SUGGESTION: how to give incentive for endgame

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Posted by: Erebus.7568

Erebus.7568

SUGGESTION: how to give incentive for endgame content.

So I started up guildwars2 again after a year’s break+- and within the first hour I did nothing but just get the view of the new stuff (which took approximately 30-40min). Then I ran in a circle for 10-20 mins trying to figure out what I wanted to do. It durned on me that there was really nothing to do.

It wasn’t because there was no content to do, or the content was bad.
(ignoring the issue’s that is with some content, because that is not the focus of this thread).
There is plenty of dungeons that could be fun to run.
Lots of living story stuff.
Lots of worldmap event stuff.
Even fractale stuff.
Properly some other stuff not at the top of my head.

Therefore, it is not that there was not anything to do, but that there was absolutely no incentive to do it.

I tried to find incentive to do something.
but frankly the only things I can get is legendary weapons at this point, think there is new armours as well though (got exortic) but it seemed like a crazy hassle just to get into what I need to do to get legendries (assuming armours as well but haven’t checked because I gave up). the extreme grind for gold to buy it, or doing a gameplay of gathering (which is a gamaplay I don’t enjoy) is nothing that I find incentivising and it doesn’t give me a “clear goal path or reason to do stuff”.

When ingame currency becomes the major endgame thing you need, it loses its meaning and it is never an incentive (even less so when ingame currency can be bought with rl cash).

Now I am setting there thinking what could be done to change this? Meaning what incentives could be given to make people have a reason to run dungeons etc?

The first thing that hit me was the rewards:
Endgame is at this point all about legendries and runes; so for rewards I would suggest using these: since they are often so big/expensive that it can’t be single rewards they need to be purchased by currencies.

So which currencies should it be bought with?
Since gold is already a currency allowing you to buy it we will look at other aspects:

With the focus on “let people have FUN while feeling they are working towards WORTHY rewards”
With this in mind I would say that “ALL content should give rewards towards this” but not as an “extra reward” because then it is just a counter as you play rather then a reward system.

Instead, I would suggest a npc trader that allowed you to trade your different currencies for a “Special Reward currency”:
The ratio shouldn’t be a 1:1 ratio, and it shouldn’t be the same ratio for every currency type; each currency type should have it’s own ratio depending on the time to get acquire it.

The currencies that should be tradable into “Special Reward currency” would be:
1: all the dungeon currencies.
2: all the trophies from farming in the fields.
3: all the event special currency drop stuff.
4: fractal currency.
5: pvp currency.
If I missed any do tell ^^
(all of which should be account or character bound, to avoid screwing with the current legendries sold and gained via crafting)

“Special Reward currency”:
should be used to get any rune or legendary item you would like, maybe even some cosmetic stuff.
Essentially it would be your “endgame goals” which would be available here.

In this manner, no matter what you enjoyed to do in the game you would be able to turn the rewards for your playtime into a reward currency you can easily monitor the progression off and which would be a progression towards Worthy rewards that you would like as an endgame player.

It would also mean that if you are a casual, returning player, or simply don’t like to bother researching all the stuff of “where/how/etc” to get what you want, you have a VERY clear and easy to understand goal.
Meaning you log in and go “what would I like to do today” instead of “what do I want to get of rewards, and what how do I get it”.
So you are following the rules of HAVE FUN and Gain Worthy rewards incentivising you to keep doing what you find fun. Instead of the arbitrary hassle, it is to have to follow a specific “recipe” towards an obscure goal.

And of couse one of the most important things about this whole suggestion is: it will have NO direct negative effect on people that prefer getting their stuff with the current system.

So Thoughts? ^^

edit:
another thought is to allow people to upgrade their gear as they go along, but that is for another thread (would give incentive to get different gear tier, instead of going streight for top tier when available)

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Posted by: Devildoc.6721

Devildoc.6721

Giving higher stats on gear would be totally not Guild Wars’ style. If you want gear treadmills you’ll need to find another game.

Really what’s killing motivation to do content is that instead of releasing new armor skins and weapon skins that we can earn via fractals and dungeons, most of the new stuff is in the gem store.

That makes the only reason to run dungeons be for gold to convert to gems to buy gemstore cosmetics.

Anet made the silly decision to let PVP’ers get PVE dungeon skins as rewards (while having exclusive PVP skins that PVE’ers can’t get without doing PVP), which also removes incentive to run dungeons, as people can get skins through PVP reward tracks.

Should have never happened. PVE dungeon skins should be exclusive to that dungeon. PVP should have its own skins.

Zapp – 80 Asura Afromancer

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Posted by: Erebus.7568

Erebus.7568

Giving higher stats on gear would be totally not Guild Wars’ style. If you want gear treadmills you’ll need to find another game.

i am sorry but you didn’t read what i wrote. could you please read it and then answer
i am in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM! suggesting any stats alterations or item changes in any manner ^^

the rest is that you want more cosmetics and options to get these ^^
which i think is also good, although there is lots of ways to get them, you could easily add some cosmetics (as i also suggest) to this system

edit:
maybe you got the gear treadmill from my last edit? where i note that upgrading of gear part ^^
i mean upgrading gear tiers, so you got a good reason to get a lower tier gear and use ressources on it, because when upgrading it you won’t have lost the ressources you will just pay the difference from that tier to the next ^^
that was what i meand with that part
but yes thats another thread and i properly shouldnt have included it, it was just an afterthought hehe

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Posted by: Devildoc.6721

Devildoc.6721

I read it, I was commenting on your edit at the end where you talk about new tiers of gear and upgrading gear.

Zapp – 80 Asura Afromancer

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Posted by: Agemnon.4608

Agemnon.4608

I thought the incentive was looking cool and having optimal stats for WvW? It’s dynamic as you never know what kind of groups or compositions you’ll run into but PvP is much fairer than PvE on average since other players don’t have millions of HP and the ability to two shot anyone.

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Posted by: Zoltar MacRoth.7146

Zoltar MacRoth.7146

it is not that there was not anything to do, but that there was absolutely no incentive to do it. I tried to find incentive to do something. but frankly the only things I can get is…

This reminds me of the debate about why we bother to do anything in life. What incentive do we have to get up in the morning? Ultimately, the answer seems to be that we make our own meaning. We give ourselves purpose. In your case, you can’t find a purpose in this game (other than legendaries) so it seems to you like the game lacks something. I have nothing particular for or against your suggestion but I wonder if you’ll be happy even if it was implemented? Since that’s unlikely, we may never know. And it’s sad that you can’t find enjoyment in this game again. Perhaps you just need to go for a walkabout across Tyria. Just set out in any random direction and keep going. See what happens. You might just find that meaning you’re looking for.