Guild Wars 2

I would like to suggest rewards for Representing a Guild, for the player and the guild

Something like

*If you represent one week without changing or stand down..etc

the player gains 1 guild commendation
the guild earns 50 favor

in this way you can reward the loyalty for both

But why the need for loyalty? This is similar to guilds who demand 100% rep even though it doesn’t buy guilds anything anymore.

So uh… what’s the difference between this and actually doing guild missions when representing the guild and getting all the boons from upgraded guild halls?

Dawdler.8521:

So uh… what’s the difference between this and actually doing guild missions when representing the guild and getting all the boons from upgraded guild halls?

forced dependency on other people and their schedule.

With this people and guilds are punished if the player reps his personal guild for a couple of minutes to put things in the inventory or if he has a wvw guild and a pve guild he has to not rep one of them even though he is doing wvw or pve with those guild mates.

Guilds who want to require 100% rep need to give their guild members what they need in order to not want to rep other guilds. Don’t ask the game to do the work for you.

JemL.3501:

I would like to suggest rewards for Representing a Guild, for the player and the guild

Something like

*If you represent one week without changing or stand down..etc

the player gains 1 guild commendation
the guild earns 50 favor

in this way you can reward the loyalty for both

I don’t support this. It would be a return to rewarding passive play rather than active gaming. It would also be difficult to implement:

• Does every character have to represent the guild?
• Are you penalized for having one character check your personal guild bank?
• Are you penalized for doing WvW with a different guild, because your primary doesn’t WvW?
• Does someone who logs on once during the seven days get the same reward as the person who logs on every day? Does the 1x/week person get more than the person who participates in every mission, but accidentally reps another guild once?

Guilds themselves already have plenty of ways to earn currency and individuals also have more than a few.

Accordingly, I think this is a complicated solution is search of a non-existent issue.

Loyalty does not require bribes.

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sophiewhite.3149:

Dawdler.8521:

So uh… what’s the difference between this and actually doing guild missions when representing the guild and getting all the boons from upgraded guild halls?

forced dependency on other people and their schedule.

Except that you can start guild missions any time you want and “forced dependancy on other people” is literally what an MMO is all about.

Whats do you want, remove all gameplay? Maybe Anet should just give us 100g every time we log on. Or a free legendary of choice every time we kill a champion mob. Because clearly its too much work to play the game.

Dawdler.8521:

sophiewhite.3149:

Dawdler.8521:

So uh… what’s the difference between this and actually doing guild missions when representing the guild and getting all the boons from upgraded guild halls?

forced dependency on other people and their schedule.

Except that you can start guild missions any time you want and “forced dependancy on other people” is literally what an MMO is all about.

Whats do you want, remove all gameplay? Maybe Anet should just give us 100g every time we log on. Or a free legendary of choice every time we kill a champion mob. Because clearly its too much work to play the game.

But you need at least a few guild members representing in order to get credit.

For most of the game, I’m not depending on having specific people being on to do a particular event. I can play with anyone to complete content.

This is mainly about the person itself…if he wants to represent one whole week(it was just numbers) a single guild, he could receive atleast 1 extra guild commendation and the guild gains lets say 50 favor or even less, just to say something meanignless

Some of you got scared because thought ‘’no, if something like this is added, my guild leader will force me or kick me if i dont represent’’ or ‘’i have alt guild for stash’’ etc

That is something totally out of the line, because here we are talking about all those, the many which represent the 100% of time ONE single guild because they are loyal, they want, they can, they decide to be like that and even like that they sometimes lose events because the schedule, even one miserable extra guild commendation (just to say something) it would be very nice…that is for us, not for you

And before you come here and say ‘’you decide to represent 1 always that is your problem, you shouldnt receive anything’’ i tell you again, that is because you arent like us, and you got scared of something bad might happen to you, which wont, and for start with it looks like you dont even care about represent, then that is your problem too, but for us, the others, it would be like very nice

uhhh what

This is mainly about the person itself…if he wants to represent one whole week(it was just numbers) a single guild, he could receive atleast 1 extra guild commendation and the guild gains lets say 50 favor or even less, just to say something meanignless

