Guild Wars 2

No, no, no, not like this, this needs to be done correctly.

Update 1: Scarlet opens a rift to the Underworld and Fissure of Woe. The player is able to stop her in time before she makes her way inside (~10 minute bossfight). She flees. UW and FoW are added as new permanent dungeons (and don’t contain anything Scarlet whatsoever). Reward for completing either UW or FoW: one Ascended armor box of your choice.

Update 2: Scarlet opens a rift to the Domain of Anguish. The player is able to stop her in time yet again before she makes her way inside (~10 minute bossfight). She flees. DoA is added as a new permanent dungeon (and doesn’t contain anything Scarlet whatsoever). Reward for completing DoA: one Ascended weapon box of your choice.

Update 3: Scarlet is now seriously fed up with things in Tyria and takes the boat to Cantha. The boat sinks and she dies (this happens off-screen, no need to draw this out any further). Extensive celebrations for her timely demise are held in Cantha, where she burns in a pyre in the middle of Kaineng Center for two weeks straight. Kaineng Center is accessible for those two weeks, as a teaser for the actual Cantha expansion release for late 2014/early 2015.

Update 4: Kitten, I don’t know… Something about dragons, maybe? Don’t want it too sound too far-fetched.

I really hope that they will put a stop to LS when the Scarlet thing is over. I don’t mind having an update now and then for dungeons, traits, skills, weapons, armor, balancing etc.

They should focus on what the community wants and not what ArenaNet thinks what is best for the game. The community has been screaming the past few months that the LS is a failure. Most of them don’t even want an expansion at this time because they’re afraid that ArenaNet will fail to deliver good story writing. I don’t blame them to be honest.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

And then there are those that like Scarlet, and really enjoy the Living World updates, especially the release cadence. So, I guess the ‘community’ is divided in what it wants.

Indeed, about 19-to-1 in my estimation .

I dread to think that Scarlet has actually killed the very concept of Living Story – so thoroughly that even other companies are unlikely to take on similar models after seeing the pure seething disgust she has engendered in the players here.

Living Story could be something special, but I have my doubts it’ll get a second chance.

Nike.2631:

Living Story could be something special, but I have my doubts it’ll get a second chance.

It could be something special, but ArenaNet doesn’t know how to handle potention. They have to drasticly change the way they bring the story to the players if they want to make living story a succes.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

And then there are those that like Scarlet, and really enjoy the Living World updates, especially the release cadence. So, I guess the ‘community’ is divided in what it wants.

What? Your favorite part of the living story is the fact that every update is buggy and rushed? How can the release cadence be your favorite thing? A new update every two weeks is a wonderful idea on paper, but anet’s proven time and time again that they can’t handle it.

I personally liked Scarlet. She will be leaving shortly. Your demands are a little stamping foot variety aren’t they?

I haven’t done the LS properly since the last Southsun.. Not because of inactivity but purely because it doesn’t interest me one bit, when I’m forced to do boring content every 2-4 weeks. It started off as a good idea to get people playing, but I for one am not interested in it anymore. There’s nothing to drive me to play the LS. Now that finally sPvP has a gold reward (Thank you Anet, finally!) I guess I can return to something a little more worthwhile.

What I would like to see are patches 1-3 months in the works, to provide us with, well written, enjoyable, and primarily.. permanent content which we can return to. When are we going to fight more dragons? I’m not really counting the world events here, I mean an advance in the Personal Story. It will give us more to do, perhaps with new dungeons/weapons/armor obtainable from said dungeons. I think there’s far too much focus on gemstore equipment. Which is fine…. but can’t we have more things to work towards in-game rather than expect to whip out our wallets because there’s a new set of armor every week?

Not a huge fan of vertical progression, but ascended gear is still something to work towards, casual or hardcore. So I say good job on that too.

Why can’t Anet take their time with updates? It will please both the content locusts and the casuals, and I think it will get people involved a little more, and stay a while longer, if the content is well planned over the course of months and kept relatively permanent. There are so many undiscovered areas on the map. Dominion of Winds, Ring of Fire islands, Crystal Desert. And the possibility of expanding to Cantha (I’d really like to see what Cantha has become under the current Emperor) and Elona (Kick Joko’s behind).

There is so much potential but Anet is wasting it (imho) on small, rushed, temporary content.

No.
She’s good where she is atm.. 4 patches to tidy everything up in a neat little bundle.

You may not of liked a non-generic villain like her but lots of people inc myself do.

And if it was anyone else it would be the same.

