Guild Wars 2

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

Shinzan.2908:

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

No

Every account gets one waypoint on the starter maps. No extra are added if you boost to 80.

Players get the waypoint right outside of each home city too.

Just checked, yea it does take you straight to the silverwastes though.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Shinzan.2908:

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

No

Every account gets one waypoint on the starter maps. No extra are added if you boost to 80.

Actually the lvl 80 boost DID give a couple extra waypoints if you didnt’ have them already. But it just gives the one starting waypoint in each of those zones, not all of them. That allows the player to jump straight to those lvl 80 zones to play with mobs of their level. For that purpose, it makes sense. It doesn’t give anything for Silverwastes or any of the further places in Orr, you still have to do your own journey to find those places and beyond.

“Waypoints on their character will be unlocked for Gate Hub Plaza (Lion’s Arch), Dry Top Entry (Dry Top), Arundon (Frostgorge Sound), and Fort Trinity (Straits of Devastation) if they haven’t unlocked them previously.”

buried in here about the boost: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016/first#post6102518

khani.4786:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Shinzan.2908:

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

No

Every account gets one waypoint on the starter maps. No extra are added if you boost to 80.

Actually the lvl 80 boost DID give a couple extra waypoints if you didnt’ have them already. But it just gives the one starting waypoint in each of those zones, not all of them. That allows the player to jump straight to those lvl 80 zones to play with mobs of their level. For that purpose, it makes sense. It doesn’t give anything for Silverwastes or any of the further places in Orr, you still have to do your own journey to find those places and beyond.

“Waypoints on their character will be unlocked for Gate Hub Plaza (Lion’s Arch), Dry Top Entry (Dry Top), Arundon (Frostgorge Sound), and Fort Trinity (Straits of Devastation) if they haven’t unlocked them previously.”

buried in here about the boost: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016/first#post6102518

Ok. I never saw that. I don’t think it’s particularly relevant to the discussion of all waypoint unlocks with full map completion bonuses that the op asked for though.

Ayrilana.1396:

Ellieanna.5027:

All I have seen in this thread is “Well I did it (x) times, so everyone can do it.” and comparing map completion (which doesn’t affect anyone else but the player in question) to things that are even TP based. (Wardrobe unlocks, pvp rewards). And if you really want to say that all the mats/items the person could get from doing map completion with free WPs would destroy the market… Do you really think someone who hates map completion this much, and is only doing it for the gift of exploration for legendaries is going to spend the time doing it over and over for mats?

If someone wants access to the WPs after they already did full map completion, let them. It’s not going to harm you in anyway. Is really having any/all of the WPs on a map on a new map completion character really going to change things for you?

Though, I have no idea why all of you are arguing. Anet would never put this in.

So you support Anet adding a permanent consumable that provides 100% movement speed on open world PvE maps? After all, it won’t affect anyone else so why should anyone against it care?

Why not? It’s PvE, and there are WPs. Why do you care so much? Why are you so against it? Would I buy it, doubt it, being unable to work tends to do that. Would I be jealous if someone could run faster? Sure. Would I be salty and rage at Anet? No. I’d play my game.

danielrjones.8759:

Ellieanna.5027:

All I have seen in this thread is “Well I did it (x) times, so everyone can do it.” and comparing map completion (which doesn’t affect anyone else but the player in question) to things that are even TP based. (Wardrobe unlocks, pvp rewards). And if you really want to say that all the mats/items the person could get from doing map completion with free WPs would destroy the market… Do you really think someone who hates map completion this much, and is only doing it for the gift of exploration for legendaries is going to spend the time doing it over and over for mats?

If someone wants access to the WPs after they already did full map completion, let them. It’s not going to harm you in anyway. Is really having any/all of the WPs on a map on a new map completion character really going to change things for you?

Though, I have no idea why all of you are arguing. Anet would never put this in.

So does this mean you support being able to buy pvp skins because I don’t want to pvp anymore. And I have done my share of hours there repeating the same thing over and over. Why is someones wish to have all wp unlocked more important than the desire to have any portion of the game unlocked for others? I haven’t said how many times I’ve done map completion and so far it’s more than double the highest amount posted in this thread. I don’t begrudge anyone who would be able to buy map completion. What I dislike is someone wanting it and the rewards that go with it. No it wont affect me at all if they did this, but then neither would letting me buy pvp skins through gem store affect anyone else.

