Guild Wars 2

2 days at the HoT Day One!

But there’s something that scare me, something that is a really big problem since months:
How expensive is make a Light Armor Ascended?

Bolt of Silk isn’t the easiest material to find, you can obtain it only salvaging equipments, and to make a Spool of Silk you need 100 Bolts of Silk, that is 300 Scrap of Silk.
Make enough Bolt of Silk to craft a Spool of Silk is More than the Double of the amount of material required to craft a Lump of Mithril or any other Ascended Crafting Material.
If you add that it’s needed to make both armor components and Insigna to make a Light Ascended Armor you need a insane amount of Scrap of Silk, that is the expensive T5 material, why is used to make armors component for light users and is also used by every armor crafting profession to make Insigna.

To reduce the cost of Scrap of Silk (and Bolt Damask) the only way is to reduce to 50 the amount of Bolt of Silk required to make a Wool of Silk.

That will reduce the cost of crafting an Ascended Light Armor, making Light User Classes able to make it at the same cost of a Heavy or Medium class.

That problem will be bigger is you look at the HoT’s Raids System, where ANet already announced that to do some of that raids a player will NEED an Ascended Armor.

Why make Light Users (Ele, Necro and Mesm) disadvantaged to make an Ascended Armor why it’s too much expensive to craft? (more or less 2 or 3 times than a heavy or medium armor).

please, reduce the number of Scrap of Silk required to make a Wool of Silk to 50, like for every other crafting profession main material.
That will greatly reduce the problem and make every players able to craft they’re Ascended armor at a high but right price.

They said ascended is recommended but not required.

The map reward system may help resolve the problem (not saying completely) and with so many people doing HoT events and salvaging, their may be an influx of silk. There’s also Wintersday as well.

We have this discussion every week, and unless you can show numbers to back up the 2-3 times claim, I can’t believe it.

Prices might have gone up since I last did the calculations, but there’s no way light armor costs more than 1/3 more than medium armor, much less 2-3 times as much.

No, they Expecifically sayd that for the last Raid Boss everyone NEED a FULL ASCENDED EQUIPMENT.

http://dulfy.net/2015/09/30/gw2-ascended-gear-will-be-needed-in-raids/
(an extract of the conversation).

And actually there’s still a large amount of players doing PvE and selling Silk, but I’ve always seen the price of the Silk increase or stay at a price that to make a Wool of Silk buying the silk from the TP you need barely 10 golds.

That will really not help Light Users to make an Ascended Armor.

And components obtained in Raids will help to make a Legendary Armor, not an Ascended. And for a Legendary Armor you will need Months, if you have enough Ascended Armor Pieces to make some different Bosses that will require it (for a not jet definited fight/damage/condition system).

Silv.9207:

No, they Expecifically sayd that for the last Raid Boss everyone NEED a FULL ASCENDED EQUIPMENT.

http://dulfy.net/2015/09/30/gw2-ascended-gear-will-be-needed-in-raids/
(an extract of the conversation).

And actually there’s still a large amount of players doing PvE and selling Silk, but I’ve always seen the price of the Silk increase or stay at a price that to make a Wool of Silk buying the silk from the TP you need barely 10 golds.

That will really not help Light Users to make an Ascended Armor.

And components obtained in Raids will help to make a Legendary Armor, not an Ascended. And for a Legendary Armor you will need Months, if you have enough Ascended Armor Pieces to make some different Bosses that will require it (for a not jet definited fight/damage/condition system).

Old information. It was clarified hours later. It’s recommended.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3mz8ta/crystal_reid_raids_will_be_balanced_around/cvk6djq

I wouldn’t put undue emphasis on the one tweet. I wouldn’t dismiss it entirely, because it gives us a picture of the thought process behind development, but do you really think they’re going to hone content to that specific a level, that you can only beat in in exotic gear, not ascended?

Unless the content has agony and needs infusions to survive, I’m skeptical about it. We should pay attention to whether there’s gear creep going on that we should be concerned about, but let’s not flip out, or no one will ever be able to tweet without setting off a firestorm.

I’ll just quote John Smith’s reply when asked about reducing the amount of silk required:

John Smith.4610:

Swagger.1459:

Howdy John! Any plans to reduce the amount of bolts of silk required for crafting spools of silk weaving thread?

Nope

Recommended = You’ll find out that you need it after you keep wiping out.

Think of Isaiah as a tire sales person telling you he “recommends” snow tires on your car for the winter. Obviously he can’t tell you that you have to, but when you get stuck or crash then you’ll be right back there getting your “recommended” tires.

Swagger.1459:

Recommended = You’ll find out that you need it after you keep wiping out.

Think of Isaiah as a tire sales person telling you he recommends snow tires on your car for the winter. Obviously he can’t tell you that you have to, but when you get stuck or crash then you’ll be right back there getting your “recommended” tires.

Recommended does not equal required.

