Guild Wars 2

There are some things I’d like to bring up now that I got my “main” to 19.
The gw2 combat system has been praised to be unique, dynamic, something never seen before, able of healing cancer and curing the blind etc., etc.

I can’t really see that.
So far all I’ve been doing on this warrior is using a 1h sword + horn.
I hit one key once, and the mobs dies. Not in one hit ofc, but over 10-20 sec.

Wow comparison alert: close your eyes gw2 fanboys!

If they made a wow warrior perform cleave, rend and autoattack all 3in1, so that the player would need only to target mobs with the cam view, everyone would call that system idiotic simple botting, providing no challenge and requiring no skills.

Let’s see what my gw2 warrior does.
I press 1 key® to target mobs infront of me, autoattack starts, and every time my sword swings, all mobs are hit (cleave) and start to bleed (rend).
All on a automatic rotation. And everyone calls this system awesome, unique, rewarding and requiring skills. Ironic?

But… but… you can roll…!

Yes I can. You want to know what that is? Wow did it, they called it CC.
Whenever a mob performed some special move on you, something big and bad,
or was about to do so, you were given a lot of choices to interupt them.
Either stun, silence, fear, blind, etc.

Gw2 has changed most of these combat mechanics into instant moves that can’t be prevented. Ettin stuns, basilik firebreath, all instant big moves that need to be avoided by rolling out of the way, and the skills to do that is simply getting hit by those moves enough times so that you learn the mob animation, and are able of predicting incoming special moves.

Granted, it is a more dynamic system, but still a reaction aspect to avoid harm,
that can be also found in wow, in another form however.

I’m not ranting about gw2 vs wow.
I’m just against it when people call a system “one button smashing (for idiots)”,
when that system allows me to select way more skills, and use them on a lower CD, in a order that fits the situation at hand the best.

And then they say this other combat system is da bomb when it literally is 1 step away from turning you into a fully automated bot.
All you need is a feature to enable autoattack on any and every skill you have.
Who spams their main attack? Nobody. Everyone has it on auto. Why?
Because it’s not challenging or rewarding to spam a skill every 0.3 seconds.
Why didn’t gw2 make it auto by default? Beats me.

Btw; wow has autoattack, is just didn’t give it a pseudo-freedom-of-choice frame option like gw2. Wow pets have that.
Right click a skill to toggle auto on/off and it will trigger whenever that skill is not on cd. Simple, logical, good design.

Back to my gw2 warrior…

So all I do is hit R to kill mobs/start a fight. Rarely have to dodge anything either. Self healing sigils and runes or what you call them take care that I never die.
When I got enough adrenaline I hit shift+r (F1 skill) and get a tiny dmg bonus. As if it would matter. Savage leap and the sprint buff on my horn are just to speed me up since walking is so slow. So much for the hyped complexity and much required skills.

I don’t even have rage or fury to burn, the way I want to. Wow and D3 have it, for a lot of skills. My warr is almost 20 and he’s got still only 1 special move for using adrenaline, and when I do, it burns it all up in one go? And I can’t even move while doing that. Seriously?

I have to admit, I am far from impressed.
Would someone mind explaining me what it is that I’m supposed to look forward to?
Is anything bad I said so far about the gw2 system going to change for the better, and at what level, and how? Only by taking certain professions?

And really: this isn’t a flaming trolling rant. I’m just comparing 2 systems.
Doesn’t mean jack who made one or the other, if it’s Apple or Samsung.
It’s about principles, so let’s all take our fanboy hats off.

I stopped at the “cleave” comparison.

If you prefer a system where your sword can go through 5 ennemis, but only damage 1 only because you have a single target, good for you. I personnaly find the system more logical.

And I don’t see how adding a bleed makes it “botting”…

And your post just look like another “WoW is better !!!!!”. Well, okay. You can go back to WoW.

Seriously? Level 19?

With hardly any abilities to consider using or countering, and you think that’s the point to judge the combat?

Level past the easy-mode, tutorial levels, then make a new post.