HardRider.2980:

No.
She’s good where she is atm.. 4 patches to tidy everything up in a neat little bundle.

You may not of liked a non-generic villain like her but lots of people inc myself do.

And if it was anyone else it would be the same.

I agree, the endless whinging is hilarious.

Veruca Salt syndrome!

One of the biggest issues with the whole Scarlet debacle is that her storyline has been approved from the bottom all the way to the top of Anet. That means Anet not only does not have the ability to write good stories, but that they don’t have the ability to tell when a story is bad.

This does not bode well for whatever succeeds the Scarlet storyline.

Yargesh.4965:

I personally liked Scarlet. She will be leaving shortly. Your demands are a little stamping foot variety aren’t they?

You personally liked her, but if you read a bit more on the forums you will see that people like you are very few.

What I am saying is, right now, players are still willing to say: It was an experiment, a learning experience, so let’s pretend it never happened.

In four more updates? Not really.

Scarlets story doesn’t need to be “completed” or “fixed”. Quite the opposite – she has to go with as little collateral as possible.

If they try to finish her story, it will cost time, money, players, it will fail and it will kill the very concept of living story just because they tried to fix something that was just too kitten broken.

But she does have a backstory a very interesting one at that!

Lord Kuru.3685:

One of the biggest issues with the whole Scarlet debacle is that her storyline has been approved from the bottom all the way to the top of Anet. That means Anet not only does not have the ability to write good stories, but that they don’t have the ability to tell when a story is bad.

This does not bode well for whatever succeeds the Scarlet storyline.

probably because the story isn’t finished? do you read a few chapters of a book then stop then say it sucks?

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

Neishi.5309:

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

KEEP LOGIC OUT OF THIS!

I would like to offer some corrections over the self-gratifying nonsense that is being raised in this thread:

- Just because you dislike Scarlet, that does not mean everyone dislikes Scarlet. Not even if there are people who agree with you.

- Just because someone does not share your opinion, does not mean that that person is “one of the very few” who do.

- People who like what is going on have little reason to go post about it, which is why “I hate X” threads are more common than “I like X” threads.

- Just because there is a Living Story, players are not forced to participate in it. Just go do your WvW or dungeon runs or guild missions as usual. If something annoys you, don’t expose yourself to it.

So please stop proclaiming: “I hate Scarlet, which means that everyone hates Scarlet, which means that Living Story is a failure, which means that I get to tell ArenaNet what to do.” Because even if the first thing is true, none of the others necessarily follow. Basic faulty logic.

Personally, I don’t think Scarlet is that great of a character (as she has been badly written), but that does not diminish my enjoyment of the Living Story in the slightest. And I do not have the opinion that “Scarlet needs to go”. I am confident that the Living Story will provide Scarlet with an appropriate exit eventually. Probably involving the unleashing of some terrible threat to Tyria.

Grim Jr.8946:

probably because the story isn’t finished? do you read a few chapters of a book then stop then say it sucks?

There are books where the writing is terrible enough to make you not care about the outcome halfway through.

Neishi.5309:

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

Yes i do realize this and I said to in my initial post.

It’s still more than one month until the next release. I’ll take one month of actual story over four months of garbage any time.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Just because there is a Living Story, players are not forced to participate in it. Just go do your WvW or dungeon runs or guild missions as usual. If something annoys you, don’t expose yourself to it.

If this was just one update, I would happily do so, but it has been public knowledge for some time now that Scarlet is just too poorly written to be salvaged. Four more updates of her story is the Titanic, deliberately headed for the biggest iceberg in sight.

Nike.2631:

the pure seething disgust she has engendered in the players here

Turgut.4397:

I’m forced to do boring content every 2-4 weeks..

And I thought it was only a game.

I find threads like this very funny. The reason it is funny, is people claim the “community” is against this or that. Whats funny, is the majority of the community doesn’t come on the forums. The vocal minority of the community, the ones that are unhappy about something are the main ones that come here. So can’t base anything off of the forums. I know I like the LS stuff and I am actually looking forward to seeing the end of the Scarlet story.

Now I do hope they give us more backstory and the ending is a grand spectical. But we won’t know if it is until it gets here.

Now please stop stating the “community” doesn’t want any more LS, Scarlet, or whatever else, and just state that in “YOUR OPINION” you don’t think the LS or Scarlet needs to continue. Thank you for your time.

Lampshade.7569

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Just because there is a Living Story, players are not forced to participate in it. Just go do your WvW or dungeon runs or guild missions as usual. If something annoys you, don’t expose yourself to it.

