Guild Wars 2

Ok a lot of people really dislike the RNG we all have to suffer from in this game, i love the game but i am really tired of the horrible risk vs. reward this game has implemented.

So i was going to just spend 15.00 a month on gems in the gem store like i was paying a subscription, i have done this since release in my way of supporting the game.

Today i just had it…. 9 runs in 3 dungeons and i got 2 greens the rest blues, sure i know this is really bad luck, but i hate it, i hate feeling like i just wasted my time. I do not want to resent the game i play, but i do more and more.

So for xmas my kid got me a Giant glowing 100 sided dice (from thinkgeek.com i think) I decided i would RNG Anet, sure they make millions a day i bet, but this is my way of “sticking it to the man”.

Once a month i will roll my 100 sided dice, if that Dice does not hit 100 i will not buy any gems for the month. If i hit 100 i will then roll again to show how much i will spend. 1-80 $.5.00 / 81-99 $10.00 / 100 $20.00.

This is how i feel RNG hits me… generally i think i am being generous, but regardless its how i intend to show my support to Anet.

Maybe others will get on board with me ?

I know there will be people on here that say things like: If you don’t like RNG then don’t buy stuff from the gem store der dee der. But I REALLY like this idea lol, it’s exactly how I feel playing 3/4 of this game including the gem store. It’s too bad the other 1/4 of the game has me hooked. Anyhoo I think I’ll start doing this also.

Dradiin.8935:

Ok a lot of people really dislike the RNG we all have to suffer from in this game, i love the game but i am really tired of the horrible risk vs. reward this game has implemented.

So i was going to just spend 15.00 a month on gems in the gem store like i was paying a subscription, i have done this since release in my way of supporting the game.

Today i just had it…. 9 runs in 3 dungeons and i got 2 greens the rest blues, sure i know this is really bad luck, but i hate it, i hate feeling like i just wasted my time. I do not want to resent the game i play, but i do more and more.

So for xmas my kid got me a Giant glowing 100 sided dice (from thinkgeek.com i think) I decided i would RNG Anet, sure they make millions a day i bet, but this is my way of “sticking it to the man”.

Once a month i will roll my 100 sided dice, if that Dice does not hit 100 i will not buy any gems for the month. If i hit 100 i will then roll again to show how much i will spend. 1-80 $.5.00 / 81-99 $10.00 / 100 $20.00.

This is how i feel RNG hits me… generally i think i am being generous, but regardless its how i intend to show my support to Anet.

Maybe others will get on board with me ?

I think you need to skew those odds a little more:
1-99 – Porous Bone
100 – Value of accumulated Porous Bones over past months.

I buy gems whenever they do something cool that I like. My most recent purchase was on the announcement that culling is being removed on the next patch on the 28th – yay!

Bought a nice big batch for that one

Karizee.8076:

I buy gems whenever they do something cool that I like. My most recent purchase was on the announcement that culling is being removed on the next patch on the 28th – yay!

Bought a nice big batch for that one

LOL while its great that they made you happy about talking about fixing culling you might want to go back to that article and re-read it, they are not confirming that fix will be on the 28th, in fact they didn’t even state it would be removed completely, just that its getting worked on.

Anywho, i made this post mainly to show Anet how i like there game but the egregious use of craptastic RNG is forcing me to re-evaluate how i support them.

LOL, love it. Don’t forget to implement DR into this!

Karizee.8076:

I buy gems whenever they do something cool that I like. My most recent purchase was on the announcement that culling is being removed on the next patch on the 28th – yay!

Bought a nice big batch for that one

Pretty sure you are going to be disappointed come the 28th.

Honestly I’m just confused that you were spending $15 a month.

Unless you were converting them into gold I can’t imagine what you found in the gem store to spend that much on.

Danikat.8537:

Honestly I’m just confused that you were spending $15 a month.

Unless you were converting them into gold I can’t imagine what you found in the gem store to spend that much on.

My daughter uses my account to play also, so i have extra character slots, bank slots, some i purchased more bag space, and yes lots of gems for potential gold conversion.

If i like a game thats B2P or even F2P, i show my support by spending a small amount equal to a subscription.

Both my wife and I have decent jobs, we are not in debt and we both play online games. Generally we play alot of online games because we live in Barrow Alaska and when its minus -40f or worse outside, with no shopping centers or even a movie theatre, well MMOs fill the entertainment slot quite nicely.

As i see it $15.00 a month is a pittance to the amounts of entertainment i get from this game and others like it.

Danikat.8537:

Honestly I’m just confused that you were spending $15 a month.

Unless you were converting them into gold I can’t imagine what you found in the gem store to spend that much on.

