Guild Wars 2

Grettings to all!

After like, i dont even surely remember..like more then a half year by now, i returned to the game. (araund dec)
Or more like, plan to atleast look araund,and decide, if the game changed to the direction i was looking forward to.

I log in and all, (still dunno what class to play, still feels, like it wont actually matter what class you are) run araund…realize, there is still nothing to du, but do story, run araund and level aimlessly, run dungeons for loot, that has basically no worth.

The game still felt empty. There is no real need for players to party up. And i relized, the concept of “not forcing, players into party” is not the way to go. I really thout that the system (like wows lfg and isntance), where the game forces palyers togather wont work. Its half true. But the best system is still the Lineage 2 system, where it wont force them togather, but you cant do a thing without it. So you force yourself.
In Gw2, you dont even have to team up, since there is no real reward anyway, to gain, so you dont bother to force yourself to get something, that is not even really a must have.

Combat : Still feels reaaaaaaaallllyyyyyyyyy boring! I contantly feel that i could even mash buttons and still win. Later : Wont matter what on earth or heaven you do, you still get instantly killed from a “howl attack” when you are not even near, or you are behind-side or the monster-boss. Traps instagib you, harder monsters instagib you. You dont have constant megabuffs on instagibs you. Taking out the downed system would destroy this game, since ppl would die like every 5 sec all ower the places. I cant believe why cant they realize this. (beeing noob or not its still true).
The trinity taken away, still feels like : they have taken something away, and not given something. (when it should feel like “anyone can be anything” that is clearly how it was planned, and announced). And this destroys the dimensions how you can play the game. Since there are no combat roles….you kite, and dmg….thats all. Most bosses felt like : contant dmg spam-or wait for rezzers.

Events : When i logged in, i realized the game is contantly in event time. The good thing is : the World IS alive. There are things truly happenning. Thats is really amazing.
The bad thing is : Devs wont have time to actually add REAL content to the game. Not all care for “kittenty holiday” presents, and backpacks, or fireworks. There is always smt like Easter or Winter Weil, pls less work on that, more work on actuall game.
There are still no Guild Halls, No Guild VS Guild. And a lot of things, that ware good in gw1, and still didnt get implemented.
Cinematics are still boring “talk-talk-talk” …Point of making a cutscene from that? I could like even read it? Its like “no wall of text to read…its a wall of text to listen to”. The Gw1 cuscenes contained YOU, and it made YOU feel that YOU are there and part of the story.

As for now… i am unsure if after THIS moch time, the game is still like this (feels like half complate compared to the thing it was promised), that this is my game…after waiting 5 years…i still waited another (after lounch). How long i actually should wait? Till an expansion? I am not sure i trust the devs that moch anymore.

Some good points though :
I found the graphical engine still good.
After playing crysis 3, Tera, and a lot other new games, i still found Gw2 really good looking. And not only textures or effects, but the general artistic way of the game. Map design is still ubetable. Its a living world, not some flat textured kitten to walk on.

Same goes for Animations. Tera might have good looking ones, but clearly even new games like Elders Scrolls have TERRIBLE animations. Its realyl wicked to see them lack so extremely.

Another thing i fould Gw2 to be unbetable is : PVP. Though pve combat is a fail to me. Pvp did happen to be fun, like in gw1 (though i find the number of “viable” or normal builds lacking). The map designs are good, the action is fun and constant.

Also found the events on maps still refreshing.

As mentioned above, contant events make the world feel alive.
The moderate balance of classes .
The fast travel, and other things that help you get into action instantly, and not make you waste time on boring crap, like travel.
The good music (needs more combat music).

The indepth bacground of Races. Makes them feel distinct, not only makes the character look distinct.

Good luck with your hunt for a game you like.

That’s a new low for the fanboys.
Congratulation.
Next time try pointing out the mistakes in punctuation too.
I mean, you can’t possibly voice an opinion without both perfect grammar and punctuation and no mistakes.

To me “you can’t do a thing without it” is the definition of forcing players into a party.

I really like the GW2 system because if I happen to be playing a time when my guild/server is really quiet I can still get on and do most things, but if people are online then we can form a party and do them together.