Just try another class. I have a warrior, and comparing them to how I play, say my thief, it’s a world of difference. Movement is very key to many classes. I played WoW for years and this combat is a million times better.

As for burning your adrenaline, well, there are traits that favor storing it or burning it and there are utility skills that use it as well, including your generic heal.

Your lvl 19 and IMO you don’t really know the full extent of combat at that lvl as your main. Wait till you’re 30, go into AC and get rolled till all your gear is broken, then tell me how the mechanics are the same as WoW’s tank and spank.

Combat early on is very easy. Wait till you get to harder zones and dungeons present a whole new challenge to coordinating combat.

Best fight I had recently – myself and a Thief trying to steal sugar pumpkin from a Troll camp, several Trolls 2 levels higher than us and a Veteran Troll. We kited, rolled, covered each other, in a very dynamic combat while collecting pumpkins, was a fantastic fight

Nice to see two instant replies, both not having read half my post but yet telling me to buzz off, without even trying to make a argument about any valid points that I’ve presented. Great.

I thought the same as you when I was level 19 in the beta. Trust me, it gets better.

ElemenZ.5486:

Nice to see two instant replies, both not having read half my post but yet telling me to buzz off, without even trying to make a argument about any valid points that I’ve presented. Great.

Well, when you start judging a game when you’re only level 19 on 80, I don’t see why I would try to make an argument.

You know why ? Because you don’t try to make any argument yourself.

At level 19, you barely have any of the skills unlocked and you aren’t fighting some of the really difficult opponents. Start running dungeons, that’ll change your mind.

ElemenZ.5486:

Nice to see two instant replies, both not having read half my post but yet telling me to buzz off, without even trying to make a argument about any valid points that I’ve presented. Great.

Complaints like "my sword hits too many people " or “I don’t have adrenaline”?

You call these valid? They aren’t even necessarily bad things.

If you want a proper discussion then your post needs much less opinion and much more substantiated facts.

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And we didn’t tell you to “buzz off”, we pointed out that at level 19 out of 80 your experience is very much incomplete.

Well stabbing and slashing something with sharp metallic objects usually leads to bleeding… so its only natural to include it on the same action. That is all i am going to say.

I can see where you’re coming from, but you’re only level 19. Combat gets more interesting when you have all your slots unlocked and a few traits unlocked. Combat in GW2 is fun because you can customize how you fight.

You have to find out what makes combat flow for you. Personally on my warrior, I use a sword+horn and a rifle. Even though my rifle is my “off set” there are lots of times I use it more often than me sword in an encounter. Since it bleeds, it’s nice to open with it, use the most damaging abilities, switch to sword and close the gap with the leap and keep stacking bleeds. Combined with the traits that give +bleeding duration and +damage to bleeding mobs, it’s very effective.

You don’t have much to play around with at 19 but it does get better. That being said, if you’re bored you might want to try a different class. I had to do that until I started this warrior, and some of the combat I’ve experienced in this game has been miles above anything wow had to offer in the ~7 years I’ve been playing it.

I see where your coming from, I disagree with you on the Warrior complaints though. Having to over dodge not be able to tank on a warrior would eliminate the resaon for having them.

I am enjoying my melee weapons. To do so effectively I need to be able to tank some damage. Plus when I play with other people, I want to be able to hold aggro so they can nuke them. Its synergy.

You only get too dodges and there are times when you need them to get away from red circles. In a boss fight you would be absolutely useless if you couldn’t take a few hits up close because you are probably going to take most of the damage.

I can cycle in with my hammer and do some damage, get out of there and switch to my rifle to do damage while I regen. Then run in for more! I remeber in the betas when melee weapons were basically useless. You couldn’t tajke the hits to stay in range.

Level 19 =/= Accurate representation of the combat system.

No, seriously in WoW that you love comparing it to, I could kill mobs at level 19 with spamming fireball. The first few levels are to ease you into it. Hit 30 and try to auto-attack mobs in the field and dungeons, I can tell you, you will want to dodge.

so what you want is a massive list of skills that chances are you’re not going to use any of them like in wow where you would rush and bash a target, auto basic attack a couple of times build up rage and unleash the other 2 – 3 attacks on your hot key?

the whole idea of guildwars 2 is minimzing the UI into using skills that are usefull and having 2 weapons preferably range and melee for a total of 10 weapon skills that no doubt you would use.