It may be mainly about the person itself, but it requires ANet to spend dev time and budget money to rework guilds to put this in. And for what? They’ve already said that they made it possible for accounts to have 5 guilds in order to have multiple groups of people to do specific content with. By putting in rewards that require a “lock in rep” for a week to get, they are reversing their policy of rep as you want with the best guild for what you want to do that day. This isn’t something that the community has been asking for and ANet putting it in would be reversal of their guild policies for the last 4 years.

This boils down to some guilds fearing “leechers”. Sorry, that’s going to happen anyway. Players are going to rep, mine the nodes, get the free boosts, leave and unrep.

So it’s up to the guild leadership to make it attractive to stay repped, not find ways to punish those that may unrep for a few hours to rep say a streamer’s guild when you go to content with them on stream. Or a guild that raids but is relaxed enough that they are raiding for “fun” and learning and not for maximum efficiency. Or one that helps those who have never, run dungeons and fractals with out the fear of being pressed to “move on to the next” before they are able to get the reward or worse kicked before reward cause LOL.

You want them to help the guild, make you running of guild missions enjoyable. So it’s up to the attitude of the guild that should make guild members stay repped. Not some carrot beyond what a GH provides while repped.

I think there is room for something, maybe a decoration token for said guild for having longstanding ACTIVE members (not people afk for 3years). I wouldn’t chain it to rep or it would be that non-sense requirement from guilds or kick hurdur.

JemL.3501:

This is mainly about the person itself…if he wants to represent one whole week(it was just numbers) a single guild, he could receive atleast 1 extra guild commendation and the guild gains lets say 50 favor or even less, just to say something meanignless

Some of you got scared because thought ‘’no, if something like this is added, my guild leader will force me or kick me if i dont represent’’ or ‘’i have alt guild for stash’’ etc

That is something totally out of the line, because here we are talking about all those, the many which represent the 100% of time ONE single guild because they are loyal, they want, they can, they decide to be like that and even like that they sometimes lose events because the schedule, even one miserable extra guild commendation (just to say something) it would be very nice…that is for us, not for you

And before you come here and say ‘’you decide to represent 1 always that is your problem, you shouldnt receive anything’’ i tell you again, that is because you arent like us, and you got scared of something bad might happen to you, which wont, and for start with it looks like you dont even care about represent, then that is your problem too, but for us, the others, it would be like very nice

Oh so a player with multiple niche guilds can’t be loyal to those guilds because he reps the other niche guilds when doing content with them?

The player in a WvW guild, a raid guild, and a social guild can’t be loyal because he reps the guild he’s currently actively participating with?!

I don’t see why there’s anything special about someone who chooses to represent only a single guild. That’s like offering a reward to someone for only playing one character. The reward for repping one guild continuously is that … you rep one guild continuously. It’s not any sort of accomplishment that the game needs to pay people to do.

Putting aside philosophical differences, this would also be non-trivial to program. Some of the mechanics are simple, but some aren’t and require widgets that aren’t already in the game. That’s a huge investment relative to the number of people it would benefit.

The rewards is insignificant even if implemented, so it is pointless.

Hm, I think this would actually disincentivise some guilds from doing missions. 1 commendation isn’t much, but 50 favour per member? So, a guild has a 6k favour cap, 120 members repping for a week as per the plans would max out the favour from 0 to 6k. Let’s say that a 400+ member guild already has 3k favour from previously doing guild missions: that would take us to 60 members repping in a week to maintain 6k favour.

I don’t know about other guilds, but I know mine will pop missions on request for members if they can’t make our weekly mission slot and has a poll up currently asking when members would like the second slot should they miss the first or are unable to make the current time.

