Guild Wars 2

So I’m just complaining because Revenant cannot use GreatSword, and I think that that isn’t right because every other heavy class (Warrior and Guardian) can use a GreatSword. If your read this ArenaNet please let the Revenant use a GreatSword in further updates, or at least let Herald use a GreatSword because GreatSword is my favourite weapon and I really want to be able to use it on my favourite class, thank you if you see this and add the GreatSword to the Revenant/Herald class. BattleNet if you see this please contact Danklerr9@gmail.com if you will NOT let Revenant/Herald use GreatSword, or if you will,

Thank You Either way,

And Thank You Random Person For Reading, Reply Saying “Revenant/
Herald should be able to use GW” if you agree and if you disagree reply “No they shouldn’t be able to use GW”

Cheers,

-Random Person On The Internet

Maybe as a next E spec, who knows….

flog.3485:

Maybe as a next E spec, who knows….

I hope so :/

Releasing more weapons as part of Elite specialisations is not the answer. Elite specialisations should focus on modifying all current existing abilities is closer to the right direction. Also all the weapons should be available to nearly all classes regardless of Elite specialisations.

If they can’t do that then ArenaNet should allow for cross weapon transmutation one handed melee weapons with melee and one handed ranged with the one handed ranged. Two handed melee with the melee and the ranged with the ranged so on and so forth.

Nightarch.2943:

Releasing more weapons as part of Elite specializations is not the answer. Elite specializations should focus on modifying all current existing abilities is closer to the right direction. Also, all the weapons should be available to nearly all classes regardless of Elite specializations.

If they can’t do that then ArenaNet should allow for cross weapon transmutation one-handed melee weapons with melee and one handed ranged with the one handed ranged. Two-handed melees with the melee and the ranged with the ranged so on and so forth.

mhm yes I agree every class should be able to use nearly every weapon

Nightarch.2943:

Releasing more weapons as part of Elite specialisations is not the answer. Elite specialisations should focus on modifying all current existing abilities is closer to the right direction. Also all the weapons should be available to nearly all classes regardless of Elite specialisations.

If they can’t do that then ArenaNet should allow for cross weapon transmutation one handed melee weapons with melee and one handed ranged with the one handed ranged. Two handed melee with the melee and the ranged with the ranged so on and so forth.

And why should they that exactly ?

So i want something = battlenet? , Make it happen= reason because i want it…..if everyone reasoned like this, oh man…….

flog.3485:

Nightarch.2943:

Releasing more weapons as part of Elite specialisations is not the answer. Elite specialisations should focus on modifying all current existing abilities is closer to the right direction. Also all the weapons should be available to nearly all classes regardless of Elite specialisations.

If they can’t do that then ArenaNet should allow for cross weapon transmutation one handed melee weapons with melee and one handed ranged with the one handed ranged. Two handed melee with the melee and the ranged with the ranged so on and so forth.

And why should they that exactly ?

Why should they do it? You tell me, it’s quite clear what I am suggesting.

Granada Garuda.8391:

So i want something = battlenet? , Make it happen= reason because i want it…..if everyone reasoned like this, oh man…….

:/ battlenet is the creator of the game right? reason? yes I want it but still, maybe other people want it, I just said that because it was the thing I thought of first, and because of course I want it

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

DD necro or bust the only alternative is AD necro.

Danklerr.1739:

mhm yes I agree every class should be able to use nearly every weapon

Lore wise having a Thief wielding a two handed greatsword or hammer lacks sense.

Abut the topic: I would love to see someday greatsword as a Revenant weapon, but NOT in the next (second) expansion. The class currently needs a ranged condition (or hybrid) weapon due the condition builds lacks any pressure at range, but a pistol, longbow, shortbow or rifle would fill the task much better due ANet already did use the greatsword as ranged weapon with the Mesmer.

Buran.3796:

Danklerr.1739:

mhm yes I agree every class should be able to use nearly every weapon

Lore wise having a Thief wielding a two handed greatsword or hammer lacks sense.