Melee’s first attack is rotational, range first attacks are just that.

if you have a problem with auto attacking, just turn off auto attack so you spam 1 instead to attack.

So people are saying that at level 19, you don’t have enough skills to be able to judge yet? Lemme see if that would be true… You have 14 skill points from leveling and probably at least 10 from skill point quests. If you’re like me and blow through each race’s starter area getting all of the skill points once you hit 15, you might have substantially more, up to about 40 (7×5 + a few from the 15-25 area). So between 24 and 54 skill points.

5 first tier skills is 5 points, 5 second tier skills is 15 points, and each skill is 6 from the third tier. If you only got like 10 extra points, you wouldn’t have enough to get any third tier utility skills. But if you got more, you could possibly have three or four third tier skills.

Going by the five characters I’ve made and the amount of skills they took, there’s a good chance he could already have all of the skills he wants by level 19. I usually do. It all depends on how much work he put into keeping up with skill point quests – something that isn’t reflected directly in his level. I’m ignoring elite skills, but it’s not like those completely change your gameplay anyway. And traits are nice, but they’re not exactly game-changing either.

My highest character is like 52, but personally I haven’t noticed a huge difference in combat between 20 and 50. I’m skeptical that it’ll dramatically change between 50 and 80.

OP…first of all, please read your first 3 sentences. Does that come off as someone wanting a civil and constructive conversation? Imo, it REALLY doesn’t…

However, I would ask you to try a dungeon out first to really understand why the combat system has received much praise as well as much criticism. IMO, it’s close to being balanced (not quite there on some classes/builds), but the only problem with it is a lack of proportional risk vs. reward system.

Outside of that, I quite like the combat on my warrior, ranger, mesmer, and guardian.

So I logged in to WoW today to try the Theramore Scenario. I haven’t played WoW in months mind you, just stuck on that annual pass I suckered myself into, that’s another story however. Anyway, I kept trying to cast while moving and double tapping to dodge and I was having a hard time actually fighting in WoW. I also kept trying to find my heal and as a mage realizing I don’t have one, lol. It was very jarring. I would take GW2 combat any day over WoWs. If I could, I would combine GW2 systems with WoW if anything for a more seamless world experience and better dungeons and endgame. But I would also want to see Vistas, and heart quests and map completion. Perhaps we could just take WoW stuff and put it in GW2, like the classes, storyline, seamless open world feel, open world pvp, dungeons galore that are a blast to play. They can keep the 20 and higher raids, but I do enjoy 10 mans. anyway, just dreamin….

Your 1 button and things just die arguement reminded me of a little convo I had back in my wow raiding days with a hunter friend of mine.

Me “wow you are always doing amazing dps, how do you do it?”

Hunter “I dunno I just got this macro off a hunter forum, it has all my spells in rotation I just sit there hitting 1 button”

Warriors actually using rend?
What the hell did blizzard do to the WoW i used to play?

a) allready mentioned a lot, you are level 19 and have no idea what lies ahead of you
b) if you think it´s too easy for you, go out and seek greater challenges that are in game. But I am pretty sure you are the type of player who will then moan the game is too hard without trinity style tanking.

Warrior’s have access to the largest selection of weapons. If you’re only using one set, you’re not taking advantage of one of our classes biggest strengths.

Try what I did: Everytime you need to upgrade your weapons, use a different setup. I went through every single weapon combo until I found what worked and was fun for me. In the end, I found Axe/Mace dual-wield and Longbow was a lot of fun and I’ve stuck with it and have had much success.

Also, you are only level 19. You don’t really gain access to most of your tools until you hit level 30, even then there’s quite a ways to go.

If you’re having an issue with combat not being very dynamic, try speccing at least 15 points into Discipline for Fast Hands. Weapon swapping often gives you access to more tools and makes combat a lot more engaging.