Guild Wars 2

For myself and many other players, we play Guild Wars 2 mainly for WvW. Now since the past update, we will have to grind for gears in dungeons just to keep up for maximum potential in WvW. I started playing this game just to do the opposite of grinding and spending hours on end getting the potentially best gear in the game. For many, it doesn’t matter since they play the game for its ultimate PvE.. I loved this game until this past update which changes the way i look at Guild Wars 2. If this new tier of gear does happen to appear, here better be a way to obtain ascended gears through crafting, trading post or PvP rewards or its safe to say that I’m out and taking many people with me. Its not too late to think about it, and consider many players thoughts about it, keeping exotic gear as the best potential gear possible to obtain, and negating the happening of unbalanced classes/builds that would just create more problems then what already exist.

Sadly, ArenaNet doesn’t seem to consider WvW PvP. When they adjust skills and tag the adjustment as ‘only in PvP’ they mean only in sPvP.

More people play WvW than PvP…

Way more.

I think wvw is the furthest thing from thier minds at this point. The first big content update was very telling in where thier priorities lie. PvE is king, and always will be.

Dware.4259:

More people play WvW than PvP…

Way more.

This is the interesting thing. sPvP is in a bad place and with many more people playing wvw how long, if ever, will it take for that to be the focus of balancing.

I really think the new gear treadmill is the direct result of tpvp doing so poorly, gotta make that cash somehow…

Dware.4259:

More people play WvW than PvP…

Way more.

And I get the feeling they aren’t happy about that. First, because they want to make money on paid tournaments, second because WvW is far more of a headache, what with the server jumpers, the orb hackers, the botters, and the population imbalances.

Its ironic because, It was the WvW portion of the game that was promised to make a difference in MMORPG, more then just side VS side and guild VS guild…… World VS World. What a joke this game is turning into.

Ahhh…. but when it gets too hard to control and maintain, lets just throw in some PvE content to make the players happy.

Its rings and a back slot. ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Hell its easy enough to kill people in masterwork gear at 80. Your level build and skill mean more than your gear. Especially the small boost from 3 pieces. They have stated they will open up other ways to get it when they introduce more gear. I wouldn’t worry. Yet.

If this is only for WvW I mean… WvW is not balanced anyway. Its not meant to be. You want a level playing field play SPvP

Yeah and I’m talking about future updates for Guild Wars 2. Its going to go downhill if they give us new dungeons to gear grind for countless hours, sPvP is only a small part of the game, WvW is the bigger picture by far, it should be focused on more then any other part, there are alot better games to go PvE on. LOL

Xilo.9567:

Its rings and a back slot. ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Hell its easy enough to kill people in masterwork gear at 80. Your level build and skill mean more than your gear. Especially the small boost from 3 pieces. They have stated they will open up other ways to get it when they introduce more gear. I wouldn’t worry. Yet.

If this is only for WvW I mean… WvW is not balanced anyway. Its not meant to be. You want a level playing field play SPvP

It’s kinda funny you say this, because when I upgraded my trinkets up to exotics (I upgrade 2 rings & 2 earrings) I felt like I was doing more damage to people in WvW. Must have all been in my mind.

Those extra stats in the Infusion slot probably won’t mean anything either you think?

Xilo.9567:

Its rings and a back slot. ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Hell its easy enough to kill people in masterwork gear at 80. Your level build and skill mean more than your gear. Especially the small boost from 3 pieces. They have stated they will open up other ways to get it when they introduce more gear. I wouldn’t worry. Yet.

If this is only for WvW I mean… WvW is not balanced anyway. Its not meant to be. You want a level playing field play SPvP

I think you missed the part where they said there will be full sets of Ascended gear, including armor, added to the game in the coming months.

Xilo.9567:

Its rings and a back slot. ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Hell its easy enough to kill people in masterwork gear at 80. Your level build and skill mean more than your gear. Especially the small boost from 3 pieces. They have stated they will open up other ways to get it when they introduce more gear. I wouldn’t worry. Yet.

If this is only for WvW I mean… WvW is not balanced anyway. Its not meant to be. You want a level playing field play SPvP

completely agree. It’s only been one day and people like the OP are crying about some new content which can eventually lead to a new back item or ring. Guess what, wouldn’t matter if you were in full ascended if a typical 30 + wpvp zerg ran you over.

Give it more then a day before the tears start.

In PvP and I’m talking about WvW. Stats are probably the most important thing, sure player skill helps alot, but in most MMO games including Guild Wars 2, stats are the #1 priority, and making players obtain new better gear then already existing exotic gear through PvE activities is going to cut the rope for most. Its the truth, not everyone came to play this game for its PvE content. It was the WvW that brought most players to this game, not sPvP.

My biggest problem with all this is that so many things are not working properly in this game, and yet we get these kitten injections of new content just to keep the mindless gear grinders from getting bored. I started playing this game because I thought I could have a couple of well geared characters for a while without chasing endless tiers of gear, and now I see this is not the case. I just got my main geared out with full exotics, and now here comes new crap to chase after.