But what I really like is that because everyone gets credit for kills and can join in events and things you can play together with people even without being in a party. If someone happens to be around doing the same things you are then you can work together, without having to go through the formalities of forming a party first.

(And of course this is on top of the other bonus that if someone else is around not doing the same things you don’t have to worry about them “stealing” your kills.)

But just because I like it doesn’t mean everyone has to. If another game is doing a better job of giving you what you want then there’s nothing wrong with playing that instead, obviously.

Nick.6972:

That’s a new low for the fanboys.
Congratulation.
Next time try pointing out the mistakes in punctuation too.
I mean, you can’t possibly voice an opinion without both perfect grammar and punctuation and no mistakes.

You use the term fan boy as an insult. Being a fan of a game doesn’t make your opinion worth less than anyone else. It’s true I think that picking on someone’s grammar and spelling is the wrong thing to do.

But coming into a thread and warning people about incoming fan boys, just because their opinion is different from yours is just as obnoxious. It doesn’t help the thread. It doesn’t talk to the issues.

Before you point your finger at others, maybe you should look at your own forum behavior.

What’s more annoying -
Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.

Nick.6972:

What’s more annoying -
Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.

Actually, I can point to several threads where I’ve pointed out stuff wrong with the game. I simply don’t agree that everything is wrong with the game that YOU think is wrong with the game. Apparently you don’t know the difference.

Take the OP’s (and other people’s) complaint about meaningful content. What content is “meaningful” in the context of an MMO. Challenge? Raids? Some people like stuff like that and some people don’t require that from their games. This is strictly a matter of opinion and play style.

So just because someone likes aspects of the game that you don’t like doesn’t make them blind, but your use of the term “fan boy” implies that’s all they think about.

It doesn’t help the dialogue any more than saying there are things wrong and we should all listen because someone says their wrong.

Of course the game has issues. No one is saying otherwise. But that doesn’t necessarily mean every issue pointed out is ACTUALLY an issue. Some of them are just opinions against intentional design decisions.

Respect has to work two ways. Why should “fan boys” respect those who complain when those who complain think they’re right, just because they have an opinion?

Nick.6972:

What’s more annoying -
Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.

As long as people keep telling Anet that they fart Channel No. 5 they’ll keep pumping out RNG weapons and half hearted content.

Nick.6972:

What’s more annoying -
Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.

The problem is whilst you do see both those viewpoints you also get:

“This game suits my playstyle and what I want from an MMO better than any of the others I have tried so even if it’s not perfect I’m happy with it”

and

“This game was broken at launch and everything has been nerfed since, Anet hates their players and the game is dying because of it and [insert other MMO] is obviously better/will be the death of GW2 when it comes out.”

Hyperbole and exaggeration instead of constructive points are just as bad no matter which “side” they’re coming from, but they’re certainly not exclusive to just one.

Paul.4081:

Nick.6972:

What’s more annoying -
Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.

As long as people keep telling Anet that they fart Channel No. 5 they’ll keep pumping out RNG weapons and half hearted content.

But it’s not a black and white issue and your opinion on it doesn’t have to be completely one-sided. Just because someone likes some, or even most aspects of the game doesn’t mean they have to like absolutely everything and can’t or won’t admit to any faults.

I think GW2 is one of my favourite games. Not just MMOs, any games, ever. But I’ve posted repeatedly on the forum about how much I hate RNG, especially for limited-time account bound items, and especially when it costs real money. It’s a disgusting mess of a system that’s only survived because a relatively small number of idiots are willing to pump hundreds of dollars into it because they believe they’ll get lucky.

But it has almost nothing to do with the rest of the game. The fact that I like not having open-world PvP and no kill stealing, optional parties, guilds that are mainly social, very little vertical progression and time-gated content and so on is almost completely unrelated. So when people complain about those things I’m not going to conclude that because I hate RNG the entire game sucks and I should hate all the parts I like as well. I’m going to defend it by trying to explain why I like it and that it offers an alternative to other games on the market.

And equally when I am talking about RNG and how much it sucks I’m not going to act as if the entire game sucks because of it, because that would be lying about my own opinion.

Hmm, first of all. No english is not my primary language, i actually didnt even learn it since i learned German. and yes my grammer does suck…sorry abaut that.

