Guild Wars 2

As a member of the GW2 eu community, I agree with this_

Well put Mkkoll, this sums up the thoughts of our 800+ big community.

We have also talked to other similar communities which all shares our concerns, but I won’t speak for them.

I can confirm that this is our statement
And i think we have some pretty good points there and i hope sth will get done so that the growing worldboss communitys like us, TxS, DV, TTS and continue with what we do

As one of the Commanders (not one of the leaders) of the TxS Alliance i support this fully. Especially the proposed timers (both variants are fine). More important than the timer itself is the order of the spawns and this proposal has them in the right order.

@Balzamon, i think you forgot to list Attuned [ATT]

As a member of TTS I totally agree with this.

Noobix.3958:

We would also like to echo the feeling of TxS and their community. We empathize with their own concerns regarding the new spawn schedule and restrictions fully.

As mentioned we (TxS Community) already raised our concerns in that matter. As a community of more than a thousand people we fully support this topic. Our ideas might differ but at the end of the day something has to be done with the current state of things in this or another direction.

After today, I already can tell you that number of people we usually had for Wurm and Tequatl dropped which shows how inconvenient those “prime” times are.

Not to mention, it will take weeks before guilds like ours with no researched upgrades will be even ready to use said consumables. I do not even want to think about asking our members to help us do useless for us guild missions to acquire merits and influence.

As one of the Leaders of the TxS Alliance I fully agree and support your post. I also like the fact that GW2 community likes us all to stand up and express our concern regarding this new patch. This post is very well-written and explained everything that we would like to see change as well. Thank you for writing it and we appreciate your mention of our thread.

As one of the Administrators for GW2Community, I fully and wholehearted support this and hope that ArenaNet take it and the others like it into deep consideration.

As one of the Event Coordinators in GW2Community, I totally support and agree with the issues raised in this thread. This schedule in it’s current form is undeniably restrictive and has a bad influence on communities such as us. Something needs to be done and better sooner than later.

Another +1 from a EU player and big fan of world boss events. These boss fights are awesome! However, having them spawn at the current times will make it almost impossible for most EU communities to organize regular event attempts.

Please reconsider the way the event spawns are handled.

As a EU player I completely support this. Please, ANet, let more players enjoy this wonderful experience!

As an Event Coordinator and commander of GW2Community, I wholeheartedly support this and hope, that we with this raise some awareness to this issue amongst you Guys at A-net. You Guys have made a wonderful game, and it would be such a pity for events such as these to be even harder to attent due to inconvinient spawntimes for the European playerbase!

As one of the Event Coordinators and Commanders in GW2Community, I totally support and agree with the issues raised in this thread. We have put some real time and effort into this thread and discussed the issue to come up with solutions to this problem that at least our community could live with without this being a game breaker for those of us only interested in the big boss content.

The thing is, ANET will not change for a specific group. Sure your proposal fixes issues on your EU players, but that representation is most probably at most, 20% of total players. The think is, the time synchro event should be totally eliminated. There are an extremely large amount of people that play this game at their own free time. It should not be turned into a game where I am forced to play it when ANET wants me to play. And by play, I mean not running around doing unsubstantial events.

lchan.2169:

The thing is, ANET will not change for a specific group.

That is true, but we as a community and any other players have to give anet feedback + ideas how they would like to see it. Then it is anets job to read all the feedback and get it changed in a way that it fits most ppl
SO what we have done here is giving anet feedback whats wrong + some ideas how it could get changed that it would be okey for US.

I am in complete agreement with the OP. I feel the entire scheduling of boss events to be ill advised and in particular the Mega Bosses. The question that has not yet been asked is what do Anet expect will happen with the next Mega Boss to be introduced if it is only available 3 times a day and EU guilds can barely organise for 1 of the attempts. If you thought Bloodtide and Sparkfly were ghost towns on most servers when the events were on shorter timers wait till you introduce a new boss using this schedule.

As one of the Event Coordinators of the community I totally agree with all that has been said, and I do hope you will take this thread into consideration.
That said, the rest of the update is EPIC, so keep up the good work.

Nicely worded response Mkkoll. There are some other issues with the system that should also perhaps be highlighted.