Who says he was spending most of that? He stated he was spending $15 a month to show his suppport, basically pretending that he was paying for a subscription. I have been buying Gems myself since release and haven’t spent any of it yet, but I want to show my support to Arenanet as well.

i personally dont think the game warrants any expenditures past the $60 purchase price. its a fun game and all and i like it, but its just not a top tier mmo in my opinion(and not really capable of becoming one with the way teh game was designed).

Dradiin.8935:

Karizee.8076:

I buy gems whenever they do something cool that I like. My most recent purchase was on the announcement that culling is being removed on the next patch on the 28th – yay!

Bought a nice big batch for that one

LOL while its great that they made you happy about talking about fixing culling you might want to go back to that article and re-read it, they are not confirming that fix will be on the 28th, in fact they didn’t even state it would be removed completely, just that its getting worked on.

This is what was said:

WvW: How is the fight against culling going?
It is a huge project that involve us basically rewriting the entire way how models and assets load.
Jan update is our first major improvement – models that appear near you will first be a low res model that act as a placeholder until the whole character is loaded in. This will fix those “invisible” characters that appear next to you that some of you are currently experiencing.
Next major step is how do we show more models and more things happening on screen. We are doing a lot of internal testing and it is looking very promising.
We are going to stay away from doing massive open world events with hundreds of people until we get culling fixed.

http://dulfy.net/2013/01/19/gw2-colin-johanson-mmorpg-livestream-transcript-jan-18/

So yeah, I’m pleased as punch

Yeah I’ve pretty much sworn off buying anything RNG. I don’t mind RNG so much in the game, black-lion chest drops and all that. But when it’s with real money, it’s gambling and I’m not okay with that, especially in a game where kids could be gambling.

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Dradiin.8935:

Danikat.8537:

Honestly I’m just confused that you were spending $15 a month.

Unless you were converting them into gold I can’t imagine what you found in the gem store to spend that much on.

My daughter uses my account to play also, so i have extra character slots, bank slots, some i purchased more bag space, and yes lots of gems for potential gold conversion.

If i like a game thats B2P or even F2P, i show my support by spending a small amount equal to a subscription.

Both my wife and I have decent jobs, we are not in debt and we both play online games. Generally we play alot of online games because we live in Barrow Alaska and when its minus -40f or worse outside, with no shopping centers or even a movie theatre, well MMOs fill the entertainment slot quite nicely.

As i see it $15.00 a month is a pittance to the amounts of entertainment i get from this game and others like it.

I wasn’t questioning how you could afford it, or whether you should be spending it on something else. As I said I was just surprised that you could find enough stuff to buy in-game to justify it.

Danikat.8537:

Dradiin.8935:

Danikat.8537:

Honestly I’m just confused that you were spending $15 a month.

Unless you were converting them into gold I can’t imagine what you found in the gem store to spend that much on.

My daughter uses my account to play also, so i have extra character slots, bank slots, some i purchased more bag space, and yes lots of gems for potential gold conversion.

If i like a game thats B2P or even F2P, i show my support by spending a small amount equal to a subscription.

Both my wife and I have decent jobs, we are not in debt and we both play online games. Generally we play alot of online games because we live in Barrow Alaska and when its minus -40f or worse outside, with no shopping centers or even a movie theatre, well MMOs fill the entertainment slot quite nicely.

As i see it $15.00 a month is a pittance to the amounts of entertainment i get from this game and others like it.

I wasn’t questioning how you could afford it, or whether you should be spending it on something else. As I said I was just surprised that you could find enough stuff to buy in-game to justify it.

There is many things in the gem store that appeal to different people.

For instance, I enjoy the costumes/town clothing. Whenever new ones are released, I make sure to pick those up right away. Others enjoy the mini pets and are willing to spend the money to get them all. Along with those who want to collect all the dyes, so they spend money on the dye packs.

Seeing as everything is around 10 dollars or more, 15 bucks a month can go on for awhile to make sure you get all the things you want.

Hickeroar.9734:

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Really? With some of the ridiculous drops in this game 1:100 seems pretty generous to me. I mean people calculated the infinite choir bell to be like a 0.002% drop rate, and it only dropped from a cash-shop RNG item.

Conncept.7638:

Hickeroar.9734:

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Really? With some of the ridiculous drops in this game 1:100 seems pretty generous to me. I mean people calculated the infinite choir bell to be like a 0.002% drop rate, and it only dropped from a cash-shop RNG item.

Infinite choir bells dropped out of gift packages that were dropping like flies all over the world. Didn’t have to spend a dime to get them.

I’m not saying there’s not a problem with their RNG rates. I’m just saying that it’s not as bad as people make it seem….and people should be used to it by now.