For the record I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if Anet put this option to buy ones way through the game in the gem store.

Well considering right now there are no exclusive PvP skins (sorry, the PvP legendary Backpack is actually an item, you said skins!). And just so you know. I have all the original PvP skins that were removed from the game. I am completely okay with them coming back so others can get it. I am not a special snowflake. If someone wants to pay money, go for it. It will not affect my game. It’s a skin. And it would support Anet… which we all should want.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

khani.4786:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Shinzan.2908:

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

No

Every account gets one waypoint on the starter maps. No extra are added if you boost to 80.

Actually the lvl 80 boost DID give a couple extra waypoints if you didnt’ have them already. But it just gives the one starting waypoint in each of those zones, not all of them. That allows the player to jump straight to those lvl 80 zones to play with mobs of their level. For that purpose, it makes sense. It doesn’t give anything for Silverwastes or any of the further places in Orr, you still have to do your own journey to find those places and beyond.

“Waypoints on their character will be unlocked for Gate Hub Plaza (Lion’s Arch), Dry Top Entry (Dry Top), Arundon (Frostgorge Sound), and Fort Trinity (Straits of Devastation) if they haven’t unlocked them previously.”

buried in here about the boost: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016/first#post6102518

Ok. I never saw that. I don’t think particularly relevant to the discussion of all waypoint unlocks with full map completion bonuses that the op asked for though.

Agreed. Asking for ALL waypoints in the game to be unlocked is a bit absurd. Asking for a few strategic waypoints to be unlocked with new characters….well they did that already didn’t they? Don’t all new characters get the first waypoint in each starter zone unlocked for free? You’re a brand new character so you get the first waypoint in each zone that is level appropriate for you. There’s no reason a new character would need more than that.

Perhaps as you level you get a single waypoint from another zone. I wouldn’t see the harm in that. i.e. You hit level 25 you get the starting wp in Brisbane. You hit level 60 you get the starting waypoint in Mount Maelstrom. That way as you level the game then points you to another level appropriate area. But nothing so drastic and silly as every wp in the game.

Ellieanna.5027:

danielrjones.8759:

Ellieanna.5027:

All I have seen in this thread is “Well I did it (x) times, so everyone can do it.” and comparing map completion (which doesn’t affect anyone else but the player in question) to things that are even TP based. (Wardrobe unlocks, pvp rewards). And if you really want to say that all the mats/items the person could get from doing map completion with free WPs would destroy the market… Do you really think someone who hates map completion this much, and is only doing it for the gift of exploration for legendaries is going to spend the time doing it over and over for mats?

If someone wants access to the WPs after they already did full map completion, let them. It’s not going to harm you in anyway. Is really having any/all of the WPs on a map on a new map completion character really going to change things for you?

Though, I have no idea why all of you are arguing. Anet would never put this in.

So does this mean you support being able to buy pvp skins because I don’t want to pvp anymore. And I have done my share of hours there repeating the same thing over and over. Why is someones wish to have all wp unlocked more important than the desire to have any portion of the game unlocked for others? I haven’t said how many times I’ve done map completion and so far it’s more than double the highest amount posted in this thread. I don’t begrudge anyone who would be able to buy map completion. What I dislike is someone wanting it and the rewards that go with it. No it wont affect me at all if they did this, but then neither would letting me buy pvp skins through gem store affect anyone else.

For the record I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if Anet put this option to buy ones way through the game in the gem store.

Well considering right now there are no exclusive PvP skins (sorry, the PvP legendary Backpack is actually an item, you said skins!). And just so you know. I have all the original PvP skins that were removed from the game. I am completely okay with them coming back so others can get it. I am not a special snowflake. If someone wants to pay money, go for it. It will not affect my game. It’s a skin. And it would support Anet… which we all should want.

Yes there are. There is 3 armor weights that you can’t get other than PvP reward track the glorious armor set. Look it up.

khani.4786:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

khani.4786:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Shinzan.2908:

The 80 level boost already activates some waypoints I think, doesn’t it…?

No

Every account gets one waypoint on the starter maps. No extra are added if you boost to 80.