If this was just one update, I would happily do so, but it has been public knowledge for some time now that Scarlet is just too poorly written to be salvaged. Four more updates of her story is the Titanic, deliberately headed for the biggest iceberg in sight.

No, it is some people’s public opinion that Scarlet is too poorly written to be salvaged according to them. (And would you go see a movie about the Titanic if it didn’t involve the vessel going down?)
Opinion is not fact. And yes, that does include your opinion.

Also, I don’t see why your opinion about Scarlet’s “salvageability” does not allow you to disregard the Living Story.
If you don’t like Fractals, do you feel compelled to play them every time a Fractal is added?
If you don’t like playing the TP economy, do you feel compelled to buy/sell items to make a prefit every time new tradable items are added?
If you don’t like WvW, do you feel compelled to play it anyway every time the WXP reward system is updated?
If you don’t like minigames, do you feel compelled to play them every time a new minigame is added?
If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

Lampshade.7569:

Yargesh.4965:

I personally liked Scarlet. She will be leaving shortly. Your demands are a little stamping foot variety aren’t they?

You personally liked her, but if you read a bit more on the forums you will see that people like you are very few.

Well, I agree with you that people who like Scarlet on the forums are few, but that is the nature of forums and life. The complainers and haters always outnumber those who are satisfied. People often complain about what they don’t like, but not many will express gratitude for things they do like.

Lampshade.7569:

What I am saying is, right now, players are still willing to say: It was an experiment, a learning experience, so let’s pretend it never happened.

In four more updates? Not really.

Scarlets story doesn’t need to be “completed” or “fixed”. Quite the opposite – she has to go with as little collateral as possible.

If they try to finish her story, it will cost time, money, players, it will fail and it will kill the very concept of living story just because they tried to fix something that was just too kitten broken.

That is a little overly dramatic. The game and the LS are not going to die or suffer because of four more patches to finish the Scarlet story. Additionally claims like this are made even before you see what content they will be giving us. I equate such statements to “the sky is falling.”

There are many, many articles and threads on the net that speak to the fact that forums only represent a very small amount of the actual people involved with any game (or other reason for a forum.) Furthermore, they are 85-90% populated with those dissatisfied with the forum’s reason for being. It is no different here.

Many of us like the LS. I’m sure that if the majority of players didn’t like it or accept it, the forums would be much more populated by other players rather than the small amount of players that actually compromise GW2’s base.

Mixing Scarlet and the Dragons will be like finally flushing the toilet.

I would love it if there were mandatory in-game information gathering polls so we could discuss what public opinion actually looks like. Until then you can dismiss any negative feedback with “forums are populated by chronically dissatisfied people”.

I’m just trying to speak up against upcoming events that, in my opinion, will leave people so dissatisfied with the living story that they will stop caring about where it will head next.

Mesket.5728:

Mixing Scarlet and the Dragons will be like finally flushing the toilet.

I didn’t want to formulate it this negatively, but yes, very much so.

@Lampshade,

Speak up all you want, then the ones that use the forums like me, that are generally happy with the game can speak up too. I am looking forward to the next 4 updates. I am really looking forward to seeing how this ends and think it would be STUPID to cancel them like you said.

Also, if they had a public opinion poll in game I bet the results would surprise you. It would be closer to 50-50 on a lot of topics you thought it would be negative. That is the nature of games. They put a lot of different stuff in them to appeal to all different kinds of people. So the poll would either needs to be generalized to get the best feedback from the community.

Lagg.3960:

No, no, no, not like this, this needs to be done correctly.

Update 1: Scarlet opens a rift to

I’m bored already…

Nope. The story must be completed.
No matter how one feels about the LS, good or bad, ending prematurely is the worst idea possible. terrible.

I finally have an idea of what Scarlet may be up too, and knowing that this story will be concluded in 4 updates will be exciting to see how far off the mark I am.

I like Scarlet. And I’d be rather annoyed if I didn’t get to the end of the story that was started. It would be like going through Orr and finding a fast food restaurant where Zhaitan was supposed to be.

Vayne.8563:

I like Scarlet. And I’d be rather annoyed if I didn’t get to the end of the story that was started. It would be like going through Orr and finding a fast food restaurant where Zhaitan was supposed to be.

^This. That was a great line Vayne.

Do I think keeping Scarlet around is bad? Yes.

Do I think just cutting the story off and forcing out quickly made updates to cover the hole would be worse? Again, yes.

I’m mostly ignoring the LS these days, and I hate that they expect us to dig through content to get the story. What if people don’t like that update’s content? They’re losing the story, so what happens when the story continues next time?

