Lots of bugs in this last patch. I guess that’s one more.
At least this one seems to be easier to fix. Track people that had access to beta and if they unlocked skins rollback account and ban them for exploiting. This is not a HoM bug where (by mistake) i unlocked it myself, they did it on purpose and deserve to be punished for being “loyal” in this case. Loyal exploit deservers a loyal ban
Whats the point of a beta/stress test? Do you know?
To find problems in the game that need fixing, this is just one of many things, anything from the beta/stress test effecting the rest of the game is not a bannable offense, if anything Anet would be happy this happened so they can fix it.
Sounds too me you are just sour that you wasn’t in the test.
Shoot. I could easily see myself doing what that person did. Suddenly finding a brand new, anticipated armor in my wardrobe? Me, I would be interested in trying it on the race I’m thinking about making as my Revenant. Maybe even waltzing around town, call over some friends and guildies to see. Then reporting as a bug and replacing it with my old armor.
So bannable. Geez.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
That’s me. And honestly i could care less if they make me get rid of the skin as its not that great anyway. I noticed it was in my wardrobe and decided to try and skin it, and it worked. No I did not intentionally bug the skins. In fact i played the beta for less than 5 mins before i got bored with rev. I gain no benefits from these skins so if they make me change the skin fine lol. Did I report the bug no, Because I’m still waiting on a response from another issue I’ve had in game
Whats punishment enough is the amount of times i had to respond “Idk i saw they were unlocked and tried it out” lol
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Why are people so angry? :o
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Because the skins in game are also connected to collections and those collections’ rewards can in some cases provide an advantage to the player in terms of farming and therefore increase their abilities beyond other players in the economy, then yes, that would be an exploit and therfore Anet would be completely justified in punishing the account/account holder.
So then if with the skins as I said all you got were the skins (no collections nothing trade/sellable) All they get is the skins (many skins are not part of collections) In GW2 the graphic/look is what has value. Im not saying a ban is justified, I’m simply trying to understand why people are saying look/apperance is in no way a benefit. If apperance/looks are worth nothing then why do people pay the amounts of gold they do for them.
In point of fact, due to the shear volume of whispers the player says they experienced, it was a distinct disadvantage to game play.
Now that’s not something I hear every day… Someone getting attention for having something that looks cool is a distinct disadvantage… Most people show that type of stuff off for a reason.
Once again not saying it’s ban worth, I just disagree with the fact that graphic/apperence = 0 benefit.
Shoot. I could easily see myself doing what that person did. Suddenly finding a brand new, anticipated armor in my wardrobe?
From what i guess, getting the armor required first pulling off a different exploit (namely, enabling guild access – which i have seen several people managed to do somehow). I doubt it was as accidental as HoM achieves bug – in fact, i highly doubt it was accidental at all.
Actions, not words.
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And here we have yet another example of “if it can be exploited, it will be.”
Not really. Consider i had no intentions of using it as an exploit, also consider i finally posted it in the bugs forums I was only trying it if it worked. If i never tried someone else would have and the same situation would of happened. I wouldn’t call this an exploit since their is no gain “make full use of and derive benefit from”. Its a bug that creates 0 advantage over other players and can’t be exploited for gain other than kitten.
Except that you knew it was wrong….and did it anyway….
Except it’s not wrong. Go ahead and read through the terms of service and see where it says you can’t equip armor skins that provide no in game benefit. Literally none whatsoever. What, is somebody going to get confused in PvP because they think they’re fighting a Revenant? Give me a break.
Seems more like people are just salty because they didn’t get into the beta.
Actually I have no issues with the fact that I didn’t get into the stress test. Wasn’t even a beta.
Using a bug, knowing its a bug, is an exploit. It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t give a tangible benefit in this instance. However, I was address the mentality in general here, not just this specific instance. It is simply another example of “if I can, I’m going to. I don’t care who it hurts” In this instance, it hurts no one, because it is simply cosmetic; however, that’s not true in all cases.
So this case is totally unrelated to someone using a bug for profit. In fact, this is exactly how many bugs are found, because people push the game’s systems to see what’s possible.
You may be annoyed by people who say “if you don’t say I can’t, then I can,” but I really dislike the attitude of “if you don’t say I can, then I can’t.”
How many awesome areas in games would be unexplored without people trying to break the map and find ways to slip through barriers that the developers put into the maps?