Actually the lvl 80 boost DID give a couple extra waypoints if you didnt’ have them already. But it just gives the one starting waypoint in each of those zones, not all of them. That allows the player to jump straight to those lvl 80 zones to play with mobs of their level. For that purpose, it makes sense. It doesn’t give anything for Silverwastes or any of the further places in Orr, you still have to do your own journey to find those places and beyond.

“Waypoints on their character will be unlocked for Gate Hub Plaza (Lion’s Arch), Dry Top Entry (Dry Top), Arundon (Frostgorge Sound), and Fort Trinity (Straits of Devastation) if they haven’t unlocked them previously.”

buried in here about the boost: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-April-19-2016/first#post6102518

Ok. I never saw that. I don’t think particularly relevant to the discussion of all waypoint unlocks with full map completion bonuses that the op asked for though.

Agreed. Asking for ALL waypoints in the game to be unlocked is a bit absurd. Asking for a few strategic waypoints to be unlocked with new characters….well they did that already didn’t they? Don’t all new characters get the first waypoint in each starter zone unlocked for free? You’re a brand new character so you get the first waypoint in each zone that is level appropriate for you. There’s no reason a new character would need more than that.

Perhaps as you level you get a single waypoint from another zone. I wouldn’t see the harm in that. i.e. You hit level 25 you get the starting wp in Brisbane. You hit level 60 you get the starting waypoint in Mount Maelstrom. That way as you level the game then points you to another level appropriate area. But nothing so drastic and silly as every wp in the game.

Yah, it used to be that you mostly got to the next race’s maps for the first time through Lion’s Arch. When they added f2p, they added these starter area waypoints, but they also removed at least one waypoint from humans (and possibly the other races also). Possibly they added the starter waypoints because f2p accounts are blocked from Lions Arch till level 35 so they needed an easy, obvious way to get around to the other starter maps.

Ellieanna.5027:

Well considering right now there are no exclusive PvP skins (sorry, the PvP legendary Backpack is actually an item, you said skins!).

In my eyes it is a unique skin, just as the Fractal Legendary Backpack is a unique skin. To me this isn’t about being a special snowflake; I’ve done 100% map completion twice in GW2. Not done it more than twice in my 9 months of playing because I simply haven’t wanted to or seen the point given I’m not actively making legendary weapons and have a decent amount of transmutation charges. However, despite not having full map comp on all my characters, the majority of them have most waypoints unlocked from levelling.
In GW1 I did Legendary Cartographer without TexMod on my first attempt (guild leader bet me I couldn’t), used it on my subsequent mapping and didn’t deride those who used it.
To me, map completion has already been simplified in this franchise as has fast travel. Do we really need to make it even easier? If an item to unlock WPs was added for purchase without people getting nerfed/no map completion rewards, you’re looking at pay to win. Can we please not send this game further in that direction a lá Nexon? Just to clarify, I’m fine with the select waypoints unlocked with the Lv 80 boost as they make sense and it’s a one time thing per account.

Jhoul.6923:

They could add something to compensate the work.

Like require ppl to tag every WP in a map without porting in one go to get the unlocking WP part of map completion.

This way ppl that want the same, mindless content of running to every WP will have just that, and others that have unlocked 100% various times can just have fun completing Journeys with their new alts

Is this a middle ground of both sides?

You already have the option to have fun journeys on your new alts.

This request isnt about fun journeys, its about getting rewards without earning them.

That said, you can already unlock all waypoints without running to them, by spending gems. Go for it.

khani.4786:

Perhaps as you level you get a single waypoint from another zone. I wouldn’t see the harm in that. i.e. You hit level 25 you get the starting wp in Brisbane. You hit level 60 you get the starting waypoint in Mount Maelstrom. That way as you level the game then points you to another level appropriate area. But nothing so drastic and silly as every wp in the game.

I’d see nothing wrong with that so long as it doesn’t require too much work to implement. Much better than what was originally being proposed by the OP.

Bellatrixa.3546:

Ellieanna.5027:

Well considering right now there are no exclusive PvP skins (sorry, the PvP legendary Backpack is actually an item, you said skins!).

