Guild Wars 2

WHY DID YOU DO THIS? Now our cleaves hit three targets MAX. Do you know how badly this hurts melee players? This is terrible! Please revert this. PLEASE. Blanket nerfs ARE NOT the way to go if you have to do this at least put the cap at 5. I am so disappointed with however came up with this idea.

Um. What attack were you using before that cleaved more than three targets?

Skills on cooldown can often cleave up to 5, but auto-attacks on cleaving weapons have always only hit three.

Since melee auto attacks cleave, ranged auto attacks should pierce. I mean, fair’s fair, right?

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Um. What attack were you using before that cleaved more than three targets?

Skills on cooldown can often cleave up to 5, but auto-attacks on cleaving weapons have always only hit three.

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Um. What attack were you using before that cleaved more than three targets?

Skills on cooldown can often cleave up to 5, but auto-attacks on cleaving weapons have always only hit three.

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

The max AOE targets for every skill in the game is 5. Nothing in the game that isn’t a siege weapon hits more than 5 targets.

darkace.8925:

Since melee auto attacks cleave, ranged auto attacks should pierce. I mean, fair’s fair, right?

Some do, like Engineer Rifle.

Of course, not all melee auto attacks cleave. Thief and Necromancer Dagger say hello.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

How long have you been out of the game? The 3/5 target cap for melee cleaving has been around for as long as I can remember, and I jumped in on launch weekend. I believe AoE skills did get nerfed down to 5 targets at some point mainly due to WvW concerns, but I don’t think melee abilities were ever that high.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

darkace.8925:

Since melee auto attacks cleave, ranged auto attacks should pierce. I mean, fair’s fair, right?

Some do, like Engineer Rifle.

Of course, not all melee auto attacks cleave. Thief and Necromancer Dagger say hello.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

How long have you been out of the game? The 3/5 target cap for melee cleaving has been around for as long as I can remember, and I jumped in on launch weekend. I believe AoE skills did get nerfed down to 5 targets at some point mainly due to WvW concerns, but I don’t think melee abilities were ever that high.

NoNoNo I can tell you for A FACT that ive hit much more than five targets with melee cleave. Some melee skills dont cleave (dagger) but most do (like GS auto attacks). It doesnt make any sense to put a cap on it as it just makes trash in pve slower to kill.

I’ll ask again, how long ago was this?

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I started ~1 year ago and max cleave has always been 3 with greatsword.

Purple Miku.7032:

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I started ~1 year ago and max cleave has always been 3 with greatsword.

really because I have seen at min 5 numbers come up at once (this forum filter is super sensitive) auto attacks have always been unlimited.

You’re just dead wrong. Cleave has always been three targets per hit. Your over dramatic post seems unnecessary. Aoe, bouncing attacks, and piercing attacks are all that have ever targeted more than 3.

Play a ranged class. Melee cleave is not underpowered.

It has always had a cap, just not a stated one.

Tman.6349:

You’re just dead wrong. Cleave has always been three targets per hit. Your over dramatic post seems unnecessary. Aoe, bouncing attacks, and piercing attacks are all that have ever targeted more than 3.

Aoes target 5, it says so in the skill discripts. Autos have always hit more than 3. I may be wrong about the unlimited but they at least have hit 5. Many of my guildes have been noticing DPS losses in trashing killing because of this nerf.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Tman.6349:

You’re just dead wrong. Cleave has always been three targets per hit. Your over dramatic post seems unnecessary. Aoe, bouncing attacks, and piercing attacks are all that have ever targeted more than 3.

Aoes target 5, it says so in the skill discripts. Autos have always hit more than 3. I may be wrong about the unlimited but they at least have hit 5. Many of my guildes have been noticing DPS losses in trashing killing because of this nerf.

“Cleave is an area of effect property that most melee attacks have allowing them to hit up to three nearby enemies in front of the attacker.”

No, cleave has always been three.

UnitedChaos.8364:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Tman.6349:

You’re just dead wrong. Cleave has always been three targets per hit. Your over dramatic post seems unnecessary. Aoe, bouncing attacks, and piercing attacks are all that have ever targeted more than 3.

Aoes target 5, it says so in the skill discripts. Autos have always hit more than 3. I may be wrong about the unlimited but they at least have hit 5. Many of my guildes have been noticing DPS losses in trashing killing because of this nerf.

“Cleave is an area of effect property that most melee attacks have allowing them to hit up to three nearby enemies in front of the attacker.”

No, cleave has always been three.

Then I have no clue how I have been able to hit so many things with Dagger auto on me ele.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Then I have no clue how I have been able to hit so many things with Dagger auto on me ele.

Do you have a damage proc sigil on your weapon that might be causing the extra numbers you are seeing on screen ?

Ashen.2907:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Then I have no clue how I have been able to hit so many things with Dagger auto on me ele.

Do you have a damage proc sigil on your weapon that might be causing the extra numbers you are seeing on screen ?

nope just night or force

I think you were just mistaken.

well, ele dagger auto is special
air attacks twice per actual attack
fire is 3 projectiles
water bounces back after max range, earth does cleave at all

With 100b for example you hit 8 times. If you have 4 enemies in front of you, you might hit 1-3 for the first hit, 2-4 with the 2nd hit, and as such it will seem like you hit all 4. But each hit only hit a max of 3.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Um. What attack were you using before that cleaved more than three targets?

Skills on cooldown can often cleave up to 5, but auto-attacks on cleaving weapons have always only hit three.

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

The max AOE targets for every skill in the game is 5. Nothing in the game that isn’t a siege weapon hits more than 5 targets.

Please do more studying… I know AoEs that hit 10 targets, not siege weapon related.

Otaur.9268:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Um. What attack were you using before that cleaved more than three targets?

Skills on cooldown can often cleave up to 5, but auto-attacks on cleaving weapons have always only hit three.

melee skills (i.e 100b , autoattack) were unlimited on how many they could hit.

The max AOE targets for every skill in the game is 5. Nothing in the game that isn’t a siege weapon hits more than 5 targets.

Please do more studying… I know AoEs that hit 10 targets, not siege weapon related.

I know Warrior warhorn 4 hit 10 allies, I don’t know about attacking skills though.
Staff ele used to be so boss back in Beta without the Target cap :P.

Trice.4598:

Staff ele used to be so boss back in Beta without the Target cap :P.

World vs World is why we can’t have nice things.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

UnitedChaos.8364:

“Cleave is an area of effect property that most melee attacks have allowing them to hit up to three nearby enemies in front of the attacker.”

No, cleave has always been three.

Then I have no clue how I have been able to hit so many things with Dagger auto on me ele.

Dragon’s claw is 3 projectiles that are counted seperately, while vapour blade is a piercing projectile that has a separate target limit on going out and returning. Neither of them cleaves. Lightning whip on the other hand is a cleave and was always limited to 3 targets per attack (but as mentioned above, normal attack animation covers two strikes, so it’s 3 targets x 2).
Remember, not all melee weapon autoattacks are cleaves – or even melee attacks at all. And sometimes one use of a skill does not equate to a single attack.