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Posted by: DocNW.9462

DocNW.9462

Increasingly it is becoming more challenging to consistently find an event map than actually doing the events.

More and more often I see players fighting to take and hold bases, just for someone to pop in and declare it a CF map and take over, sometimes even saying " good luck with events when half the map is farm".

“Champ Trains” around the game were “fixed” because they were taking over an aspect of the game, yet the silverwastes takes a whole map when someone wants to farm instead of actually play.

I understand the desire to get loot with little effort, and there is a lot of currency and materials required for aspects of the game. I don’t care if people farm, but I do care when it stops people from playing the game.

I simply say this… ANET…please…for simplicity… either remove the ability to farm, or possibly more beneficial, remove the events from the Silverwastes so farmers will have their own place to be and will leave everyone that simply want to enjoy the game to do so in peace. Removing the events is probably the best choice, which is sad, I do really enjoy that map.

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Posted by: Naevius.3185

Naevius.3185

One idea: make digging up a chest specific to one character only, but increase shovel drop rate to compensate.

With no incentive to have others using shovels, the idea of ‘farming’ maps becomes obsolete.

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Posted by: PaxTheGreatOne.9472

PaxTheGreatOne.9472

No events = no shovels > no reason to go there

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Posted by: DocNW.9462

DocNW.9462

True, and making each chest once per account would work.

For me the problem is that I don’t want to take the ability to farm away from people that would rather easy button the loot, I just don’t want them taking the game from people that want to play instead.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: DocNW.9462

DocNW.9462

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Time of day and server I am sure. Just like the old champ trains. I really do think there should be a map devoted to farming…some kind of challenge maybe to balance the gain, but give the farmers something. Otherwise it is a battle one way or the other for who gets their way. That’s not the fun kind of PVP…lol

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Posted by: Elden Arnaas.4870

Elden Arnaas.4870

They ought to have chests accessible at a certain point in time, like in Dry Top. So at the end of the event chain there’s a break, when people can farm chests for a certain amount of time. Then chests vanish and the event sequence starts up again. So each map is a 100% event map part of the time, and a 100% farm map part of the time. Then there would be no mix, and no need to choose. You do what the map has available at that time.(or hop to another map)
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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Time of day and server I am sure. Just like the old champ trains. I really do think there should be a map devoted to farming…some kind of challenge maybe to balance the gain, but give the farmers something. Otherwise it is a battle one way or the other for who gets their way. That’s not the fun kind of PVP…lol

Lol No, no it’s definitely not (the fun kind of pvp).

I’m guessing you don’t have any luck posting through the LFG that you’re looking for an event map?

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: DocNW.9462

DocNW.9462

They ought to have chests accessible at a certain point in time, like in Dry Top. So at the end of the event chain there’s a break, when people can farm chests for a certain amount of time. Then chests vanish and the event sequence starts up again. So each map is a 100% event map part of the time, and a 100% farm map part of the time. Then there would be no mix, and no need to choose. You what the map has available at that time.(or hop to another map)

You know, I hadn’t considered that! Sounds brilliant to me.

They could extend the time between and make chests only available at those times. A win/win for all. Do the events for the shovels and in between event sessions use said shovels. Would likely keep the population in the maps higher and more active.

Kudos to you on that…

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Posted by: Senario.2038

Senario.2038

Increasingly it is becoming more challenging to consistently find an event map than actually doing the events.

More and more often I see players fighting to take and hold bases, just for someone to pop in and declare it a CF map and take over, sometimes even saying " good luck with events when half the map is farm".

“Champ Trains” around the game were “fixed” because they were taking over an aspect of the game, yet the silverwastes takes a whole map when someone wants to farm instead of actually play.

I understand the desire to get loot with little effort, and there is a lot of currency and materials required for aspects of the game. I don’t care if people farm, but I do care when it stops people from playing the game.

I simply say this… ANET…please…for simplicity… either remove the ability to farm, or possibly more beneficial, remove the events from the Silverwastes so farmers will have their own place to be and will leave everyone that simply want to enjoy the game to do so in peace. Removing the events is probably the best choice, which is sad, I do really enjoy that map.

strange, I don’t find problems with getting into an event map and I definitely have not experienced somebody taking it over for a chest farm.

I think this is a non issue, without reasonable ways to spend your bandit crests there is no real reason to do event maps. I’ve already bought/had pretty much everything in the bandit crest shop and have an excess of 6k+ crests currently. Without chest farm I’d be sitting on a reward that is pretty much worthless.

They go hand in hand. You can’t have one without the other. And deciding to take out one will just make it so people won’t play the map at all.

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Posted by: DocNW.9462

DocNW.9462

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Time of day and server I am sure. Just like the old champ trains. I really do think there should be a map devoted to farming…some kind of challenge maybe to balance the gain, but give the farmers something. Otherwise it is a battle one way or the other for who gets their way. That’s not the fun kind of PVP…lol

Lol No, no it’s definitely not (the fun kind of pvp).