Abut the topic: I would love to see someday greatsword as a Revenant weapon, but NOT in the next (second) expansion. The class currently needs a ranged condition (or hybrid) weapon due the condition builds lacks any pressure at range, but a pistol, longbow, shortbow or rifle would fill the task much better due ANet already did use the greatsword as ranged weapon with the Mesmer.

im semi kind of ok with them not having a ranged condi options i woulnt mind mid range great sword condi like 300-900 range on the skills so long as they are all aoe oriented. also projectile reflection and team retaliation would be a good place to start. here are some prototype skills

1:300 range 3 enemy cleave deals cripple first strike bleed second torment third
2:900 range leap finisher creates 4 second long toxin field
3:600 range grants allies 5 seconds of retaliation and chills enemies
4:600 range cleave draws enemies to you and deals 3-6 stacks of bleed based on their distance from you
5:900m dash to location placing a 4 second projectile reflection bubble at your landing and fire field on both your path to and circle around the bubble. projectiles reflected from the bubble burn foes.

I still say hybrid 900 ranged greatsword would be amazing! Especially if the auto attack was similar to Necro Axe where you slash but instead of it being a projectile, it hits the target directly

Rangerdeity.5847:

1:300 range 3 enemy cleave deals cripple first strike bleed second torment third

A condi (or hybrid) ranged weapon whichs #1 doesn’t aply condition with every attack and has a 300 unit range? No thanx, the mace is already better.

I 100% and then some more agree with Revs getting GS!

I think it should be a weapon that functions similarly to Spear, and is either a condi weapon, or hybrid.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I 100% and then some more agree with Revs getting GS!

I think it should be a weapon that functions similarly to Spear, and is either a condi weapon, or hybrid.

Yes thank you for agreeing with me

Revenant was intentionally made to get away from the normal use of certain weapons.
Hammer is their ranged weapon – usually the heavy cc melee weapon
Mace is their condi weapon
Axe is offhand only and also condi orientated.
Staff is melee with emphasis on CC
Sword is their main dps weapon – a spot usually reserved for greatsword.

If Anet gave Revenant a greatsword, it should be as their ranged condi weapon.

Lahmia.2193:

Revenant was intentionally made to get away from the normal use of certain weapons.
Hammer is their ranged weapon – usually the heavy cc melee weapon
Mace is their condi weapon
Axe is offhand only and also condi orientated.
Staff is melee with emphasis on CC
Sword is their main dps weapon – a spot usually reserved for greatsword.

If Anet gave Revenant a greatsword, it should be as their ranged condi weapon.

Yes it should be they’re condition ranged

Revenant definitely got the shaft for weapon choice. I believe they just ran out of time to add more and released it with the minimum we have. Not sure I like the GS idea for a Revenant. Conceptually seems a little much IMO.

because all 2 other heavy classes can use greatsword, revenants should be able to aswell.

Well that’s a strong argument.

Buran.3796:

Rangerdeity.5847:

1:300 range 3 enemy cleave deals cripple first strike bleed second torment third

A condi (or hybrid) ranged weapon whichs #1 doesn’t aply condition with every attack and has a 300 unit range? No thanx, the mace is already better.

cripple to keep them in bleed and torment to deal damage that is a condi on each attack…. infact it covers your bleeds so that condi clears dont always prevent the damage what more could you ask for other than maybe range but honestly im trying not to be overpowered here.

Rangerdeity.5847:

Buran.3796:

Rangerdeity.5847:

1:300 range 3 enemy cleave deals cripple first strike bleed second torment third

A condi (or hybrid) ranged weapon whichs #1 doesn’t aply condition with every attack and has a 300 unit range? No thanx, the mace is already better.

cripple to keep them in bleed and torment to deal damage that is a condi on each attack…. infact it covers your bleeds so that condi clears dont always prevent the damage what more could you ask for other than maybe range but honestly im trying not to be overpowered here.

Ranger’s shortbow or Necro’s scepter seem to me a good examples of condition ranged weapons. None of them are op.

Buran.3796:

Rangerdeity.5847:

Buran.3796:

Rangerdeity.5847:

1:300 range 3 enemy cleave deals cripple first strike bleed second torment third

A condi (or hybrid) ranged weapon whichs #1 doesn’t aply condition with every attack and has a 300 unit range? No thanx, the mace is already better.

cripple to keep them in bleed and torment to deal damage that is a condi on each attack…. infact it covers your bleeds so that condi clears dont always prevent the damage what more could you ask for other than maybe range but honestly im trying not to be overpowered here.