But i do agree on “Though not perfect, it’s understandable for the most part. If you don’t understand something specifically, then ask.”
Thank you Vayne.

Also, please take into consideration, this might be my opinion, but it wont mean there are no players, that cant have the same. Degrading my opinion only bacause its my opinion “only”, is not quite nice.
Putting that aside, i mentioned these things, because i still care abut the game, and wish sucsess for it. And i think those are the flaws that made my gameplay “unfun” or did not make my gameplay fun enough.

I must also agree with Danikat in some way, games are decided to be fail or sucsess, but thats all decided by : “Have fun or not.
If i dont have fun, ill first look into it : what are the things that could make it fun.”
Will they be put in, can they be achived? If yes, do i want to wait? Does it worth effort (to level,to farm gear ect..) if not then, is there a better option?

I think making an thread and expressing your opinion is still worth a lot more then simply “stop playing because you dont find it fun” and dont even look back.

The problem is : there are always players that force an overly positive and happy face on themself, and say : xy is good, dunno what your problem is. And are satisfied with everything. That is the reson there are always a lot of unhappy players, and players that can keep up the happy face, no matter how " kitten" a game becomes. (the reson wow became like this). And the “happy” players wont let the game progress.

As Nick sead it well “Everything’s perfectly fine with the game, you’re wrong, quit, go back to X MMO.
Or.
Improvements should be made to make the game more enjoyable.”
Unless players make devs see that there are problems, and they should work a “bit more” on content, there wont be any changes. Only “events” to keep the crowd happy with “looks like content” (fireworks)
Or dont care abaut anything, and let players, that woul actually play leave and not return.

I’m not negating your opinion because it’s your opinion. I’m negating your opinion because the fixes your opinion would lead to might very well ruin the game for others. I’m not sure if you’ve considered that.

A typical Guild Wars 2 “complaint”, might go something like this.

There’s nothing to work for at max level. Other games, I have plenty fo stuff to work for. I can do raids, I can get better gear.

But a big chunk of the population of the game left his game over those better stats, even though they weren’t much better. Because Anet had designed a game that wasn’t supposed to have vertical progression. By compromising with the people who wanted vertical progression, Anet lost of a lot support from people who loved this game long before it was out. A lot of people felt Anet had sold them out.

That decision, at least in part, came from players expressing their opinion. That change ruined the game for thouands, maybe tens of thousands of players. No one knows just how much damage it did, but I don’t think anyone denies that it did damage.

So your opinion might be yours and harmless, or your opinion and the opinion of those like you might very well kill a game that others quite like the way it is…that’s still most of the way the game company conceived it.

It’s not about your opinion and my opinion. It’s about the game that was promised and keeping it, in as much as possible, as close to those ideals as possible.

There are probably many other MMOs you’d like…but this is the only MMO to date for people like me.

Vayne.8563:

You use the term fan boy as an insult. Being a fan of a game doesn’t make your opinion worth less than anyone else. It’s true I think that picking on someone’s grammar and spelling is the wrong thing to do.

But coming into a thread and warning people about incoming fan boys, just because their opinion is different from yours is just as obnoxious. It doesn’t help the thread. It doesn’t talk to the issues.

Before you point your finger at others, maybe you should look at your own forum behavior.

A fanboy is not the same as a fan.

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

You use the term fan boy as an insult. Being a fan of a game doesn’t make your opinion worth less than anyone else. It’s true I think that picking on someone’s grammar and spelling is the wrong thing to do.

But coming into a thread and warning people about incoming fan boys, just because their opinion is different from yours is just as obnoxious. It doesn’t help the thread. It doesn’t talk to the issues.

Before you point your finger at others, maybe you should look at your own forum behavior.

A fanboy is not the same as a fan.

Why is that? A fan is someone who likes the game. You can be a Star Trek fan, it means you like Star Trek a lot. I was a Yankee fan once upon a time. I liked the Yankees a lot. And if I like Guild Wars 2 a lot, I’m a Guild Wars 2 fan.

The ONLY reason to add the term boy after it is to try to make someone look worse, which devalues their view. It’s the same exactly thing as calling someone who doesn’t like the game a hater, or a naysayer.

Once the word fanboy is used, you’re actually asking others to not listen to anything this person says, because this person has no ability to judge. That’s not necessarily true.