This really describes the entire mindset behind MMO development in general. For my part, I would be much more satisfied with a game that had graphics from a few years ago, but put me into a well rendered, smoothly playing battlfield of several hundred players, where commanders actually had ways to command, to use strategy and tactics. Instead the focus seems to always be on better graphics and new content for people to grind, the perverbial shiny carrot on the ever lengthening stick.

Kind of sad, really.

What ever happened to Guild Wars 2 being a casual game that you don’t need to spend hours and hours on just to keep up, specially for us that have full time jobs. Anet can still learn from the players. I hope it doesn’t turn into a time based game like so many other typical MMORPGs.

Gear grind happend 2 months after release.
A bombshell dropped created a schockwave trough the WvW community.

Every forum i read this has become the #1 topic.
This may backfire to Arenanets reputation about what they told us months and years back.

Realy dont understand how they changed their minds so quickly.
But its to late to discuss this stuff already.

Many posts in the WvW section with great sugestions are read, but not with Anet interaction or a response to improve aspects of WvW.
1 reply from a dev with, in the upcomming months we have some good WvW changes…….uuuuuh ok.

I be back in a few months then, or maybe not.

OrchusGhole.9846:

Xilo.9567:

Its rings and a back slot. ITS NOT GAME BREAKING. Hell its easy enough to kill people in masterwork gear at 80. Your level build and skill mean more than your gear. Especially the small boost from 3 pieces. They have stated they will open up other ways to get it when they introduce more gear. I wouldn’t worry. Yet.

If this is only for WvW I mean… WvW is not balanced anyway. Its not meant to be. You want a level playing field play SPvP

I think you missed the part where they said there will be full sets of Ascended gear, including armor, added to the game in the coming months.

And then come expansion time… the imbalance will grow… I’m sure Xilo would enjoy fighting people in masterwork when they are in full ascended and show how his skill prevails. Of course you can win against some random people in masterwork… they might be level 20 in fine…

It was announced that the higher tier gear will be available in more than just the pve dungeon, to include WvW

Their response to night capping was WvW is war and war isn’t fair. Therefore, their response to this will be the same.

Dware.4259:

More people play WvW than PvP…

Way more.

Yeh but its because most the people that came here for PVP have no choice because sPVP is trash right now

They should really focus everything on WvW, its what makes the game unique compared to other games. not pve content.. ahh they will never learn from their players, only follow in the paths of other devs.

This game is just turning into another grind fest just like all the other mmos out today. If you want a really good game that is balanced and tons of fun try out swtor its fp2 as well and has alot better pvp system that is fun for all ages.

I play for WvW… at this point I don’t feel like ANet even gives a flying crap about WvW…been logging in a lot less and so are my friends..ah well

Dware.4259:

More people play WvW than PvP…

Way more.

That’s because sPvP is still largely unfinished. No spectator mode = no esport = most people are holding off.

Taerik.3405:

It was announced that the higher tier gear will be available in more than just the pve dungeon, to include WvW

Yes. But how much grind will be needed to acquire them ?

Will the WvW options cover every stat combination, or will players be forced to PvE just because the gear that is best for their build is PvE only ?

simple solution: treat WvW’s gear and traits in the same way as sPvP’s. give a seperate set of gear and traits but keep gaining exp instead of rank points. why they never did this from the start is beyond me, especially considering how much importance they seem to put on the concept of balance.

Arlandino.7513:

I play for WvW… at this point I don’t feel like ANet even gives a flying crap about WvW…been logging in a lot less and so are my friends..ah well

I asked an anet rep who was in the borderlands when we could get the ascendant stuff through wvwvw. no answer. didn’t even acknowledge me but the thanked others who said the game has gone to crap. lol

catnipkiller.5429:

This game is just turning into another grind fest just like all the other mmos out today. If you want a really good game that is balanced and tons of fun try out swtor its fp2 as well and has alot better pvp system that is fun for all ages.

SWTOR is better than GW2? SWTOR???

kierg.1862:

catnipkiller.5429:

This game is just turning into another grind fest just like all the other mmos out today. If you want a really good game that is balanced and tons of fun try out swtor its fp2 as well and has alot better pvp system that is fun for all ages.

SWTOR is better than GW2? SWTOR???

I disagree with SWTOR having better PVP, but it certainly has better “progression” PVE. Which is why the patch is such a slap in the face, they are focusing and wasting effort on an aspect of the game that basically every other MMO out there does BETTER.

Where is it stated the WVW is gear based? Since when was it gear based? Who’s going to force you to get ascended items?

That’s right, no one.

Phy.2913:

Where is it stated the WVW is gear based? Since when was it gear based? Who’s going to force you to get ascended items?

That’s right, no one.

lol. who said pve was gear based? show me? if you don’t think gear makes a difference in wvwvw, you probably never go to wvwvw.