Ranger’s shortbow or Necro’s scepter seem to me a good examples of condition ranged weapons. None of them are op.

yes but this is a 3 enemy cleave i mean i suppose it could be a 600m ability with a small aoe around or even behind the enemy for example knock the soul out of them and hit enemies in a cone behind them. but i feel hitting more than one enemy on the auto attack is relevant on this weapon.

No hybrid weapons.

Hybrid weapons are trash in PvE.

Justine.6351:

because all 2 other heavy classes can use greatsword, revenants should be able to aswell.

Well that’s a strong argument.

You can make any correlation you want to justify it. The question is if it fits the theme of the class, not what other classes have. Does a big chopping GS fit the theme considering the flavour of the current weapons they have? I think that’s a stretch. The weapons currently have a very magical-enhancement flavour and go slightly against the grain of what you would expect them to do, like hammer being range and staff being like a hammer.

I think if Revenant does get something like a GS, it’s flavour is something more like mesmer GS than Warrior/Guardian GS. It not only important to consider the weapon, but the context of the class it’s attached to. We see this with other classes too, like Necro Axe and Ele Dagger. Just wanting GS on Revenant will not necessarily result in the concept you are thinking it should be.

The real question we should ask is what flavour we want another weapon on Rev to be.

Obtena.7952:

Justine.6351:

because all 2 other heavy classes can use greatsword, revenants should be able to aswell.

Well that’s a strong argument.

You can make any correlation you want to justify it. The question is if it fits the theme of the class, not what other classes have. Does a big chopping GS fit the theme considering the flavour of the current weapons they have? I think that’s a stretch. The weapons currently have a very magical-enhancement flavour and go slightly against the grain of what you would expect them to do, like hammer being range and staff being like a hammer.

I think if Revenant does get something like a GS, it’s flavour is something more like mesmer GS than Warrior/Guardian GS. It not only important to consider the weapon, but the context of the class it’s attached to. We see this with other classes too, like Necro Axe and Ele Dagger. Just wanting GS on Revenant will not necessarily result in the concept you are thinking it should be.

The real question we should ask is what flavour we want another weapon on Rev to be.

i would honestly rather it be a 600-900 range condi version of necro GS

I would prefer a rework of the condition mix as well. Torment on a melee weapon is just stupid, especially as an AA effect. GS could do that, but I don’t think that was the intention of the OP since the proposal angle was based on a traditional logic that heavy classes use heavy weapons. Regardless, I would support another medium-long range weapon addition, especially if it was condition based.

New weapon? I think we will have another class on next expansion instead. Just as rough as revenant is or even worse.

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

Best at what? I’d rather take mainhand axe with no offhand than use GS.

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

Zenith.7301:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Justine.6351:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

Best at what? I’d rather take mainhand axe with no offhand than use GS.

Go for it, inhibiting yourself is your own fault.

Okami.7049:

Justine.6351:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

Best at what? I’d rather take mainhand axe with no offhand than use GS.

Go for it, inhibiting yourself is your own fault.

It wouldn’t inhibit as I would take a focus too…

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Muchacho.2390:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Same reason why others would state it’s trash: opinion. A weapon can do the highest numbers possible, but if it doesn’t suit a player’s playstyle it typically won’t be picked up (at least in my case that is). Weapons in this game tend to perform differently depending on personal preference, if you enjoy the GS you’ll typically get the most out of it while if you despise it you won’t bother fine-tuning it. Like I said, Meta isn’t everything and if anything it hurts the game. Sure you know the ‘most effective tactic’ but for players who just want to have fun, we end up being shunned and ‘banned’ from the higher end content simply because we don’t live up to the public’s standards. Meanwhile, even though I may not be using a Meta build I wind up outlasting everyone on my team (<- example btw). Meta just causes self-proclaimed Elitists to look down on everyone else, hence why I hate it and despise its very existence.

Okami.7049:

Muchacho.2390:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Same reason why others would state it’s trash: opinion. A weapon can do the highest numbers possible, but if it doesn’t suit a player’s playstyle it typically won’t be picked up (at least in my case that is). Weapons in this game tend to perform differently depending on personal preference, if you enjoy the GS you’ll typically get the most out of it while if you despise it you won’t bother fine-tuning it. Like I said, Meta isn’t everything and if anything it hurts the game. Sure you know the ‘most effective tactic’ but for players who just want to have fun, we end up being shunned and ‘banned’ from the higher end content simply because we don’t live up to the public’s standards. Meanwhile, even though I may not be using a Meta build I wind up outlasting everyone on my team (<- example btw). Meta just causes self-proclaimed Elitists to look down on everyone else, hence why I hate it and despise its very existence.