In my eyes it is a unique skin, just as the Fractal Legendary Backpack is a unique skin. To me this isn’t about being a special snowflake; I’ve done 100% map completion twice in GW2. Not done it more than twice in my 9 months of playing because I simply haven’t wanted to or seen the point given I’m not actively making legendary weapons and have a decent amount of transmutation charges. However, despite not having full map comp on all my characters, the majority of them have most waypoints unlocked from levelling.
In GW1 I did Legendary Cartographer without TexMod on my first attempt (guild leader bet me I couldn’t), used it on my subsequent mapping and didn’t deride those who used it.
To me, map completion has already been simplified in this franchise as has fast travel. Do we really need to make it even easier? If an item to unlock WPs was added for purchase without people getting nerfed/no map completion rewards, you’re looking at pay to win. Can we please not send this game further in that direction a lá Nexon? Just to clarify, I’m fine with the select waypoints unlocked with the Lv 80 boost as they make sense and it’s a one time thing per account.

My thought is that someone who gets these WPs might then even go and run around the map, giving the old maps more action. If Anet decides they want to go this route, I would be against it, and might even start on world completion on more characters again. Every time I think about it, I remember Lornar’s pass and I cry.

And you’re welcome to keep bringing up GW1, but to me, GW1 is a different game, and from a different era. In this era, we have GW2, and this way. You’re almost going the “But when I was young, we had to walk to school in the snow” comments. Why does a different game’s concept have to be brought into GW2. Doesn’t matter if one is the descendant of the other. They are separate games. GW2 is not a DLC of GW1.

Ellieanna.5027:

And you’re welcome to keep bringing up GW1, but to me, GW1 is a different game, and from a different era. In this era, we have GW2, and this way. You’re almost going the “But when I was young, we had to walk to school in the snow” comments. Why does a different game’s concept have to be brought into GW2. Doesn’t matter if one is the descendant of the other. They are separate games. GW2 is not a DLC of GW1.

No kitten, Sherlock! It was brought up to illustrate the point of having done things the hard way myself with others shortcutting before in the franchise seeing as I’ve only been playing the sequel for the last 9 months. So no, this isn’t a case of wanting people to have as much work as I had. The point is that the games are both made by the same developer and this is the sequel of the first, whether you’ve played it or not. I don’t feel as challenged by GW2 as I did with the first game. Some of it was onerous and yes, I prefer this style of map completion. However, I feel a lot of aspects of the game have been ‘dumbed down’, making me feel less challenged. I feel that’s a salient point when I’m saying ‘how much easier do you want map completion to be in GW2 when it’s already incredibly simple and not as time consuming as these guys have made it before?’

I’ve played games with similar ‘shortcuts’ to rewards for cash and it never ends well. I’ve said I’m fine with the Lv 80 boost WP unlocks as they make sense, not that I want them removed as it’s unfair. I’d also be ok with Khaini’s idea which if you really want to stimulate map populations would be a better, fairer and free way to go about it. Straight up buying access to all WPs with gems though? No, I don’t agree with that.

BrotherBelial.3094:

Ellieanna.5027:

danielrjones.8759:

Ellieanna.5027:

All I have seen in this thread is “Well I did it (x) times, so everyone can do it.” and comparing map completion (which doesn’t affect anyone else but the player in question) to things that are even TP based. (Wardrobe unlocks, pvp rewards). And if you really want to say that all the mats/items the person could get from doing map completion with free WPs would destroy the market… Do you really think someone who hates map completion this much, and is only doing it for the gift of exploration for legendaries is going to spend the time doing it over and over for mats?

If someone wants access to the WPs after they already did full map completion, let them. It’s not going to harm you in anyway. Is really having any/all of the WPs on a map on a new map completion character really going to change things for you?

Though, I have no idea why all of you are arguing. Anet would never put this in.

So does this mean you support being able to buy pvp skins because I don’t want to pvp anymore. And I have done my share of hours there repeating the same thing over and over. Why is someones wish to have all wp unlocked more important than the desire to have any portion of the game unlocked for others? I haven’t said how many times I’ve done map completion and so far it’s more than double the highest amount posted in this thread. I don’t begrudge anyone who would be able to buy map completion. What I dislike is someone wanting it and the rewards that go with it. No it wont affect me at all if they did this, but then neither would letting me buy pvp skins through gem store affect anyone else.