Even before the patch we saw servers and zones being camped for hours just to secure a spot in a likely to succeed zone. With so few spawn spots competition becomes so much greater, thus increasing the wait around doing nothing times even more. Is this a desired and designed effect of the changes?

A disconnect or crash previously meant an annoying but workable 2hr wait for the next one. Now a DC/crash means a catastrophic 8 hour wait. Is this a desired and designed effect of the changes?

I realise the aim was and is for guilds with the unlock to ‘step up’ and trigger the bosses outside of the spawn times, and the gaps were there to allow them to do so however, the following should be considered:
1. Guilds who sponsor an event are going to want to make sure their members who earned the merits and the like get into a zone first.
2. Guilds like TTS and the above are going to want to make sure their members get in also, as having them there increases the chance of success
3. Anyone else is going to need to wait for the few remaining slots
4. This then run contrary to the ‘everyone welcome’ and open communities these guilds are trying to offer. Effectively it requires them to be a lot more selective about who can and cant come…

By far the best solution to this would be to:
1. Remove the merit and reduce the influence cost of the consumable
2. Allow any guild to build the kick a boss off upgrade.
3. Make both the consumable and upgrade influence only.

So, what about guilds like TTS etc who have very little influence generation? There is already a mechanic in place to cater for this and it’s to buy the influence with money.

As mentioned above, the influence cost could then be refunded as a reward for successful completion of the event. As it is my guild can afford and is prepared to sponsor 1 maybe 2 boss events a week but that’s not enough to cater for the needs and expectations of the community.

Basically, the mechanics are too burdensome for guilds to be able to sponsor world events on a regular basis, which in turn will lead to a degradation of the community and less likelihood of new boss content being accepted and played. Basically wasted development time.

I also realise there is a wait and see element to this, but when large communities of players are saying ‘this needs adjusting’ then perhaps it’s time to relook before the damage is done.

I stumbled into GW2community trying to find a group that does wurm regularly. Without this mixture of guilds and individuals I would never have gotten the event done, so I am very grateful to them. I also agree with what the leaders have written.

As one of [DV]‘s officers and commanders on Gandara I completely support every point given here. However, I’d like to point at one more issue, that apparently hasn’t crossed many people’s minds, and could be a potential future problem, if no change is done to the current situation.

I’d first want to mention how amazing work lies behind these World Bosses, as in my opinion, we’re talking about taking raiding-like content up to 150 people. Something that at first seemed impossible to me, yet you managed it. Not only that it’s working now, but it has been nicely balanced from the very beginning, without any actual nerfs done to it, only polishing.
And secondly, the most important thing is what it has done to community. You gave us a chance to try and succeed at gathering hundreds or people working and having fun together. Without ever excluding people, as I believe was the entire idea behind open-world content. And as you can see, so many communities were born from this, so many people brought together. And that in itself, is amazing.

Now what could happen, could be the result of making this content too restrictive. And at the moment, it does seem too restrictive. Firstly, events basically happening once a day (you can’t expect people to gather around 6am, or lunch time). So we’re pretty much ‘forced’ to summon World Bosses ourselves, and that being the second problem, because of fairly high cost of those consumables. They are something you’ll have to be working towards, a lot, and definitely not something you’ll easily waste.
And this could create a really toxic environment.

Let me explain, we’ve always had many players stuck in an overflow. It happens, and it will always happen. Good thing about is was that we’ve been organizing a lot of runs, so everyone could find fitting time for them, and often have a chance to get into those events. And what we’ve never been doing, is excluding anyone. Which means, quite often, members of our guild (organizing events) have been stuck in overflows as well.
Now this will become a whole different story, when we start summoning World Bosses ourselves. Because those players from our guilds stuck in an overflow, will be people who were helping us with influence, guild mission and therefore merits. They helped that guild to be able to earn those consumables and start events.
Those players then, will have a feeling like they’ve earned their place there, which they did, and having them left out will be much bigger problem.
And if we address this, trying to get all people from our guilds in that map, we’ll eventually have to start excluding other players.
And that is something we don’t want to do, we never wanted this content to be so exclusive, and I believe it’d be against everything open-world content idea is about.