As for this 100% rep thing, I’ve never been a fan of it. People should rep a guild because they want to, not because they feel forced to. However, that argument’s been done to death many times and my opinion is you can do what you like with your guild and if people don’t like 100% repping, they can join one of the many guilds out there with no rep requirements who understand that niche guilds exist and aren’t some great evil to be competitive with. I certainly don’t believe that everyone should feel compelled to be ‘loyal’ because they get something out of it. This coming from someone who reps one guild 99% of the time.

If you’re having problems with guild members being loyal, talk to them, talk to other guild leaders/officers. Just don’t call for something to be introduced that would damage the way most people run their guilds because of a handful of ‘super’ guilds who demand 100% rep or gtfo.

JemL.3501:

This is mainly about the person itself…if he wants to represent one whole week(it was just numbers) a single guild, he could receive atleast 1 extra guild commendation and the guild gains lets say 50 favor or even less, just to say something meanignless

Some of you got scared because thought ‘’no, if something like this is added, my guild leader will force me or kick me if i dont represent’’ or ‘’i have alt guild for stash’’ etc

That is something totally out of the line, because here we are talking about all those, the many which represent the 100% of time ONE single guild because they are loyal, they want, they can, they decide to be like that and even like that they sometimes lose events because the schedule, even one miserable extra guild commendation (just to say something) it would be very nice…that is for us, not for you

And before you come here and say ‘’you decide to represent 1 always that is your problem, you shouldnt receive anything’’ i tell you again, that is because you arent like us, and you got scared of something bad might happen to you, which wont, and for start with it looks like you dont even care about represent, then that is your problem too, but for us, the others, it would be like very nice

I read your post, can you reward me now?

See how this might apply to the thread? “I repped a guild for a week, reward me!”

Glass is half full or half empty, what you may see as “scared”, we may see as entitled.

This is kinda off topic since OP didn’t mention full rep guilds but other people have been referring it.

I find it really puzzling, if repping guild is so unimportant as others claimed, why are people being salty about guilds having rep requirements, to the point of having to keep announcing so and so? At the end of the day, rep do matters regardless of whatever people say.

SkyShroud.2865:

This is kinda off topic since OP didn’t mention full rep guilds but other people have been referring it.

I find it really puzzling, if repping guild is so unimportant as others claimed, why are people being salty about guilds having rep requirements, to the point of having to keep announcing so and so? At the end of the day, rep do matters regardless of whatever people say.

Well, there the thing that you need to rep a guild to get credit for guild missions. If a guild is PvP only and has a full rep requirement then it makes it difficult to do missions and get credit with a PvE guild. You could ask I’m sure but that means you have to get permission from your guild leader/officers. What if they aren’t on and you rep another guild and get reported by guildies, and get kicked for breaking the rep rules.

It also feels like a matter of… good manners? courtesy? That if you are playing with a group of guildies, you rep that guild during that time. At least it feels like that to me.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

It also feels like a matter of… good manners? courtesy? That if you are playing with a group of guildies, you rep that guild during that time. At least it feels like that to me.

This is the thing. If people really claim repping as not important as it is, then why will this even matters?

SkyShroud.2865:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

It also feels like a matter of… good manners? courtesy? That if you are playing with a group of guildies, you rep that guild during that time. At least it feels like that to me.

This is the thing. If people really claim repping as not important as it is, then why will this even matters?

They are saying it’s not important for a guild to ask for rep because there were reasons in the past for guilds to ask for rep that no longer exist. Not that it’s not important for which guild the individual player reps.

It used to be important because for a long time because if you repped the guild, that guild got influence when you logged on and when you did events. It needed that influence to grow the guild. It also was important because there were no cross guild chat. You had to rep the guild to both speak in and see guild chat, so if people didn’t rep they were cut off from guild chatter and socializing. Now influence no longer exists and there is cross guild chat.

