important.

With mantras still having a 2s1/4 cast time per mantra it is almost impossible to prepare more than one during combat (running 2 mantras means you would be a full 4s1/2 literally doing nothing in a fight other than preparing your mantras for a very negligible benefit).

These two changes would really help to bring mantras to a nice spot.

We havent seen the firebrands channel times to say if the mesmer’s are long or not yet.

Also if i may ask why is channeling mantras now such a big problem if before the update the channel time was .5 longer?

zealex.9410:

Azel.4786:

Panda.1967:

Mesmer

• The removal of Harmonious Mantras did nothing but hurt Mantra usage. Despite the perception of Harmonious Mantras and Restorative Mantras having conflicting purposes, they actually functioned cohesively to make Mantras a more functional skill type. Please consider adding Harmonious Mantras functionality to Restorative Mantras or make it baseline
• bug? Full charge effects from mantras are not triggering from recharged mantras.
• Mantra recharge times are far too long to be functional. These excessive recharge times serve only to remove the need to burn your last mantra charge after combat ends. _Please consider reducing these recharge times to be closer to the skills actual cooldowns as opposed to 2x their cooldown.

Fully agree, the recharge time makes the ammunition mechanic almost non-existent for the skill.

Plus, with the patch also accompanying some nerfs to the the heal mantra (when above 50%) and Mender’s Purity, the patch feels like a nerf to mantras.

I would say that the number of charges should go up (3) for the mantras, with a reduction to the ammunition recovery cooldown so that you can actually get some milage out of it instead of just getting the milage when you fully disengage.

As ANET wants to make it different from Firebrand’s scaling mantras (with the last one a powerful version) by having it be a “in-combat casting” type of mantra, a reduction to the cast time is very important.

With mantras still having a 2s1/4 cast time per mantra it is almost impossible to prepare more than one during combat (running 2 mantras means you would be a full 4s1/2 literally doing nothing in a fight other than preparing your mantras for a very negligible benefit).

These two changes would really help to bring mantras to a nice spot.

We havent seen the firebrands channel times to say if the mesmer’s are long or not yet.

Also if i may ask why is channeling mantras now such a big problem if before the update the channel time was .5 longer?

The channel time on mantras was always a big deal. The nearly 3s channel time was the top reason why Mantras rarely ever saw use in meta builds. When they were used, you were encouraged to not use your mantras unless you knew you’d have time to recast it again out of combat, since the 3s you spent channeling left you very vulnerable and an easy target, even more so if you used multiple mantras.