Now apply your mentality to real life. That’s exactly why we have to have warning tags that say things like “do not use hair dryer in the tub or shower.” Ugh. And don’t spout “but this is just a game” because if you think how people are in game / real life don’t affect the other then you are very wrong.
Those warning labels are there to prevent lawsuits and help companies maintain goodwill with their customers, not because they’re worried that people will think they’re “allowed” to make toast while they’re taking a bath.
Gonna spout a bit, too bad: Setting aside the fact that games are not real life, and comparisons between them are worthless (I don’t kill random animals in real life, I’ll even carefully remove the lizards that somehow keep making their way into my living room so they don’t get hurt by my dogs), I doubt ANet sees things the way you do. If they banned people for trying things out and then reporting them as bugs then they would get drastically fewer bug reports, which would hurt them in the long run.
Once upon a time, those warning labels didn’t exist because they didn’t need to. People had thing called common sense. Something we obviously now lack. Like the person that spilled their McDonald’s coffee on them self and then sued because they got burned. Hello…coffee is hot (unless you’re ordering iced coffee, and that’s entirely different).
I never said they should be banned. I didn’t jump on that bandwagon. Do I think they shouldn’t have skinned it when it hasn’t been released for consumption? Yes. Do I think they should reskin? Yes. Do I think he should get his trans charges back? No, because he didn’t use common sense here.
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
Shoot. I could easily see myself doing what that person did. Suddenly finding a brand new, anticipated armor in my wardrobe?
From what i guess, getting the armor required first pulling off a different exploit (namely, enabling guild access – which i have seen several people managed to do somehow). I doubt it was as accidental as HoM achieves bug – in fact, i highly doubt it was accidental at all.
Guild access? It would have to be chat only. How is having guild chat an exploit? I read you could speak to guildies if you got re-sent a guild invite but I don’t see how it would unlock the armor in your wardrobe.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
And here we have yet another example of “if it can be exploited, it will be.”
Not really. Consider i had no intentions of using it as an exploit, also consider i finally posted it in the bugs forums I was only trying it if it worked. If i never tried someone else would have and the same situation would of happened. I wouldn’t call this an exploit since their is no gain “make full use of and derive benefit from”. Its a bug that creates 0 advantage over other players and can’t be exploited for gain other than kitten.
Except that you knew it was wrong….and did it anyway….
Except it’s not wrong. Go ahead and read through the terms of service and see where it says you can’t equip armor skins that provide no in game benefit. Literally none whatsoever. What, is somebody going to get confused in PvP because they think they’re fighting a Revenant? Give me a break.
Seems more like people are just salty because they didn’t get into the beta.
Actually I have no issues with the fact that I didn’t get into the stress test. Wasn’t even a beta.
Using a bug, knowing its a bug, is an exploit. It doesn’t matter that it doesn’t give a tangible benefit in this instance. However, I was address the mentality in general here, not just this specific instance. It is simply another example of “if I can, I’m going to. I don’t care who it hurts” In this instance, it hurts no one, because it is simply cosmetic; however, that’s not true in all cases.
So this case is totally unrelated to someone using a bug for profit. In fact, this is exactly how many bugs are found, because people push the game’s systems to see what’s possible.
You may be annoyed by people who say “if you don’t say I can’t, then I can,” but I really dislike the attitude of “if you don’t say I can, then I can’t.”
How many awesome areas in games would be unexplored without people trying to break the map and find ways to slip through barriers that the developers put into the maps?
Now apply your mentality to real life. That’s exactly why we have to have warning tags that say things like “do not use hair dryer in the tub or shower.” Ugh. And don’t spout “but this is just a game” because if you think how people are in game / real life don’t affect the other then you are very wrong.
Those warning labels are there to prevent lawsuits and help companies maintain goodwill with their customers, not because they’re worried that people will think they’re “allowed” to make toast while they’re taking a bath.
Gonna spout a bit, too bad: Setting aside the fact that games are not real life, and comparisons between them are worthless (I don’t kill random animals in real life, I’ll even carefully remove the lizards that somehow keep making their way into my living room so they don’t get hurt by my dogs), I doubt ANet sees things the way you do. If they banned people for trying things out and then reporting them as bugs then they would get drastically fewer bug reports, which would hurt them in the long run.