But meta isnt about opinion its about verifiable facts. In pve that is about killing bosses, so obviously meta will be what kills said boss the fastest.

And? Like I said, a weapon can do a million damage an auto but if it doesn’t fit my playstyle, or if I don’t like how it feels/functions, then I’m not using it simple as that. I don’t care what the ‘meta’ is, I play my way and have fun doing so. Anyone who wants to look down on me because I’m not ‘up to par’ to them can kiss it and return to their crappy side of the community. Anyone who’s played with me knows I don’t use the ‘meta (gotta use it or you suck)’ builds and still do fine. There’s more to PvE than just killing bosses, there’s achievements as well. Not to mention simply running around with friends goofing around without a care in the world. Only single/narrow-minded people view PvE as ‘Raids/Fractals/Bosses Zone’. There’s a lot of lore you could dig up, play through each Race, help out other people etc etc it’s not just about killing the biggest thing on the map.

Point: Meta does not equal ‘one and only’. Numbers are one thing, mechanics are another. Lets look at the new Test Golem, for example. You can easily get insane DPS on that thing simply because it doesn’t attack back, meaning you’re free to take your time with your rotations or do whatever, in other words you don’t have to worry about dodging anything or implement healing. Against an actual Boss, your DPS drops significantly due to having to dodge, heal, and pay attention to the Boss’s attack pattern. Seasoned players may not have a problem, but those are typically the less than 10% since most of the playerbase is full of casuals (like me) who have a job, social life, and a relationship behind the scenes. As such being online to hone one’s skills isn’t as opportune.

Nothing wrong with anyone wanting to go with the Meta, but don’t use it as an excuse to judge or look down on someone. Those who actually try to challenge the Meta and either change it or make it better, those types of people have far more respect from me than mere followers. I’d much rather take longer to kill a boss and have fun doing so than rush it for some digital rewards.

Against a single target, power Greatsword necro is better than condi necro. Its just that condi necro can do pretty much its full dps whilst not in melee and can gain a dps boost from bouncing epi (if there is more than one target). Greatsword has to stay in melee which can be problematic for certain bosses, like in the Nightmare or Chaos fractals.

Muchacho.2390:

Okami.7049:

Muchacho.2390:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Same reason why others would state it’s trash: opinion. A weapon can do the highest numbers possible, but if it doesn’t suit a player’s playstyle it typically won’t be picked up (at least in my case that is). Weapons in this game tend to perform differently depending on personal preference, if you enjoy the GS you’ll typically get the most out of it while if you despise it you won’t bother fine-tuning it. Like I said, Meta isn’t everything and if anything it hurts the game. Sure you know the ‘most effective tactic’ but for players who just want to have fun, we end up being shunned and ‘banned’ from the higher end content simply because we don’t live up to the public’s standards. Meanwhile, even though I may not be using a Meta build I wind up outlasting everyone on my team (<- example btw). Meta just causes self-proclaimed Elitists to look down on everyone else, hence why I hate it and despise its very existence.

But meta isnt about opinion its about verifiable facts. In pve that is about killing bosses, so obviously meta will be what kills said boss the fastest.

Here is the problem with that kind of thinking … what is the difference in success if you can kill the boss the fastest or not? Obviously we have raids with timers, but even there, the fastest doesn’t result in a different kind of success; rewards are not different if you kill within minutes or seconds of a rage timer.

So basically, sure, meta is about killing the fastest, but who says the fastest is equivalent to the most successful? Meta is so irrelevant to 99% of this game. Using as a measure of a professions ‘good’ builds is such a fallacy.

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Okami.7049:

Zenith.7301:

I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Same reason why others would state it’s trash: opinion. A weapon can do the highest numbers possible, but if it doesn’t suit a player’s playstyle it typically won’t be picked up (at least in my case that is). Weapons in this game tend to perform differently depending on personal preference, if you enjoy the GS you’ll typically get the most out of it while if you despise it you won’t bother fine-tuning it. Like I said, Meta isn’t everything and if anything it hurts the game. Sure you know the ‘most effective tactic’ but for players who just want to have fun, we end up being shunned and ‘banned’ from the higher end content simply because we don’t live up to the public’s standards. Meanwhile, even though I may not be using a Meta build I wind up outlasting everyone on my team (<- example btw). Meta just causes self-proclaimed Elitists to look down on everyone else, hence why I hate it and despise its very existence.