If people are going to use the term fan boy to devalue the opinions of those who like the game, their own arguments should be equally suspect.

Vayne.8563:

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

You use the term fan boy as an insult. Being a fan of a game doesn’t make your opinion worth less than anyone else. It’s true I think that picking on someone’s grammar and spelling is the wrong thing to do.

But coming into a thread and warning people about incoming fan boys, just because their opinion is different from yours is just as obnoxious. It doesn’t help the thread. It doesn’t talk to the issues.

Before you point your finger at others, maybe you should look at your own forum behavior.

A fanboy is not the same as a fan.

Why is that? A fan is someone who likes the game. You can be a Star Trek fan, it means you like Star Trek a lot. I was a Yankee fan once upon a time. I liked the Yankees a lot. And if I like Guild Wars 2 a lot, I’m a Guild Wars 2 fan.

The ONLY reason to add the term boy after it is to try to make someone look worse, which devalues their view. It’s the same exactly thing as calling someone who doesn’t like the game a hater, or a naysayer.

Once the word fanboy is used, you’re actually asking others to not listen to anything this person says, because this person has no ability to judge. That’s not necessarily true.

If people are going to use the term fan boy to devalue the opinions of those who like the game, their own arguments should be equally suspect.

A fanboy is more like a brainwashed zombie that can’t handle any criticism about his game, always supporting even the stupidest crap that is thrown his way.

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

You use the term fan boy as an insult. Being a fan of a game doesn’t make your opinion worth less than anyone else. It’s true I think that picking on someone’s grammar and spelling is the wrong thing to do.

But coming into a thread and warning people about incoming fan boys, just because their opinion is different from yours is just as obnoxious. It doesn’t help the thread. It doesn’t talk to the issues.

Before you point your finger at others, maybe you should look at your own forum behavior.

A fanboy is not the same as a fan.

Why is that? A fan is someone who likes the game. You can be a Star Trek fan, it means you like Star Trek a lot. I was a Yankee fan once upon a time. I liked the Yankees a lot. And if I like Guild Wars 2 a lot, I’m a Guild Wars 2 fan.

The ONLY reason to add the term boy after it is to try to make someone look worse, which devalues their view. It’s the same exactly thing as calling someone who doesn’t like the game a hater, or a naysayer.

Once the word fanboy is used, you’re actually asking others to not listen to anything this person says, because this person has no ability to judge. That’s not necessarily true.

If people are going to use the term fan boy to devalue the opinions of those who like the game, their own arguments should be equally suspect.

A fanboy is more like a brainwashed zombie that can’t handle any criticism about his game, always supporting even the stupidest crap that is thrown his way.

Ah, but this is where opinion comes in. I handle criticism just fine…it’s SPECIFIC criticism that I object to, as I’ve said many times before. I’ve said negative stuff myself about Guild Wars 2, so obviously I can handle criticism.

The problem is if I don’t agree with ‘your’ criticism, which is obvious to ‘you’ then I must be some kind of fan boy. Do you not see out totally dismissive that is?

It’s really no better than calling someone a troll because they posted something you’ve disagreed with.

Vayne.8563:

Ah, but this is where opinion comes in. I handle criticism just fine…it’s SPECIFIC criticism that I object to, as I’ve said many times before. I’ve said negative stuff myself about Guild Wars 2, so obviously I can handle criticism.

The problem is if I don’t agree with ‘your’ criticism, which is obvious to ‘you’ then I must be some kind of fan boy. Do you not see out totally dismissive that is?

It’s really no better than calling someone a troll because they posted something you’ve disagreed with.

If you handle criticism just fine, he’s probably not talking about you when he says fanboys then

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

Ah, but this is where opinion comes in. I handle criticism just fine…it’s SPECIFIC criticism that I object to, as I’ve said many times before. I’ve said negative stuff myself about Guild Wars 2, so obviously I can handle criticism.

The problem is if I don’t agree with ‘your’ criticism, which is obvious to ‘you’ then I must be some kind of fan boy. Do you not see out totally dismissive that is?

It’s really no better than calling someone a troll because they posted something you’ve disagreed with.