I’m guessing you don’t have any luck posting through the LFG that you’re looking for an event map?

Actually I rarely group. I am old and retired and have a lot of things that will randomly drag me away from the pc…not fair to other people to have to wait. But I posted this because it is a lot more people than just me that this is causing issues for. An example is the post above saying he doesn’t find the CF maps. Both sides of the coin have challenges…

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Time of day and server I am sure. Just like the old champ trains. I really do think there should be a map devoted to farming…some kind of challenge maybe to balance the gain, but give the farmers something. Otherwise it is a battle one way or the other for who gets their way. That’s not the fun kind of PVP…lol

Lol No, no it’s definitely not (the fun kind of pvp).

I’m guessing you don’t have any luck posting through the LFG that you’re looking for an event map?

Actually I rarely group. I am old and retired and have a lot of things that will randomly drag me away from the pc…not fair to other people to have to wait. But I posted this because it is a lot more people than just me that this is causing issues for. An example is the post above saying he doesn’t find the CF maps. Both sides of the coin have challenges…

While I can understand exactly what you’re saying (which is why I don’t typically play “with” people either), I was thinking more along the lines of using the LFG to ferry you into an event map. People do it all the time to help fill maps for breach and vinewrath events.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: ScribeTheMad.7614

ScribeTheMad.7614

They ought to have chests accessible at a certain point in time, like in Dry Top. So at the end of the event chain there’s a break, when people can farm chests for a certain amount of time. Then chests vanish and the event sequence starts up again. So each map is a 100% event map part of the time, and a 100% farm map part of the time. Then there would be no mix, and no need to choose. You do what the map has available at that time. (or hop to another map)
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Which is exactly what people are perfectly free to do now.
Mission accomplished with zero effort on ArenaNets part, wooooo
Now we just need the players to stop demanding that other people not be allowed to play the content they want.

If the majority of players on the map want to chest train you have absolutely zero right to tell them they can’t because you want to do something else.
Likewise if the majority of people on the map want to event, then train people have the exact same complete and total lack of right to tell the events people they can’t.

I see these posts all the time, and its bull. 90% of the SW taxis I see are for events.
I have a handful of times logged in and landed on a chest map just starting up.
Land on a map doing something you don’t want to do?
Don’t make whining here your first stop.

Find another map, there tend to be a number active at once.
Or maybe, just maybe, you could step up and actively try to work with the other players? Say hey after a few loops can we do an event chain for crests and shovels?
After this event chain who’s up for a few chest loops?

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There is absolutely no evidence to support that it would.” -AnthonyOrdon

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Just use the LFG to find an event map? I seriously doubt all active maps are chest farm maps. Even if they all are, they have just as much right to chest farm as you do to complete events. You also have to realize that shovels are not infinite and those doing chest farms will need to do events. Every time that I have looked in the LFG, specifically because I have keys I want to get rid of, I always see a half dozen event maps being advertised.

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Posted by: Lambent.6375

Lambent.6375

I only end up in event maps, chest farma ate the ones I have trouble getting in

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Posted by: Shadey Dancer.2907

Shadey Dancer.2907

Players fighting? Some players would fight if they were the only ones in a room with a mirror. Do not get into arguments with them as you probably will be feeding their ego’s.
The LFG tool is your friend, and the block function is your best friend. Use both at will.

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Posted by: Gambit.8425

Gambit.8425

I only end up in event maps, chest farma ate the ones I have trouble getting in

Same here, many maps just seem deserted from anything between 0%-40% or so. Easily fixed by using the LFG for either preference.

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Posted by: Endless Soul.5178

Endless Soul.5178

Doc, I seem to have the opposite problem. I have a couple hundred keys that I’ve been looking to use, but can never seem to find a CF map. Maybe it’s just the time of day?

Same with me. I’ve had almost nothing but event maps for the last two weeks, which is fine with me as I find the events to be a lot more fun. The shovels pile up and then I may (or may not) use them on a chest train on the weekend.

In other words, no trouble at all finding event maps as I seem to log into them all the time.

On a side note, I completely forgot I was sitting on over 27k bandit crests. A guild mate nudged me into spending them last night, and I invested them in over 10 stacks of Bags of Stolen Goods. After opening all of them, and selling stuff on the Trading Post, I made 80g. It was a very good night.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

Misguided.5139

As others have said, LFG is your friend here, making it pretty easy to find the type of map you want. People coming in and taking over a map sounds obnoxious, but not much you can do there.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

On a side note, I completely forgot I was sitting on over 27k bandit crests. A guild mate nudged me into spending them last night, and I invested them in over 10 stacks of Bags of Stolen Goods. After opening all of them, and selling stuff on the Trading Post, I made 80g. It was a very good night.

I have a few thousand crests too, wasn’t sure if the Stolen Goods where a good investment. Doesn’t seem like it was the best time to gold ratio given the amount of crests for the gold return. (Which would be even less for me considering how I horde mats lol)

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Xbon.9086

Xbon.9086

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them. What commonly occurred in Queensdale train maps when a champ was killed out of order? What happened on the CS and FGS maps when someone didn’t let the events fail?