Fatalyz.7168:

I’ll just quote John Smith’s reply when asked about reducing the amount of silk required:

John Smith.4610:

Swagger.1459:

Howdy John! Any plans to reduce the amount of bolts of silk required for crafting spools of silk weaving thread?

Nope

I am honored.

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Recommended = You’ll find out that you need it after you keep wiping out.

Think of Isaiah as a tire sales person telling you he recommends snow tires on your car for the winter. Obviously he can’t tell you that you have to, but when you get stuck or crash then you’ll be right back there getting your “recommended” tires.

Recommended does not equal required.

Sure, you can enter raids with exotics, but…

Sometimes you have to read between the lines and take hints for more than hints…

Before you reply I want to ask this…

Are raids being designed around 10 players in exotic gear or 10 players in ascended gear?

Swagger.1459:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Recommended = You’ll find out that you need it after you keep wiping out.

Think of Isaiah as a tire sales person telling you he recommends snow tires on your car for the winter. Obviously he can’t tell you that you have to, but when you get stuck or crash then you’ll be right back there getting your “recommended” tires.

Recommended does not equal required.

Sure, you can enter raids with exotics, but…

Sometimes you have to read between the lines and take hints for more than hints…

Or make things up.

It’s perfectly possible to play most of the game in white gear. It’s not recommended, but it’s possible.

Or not answer questions

Essence Snow.3194:

It’s perfectly possible to play most of the game in white gear. It’s not recommended, but it’s possible.

And the game was balanced around exotics, was it not?

And raids were not balanced around ascended? They’ve said this?

I know for sure one of the two guilds that are testing it will be running full ascended as they are min/maxers. They will have full ascended, max foods and utilities.

I would recommend you all get crafting

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

I would recommend you craft ascended armor, weapons and get your trinkets

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

Redenaz.8631:

We have this discussion every week, and unless you can show numbers to back up the 2-3 times claim, I can’t believe it.

Prices might have gone up since I last did the calculations, but there’s no way light armor costs more than 1/3 more than medium armor, much less 2-3 times as much.

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These are just the cloth/leather/metal costs. A full suit of armor costs something like 400 gold, but most of the other elements are the same regardless of what weight you’re wearing.

October 4th, 2015
Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Heavy armor uses 150 Thermocatalytic Reagent instead of 360 Gossamer Thread, but both are sold from vendors and cost about the same. (2g30s40c for thread versus 2g24s40c for reagents)

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Light
36damask + 6leather
Medium
24damask + 18leather
Heavy
25damask + 16steel

Converted to gold costs,

Light
468g + 18g = 486g
Medium
312g + 54g = 366g
Heavy
325g + 64g = 389g

Cost Differences
Medium (0)
Heavy (23g)
Light (120g)

Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Its right here… its literally 4 times the cost of leather and 3 times the cost of metal…..

Silk seems easier to aquire than wool, cotten or linen.

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

Your own link says 12.5%

dom.2748:

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

Your own link says 12.5%

Read my previous posts to understand what I was talking about.

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

A full ascended berserker set vs a full exotic berserker set is a 12.5% difference. If you want to niggle over armor alone then ok, we are talking about full ascended vs exotic silly…

Swagger.1459:

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

A full ascended berserker set vs a full exotic berserker set is a 12.5% difference. If you want to niggle over armor alone then ok, we are talking about full ascended vs exotic silly…

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

Trinkets and back item are easy/cheap to get. Weapons are the 2nd highest expensive item at 50-60G per weapon not counting cost to get craft to 500.

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

tl;dr A full ascended berserker set gives you a 12.5% increase in damage over a full exotic berserker gear set with power omni infusions. This is the maximum increase in damage obtainable with ascended gear. The ascended weapon gives the biggest increase for an individual item at 5.9%. Ascended armor only increases damage by 1.8% over exotic if you already have ascended back, trinkets and weapon.

I guess we should have clarified…..I was going for the 10-12% number

Edit I made the same mistake as the other poster……..assuming gear instead of armor alone minus infusions.

Let me ask… What is 10% of 10 minutes?

I’m sorry ayrilana, you’ll just have to get all your ascended gear for raids. No matter how much you use wishful thinking you’ll just have to give in to the dark side

Swagger.1459:

Ayrilana.1396:

Essence Snow.3194:

Ayrilana.1396:

Swagger.1459:

Or not answer questions

Whether something is balanced towards a tier of gear doesn’t mean that you cannot complete it in lower tiered armor. Also be aware the the thing that most people complain about in regards to ascended is the cost of the armor despite it only contributing around 2% of damage over exotic.

2%? Might want to recheck that math.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/31wbip/ascended_vs_exotic_gear_comparison_spreedsheet

Your turn

A full ascended berserker set vs a full exotic berserker set is a 12.5% difference. If you want to niggle over armor alone then ok, we are talking about full ascended vs exotic silly…

Actually the thread is about Ascended Armour. Ascended Armour will provide +20 primary stat and +16 secondary stats for the WHOLE SET – this is insignificant and can just be got in your own time, no need to rush.