For these 2 reasons people are saying it’s not important for guilds to require rep. However it’s still important to the player to rep for guild missions or for reasons of curtesy when playing together with guildies.

tl:dr
They are saying it’s no longer needed for the guild to require rep, thus not important to the guild. Not that it’s not important to the individual players which guild they rep and when.

Again with the technical reasoning elsewhere you can give a non-technical reasoning when comes to courtesy. Isn’t that a double standard?

When come to individual, people can talk about principles and philosophies but when come to guild, all of those are threw aside, forgetting that guilds are run by people and therefore their principles and philosophies apply.

SkyShroud.2865:

Again with the technical reasoning elsewhere you can give a non-technical reasoning when comes to courtesy. Isn’t that a double standard?

When come to individual, people can talk about principles and philosophies but when come to guild, all of those are threw aside, forgetting that guilds are run by people and therefore their principles and philosophies apply.

Perhaps you can explain what philosophical reasons a PvP only guild would have to require a person to rep when doing role play with his PvE guild? Doesn’t the PvE guild have any rights or claim to the person rep also if it’s so philosophically important?

Some people don’t like the idea that a guild might tell its members how they should play when they aren’t doing stuff with the guild. In a world that values individual freedom, this rubs folks the wrong way.

Speaking for myself, I would never join a guild that ask its members for a mandatory contribution or x% rep; I think it goes against the spirit of the game. I also think it’s nearly always counterproductive to whatever goal the guild hopes to achieve through those policies.

Nevertheless, I agree that it’s up to each guild and its members to decide how they want to run things. If folks agree to belong to a guild that requires 100% rep, then that personal choice should be respected.

All the same, I don’t think there’s much value in arguing with people about this. Those who are adamant that 100% rep is “evil” don’t want to consider the possibility that it’s just a choice about to run a guild, no worse or better than how a guild advertises or who joins. Those who are set on the 100% rep policy aren’t willing to hear that it might not be doing for them what they had hoped.

tl;dr there’s not much to be discussed about 100% rep usually, because people either don’t care all that much or they are fixed on their opinion already.

If you want a 100% loyal guild, you make a 100% loyal guild.

One of the best thing with Gw2 is that you are not forced to many things. I have over 100 guild members and about 20-30 of them represents my guild, but when I say something in guild chat I can speak to most of my guild members that is online even if they do not represent. I don’t even force them to represent when we do guild missions if they don’t have to. Now my guild is pretty inactive becouse of me not having alot of time to play but it worked before.

SkyShroud.2865:

This is kinda off topic since OP didn’t mention full rep guilds but other people have been referring it.

I find it really puzzling, if repping guild is so unimportant as others claimed, why are people being salty about guilds having rep requirements, to the point of having to keep announcing so and so? At the end of the day, rep do matters regardless of whatever people say.

Repping a guild is useful. Having to rep only one guild, therefore, is impinging on the freedom of the player to maximize his potential.

The reason people are complaining is because repping a guild provides benefit. Allowing me only to rep a single guild and no other takes away those benefits.

Why are people bothered about people trying to limit their freedom in a piece of entertainment they paid for?

Because it’s ridiculous for anyone to do that, or even try to in my opinion.

My friends who play cards don’t insist I can’t play cards with anyone else. My friends who play baseball don’t insist I can’t also play soccer. My friends who eat out with us once a month don’t tell me I can’t or shouldn’t eat out with other friends.

Repping guilds is useful. Limiting what I can and can’t rep is more than anyone should be asking, unless they’re paying me of course.

That’s what a job does. It pays you to do stuff you might rather not do. When I log onto a game, no one is going to tell me what to do.

The purpose of repping beyond with guild tag you display was removed for good reasons.
Readding a reason to require repping is just.. urgh.

Definitely don’t want anything to justify rep requirements again.

edit: the reduced WP incentive is nice. It benefits the individual, but doesn’t add incentive for rep requirements. More things like that would be awesome. – most of those got turned into tavern potions though – which easy access to is still decent incentive imo.