If you handle criticism just fine, he’s probably not talking about you when he says fanboys then

It’s not relevant who he’s talking about though. The problem is how easy it is to call someone fan boy even without provocation. Nick has issues with the game. He doesn’t like the game, so it’s easy to just say this guy’s a fan boy.

Even a fan boy in theory could have an opinion that’s worth listening to. It’s dimissive, it brings nothing to the conversation, and it shouldn’t be used. It’s just someone’s opinion not about the game, but about another poster.

Vayne.8563:

It’s not relevant who he’s talking about though. The problem is how easy it is to call someone fan boy even without provocation. Nick has issues with the game. He doesn’t like the game, so it’s easy to just say this guy’s a fan boy.

Even a fan boy in theory could have an opinion that’s worth listening to. It’s dimissive, it brings nothing to the conversation, and it shouldn’t be used. It’s just someone’s opinion not about the game, but about another poster.

It is relevant, because “fanboy” is not just a superficial slur.

Fanboys cause a lot of damage to their games and their communities.

AntiGw.9367:

Vayne.8563:

It’s not relevant who he’s talking about though. The problem is how easy it is to call someone fan boy even without provocation. Nick has issues with the game. He doesn’t like the game, so it’s easy to just say this guy’s a fan boy.

Even a fan boy in theory could have an opinion that’s worth listening to. It’s dimissive, it brings nothing to the conversation, and it shouldn’t be used. It’s just someone’s opinion not about the game, but about another poster.

It is relevant, because “fanboy” is not just a superficial slur.

Fanboys cause a lot of damage to their games and their communities.

But judging someone a fan boy IS a slur and it’s used as one. Because you’re saying this person is not qualified to judge. Who gets to decide that? You? Nick?

I’ve seen some very thoughtful and intelligent people with very good insight called fan boys over the years, who definitely didn’t deserve the title. And naysayers and trolls can’t damage communities?

We’re not allowed to call people trolls on these forums, but trolls can damage communities.

Nah, I don’t buy it. You just want a convenient way to dismiss someone’s opinion who disagrees with you. Argue the facts and don’t get personal. That’s the only way to argue.

Wait, why are we arguing about what people call each other on the internet?

AntiGw.9367:

Wait, why are we arguing about what people call each other on the internet?

One of the deleted posts in this thread, was a warning about incoming fan boys. That’s what I was originally responding to. That post is actually gone but it was here. So someone (I won’t say who) was pre-empting everything said against the OP, simply because he agreed with the OP.

And I don’t think that’s right.

To expand a little. The person who wrote the comment and then deleted it calls every single person who does not explicitly write they hate the game a fanboy. You must write that you not only hate the game but have hated the game for x months. Also saying you came back from hating the game to hate the game more is a bonus.

Vayne.8563:

AntiGw.9367:

Wait, why are we arguing about what people call each other on the internet?

One of the deleted posts in this thread, was a warning about incoming fan boys. That’s what I was originally responding to. That post is actually gone but it was here. So someone (I won’t say who) was pre-empting everything said against the OP, simply because he agreed with the OP.

And I don’t think that’s right.

I do agree on a lot of terms with you Vayne. You do have a point and its totalyl resonable conclusion, but i must also say that :
If they do want to stick with the “close to the ideals as possible” , then that is not a problem, they should just compromise, and listen to the community a little bit more.
Not base the game on that, just listen to it.
You see, my problem is, that, even if you explain what you (this part of the community) dont like in the game, they keep pushing the same “crap” at you. Instead of trying to make compromisses.
Sadly this will cost them the whole “this side” of community, as you describe it.
I understand, what you try to say is : remaking the game based on part of the cummunity will destroy it for the other half. Yes i agree. But lets face it
The “ideals they stick so close with” are actually not what they actually gave out in the game. I basically came to like the devs and the game in the “5year” development time exacly because of those ideals.
And to tell you the truth, a LOT of new games and the whole new genre of mmo-s is getting based on those principles, but they do have flaws and they only lead the whole genre away from the path they dreamed up. Because they could not implement it the way it sounds to be.

Off topic : Could you all stop with the fanboy kitten discussion? noone cares. Its totally off topic, not to mention the thread will be closed.
I admire the guy who wanted to protect me from getting harassed. It wont matter.how you call them.