I think they could get away with RNG in GW1 because that was a very unique game. The problem is that now they want to compete with games like WoW (They’ve flat-out said so), and that kind of player base wants something a lot more concrete than the RNG schemes they’re using.

Hickeroar.9734:

Conncept.7638:

Hickeroar.9734:

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Really? With some of the ridiculous drops in this game 1:100 seems pretty generous to me. I mean people calculated the infinite choir bell to be like a 0.002% drop rate, and it only dropped from a cash-shop RNG item.

Infinite choir bells dropped out of gift packages that were dropping like flies all over the world. Didn’t have to spend a dime to get them.

I’m not saying there’s not a problem with their RNG rates. I’m just saying that it’s not as bad as people make it seem….and people should be used to it by now.

I think they could get away with RNG in GW1 because that was a very unique game. The problem is that now they want to compete with games like WoW (They’ve flat-out said so), and that kind of player base wants something a lot more concrete than the RNG schemes they’re using.

And who exactly got one from those packages? Not a single person has yet presented him or herself that received a choirbell from a dropped package, only purchased ones.

Conncept.7638:

Hickeroar.9734:

Conncept.7638:

Hickeroar.9734:

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Really? With some of the ridiculous drops in this game 1:100 seems pretty generous to me. I mean people calculated the infinite choir bell to be like a 0.002% drop rate, and it only dropped from a cash-shop RNG item.

Infinite choir bells dropped out of gift packages that were dropping like flies all over the world. Didn’t have to spend a dime to get them.

I’m not saying there’s not a problem with their RNG rates. I’m just saying that it’s not as bad as people make it seem….and people should be used to it by now.

I think they could get away with RNG in GW1 because that was a very unique game. The problem is that now they want to compete with games like WoW (They’ve flat-out said so), and that kind of player base wants something a lot more concrete than the RNG schemes they’re using.

And who exactly got one from those packages? Not a single person has yet presented him or herself that received a choirbell from a dropped package, only purchased ones.

Post about it on reddit. I’m sure you’ll find someone…

I actually got a choir bell out of one of the small packages…wish i had taken kitten for it.

Hickeroar.9734:

…I’m not saying there’s not a problem with their RNG rates. I’m just saying that it’s not as bad as people make it seem….and people should be used to it by now.

I think they could get away with RNG in GW1 because that was a very unique game. The problem is that now they want to compete with games like WoW (They’ve flat-out said so), and that kind of player base wants something a lot more concrete than the RNG schemes they’re using.

People should be used to it by now? Everyone just needs to abandon the concept of fair reward for effort, suck it up and plow on ahead?
What about the people who started playing post-November, who might not have had the chance to accrue enough wealth to provide a buffer against inflated costs and crippled incomes, or the people who might enjoy playing at a more sedate pace due to time restrictions? Should they just ‘get used’ to a clear financial inability to enhance their character’s potential, or to see a return of equal worth on their efforts?
The comparisons to games like WoW are quite apt – they intend on competing with, and superseding, Blizzard’s title.
Why, then, should they view themselves as exempt from providing the same level of return for invested time on the behalf of the player?
The level to which people are willing to grudgingly accept the wholesale reduction of income and reward in Guild Wars 2, and concurrently concede the necessity to utilise the gem store gold conversion system to supplement their hampered resource flow, is the measure of the success of Crystin’s program.
I’ll take an honest subscription model any day of the week over this slimy, underhanded manipulation.

Be like the rest of us, just don’t buy gem store items until they come up with something interesting. You don’t have to force feed ANet gems just at the behest of a RNG.

If only ArenaNet thought like the bot creators then perhaps they could one day get somewhere… You know, find out ways how to screw up, say like teleporting for example, if you teleport to x, y, z without using a waypoint or coin then the client crashes or all of your characters are locked out for a set period of time….

Hickeroar.9734:

It’d be better to say that if the number is evenly divisible by 5, you’ll roll for gems. 1:100 is a little bit far fetched. :P

Not as far fetched as getting a legendary weapon, thats for sure.

Conncept.7638:

And who exactly got one from those packages? Not a single person has yet presented him or herself that received a choirbell from a dropped package, only purchased ones.

Multiple people in my guild got them from the regular gifts. Some got more than one.

I’d think the best way to get their attention would be for the entire community to stay away from the Gem store.

Sadly, I’m suspicious that there are just enough people with too much money and too little sense that are buying loads of gems and turning them to gold for them to not really care.

It’s a crying shame that you can buy a legendary with real money….

if your trying to get rare gear you know you can get it with all the dungeon tokens you have colected. than ((if you beend spending like you say you have)) its easy to just bust them down into the ecto’s and sell them

granted ecto’s are RNG as well but its something

Dradiin.8935:

Ok a lot of people really dislike the RNG we all have to suffer from in this game, i love the game but i am really tired of the horrible risk vs. reward this game has implemented.