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

Stop claiming that a game which involves both pve and pvp content, is one or the other “exclusively”

There was a TON of pvp changes done about class balance which is their priority for pvp I’d say and will be for a long time, and a new map as well as the new dungeons and gear

Both got a nice update I guess and this game as always remains pvx, please stop being so narrow minded and silly as claiming this when there’s been no unilateral OFFICIAL
statement to back up the claim that is usually based on flawed logic that this is a PVP or PVE exclusive game…

It’s a load of monkeys…

Also, phy stated the corrrect response to the gear whinge, one player with +30 doesn’t make a difference… in fact it’s night impossible to make a difference in wpvp aside from organisation and numbers

Phy.2913:

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

Lets not pretend like top-end PVP guilds won’t farm fractals and get everyone max gear because THAT’S WHAT THEY DO

Blacksarevok.8104:

Phy.2913:

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

Lets not pretend like top-end PVP guilds won’t farm fractals and get everyone max gear because THAT’S WHAT THEY DO

Grats to them, they’ll get to fight the other top end pvp guilds eventually. This wont affect my rank 14 server in the slightest though.

Phy.2913:

Blacksarevok.8104:

Phy.2913:

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

Lets not pretend like top-end PVP guilds won’t farm fractals and get everyone max gear because THAT’S WHAT THEY DO

Grats to them, they’ll get to fight the other top end pvp guilds eventually. This wont affect my rank 14 server in the slightest though.

Won’t affect you, therefore it won’t affect anyone else? Nice logic

The people it will affect are the people who will also be doing it. Maybe the top 5 servers will care, but even then the impact will be small.

Phy.2913:

The people it will affect are the people who will also be doing it. Maybe the top 5 servers will care, but even then the impact will be small.

There are plenty of people on top servers that aren’t part of the main PVP guild(s).

But regardless, this still doesn’t change the fact that if you want to have the advantage, you have to grind fractals. We can harp on how small it is until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is people with ascended gear WILL have an advantage over people without it.

Then you should hope they bring in those pvp Asc gear they promised soon, before people start making wild accusations that the sky is falling.

Phy.2913:

Then you should hope they bring in those pvp Asc gear they promised soon, before people start making wild accusations that the sky is falling.

We’ll see. If they do it within a reasonable amount of time, then I will retract my statements. But they lied about not adding a gear ladder, so I really don’t have any reason to believe they will add ascended to other facets of the game at all, let alone within a acceptable window of time.

The said themselves they would add Asc gear to pvp. I don’t see this as much of a ladder yet though, barely a step stool.

Phy.2913:

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

of course it wont matter when the haves have all the best gear and the have nots don’t. are you part of the 1%?

Phy.2913:

The said themselves they would add Asc gear to pvp. I don’t see this as much of a ladder yet though, barely a step stool.

why didn’t they do it at launch? that would have prevented a lot of the anger. fact is that wvwvw is ignored and marginalized.

Blacksarevok.8104:

Phy.2913:

Then you should hope they bring in those pvp Asc gear they promised soon, before people start making wild accusations that the sky is falling.

We’ll see. If they do it within a reasonable amount of time, then I will retract my statements. But they lied about not adding a gear ladder, so I really don’t have any reason to believe they will add ascended to other facets of the game at all, let alone within a acceptable window of time.

How long it takes ANET to add the Ascended gear isn’t important. What’s important is how long it takes players to acquire it after it goes live.

Columba.9730:

Phy.2913:

Where is it stated the WVW is gear based? Since when was it gear based? Who’s going to force you to get ascended items?

That’s right, no one.

lol. who said pve was gear based? show me? if you don’t think gear makes a difference in wvwvw, you probably never go to wvwvw.

Gear doesn’t make a difference on remotely the scale that builds and strategy do. Using a portal to drop twenty people on the enemy’s siege emplacement all at once doesn’t rely on gear (And is very hard to get a zerg to defend against, too – they’ll all be up at the walls fighting or something). Well placed projectile counters of all forms don’t rely on stats.

I can WvW fine with a level 45 thief in masterwork – there’s tons of things that stats don’t matter for. (Throwing out AoE weakness, for instance, will tip a battle heavily without giving a kitten if you’re damaging people)

The amount gear matters is inversely proportional to the number of people fighting.

depends how you play wvwvw. gear matters. if it doesn’t how about we make it all equal? would yo be ok with that then?

Columba.9730:

depends how you play wvwvw. gear matters. if it doesn’t how about we make it all equal? would yo be ok with that then?

That would be awesome. Spvp is already like this, since gear matters more on small scale fights.

Phy.2913:

Yes, because one person in your zerg is the reason you can’t take that keep. Without that +30 power the entire group will fail.

raider saying +30 power isn’t important-THE IRONY-IT BURNS!!!!!

miringains.8653:

Its ironic because, It was the WvW portion of the game that was promised to make a difference in MMORPG, more then just side VS side and guild VS guild…… World VS World. What a joke this game is turning into.

They always said WvW wasn’t meant to be balanced.

The way they view it is its a war. Not every player is an equal.

If you want competitive play thats what spvp is for.

I don’t why people think Wv3 is meant to be an equal fight. If it was level 2 players would get all traits and exotics just like in spvp. If it was meant to be equal a server with 10 people would get zerged by a server with 50.

Wv3 was never meant to be a competitive venue. So why do you think it’s supposed to be even gear wise?

You guys need to suck it up and realize what the game is and what it isn’t.