This thread is also about raids and “recommended” gear so it’s all intertwined…

Just wait until ascended runes and sigils come out and you’ll only be able to slot them in ascended gear

dom.2748:

Redenaz.8631:

We have this discussion every week, and unless you can show numbers to back up the 2-3 times claim, I can’t believe it.

Prices might have gone up since I last did the calculations, but there’s no way light armor costs more than 1/3 more than medium armor, much less 2-3 times as much.

Show Spoiler

hide spoiler

These are just the cloth/leather/metal costs. A full suit of armor costs something like 400 gold, but most of the other elements are the same regardless of what weight you’re wearing.

October 4th, 2015
Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Heavy armor uses 150 Thermocatalytic Reagent instead of 360 Gossamer Thread, but both are sold from vendors and cost about the same. (2g30s40c for thread versus 2g24s40c for reagents)

---

Light
36damask + 6leather
Medium
24damask + 18leather
Heavy
25damask + 16steel

Converted to gold costs,

Light
468g + 18g = 486g
Medium
312g + 54g = 366g
Heavy
325g + 64g = 389g

Cost Differences
Medium (0)
Heavy (23g)
Light (120g)

Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Its right here… its literally 4 times the cost of leather and 3 times the cost of metal…..

Sure Bolts of Damask cost 3-4 times as much as metal/leather, but you do realize that medium and heavy ascended armor still require 24 and 25 bolts respectively? That mean light armor would need to cost 75-100 bolts in order to cost 3-4 times as much to craft. Since it only costs 36…. the point still stands. Light ascended armor does not cost excessively more than medium/heavy.

You’re all wrong. This thread is about reducing the cost of crafting Light Ascended Armor, because currently, it is more expensive to craft than Medium and Heavy.

Stop derailing the thread.

At OP, I agree. Light is much more expensive than crafting the other sets and I wish/hope they reduce the requirements to compensate.

dom.2748:

Redenaz.8631:

We have this discussion every week, and unless you can show numbers to back up the 2-3 times claim, I can’t believe it.

Prices might have gone up since I last did the calculations, but there’s no way light armor costs more than 1/3 more than medium armor, much less 2-3 times as much.

Show Spoiler

hide spoiler

These are just the cloth/leather/metal costs. A full suit of armor costs something like 400 gold, but most of the other elements are the same regardless of what weight you’re wearing.

October 4th, 2015
Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Heavy armor uses 150 Thermocatalytic Reagent instead of 360 Gossamer Thread, but both are sold from vendors and cost about the same. (2g30s40c for thread versus 2g24s40c for reagents)

---

Light
36damask + 6leather
Medium
24damask + 18leather
Heavy
25damask + 16steel

Converted to gold costs,

Light
468g + 18g = 486g
Medium
312g + 54g = 366g
Heavy
325g + 64g = 389g

Cost Differences
Medium (0)
Heavy (23g)
Light (120g)

Bolt of Damask — craft 13g | buy 15g | sell 17g
Elonian Leather — craft 3g | buy 3g | sell 4g
Deldrimor Ingot — craft 4g | buy 4g | sell 5g

Its right here… its literally 4 times the cost of leather and 3 times the cost of metal…..

Are we comparing the cost of armor, or the cost of silk/leather/metal? Silk and leather materials aren’t supposed to cost the same. They’re not used in the same amounts, because everyone uses a lot of silk, between the armor parts and insignias.

If you’re comparing leather squares to bolts of silk, instead of total cost of the armor, you’re losing sight of the actual difference in cost between armor classes. Each armor weight uses a mix of materials, so while light classes might pay 30% more for their entire armor, it’s very misleading to say the whole process is out of whack because they pay 3-4 times what other classes do.

It does seem a little unfair, but have a sense of accurate proportion.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Ascended-Gear-to-be-Required-for-Raids/page/18

Already almost a thousand posts about this, no need to make a new thread (even though that one isnt on the front page of the HOT section, its still less than a week since last post)

But to sum it up, the short answer is no, ascended is not required (recommended has a different meaning from required in the english language, look it up sometime), and everything in the game other than fractals will still be doable in exotics. That doesnt mean it wont help (it will, but most of the stat gain is weapons/trinkets), and that people wont kick pugs from groups for not having ascended (they will, but they already do now), but still, its not “required”.

And as far as silk requirements, it hasnt been stated that anything will change, but they are working on balancing salvaging rates and the economy as a whole, so its a remote possibility that it goes down to 75 silk per, or something, though i wouldnt bet on it.

Recommended has a different meaning in the business language

We will see on Fri-Sun, but I think they are more interested in making thick leather, and mithril just as expensive as silk, rather than lowering the cost of silk.

Yes that’s the goal