But I’ll deal with it for now, and see what comes after Scarlet. I don’t have much hope, but I guess I still have a little.

I quite like scarlet. At least she has some character. I think the problem is how they try to relate everything to her. I don’t mind the fact that she is the one creating all these troubles. But for every LS, they just put scarlet in there for 30s and say “hahaha, this is all my work, now time to escape~” and we move on. I don’t know how it can be done, and I don’t want to think. But I think it is fine if they fix that.

I play the game and still do. I come on here (on down time when noting left to do) to voice the opinions of those that don’t come on here and that voice is the disdain towards the constant hate spewed towards devs and us that actually like things in this game as well as don’t like certain things and know its not polite to say “I don’t like this I hate this!” nonsense without an ounce of logical suggestions or constructive criticism.

Every one of my threads was a well constructed form my ire to this foul “so-called community/majority” with also a logical coherent and constructive discussion thrown in to try to find common ground or solutions to make everyone happy. Then it all gets ignored by the single-minded hate spew and I’m back to square one. You;ll see most of my posts did get ignored by these forum goers.

I know a lot of people feel like I do. I act because I care. If I didn’t care, I may not even be on here and possibly be like, “Its all going to kitten anyways, I’m done with the game so I’ll just leave quietly.” Type of crowd.

@Hjorje and Yumiko Ishida.

Whoa, whoa, whoa guys!!! I think you two really are saying the same thing. I don’t Yumiko was against you Hjorje. I think he was supporting you. He wasn’t telling you (Hjorje) to keep your opinion to yourself, he was saying that about all the complainers. Re-read his reply to you. I think you will find he is supporting you.

The reason I like both of you is because you actually support the game and are the voice of reason and common sense much of the time. I hate to see a misunderstanding like this.

I think she’s cute.

I consider the 4 patch as a Waiting Game(yeah, that was just a reference to The Waiting game quest in GW1) I’m curious what they can do in this extended break period. So, we’ll see.

Edit: Hail to the Dhuumhammer!

Just do what I do, haven’t touched any event since June, if you don’t participate, they’ll stop feeding us garbage stories. All it takes is to not dance to their tune and to dance to your own.

Lampshade.7569:

After December 10, there will be just four releases left in the current major world story arc, which we like to think of as season one of the Living World. Our first release in the new year will be on January 21 as we begin our countdown to the end of this story arc. We’ll use the longer break to spend extra time to ensure that our final four releases are as polished and exciting as possible.

Four more updates of Scarlet. NO.

But if you give us just four more patches, we will turn it around and it will be great and . . . NO.

I understand that you want to make it work, “save” her in the eyes of the players and I say NO.

I also understand that a lot of it might already be finished. I do not care one bit to see any of it. Trash it.

As many have pointed out, the problem with Scarlet was the lack of backstory, lack of dialogue, writing revolving around content when it should be the other way around.

In the next update, instead of any content, give us a 10 minute cutscene explaining her tragic past, her misunderstood motivation and how she DIED.

My suggestion:

All the experiments left her with little time left to live, so she lived it to the fullest, wishing to leave no regrets.

Scarlet Briar died peacefully, in her sleep, January 21st 2014.

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It was an experiment, you did the best you could, you learned a lot, you will do better next time.

Now kill her.

Agreed. I’d rather have a death for her that is equal to the idiocy of her character. Every single thing she did, should backfire & she should find out that she really had no comprehension of anything as it all comes crashing down on her, cowering in fear.
Anet is absolutely unwilling to accept that they made a mistake & move on. They want to try to “develop” this idiot. I gave up on the story finally because of the fail that is Scarlet, so all I can hope for is better features in the updates. Because every time they do ‘story’ it makes me want to claw my eyes out. Watching people’s in-game reactions to more Scarlet story is enough for me to think that the players, for the most part, are not in line with this awful character.

The reason I like both of you is because you actually support the game and are the voice of reason and common sense much of the time. I hate to see a misunderstanding like this.

This is so disingenuous… They aren’t “supporting the game” or the “voice of reason and common sense”. They just have another opinion that lines up with yours. I think people that don’t like Scarlet are providing waaaay more constructive feedback on the game. They’ve given tons of logical reasons as to why the character doesn’t fit the game & is essentially a bad rp fantasy. Even Anet admitted (in an extremely toned-down & politically-deflective way) that they character had problems. Sorry, but they aren’t “supporting the game”, they are eating up whatever comes out the chute. If you have a bad element in a good product, pretending that everything if great, is the opposite of helping.

