What? Did you think they’d missed one in the process of reducing Crit damage from EVERY source?
Yes, anything with crit dam % now will be converted into ferocity and nerfed, no matter what it is, weapons, armour, runes, skills, traits, karka shells anything…
Its a complete, universal across the game mass nerf. Probably effect 90%+ of players in 1 form or another…
Considering these runes are the most expensive in game, I’m hoping they give them some love in the stats. I just purchased another 7 of them 2 weeks ago. Making it my fourth character using them. Full height Norns, I just can’t play without speed.
This is how they would be today:
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(1): +10 to All Stats; +30 Ferocity
(2): +15% Boon Duration
(3): +10 to All Stats; +30 Ferocity
(4): +10% Condition Duration
(5): +10 to All Stats; +30 Ferocity
(6): +25% Movement Speed
If Ferocity is a stat, then the +10 and the additional +30 would be a total of 120 Ferocity. Taking 10% off would then be 108. Which would be:
(1): +10 to All Stats; +26 Ferocity
(2): +15% Boon Duration
(3): +10 to All Stats; +26 Ferocity
(4): +10% Condition Duration
(5): +10 to All Stats; +26 Ferocity
(6): +25% Movement Speed
To compensate for this, we got +6 to all other stats.
Has a dev stated these runes would be buffed the same as Celestial? Considering these aren’t full “all stat” items like Divinity runes are. Anyway, adding 6% to 10 equals 10.6. Which would make the runes still +10 to all stats
To compensate for this, we got +6 to all other stats.
Has a dev stated these runes would be buffed the same as Celestial? Considering these aren’t full “all stat” items like Divinity runes are. Anyway, adding 6% to 10 equals 10.6. Which would make the runes still +10 to all stats
It’s -2, +2, +6 change for each +10, which results in +6 total, based on the image from RU from Dulfy’s notes. (Runes will be identical in PvP and PvE.)
That is just BAD math. BAD… BAD… BAD… math. How is reducing the damage multiplying stat of the runes by over 60% somehow in the realm of 10%??? Meanwhile the additional 6 points in power, out of a pool of nearly 2000, is mathematically insignificant. It’s not even one stack of blood lust or might. Which anyone can test right now and see how little one stack of either does to increase damage output.
Bad MATH!!!!! Must fix the most expensive runes in game. btw… love how perplexity is still an abomination after patch. GG Devs, GG.
That is just BAD math. BAD… BAD… BAD… math. How is reducing the damage multiplying stat of the runes by over 60% somehow in the realm of 10%??? Meanwhile the additional 6 points in power, out of a pool of nearly 2000, is mathematically insignificant. It’s not even one stack of blood lust or might. Which anyone can test right now and see how little one stack of either does to increase damage output.
They’re talking about overall damage reduction, including base stats and full berserker’s gear. That makes it easy to nerf one stat by 60% and then buff other stats by 20%.
And let’s not forget that to get a 1 bonus second of condi/boon from these runes, you still need a condi of at least 10 seconds and a boon of at least 7 seconds. So yes, the only reason to buy this mostly useless rune is its exclusive passive speed bonus. Which is also the only speed option to classes like mesmer, which has one unreliable non-random source of swiftness on one weapon and no speed signets at all.
Runes of traveler could provide no bonuses at all from tier 1 through 5 and guardians, mesmers, and several builds from other classes would still take them; because a a build with a constant 25% speed boost is completely broken against one without. So if one person takes this bonus everyone has to.
It’s a massive design flaw that these full uptime 25% speed boosts even exist at all, they’re doing serious damage to build diversity as more and more players pick this up and they need to go.
Which is also the only speed option to classes like mesmer, which has one unreliable non-random source of swiftness on one weapon and no speed signets at all.
I have 5 Mesmers and 2 Guardians….. believe me, I know.
It’s a massive design flaw that these full uptime 25% speed boosts even exist at all, they’re doing serious damage to build diversity as more and more players pick this up and they need to go.
It’s not a design flaw, nor does it damage build diversity, when anyone with any profession can pick them up.
you guys are doing it wrong now the meta is Dire gear(mixed with rabid for those who need crits) and perplex runes or if you wanna be even tankier runes or undead if you got no interrupts rune of scavenging ont forget your koi cakes and tuning crystals
mmmm delicious balance gotta love it
its like running full serker with full toughness and vit
To compensate for this, we got +6 +2 to all other stats. Same story as with time-gated celestial, but with 70g-grind-gated rune instead.
To be fair, part of the motive could be because they think the price shows that it’s just too popular and in fact needs a few taps with the nerfbat to even it out.
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Are you serious? Look at that sentence again, and think real hard about it.
Everyone being able to get this is the problem, because now everyone is required to. A build with a 25% speed boost has an enormous advantage against one without, and the only way to get on an even playing field is to do likewise, preventing anyone from choosing any other option. And the build diversity which would come from having those other options is gone. Ipso facto, these are damaging build diversity.
Are you serious? Look at that sentence again, and think real hard about it.
Everyone being able to get this is the problem, because now everyone is required to. A build with a 25% speed boost has an enormous advantage against one without, and the only way to get on an even playing field is to do likewise, preventing anyone from choosing any other option. And the build diversity which would come from having those other options is gone. Ipso facto, these are damaging build diversity.
And….. how many professions have a 25% trait/utility or access to swiftness???
To compensate for this, we got +6 +2 to all other stats. Same story as with time-gated celestial, but with 70g-grind-gated rune instead.