Once upon a time, those warning labels didn’t exist because they didn’t need to. People had thing called common sense. Something we obviously now lack. Like the person that spilled their McDonald’s coffee on them self and then sued because they got burned. Hello…coffee is hot (unless you’re ordering iced coffee, and that’s entirely different).
I never said they should be banned. I didn’t jump on that bandwagon. Do I think they shouldn’t have skinned it when it hasn’t been released for consumption? Yes. Do I think they should reskin? Yes. Do I think he should get his trans charges back? No, because he didn’t use common sense here.
The spilled coffee incident?
Source: (need to copy and paste) https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
“The coffee was not just “hot,” but dangerously hot. McDonald’s corporate policy was to serve it at a temperature that could cause serious burns in seconds. Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries were far from frivolous. She was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and kept it against her skin. She suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere.”
“McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.”
A warning label was more than needed on this situation because sometimes it’s the business that lacks common sense.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Oh neat.. two kicks in the shins. First no stress test access regardless spending estimated 2000 bucks for gem cards and playing the game since 2 years almost everday and now people running arround with the armor i wait for since the first rytlock teaser picture popped up with the promise of a good looking and top quality charr armor for once and i have no way to get it whatsoever…and yes im salty…my touch alone could petrify…
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
“The coffee was not just “hot,” but dangerously hot. McDonald’s corporate policy was to serve it at a temperature that could cause serious burns in seconds. Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries were far from frivolous. She was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and kept it against her skin. She suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere.”
“McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.”
A warning label was more than needed on this situation.
It’s still common sense that if you spill coffee on yourself you’re going to get burned. You realize the standard home coffee pot (drip style) brews coffee at 190+ degrees? The Keurig default brew temp is 192 degrees. The ideal brew temp for coffee is 200 degrees. Therefore, McDonald’s coffee isn’t any hotter than the coffee you make at home.
Google it
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
So then if with the skins as I said all you got were the skins (no collections nothing trade/sellable) All they get is the skins (many skins are not part of collections) In GW2 the graphic/look is what has value. Im not saying a ban is justified, I’m simply trying to understand why people are saying look/apperance is in no way a benefit. If apperance/looks are worth nothing then why do people pay the amounts of gold they do for them.
You’re confusing goals with benefits. Having every skin unlocked in your account provides no benefit unless they satisfy a goal, i.e. collections. Fasion may be the end game but there is no fasion contest that one wins in this game. Fasion is individual taste. There is also no benefit to being able to equip hundreds of skins in eight-ten slots. Having all skins unlocked would be beyond useless in your hypothetical.
Fasion items are the goals we set for ourselves and the reward Anet provides for play or pay. Fasion is not the win.
And by your definition, would this not constitute a complete mastery of the game and therefore negate any further reason for playing? Since gear level and stats apparently mean less to “winning” the game than running around looking schmexy.
In point of fact, due to the shear volume of whispers the player says they experienced, it was a distinct disadvantage to game play.
Now that’s not something I hear every day… Someone getting attention for having something that looks cool is a distinct disadvantage… Most people show that type of stuff off for a reason.
Once again not saying it’s ban worth, I just disagree with the fact that graphic/apperence = 0 benefit.
The player involved said that they were getting tells so often that they had to log out of their favored character. They were not typing “look at me!” in map chat. They were not dancing on the Stormwind fountain. (wrong game, but you get my meaning) They simply saw something odd, experimented and grew to regret it. It had a negative impact upon their enjoyment of the game. You don’t see how that’s a disadvantage?
https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
“The coffee was not just “hot,” but dangerously hot. McDonald’s corporate policy was to serve it at a temperature that could cause serious burns in seconds. Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries were far from frivolous. She was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and kept it against her skin. She suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere.”
“McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.”
A warning label was more than needed on this situation.
It’s still common sense that if you spill coffee on yourself you’re going to get burned. You realize the standard home coffee pot (drip style) brews coffee at 190+ degrees? The Keurig default brew temp is 192 degrees. The ideal brew temp for coffee is 200 degrees. Therefore, McDonald’s coffee isn’t any hotter than the coffee you make at home.
Google it
It’s also not a good idea to sell scalding hot coffee in a flimsy styrofoam cup with a flimsy unstable lid to people who are in a moving vehicle. A little common sense would have informed the business that selling scalding hot liquids in flimsy containers to people who are in moving vehicles will lead to burns.
Its a bit different when it’s in a coffee mug with a proper handle on a non moving stable surface.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