But meta isnt about opinion its about verifiable facts. In pve that is about killing bosses, so obviously meta will be what kills said boss the fastest.

Here is the problem with that kind of thinking … what is the difference in success if you can kill the boss the fastest or not? Obviously we have raids with timers, but even there, the fastest doesn’t result in a different kind of success; rewards are not different if you kill within minutes or seconds of a rage timer.

So basically, sure, meta is about killing the fastest, but who says the fastest is equivalent to the most successful? Meta is so irrelevant to 99% of this game. Using as a measure of a professions ‘good’ builds is such a fallacy.

It pains me that you still fail to understand why time is of value to people because it is a finite resource that competes with other activities.

I’m not failing that at all. I’m not even sure how you can justify such a statement. I don’t doubt that people value their time, but they also value other things beyond that or maybe even more than that. That’s where you fail to understand.

That’s not really my point anyways. People always say the point about PVE is about getting gold or killing bosses or doing this content or that …. that all misses the mark so badly. The point of PVE is to do things that are of value to you and if someone doesn’t value their time (not a completely unreasonable thing given that we are spending it playing games …), justifying meta to that kind of person is quite a laughable endeavor.

Basically, having someone tell us what PVE is about to justify the meta and it’s importance to the game, not just players, is a huge joke. If meta was so important that people make it out to be and Anet agreed, this game would be alot different than it is.

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I’s rather they fix the garbage weapons we have before they go adding more weapons into the mix.

Look at necromancers, they gave them a greatsword and it is trash.

You CLEARLY have no clue how Reapers work do you? GS is Necro’s current BEST weapon. You’d know that if you actually played the class fully.

lol. best weapon. Meta necro is condi necro. Meta necro in pvp also does not use greatsword.

Greatsword is only their best power weapon in PvE. Which means nothing because power necro in organized PvE is still trash.

You seem to think I care about ‘meta’, which is trash in and of itself. Ruins the entire point of the RPG part of MMORPG. Everyone’s the same build, no one’s unique just copy-pasting from others because too many people can’t build/think for themselves. Power Necro is still better than Power Rev, coming from my playtime with the Rev atm which is proving Rev needs a buff/fix way more than Necro.

Also: PvP and WvW mean nothing to me. Not getting into that topic again, but again another ‘mode’ I utterly despise. So, again: GS is currently Necro’s best weapon. Condi Necros rely on (obviously) Condis, they do damage over time which isn’t hard to deal with (even on my Rev). Remove Condis or get up in a Necro’s face and they’re screwed. Power Reapers can at least hold their own better in a fight. And no, not once did I say one was better than the other (before people skin their kitten).

Fun fact: ‘Meta’ is never absolute, it changes thanks to those of us who experiment and find ways to do better than before. If everyone was a Meta-follower, the Meta wouldn’t change cuz no one would WANT to change it. GS, when Traited right, is the best weapon currently for Necros. Come at me with a staff, I’ll pull you into Nightfall. Get up in my face, Chilling Nova and Sigil of Fire will destroy your kitten before GS 3 is finished going off. Gravedigger is the only real pointless skill to GS thanks to its windup (easy to be forced out of it mid-swing, forcing it on CD). Below 50% HP obviously it’s the one you want to spam but at the same time spamming it isn’t optimal (before people start whining about the DPS spike).

Well if you dont care about meta why would you even care if GS is the best weapon or not?

I mean by definition of meta (Most Effective Tactic Available), GS is the best weapon if and only if it is meta.

Same reason why others would state it’s trash: opinion. A weapon can do the highest numbers possible, but if it doesn’t suit a player’s playstyle it typically won’t be picked up (at least in my case that is). Weapons in this game tend to perform differently depending on personal preference, if you enjoy the GS you’ll typically get the most out of it while if you despise it you won’t bother fine-tuning it. Like I said, Meta isn’t everything and if anything it hurts the game. Sure you know the ‘most effective tactic’ but for players who just want to have fun, we end up being shunned and ‘banned’ from the higher end content simply because we don’t live up to the public’s standards. Meanwhile, even though I may not be using a Meta build I wind up outlasting everyone on my team (<- example btw). Meta just causes self-proclaimed Elitists to look down on everyone else, hence why I hate it and despise its very existence.