To be fair, part of the motive could be because they think the price shows that it’s just too popular and in fact needs a few taps with the nerfbat to even it out.
If people think that expensive = popular, they’re not entirely right; it doesn’t drop as loot, but enough people need it – and here’s the price. Major sigils of bloodlust drop as loot – and look at their prices, they’re cheap as hell though the difference with Superior is not that big. And the exact reason why enough people need it is that some classes are broken enough not to have access to passive speed and are limited in active speed as well, so other mostly useless stats could even be next to zero and the price wouldn’t drop much anyway.
…. how many professions have a 25% trait/utility or access to swiftness???
Those things are not even remotely the same. One is a permanent, unremovable passive effect, the other is a time limited buff that can be stripped in tons of ways. Permaswiftness is a sacrifice for everyone but engineer and warrior. Two classes that also happen to have passive +25% movement speed traits, but that is beside the point.
I doubt you will ever see a warrior or engi run trav or speed runes, because they have no use for them.
Go check out the newest viable 15 or so mesmer builds for WvW that are not specifically for zerging.
I guarantee you that 99% of them use traveler runes, because there is no other valid option unless you are willing accept the DPS loss from speed runes or run with a group 100% of the time that provides you with permaswiftness.
Thieves and necros can use a signet for OOC move speed, but it’s not as good as the passive +25% which is also on in combat. I don’t know ele, ranger or guardian very well so I’m not sure where they stand on this issue.
Thieves and necros can use a signet for OOC move speed, but it’s not as good as the passive +25% which is also on in combat. I don’t know ele, ranger or guardian very well so I’m not sure where they stand on this issue.
I just checked the 4 signets and several traits and I see no mentioning (“note, trivia, anomaly, bug”) of them getting a speed increase for OoC only.
Full height Norns, I just can’t play without speed.
You should consider Swiftness as a superior alternative then. The only reason you’d need Traveler runes is if you’re a Mesmer or if you plan to drive Golems in WvW all the time. Otherwise there are either traits or perma swiftness uptime that makes up for it.
Thieves and necros can use a signet for OOC move speed, but it’s not as good as the passive +25% which is also on in combat. I don’t know ele, ranger or guardian very well so I’m not sure where they stand on this issue.
I just checked the 4 signets and several traits and I see no mentioning (“note, trivia, anomaly, bug”) of them getting a speed increase for OoC only.
They maintain their bonuses in-combat, yes.
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FEROCITY nerf is a different issue from celestial/wupwup/divinity/traveler change.
It works like that:
First the number is converted to ferocity and thus gets the “crit damage nerf” applied.
Then is reduced again to make the ferocity number even with other stats….for a purely “Mathematical obsession”…..or lore…
This makes balanced sets and runes more affected compared to any offensive one.
They tried to compensate but the compensation is way too short.
TL/DR
Divinity etc will have attack reduced more than any full offensive rune.
P.S. and if you read people saying Crit damage is too high…remember its related to power that is lacking on those sets low power * high crit = low damage
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
…. how many professions have a 25% trait/utility or access to swiftness???
Those things are not even remotely the same. One is a permanent, unremovable passive effect, the other is a time limited buff that can be stripped in tons of ways. Permaswiftness is a sacrifice for everyone but engineer and warrior. Two classes that also happen to have passive +25% movement speed traits, but that is beside the point.
I doubt you will ever see a warrior or engi run trav or speed runes, because they have no use for them.
Go check out the newest viable 15 or so mesmer builds for WvW that are not specifically for zerging.
I guarantee you that 99% of them use traveler runes, because there is no other valid option unless you are willing accept the DPS loss from speed runes or run with a group 100% of the time that provides you with permaswiftness.
Thieves and necros can use a signet for OOC move speed, but it’s not as good as the passive +25% which is also on in combat. I don’t know ele, ranger or guardian very well so I’m not sure where they stand on this issue.
Every class has access to either permanent swiftness while moving or a 25% movespeed bonus except for guardian and mesmer through traits or utilities. Mesmer is the slowest class in the game currently.
A better fix to this is to simply just give all classes a utility which yields movement speed. Is your utility slot worth a massive bonus to damage? If so, run the utility. If not, run travelers. The fact two classes don’t have access to this just makes them totally necessary to get the runes. I know few other people who run traveler runes on classes or builds which have easy-access mobility. It still doesn’t diminish the value of swiftness, either, as it’s strictly better than 25% mobility.
Are you serious? Look at that sentence again, and think real hard about it.
Everyone being able to get this is the problem, because now everyone is required to. A build with a 25% speed boost has an enormous advantage against one without, and the only way to get on an even playing field is to do likewise, preventing anyone from choosing any other option. And the build diversity which would come from having those other options is gone. Ipso facto, these are damaging build diversity.
And….. how many professions have a 25% trait/utility or access to swiftness???
All but two.
And you notice something?
Those two always take runes of the traveler.
Interesting coincidence that.
As for swiftness, its inapplicable. If you don’t have swiftness yourself you can interrupt its cast, boon-strip it, or control/condition your opponent until it wears off, there are game-play responses to it clear to anyone. There is no clear response to the 25% speed boost except having it yourself, even if you are built control they’re still going to have the boost when your control wears off, we can’t all play hammer warriors and daze mesmers. I switched out my perma-swiftness trait on my engineer ages ago in favor of the passive 25% speed boost, in spite of the 8% loss in speed it is superior in every way.