This is something that will not be seen happening now, but with time. As I said, these kind of events brought so many people together, created such amazing communities.
And I’d never want to see it falling apart.

I’m coming from a different community but I fully agree with your opinion. Very well written and explained.

As a member of gw2community i agree with the above. With the new timer and consumable the world bosses have become overly restrictive. And once the boss communities do have the consumable it becomes elitist too. No longer will it be the everyone is welcome lets do it together atmosphere. But instead it will become elitist our guild first, and toxic because if it fails people will start blaming others for the failure.

I hope you guys wil reconsider the current schedule. For i enjoyed the banter the joking and acting like a fool. And the feeling of a kill gone right when everyone does their part and the boss goes down.

Even though i am generally against this level of difficulty and coodination required in any Open World events, i agree with many of the points raised here. Expecially with the point DV guild raised about those new changes promoting exclusivity, tension and toxicity in the community.

The main point at the moment (and one that needs to be addressed fast) is the timers. Current ones are really, really bad – 8 hour cooldown coupled with arbitrary spawn times (that might be okay at Anet’s timezone, but are completely out of place in Europe) makes for really unfriendly event. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the previous timers, and no reason to change them.

It also severely cuts down on new players’ ability to learn these events on your own – which means that all the new guilds can simply forget about ever trying to evolve into groups organizing them for others.

Additionally, adding Karka Queen to the elite raid boss roster is a completely WTF move. It doesn’t belong there. Please, disengage it from Schedule and let it be started manually the same as before patch. Especially since there’s a trait unlock tied to that boss (not sure how you missed that one).

Next is the world boss unlock guild upgrade. Lot of people already pointed out why those prices are completely ridiculous. Unless of course your idea was to restrict the big boss slaying guilds (well, any big, sufficiently organized group) access to the event severely. Not sure why – after all introducing those bosses was your idea in the first place. If you really don’t want people doing them, just downgrade them to the normal world boss status. Or remove them from the game altogether.

The last point is the megaserver effect on the organization. Basically, once the zones will move to the MS status, it will result in a more chaotic environment than before. Previously on my server (Gandara) most of the “random” people were players that visited those events consistently, and had not only experience doing them, but (what’s even more important) trusted and listened to the guilds that used to organize the events. This familiarity with the commanders and the core crew (and, of course, the experience of those commanders and core crew) is something that made doing those two events possible. Now, on the MS, this familiarity will be gone. We already know that the grouping mechanism for the zone instances is broken and tends to scatter people from the same servers and guilds around. Not only the “randoms” will not know people organizing the event, but also the organizers will no longer be sure to be grouped together in the same instance. If you add to that the Tower of Babel effect of the EU community after the MS changes, the chances of any meaningful coordinations go down severely. It simply can’t be left at this.
So, either the orgaizing guilds will get more means to actually organize (this may end up causing moe elitist environment, which i’d be sad to see), or the events would need to become easier to compensate. Or perhaps some other solution can be found (though at the moment i can’t imagine what it could possibly be).

In any event, the current changes are strongly detrimental for everyone considering doing those events in the future – not only for the communities that grew up around it, but for any other, not directly connected players as well.

+1
(I am not a part of any large guild. This implementation is only big mistake.)

+1

every one so far in this thread made some good points.

As a trainee commander of TxS I approve of this message. This is the same thing we are trying to get across to the developers.

As a member of the GW2 eu community, I agree with this.

This is not what we meant

If we are only keeping one primetime world boss spawn, we need the spawns to be one hour later not earlier. My suggested timeslot with the wurm at 19:00 CEST was only if we had two primetime spawns per night. One at 19:00 CEST and one at 21:00 CEST

I will edit my post to clarify :P

I support this too.

I’m not a member of any of the coordinated boss guilds/communities but I am an EU player and as soon as the times were announced it was obviously even to me that they were going to be very inconvenient, if not impossible, for anyone in Europe.

If I ever did want to take on the Wurm, Tequatl or the Karka Queen my only option is to do it on a weekend. Week nights are absolutely out of the question with the current timing. And even on a weekend it’s not ideal, certainly not something I could think about doing on a regular basis.

