Guild Wars 2

Hey there,

one of the most annoying things to me in the game right now (well, after Necromancer PvE-Balance), is the fact that you cannot directly trade. I looked up the reason, and apparently it is because “it was abused for scamming so much in GW1”. Ok.

Now, this reason … is not worth anything. Why? Because we have the mailing system. Which actually makes scams WORSE. In a trading-window, you’d see exactly what your partner will give you once you hit OK. With the colour-code and explicit weapon names, they cannot pass a assassin masterwork for a berserker exotic either. Now with the mailing system? One guy gets talked into sending his exotic staff for a promised exotic dagger…and gets nothing. Which is WORSE than the direct trade option.

Now, I hear people say “but how should RandomNoobXYZ know what Exotic UberDagger ABC is worth?” And here comes my suggestion: Just grab the average price of said item from the trading post and display the combined worth of gold in the trading window. Easy, right? If there is a big difference in the worth of trading goods (Like, Colour Black for Master work Feathered Armor) you could perfectly see “Total worth: 30G” on the one trading the colour and “Total worth: <1G” on the one trading the armor-set.

And now i hear “why don’t you just use the Trading Post?” Simple. If I drop a rare or exotic staff but my class doesn’t have access to staff, meanwhile someone in the same group drops a warhorn which i was after for 5 runs, it would REALLY help to just say, ok, here, take that staff and gimme dat horn for it. Instead of hoping to sell the staff and get enough gold to purchase the horn.

I’m sure somebody has suggested showing the value in the trade-window before, but i couldn’t find it. So yeah. Nobody with the ability to read and comprehend numbers should get scammed with this+the already existing colour code and exact names of items. And it would be way more secure/scamproof than people using the mailing system as a means to “trade” items.

And GW had people pulling off scams with the direct trade system they had.

Any direct trade system would be prone to scams.

Trading Post prevents all scams. And is a much needed gold sink.

Shiki.7148:

Now, this reason … is not worth anything. Why? Because we have the mailing system. Which actually makes scams WORSE.

People who trade through the mailing system deserve to be scammed.

The truth is, there is no good reason to implement a direct trading system when we already have the trading post. Direct trading is usually requested by players who want to scam others, or to fool people into buying stuff with higher prices than those available on the TP.

I’m glad this feature is not in the game, and I hope ArenaNet will never implement it.

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If there was a safe and direct method of trading, TP would be made redundant. The TP is there to hedge inflation… that’s how the 15% tax works.

The only real reason why people avoid using the TP and trade through mail is to avoid the 15% tax.

Arena-net won’t add a secure way of trading to dodge the TP taxes. They have even stated that they created the TP instead of player-to-player trading because it is always rife with scamming. Other problems include chat spam with WTS/WTB messages.

Actually can’t you use mail for giving items to people?

You may have somehow missed chat spam as a reason for no P2P-trading. Thankfully, we are saved from another Spamadan.

As for your example…I fail to see why you can’t use the existing mail system to trade your ‘staff’ for their ‘warhorn’. Unless, of course, you do not trust them…which is why the Trading Post exists. It is scam-free.

Good luck.

TP : Get gold / pay gold for Items. Trading: Trade item against item. Completely different things. Thing is, if i drop incompatible loot in a dungeon i do not want to wait 2-3 weeks until i get the kitten thing sold because there is already hundreds in the TP. If some one else dropped something i can actually use, and wants to trade it, duh, out of luck. Because people in this game apparently are stupid enough that they would get scammed with a trading window that exactly lists what they get and what its worth compared to what they want to give away. Right. Must be analphabets, failed math 7 times in a row and lacking any fizzle of brainactivity then…

Shiki.7148:

Thing is, if i drop incompatible loot in a dungeon i do not want to wait 2-3 weeks until i get the kitten thing sold because there is already hundreds in the TP.

So don’t try to sell the item for more than it’s worth, and you will sell it far faster than that.

fun story, I was once running Arah, and a guy in our party wanted to give us anti-undead potions, too bad you can mail less than 3 mails in short intervals ;d

However you look at it, a trade option will afford people more freedom, as they will be able to trade items for items. If they are stupid enough to be scammed, either by mail or by trade they deserve it. And for those who say there will be spam, i guess you haven’t heard of trade chat channels

Shiki.7148:

Thing is, if i drop incompatible loot in a dungeon i do not want to wait 2-3 weeks until i get the kitten thing sold because there is already hundreds in the TP.

Then fill a buy order, and you’ll get your coins instantly.

There will never be direct trading. The Trading Post and its 15% cut out of all transactions is the single best hedge against inflation in the game. Without that, everything in the game would cost far more than it does now, to say nothing about all the spam that would be caused, and the investment of time required by the Arenanet staff to combat both spam (what happens when someone doesn’t use the trade channel) and the scams.

Direct trading will never happen, and people suggesting it are displaying a gross lack of knowledge of how the game economy runs.

KGS.9842:

However you look at it, a trade option will afford people more freedom, as they will be able to trade items for items. If they are stupid enough to be scammed, either by mail or by trade they deserve it. And for those who say there will be spam, i guess you haven’t heard of trade chat channels

You seem to be missing the point. Sure, there were trade chats in GW1, but they were posted in so frequently that it was a problem keeping up with the posts. A lot of people ended up using 3rd party programs/websites to locate sellers or buyers for items. (Sounds familiar, right? There’s an in-game verson of this in GW2. It’s called the TP!)

The biggest benefit of TP is the 15% tax. People don’t like it because they think it means they’re losing out on money. In actual fact, it maintains the purchasing power of gold. Without the listing fee, people could post their item for as much as they’d like and not be limited to the gold in their pockets. It’s an inflation hedge.

I’ll repeat myself here. The primary reason why people currently trade directly/want a safe player-to-player trading system is to avoid the 15% tax. If A-net introduced a player-to-player trading system, the 15% tax would have to apply.