For the record I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if Anet put this option to buy ones way through the game in the gem store.

Well considering right now there are no exclusive PvP skins (sorry, the PvP legendary Backpack is actually an item, you said skins!). And just so you know. I have all the original PvP skins that were removed from the game. I am completely okay with them coming back so others can get it. I am not a special snowflake. If someone wants to pay money, go for it. It will not affect my game. It’s a skin. And it would support Anet… which we all should want.

Yes there are. There is 3 armor weights that you can’t get other than PvP reward track the glorious armor set. Look it up.

Was going to point that out. But as said, I did say skins when in fact I also meant items and skins so that’s my mistake.

danielrjones.8759:

TheNecrosanct.4028:

To the people who believe people should get no rewards whatsoever if WP’s are unlocked.
It almost sounds as if people who have done all the work before (several times even, maybe) don’t want others to have a small advantage they didn’t have way back when.

I don’t have a problem with earning rewards for work that is started and finished by a person. If anet could hammer out some kind of deal to make all things equal it would be great, like perhaps 50%-75% rewards. But zero map completion rewards since they wouldn’t have completed the map.

However I can’t get past the fact you support giving an advantage to some over others. That comments just reeks of entitlement.

I don’t support it. If you’ve read all my posts in this thread (I understand if you haven’t, because some threads can turn out to be quite long) you would know I do not support the WP unlocking idea OP stated in his initial post. I’ve done 9 world completions, of which 4 were in the days when WvW was also a part of that. I dislike WvW but still did it. And even with the option to unlock all WP’s, I would not use that option. I personally don’t mind running everywhere, doing content I’ve already done. I mean, the same thing goes for dungeons, world bosses, JP’s, Fractals, etc. I’ve been here since launch and there’s nothing I haven’t yet done in the game (even WvW, that’s why I know I don’t like it).

The only point I made, after agreeing with everyone that this WP unlocking idea is just an idea from a lazy mind, is that doing 75% of content should still deserve some rewards, not none at all. People are still spending time on it, and not just a few minutes either. Saying they don’t deserve anything at all, that reeks of entitlement. I was just trying to be fair and give people at least something for their diminished effort. To give a more obvious example: it’s like saying that someone who joins a dungeon run halfway doesn’t deserve any rewards because he hasn’t killed the first 2 bosses. It’s the same principle. Your advantage here is not having all WP’s unlocked, but finding a group that is already halfway through. Yet no matter at which point you enter the dungeon, you still get the full end reward for it. Nobody seems to have a problem with that. Not that I do, btw. Like I said, just an example.

Ellieanna.5027:

Ayrilana.1396:

Ellieanna.5027:

All I have seen in this thread is “Well I did it (x) times, so everyone can do it.” and comparing map completion (which doesn’t affect anyone else but the player in question) to things that are even TP based. (Wardrobe unlocks, pvp rewards). And if you really want to say that all the mats/items the person could get from doing map completion with free WPs would destroy the market… Do you really think someone who hates map completion this much, and is only doing it for the gift of exploration for legendaries is going to spend the time doing it over and over for mats?

If someone wants access to the WPs after they already did full map completion, let them. It’s not going to harm you in anyway. Is really having any/all of the WPs on a map on a new map completion character really going to change things for you?

Though, I have no idea why all of you are arguing. Anet would never put this in.

So you support Anet adding a permanent consumable that provides 100% movement speed on open world PvE maps? After all, it won’t affect anyone else so why should anyone against it care?

Why not? It’s PvE, and there are WPs. Why do you care so much? Why are you so against it? Would I buy it, doubt it, being unable to work tends to do that. Would I be jealous if someone could run faster? Sure. Would I be salty and rage at Anet? No. I’d play my game.

People do map completion for various reasons:

1. They enjoy it.

2. They want the rewards for it.

3. They want to play with friends on that character.

4. Some combination of the above. Imagine three overlapping circles like a Venn diagram.

Personally, unless you do 100% of map completion yourself, you don’t deserve 100% of the rewards. At minimum 1 gift of exploration should be lost (or it must cost 1 gift of exploration to get to net the loss of 1 gift of exploration), along with a percentage of each map’s rewards. Basically equal to whatever % of the map the WP’s make up.