So i was going to just spend 15.00 a month on gems in the gem store like i was paying a subscription, i have done this since release in my way of supporting the game.

Today i just had it…. 9 runs in 3 dungeons and i got 2 greens the rest blues, sure i know this is really bad luck, but i hate it, i hate feeling like i just wasted my time. I do not want to resent the game i play, but i do more and more.

So for xmas my kid got me a Giant glowing 100 sided dice (from thinkgeek.com i think) I decided i would RNG Anet, sure they make millions a day i bet, but this is my way of “sticking it to the man”.

Once a month i will roll my 100 sided dice, if that Dice does not hit 100 i will not buy any gems for the month. If i hit 100 i will then roll again to show how much i will spend. 1-80 $.5.00 / 81-99 $10.00 / 100 $20.00.

This is how i feel RNG hits me… generally i think i am being generous, but regardless its how i intend to show my support to Anet.

Maybe others will get on board with me ?

+1 internets to you, sir.

I will start doing this.

I like this good for you guys.

The only stuff I’ve bought with gems are extra bank and inventory spaces, to be honest there’s nothing else in the gem store that takes my fancy, I don’t care for clothes, looks or gimmicks.

The drop rate for anything half decent is disgusting, I’ve done shedloads of DE’s, events, event chains, champs, chests etc, and never get anything other than blues and whites, an occasional green and a measly little bit of Karma.

Funny how I’ve got 200 Black Lion Chests, but I never get any keys, and sure as hell I ainn’t gonna buy them, just to get more trash items.

I do enjoy a good event or whatever, but I’m beginning to think, whats the point !

do what i do, don’t spend a single cent on gems until at least DR is gone. I bought many gems with in game gold but anet will never get my real money with this stupid system they’re rolling

The only items that have any usefullness from the gem shop (besides cosmetics) are:

- Black Lion Salvage Kit
- Black Lion Key
- Mystic Forge Stone
- Transmutation stone
- Some of the boosts
- Extra bank/bag/character space

if you don’t like blues mystic toilet them! That’s what I do! End up with either expensive greens or nice yellows normally

Mirta.5029:

if you don’t like blues mystic toilet them! That’s what I do! End up with either expensive greens or nice yellows normally

Wow i totally never even considered doing the Mystic Toilet to the blues i get, Thanks a ton for this idea, i feel kinda dumb for not even considering this prior to your post.

BTW i did the roll early for next month with my daughter as my witness (yeah i know not very unbiased) Anet rolled a 17

Sorry Anet.

puffintoast.6501:

I think you need to skew those odds a little more:
1-99 – Porous Bone
100 – Value of accumulated Porous Bones over past months.

Made my day with this one, WIN!

Nah..get rid of RNG totally…let us buy Porous Bones with gems.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/January-WvW-culling-loading-changes culling confirmed there fyi

This thread wins.

Forsaken.6720:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/January-WvW-culling-loading-changes culling confirmed there fyi

Umm i still do not see how culling has anything to do with this thread, i commented on it only our of courtesy to the poster who mentioned it. Not even in that post does it say culling will no longer exist at all, its being worked on.

My OP was a light hearted way to express my displeasure about the overused RNG mechanic Anet has hoisted upon us in this game. I disagree with it, and so therefore i will show my support for the game in the same way Anet has shown its disregard for its player base by forcing it on us.

Culling, while a bad mechanic, and exploited even further by Thieves in WvW, was not implemented to curtail how the players played, it was done to facilitate better frame rates in large scale engagements. So no, i do not find it easy to compare the 2 issues, nor do i think culling should be discussed more in this thread.

Thanks to everyone else who commented about my RNG for Anet idea though.

Whats funny is the fact that most of you dont understand what removeing this rng would do to the economy in this game

UnderdogSMO.9428:

Whats funny is the fact that most of you dont understand what removeing this rng would do to the economy in this game

If its properly balanced, it would only do tremendous good for it.

I’m sure people are tired of comparison to “big blue”, but WoW all be it eliminated RNG from their endgame loot and their economies were fine (at least on servers that were not dead – not an issue with GW2’s global tp system)

UnderdogSMO.9428:

Whats funny is the fact that most of you dont understand what removeing this rng would do to the economy in this game

I do not think for even one second i suggested to “REMOVE” RNG, my issue with it is that the RNG implemented for this game falls on the crap side of things mroe often than the decent, good, or great side of things.

Anet has clearly shown that they can easily manipulate the results of RNG, i think this manipulation has been pushed over to the “Give them poo” side of the scale.

So as i stated in my OP, i will do so in kind when it comes to my “appreciation” towards Anet.

Poop—-*———————————————————————————-Shiney