I have 3 guilds I rep. My personal guild I rep when utilizing the bank. My main guild which I rep 90%+ of them time. 3rd guild, when I run with them I rep them.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Rep should simply dissapear, with benefits and problems. Let me show all my guilds at the same time, or none.

Ardid.7203:

Rep should simply dissapear, with benefits and problems. Let me show all my guilds at the same time, or none.

No thank you.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

SkyShroud.2865:

Again with the technical reasoning elsewhere you can give a non-technical reasoning when comes to courtesy. Isn’t that a double standard?

When come to individual, people can talk about principles and philosophies but when come to guild, all of those are threw aside, forgetting that guilds are run by people and therefore their principles and philosophies apply.

Perhaps you can explain what philosophical reasons a PvP only guild would have to require a person to rep when doing role play with his PvE guild? Doesn’t the PvE guild have any rights or claim to the person rep also if it’s so philosophically important?

Freedom, which a lot are using to argue about. Individuals have their freedom to choose what guilds to join, the people that runs those guilds have their freedom to decide their expectations for their guilds. Did those guilds take away their freedom to choose? Nope, the people who join decided that is best for them. Just because they (the guilds) are different from the so-called mainstream, do they deserved to be bullied? And yes, those who keep calling out others for not confining to certain way of doing things is really no different from school’s bullies and not only that, behaving in a way thinking it is heroic and right to do so, it is disgusting.

I don’t understand how this went form reward and incentive to rep a guild to this whole freedom thing.

A reward or incentive to rep that has NO gain for the guild being repped would not limit the freedom of the player. The 100% rep isn’t the OPs suggestion the OP is asking for some sort of reward or incentive for repping a guild. As it stands now guilds are for the most part glorified chat channels that you can have 4(I think it’s 4) of.

Maybe have it timed like some weekly/monthly thing rep each guild a certain amount of time to earn a monthly reward that month. Yes it is kind of like buying advertisment space, or representation, but as it stands what are the benefits of reping?

Guild rep rewards, when they existed, felt frustrating.

I think being able to rep one of any five guilds, or none, is nice.

Rep rewards competed with the system of being allowed multiple guilds.

And in my opinion the community feels less toxic now than back when we had them.

SkyShroud.2865:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

SkyShroud.2865:

Again with the technical reasoning elsewhere you can give a non-technical reasoning when comes to courtesy. Isn’t that a double standard?

When come to individual, people can talk about principles and philosophies but when come to guild, all of those are threw aside, forgetting that guilds are run by people and therefore their principles and philosophies apply.

Perhaps you can explain what philosophical reasons a PvP only guild would have to require a person to rep when doing role play with his PvE guild? Doesn’t the PvE guild have any rights or claim to the person rep also if it’s so philosophically important?

Freedom, which a lot are using to argue about. Individuals have their freedom to choose what guilds to join, the people that runs those guilds have their freedom to decide their expectations for their guilds. Did those guilds take away their freedom to choose? Nope, the people who join decided that is best for them. Just because they (the guilds) are different from the so-called mainstream, do they deserved to be bullied? And yes, those who keep calling out others for not confining to certain way of doing things is really no different from school’s bullies and not only that, behaving in a way thinking it is heroic and right to do so, it is disgusting.

No one is bullying guilds that require full rep. They simply don’t want to have this put into the game through extra rewards when the devs explicitly designed the game for people to rep when they pleased. That’s why the game allows you to be a member of up to 5 different guilds, without restrictions on rep.

And yes, those who keep calling out others for not confining to certain way of doing things is really no different from school’s bullies and not only that, behaving in a way thinking it is heroic and right to do so, it is disgusting.

And by the way, that’s an interesting way to think of it. You’re saying that those who don’t want to be confined are bullies for saying so to those that want to confine them. It’s actually the other way around in life. People who want to confine those who want to be free are the bullies.