But meta isnt about opinion its about verifiable facts. In pve that is about killing bosses, so obviously meta will be what kills said boss the fastest.

Here is the problem with that kind of thinking … what is the difference in success if you can kill the boss the fastest or not? Obviously we have raids with timers, but even there, the fastest doesn’t result in a different kind of success; rewards are not different if you kill within minutes or seconds of a rage timer.

So basically, sure, meta is about killing the fastest, but who says the fastest is equivalent to the most successful? Meta is so irrelevant to 99% of this game. Using as a measure of a professions ‘good’ builds is such a fallacy.

It pains me that you still fail to understand why time is of value to people because it is a finite resource that competes with other activities.

True, but you should also keep in mind that not everyone has an agenda either. If you intend to run multiple things at once, I’d suggest finding a Guild that specializes in that. I’m talking about ‘in general’ here, meaning I go to a Raid to test it out and see what it’s about and can’t even get in because of ‘meta-elitists’.

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Against a single target, power Greatsword necro is better than condi necro. Its just that condi necro can do pretty much its full dps whilst not in melee and can gain a dps boost from bouncing epi (if there is more than one target). Greatsword has to stay in melee which can be problematic for certain bosses, like in the Nightmare or Chaos fractals.

How is it better against a single target? GS does cleave up to 3 targets per swing, and with Sigil of Fire (which I fun) and Chilling Nova that’s even more AoE damage. I thought Dagger was best for single target?

Back on track with the actual thread btw: I feel like Rev should use GS as well. It just makes sense, being a heavy armored class and all. But instead of using it in a traditional melee sense, maybe make it ranged like Hammer?

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True, but you should also keep in mind that not everyone has an agenda either. If you intend to run multiple things at once, I’d suggest finding a Guild that specializes in that. I’m talking about ‘in general’ here, meaning I go to a Raid to test it out and see what it’s about and can’t even get in because of ‘meta-elitists’.

You just told someone to find a guild for shared interests and yet won’t follow your own advise because you can’t accept that those who turn you down have different agendas and interests of their own, which they won’t give up for your sake.

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Okami.7049:

True, but you should also keep in mind that not everyone has an agenda either. If you intend to run multiple things at once, I’d suggest finding a Guild that specializes in that. I’m talking about ‘in general’ here, meaning I go to a Raid to test it out and see what it’s about and can’t even get in because of ‘meta-elitists’.

You just told someone to find a guild for shared interests and yet won’t follow your own advise because you can’t accept that those who turn you down have different agendas and interests of their own, which they won’t give up for your sake.

I said if you have a specific goal in mind then looking for pubs to run with is both a waste of time and redundant. Pubs have no specific goals most of the time they just want to do whatever. Guilds are organized and typically are run by experienced players. So no, I shouldn’t have to join a Guild just to do a random raid run where I don’t give a crow whether we win or lose. Those who have an agenda, as I said, where you’re trying to complete multiple ‘end game’ content quickly shouldn’t be wading in pubs to begin with. Also, how is one supposed to experience a Raid (for example) if they’re not allowed in simply because of their Profession, not even talking about their build. Guilds can be just as stuck up as ‘pros’, so good luck finding a Guild that runs Raids that’s willing to take someone who only plays Necro (like me). And no, I shouldn’t have to play other classes to get into a guild/Raid, I should be able to play my way and be fine. It’s the wannabe elitists who discriminate based on classes, as if they own Raids or whatever. And yes I’ve tried looking for a Guild multiple times, no one will take me because I play Power Reaper and only Power Reaper. So screw it, I’ll go with pubs – oh wait can’t because they’re ran by a dictatorship.

I’d rather want Rev too have a semi ranged greatsword rather than a full ranged or melee gs. Maybe a mix out of Mesmer Gs and Reaper Gs. Dont think it would be a good idea to make a Gs condi based tho, if anything they should probably fix Mace and Mallyx instead of introducing something new.

People are too fussed about wanting to fix the rev’s overall kit. Having GS is the last thing fans of the class would wish for to be honest. I’m pretty sure anet couldn’t care less about what one player wants.

“Pls give rev gs because i relly liek it and it iz mi favorite weapun” isn’t going to convince anyone dude.