Ghost Nightstalker.7163:

And once the boss communities do have the consumable it becomes elitist too. No longer will it be the everyone is welcome

Exactly! “Get off the map, so the people who paid for this event can get in!”
Couple that with the megaserver %&!# where maps are full of randoms and you have a flaming ball of rage. Le customers will hate on randoms just for being there and some randoms will troll back coz that’s how they roll. Ah, the love! Now kiss.

I fully agree with OP.
@Anet : the easier quick fix before some bigger rework is done is clearly to decrease the cost. Divide by 10 (all costs : influence, merits, time)

Later, if the goal in high prices is to ensure that the bosses will not be triggers by anyone at anytime : add a few requirements. For example :
- minimum 50 guild members in the map
- minimum of 200 guild members to unlock guild world bosses / build consumables

Even later : rework the guild upgrades system. Add building lines (even if they cost 500,000 to unlock), decrease the influence cost of merits-based consumable upgrades, raise the max-per-week merit limit …

Noobix.3958:

This is not what we meant

If we are only keeping one primetime world boss spawn, we need the spawns to be one hour later not earlier. My suggested timeslot with the wurm at 19:00 CEST was only if we had two primetime spawns per night. One at 19:00 CEST and one at 21:00 CEST

I will edit my post to clarify :P

The idea that the whole problem can be solved just by shifting spawn times a little is faulty. In the end it’s the huge cooldowns, massive costs of boss spawn guild update and consumablesand eventually the hope that the event even can be organized in the MS babel environment that are at fault.
Oh, and Karka even being counted as elite boss.

Astralporing.1957:

The idea that the whole problem can be solved just by shifting spawn times a little is faulty. In the end it’s the huge cooldowns, massive costs of boss spawn guild update and consumablesand eventually the hope that the event even can be organized in the MS babel environment that are at fault.
Oh, and Karka even being counted as elite boss.

No it can’t but a mixture of the above suggested solutions by myself or others would be great. Going by the post in the German patch-notes thread, it looked as though they are prepared to shift spawn times which is at least a start. Just a shift the wrong way

Also, I feel that the language barriers created by the MegaServer system will slowly go away as their player sorting algorithms are improved.

Noobix.3958:

Also, I feel that the language barriers created by the MegaServer system will slowly go away as their player sorting algorithms are improved.

As someone explained in one of the other threads, those sorting mechanism can hope to work only in the zones with constant population. If there are sudden population shifts (basically any map with world boss), those mechanisms cannot work, because it is impossible for the code to predict how many people will show up in the next seconds, and how many instances will be spawned. Therefore everyone (regardless of any consideration) will be packed inside the last still not full instance until it fills up, then the next, then the next… (unless someone disconnects from one of the previous ones, but that would be singular cases).

As someone pointed out in another thread – these new times are perfectly matched to china, the new market, new money. We’re the old market they frankly don’t care.

Treebeard The Swift.9620:

As someone pointed out in another thread – these new times are perfectly matched to china, the new market, new money. We’re the old market they frankly don’t care.

What does China have to do with it. They are on separate client with basicaly different game. Please don’t bring your crazy conspiracy theories into this discussion.

Treebeard The Swift.9620:

As someone pointed out in another thread – these new times are perfectly matched to china, the new market, new money. We’re the old market they frankly don’t care.

That is pulling a lot out of thin air.

As a non-EU player who never does PvE, I simply cannot support this

Not really, when a new model is created for sale the old model falls by the wayside. Support for it tones down as resources are shunted into the new higher profit areas. By adjusting times for the new market it makes it easier for future updates to not negatively effect it. In a business such as a shop old customers are valued, in an mmo its new players spending shiny new dollars.

Just stop trolling please and stay on topic.

My guild has the unlock built (benefited from the instant queue finish bug), currently building a consumable. If you need a world event spawned in NA, let me know.

Nothing against, all for. +1

reduce spawn costs or reduce spawn time. 20 merits for one boss is too much

100% Agree with this

As a member of the GW2 eu community, I agree with this.

Well said!! +1 for this!

I agree with more primetime spawn times… if people actually work, it’s nearly impossible to be at some of the current spawn times.

I agree too. GJ