No, it is some people’s public opinion that Scarlet is too poorly written to be salvaged according to them.

That’s true. & some people think JarJar binks is a masterpiece.

DarksunG.9537:

That’s true. & some people think JarJar binks is a masterpiece.

Reminds me of an earlier post I made declaring Trehearne the Jar Jar Binks of the GW2 universe.

I stand corrected. Touche Scarlet, touché.

Scarlet: Me So CRaZy!

4 more? holy, can they stop with this kindergarten villain?

I dont Mind Scarlet for one reason Her lack of development shows that Anet’s Plans are too ambitious for good well thought out writing with back story

I would Rather have a Kittened up Scarlet than Kittened up Elder dragons, Mursaat, Seers or any of the cool Old lore.

dusanyu.4057:

I dont Mind Scarlet for one reason Her lack of development shows that Anet’s Plans are too ambitious for good well thought out writing with back story

I would Rather have a Kittened up Scarlet than Kittened up Elder dragons, Mursaat, Seers or any of the cool Old lore.

That’s a very good point, and one I doubt many of us thought about. At least they murdered some poor random character instead of mucking up the Elder Dragon lore/story Good point Dus, have a cookie!

Hexyn.8462:

Neishi.5309:

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

KEEP LOGIC OUT OF THIS!

Trahearne: Please do not say fascinating.
Scarlet: Well, its certainly very intresting

(anyone else got the refrence?)))

Lagg.3960:

No, no, no, not like this, this needs to be done correctly.

Update 1: Scarlet opens a rift to the Underworld and Fissure of Woe. The player is able to stop her in time before she makes her way inside (~10 minute bossfight). She flees. UW and FoW are added as new permanent dungeons (and don’t contain anything Scarlet whatsoever). Reward for completing either UW or FoW: one Ascended armor box of your choice.

Update 2: Scarlet opens a rift to the Domain of Anguish. The player is able to stop her in time yet again before she makes her way inside (~10 minute bossfight). She flees. DoA is added as a new permanent dungeon (and doesn’t contain anything Scarlet whatsoever). Reward for completing DoA: one Ascended weapon box of your choice.

Update 3: Scarlet is now seriously fed up with things in Tyria and takes the boat to Cantha. The boat sinks and she dies (this happens off-screen, no need to draw this out any further). Extensive celebrations for her timely demise are held in Cantha, where she burns in a pyre in the middle of Kaineng Center for two weeks straight. Kaineng Center is accessible for those two weeks, as a teaser for the actual Cantha expansion release for late 2014/early 2015.

Update 4: Kitten, I don’t know… Something about dragons, maybe? Don’t want it too sound too far-fetched.

+1 except update 1 should be run away and open a rift to doa kill a thing or 2 buying her time to get on a ship and die letting us access cantha for the next 2 weeks then and the other updates allowing us to learn lore of cantha and the tengu opening their doors : D then yea a ls update for cantha that leads to a release late 2014 early 2015 so on and so forth

Aeonblade.8709:

dusanyu.4057:

I dont Mind Scarlet for one reason Her lack of development shows that Anet’s Plans are too ambitious for good well thought out writing with back story

I would Rather have a Kittened up Scarlet than Kittened up Elder dragons, Mursaat, Seers or any of the cool Old lore.

That’s a very good point, and one I doubt many of us thought about. At least they murdered some poor random character instead of mucking up the Elder Dragon lore/story Good point Dus, have a cookie!

This better be a new cookie and one of those old tooth beakers! (points to anyone who gets the reference)

Neishi.5309:

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

Except people pointed out how stupid she is 3-4 months ago.

jheryn.8390:

@Hjorje and Yumiko Ishida.

Whoa, whoa, whoa guys!!! I think you two really are saying the same thing. I don’t Yumiko was against you Hjorje. I think he was supporting you. He wasn’t telling you (Hjorje) to keep your opinion to yourself, he was saying that about all the complainers. Re-read his reply to you. I think you will find he is supporting you.

The reason I like both of you is because you actually support the game and are the voice of reason and common sense much of the time. I hate to see a misunderstanding like this.

Though my first post was infracted… really now?

DarksunG.9537:

Neishi.5309:

You do realize the majority of the updates are already in the works and have been for months now? The last should be started soon now that the Wintersday patch is live. The teams have four months to work on the content. One of those teams should be just about done. There’s no logical way they can just scrap the rest of the Scarlet arc.

Except people pointed out how stupid she is 3-4 months ago.

+1, 5char