By accusing others of confining others just because of different school of thoughts, you are confining others, being intolerance of different views (so what happen to freedom of thoughts?), just like bullies with mentality of “if you are not with us, then you are against us.” And like I already mentioned, no one are being forced into certain school of thoughts but people are making it sounds like they are being forced into it. How hypocrite can it be?

Miku.6297:

I don’t understand how this went form reward and incentive to rep a guild to this whole freedom thing.

A reward or incentive to rep that has NO gain for the guild being repped would not limit the freedom of the player. The 100% rep isn’t the OPs suggestion the OP is asking for some sort of reward or incentive for repping a guild. As it stands now guilds are for the most part glorified chat channels that you can have 4(I think it’s 4) of.

Maybe have it timed like some weekly/monthly thing rep each guild a certain amount of time to earn a monthly reward that month. Yes it is kind of like buying advertisment space, or representation, but as it stands what are the benefits of reping?

The thing is I toggle between guilds several times a week depending on what I’m doing or if I need to dump something in my personal guild bank. Having an incentive that requires a full week of repping to earn “punishes” me even though 90+% of the time I’m on my main guild. Of course “punishing” is a poor choice of words but others use that term when the game requires them to participate in something they normally don’t do, see Gift of Battle in WvW.

Behellagh.1468:

The thing is I toggle between guilds several times a week depending on what I’m doing or if I need to dump something in my personal guild bank. Having an incentive that requires a full week of repping to earn “punishes” me even though 90+% of the time I’m on my main guild. Of course “punishing” is a poor choice of words but others use that term when the game requires them to participate in something they normally don’t do, see Gift of Battle in WvW.

I agree! That’s why I stated a time tracker vs having to stay repped to the same thing for an un-interupted amount of time.

Example:
Guild 1: X hours reped
Guild 2: X hours reped
etc

Get a small reward (SMALL) for repping say 1 hour, 5 hour,s and 10 hours a week. if any of your trackers hit 1 hour you get reward 1, if any hit 5 you get reward 2 etc.

The main thing is… As it stands I don’t see the purpose or gain of repping.

SkyShroud.2865:

Freedom, which a lot are using to argue about. Individuals have their freedom to choose what guilds to join, the people that runs those guilds have their freedom to decide their expectations for their guilds. Did those guilds take away their freedom to choose? Nope, the people who join decided that is best for them. Just because they (the guilds) are different from the so-called mainstream, do they deserved to be bullied? And yes, those who keep calling out others for not confining to certain way of doing things is really no different from school’s bullies and not only that, behaving in a way thinking it is heroic and right to do so, it is disgusting.

I’m someone who has repeatedly voiced their dislike of 100% rep guilds but I’ll re-iterate what I said:

As for this 100% rep thing, I’ve never been a fan of it. People should rep a guild because they want to, not because they feel forced to. However, that argument’s been done to death many times and my opinion is you can do what you like with your guild and if people don’t like 100% repping, they can join one of the many guilds out there with no rep requirements who understand that niche guilds exist and aren’t some great evil to be competitive with.

In the light of this particular suggestion, I wanted to voice my opinion that it would be a retrograde move, as others have stated, after rep no longer became rewarding and that requiring 100% rep isn’t the only way to build loyalty – the word ‘loyalty’ being first said by OP. Given that rep is no longer linked to upgrading/running a guild, I find it hard to fathom that ANet would want to go back on that and essentially take us back to stricter/more prevalent rep requirements, let alone give people less incentive to do missions because they could simply max out favour by demanding that a certain percentage of their roster repped instead of them doing activities together as a guild to reward favour. Yes, you could be doing stuff with your guild and earning the favour by doing content together, but you could equally do those thing with pugs or solo for the same reward. The smaller the guild, the harder it would hit them, and they already have guild mission member requirements as an obstacle.