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Posted by: Xbon.9086

Xbon.9086

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

I’m pretty sure anet has an anti farming stance, that’s why if you stay in one area too long you start getting diminishing returns, (but that can’t occur with champions since they drop a guaranteed bag and you’re guaranteed loot)

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

Because after you have completed the achievements and collections, there’s not much other reason. If you nerf the farm then you nerf the number of people who even bother to come to the maps and those chest farmers do farm events too when they need more shovels and keys.

Are you sure that the anti-farming stance really isn’t just their anti-botting stance and those measures, such as diminishing returns, are not just there to discourage botters?

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Posted by: Neural.1824

Neural.1824

I only end up in event maps, chest farma ate the ones I have trouble getting in

Same here. All I can find these days is event maps in LFG. Perhaps it’s just bad timing for me, but that’s my experience. I’ve got 75 shovels, and don’t really want to use them solo.

Where are my gem sales? I want gem sales! Nerf EVERYTHING!

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Posted by: Xbon.9086

Xbon.9086

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

Because after you have completed the achievements and collections, there’s not much other reason. If you nerf the farm then you nerf the number of people who even bother to come to the maps and those chest farmers do farm events too when they need more shovels and keys.

Are you sure that the anti-farming stance really isn’t just their anti-botting stance and those measures, such as diminishing returns, are not there to discourage botters?

I’m pretty sure they don’t want their content to feel grindy, if you find yourself just farming the same thing over and over, go spvp or wvw, or do some fractals/dungeons/etc.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

Because after you have completed the achievements and collections, there’s not much other reason. If you nerf the farm then you nerf the number of people who even bother to come to the maps and those chest farmers do farm events too when they need more shovels and keys.

Are you sure that the anti-farming stance really isn’t just their anti-botting stance and those measures, such as diminishing returns, are not there to discourage botters?

I’m pretty sure they don’t want their content to feel grindy, if you find yourself just farming the same thing over and over, go spvp or wvw, or do some fractals/dungeons/etc.

Some people don’t find farming grindy. Some people actually find it relaxing. It doesn’t become a ‘grind’ until you start to feel ‘forced’ to do it.

I had a guildie in GW1 that was like this. She would farm for 8-10 hours a day, because she simply enjoyed doing it. I tried doing some of it with her, I was bored senseless in less than 15 minutes. So…to each their own.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Xbon.9086

Xbon.9086

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

Because after you have completed the achievements and collections, there’s not much other reason. If you nerf the farm then you nerf the number of people who even bother to come to the maps and those chest farmers do farm events too when they need more shovels and keys.

Are you sure that the anti-farming stance really isn’t just their anti-botting stance and those measures, such as diminishing returns, are not there to discourage botters?

I’m pretty sure they don’t want their content to feel grindy, if you find yourself just farming the same thing over and over, go spvp or wvw, or do some fractals/dungeons/etc.

Some people don’t find farming grindy. Some people actually find it relaxing. It doesn’t become a ‘grind’ until you start to feel ‘forced’ to do it.

I had a guildie in GW1 that was like this. She would farm for 8-10 hours a day, because she simply enjoyed doing it. I tried doing some of it with her, I was bored senseless in less than 15 minutes. So…to each their own.

well, I enjoy farming content that’s meant to be farmed (akin to fractals) but when it comes to farming the same events over and over, it does feel forced, because that’s the fastest way to get guaranteed loot with guaranteed silver return on each bag.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

Considering the action taken against other farms, I think chest farm is a blatant misconduct and should be dealt with; as people have said above, make chests visible to the character who located/dug them up only, and to compensate increase the drop rate of shovels considerably.

Those other farms were not nerfed because people were farming them.

champ farm was the ONLY thing people did in queensdale, likewise, chest farm is almost becoming the only thing people do in silverwastes when people have a plethora of keys.

Because after you have completed the achievements and collections, there’s not much other reason. If you nerf the farm then you nerf the number of people who even bother to come to the maps and those chest farmers do farm events too when they need more shovels and keys.

Are you sure that the anti-farming stance really isn’t just their anti-botting stance and those measures, such as diminishing returns, are not there to discourage botters?

I’m pretty sure they don’t want their content to feel grindy, if you find yourself just farming the same thing over and over, go spvp or wvw, or do some fractals/dungeons/etc.

Some people don’t find farming grindy. Some people actually find it relaxing. It doesn’t become a ‘grind’ until you start to feel ‘forced’ to do it.

I had a guildie in GW1 that was like this. She would farm for 8-10 hours a day, because she simply enjoyed doing it. I tried doing some of it with her, I was bored senseless in less than 15 minutes. So…to each their own.

well, I enjoy farming content that’s meant to be farmed (akin to fractals) but when it comes to farming the same events over and over, it does feel forced, because that’s the fastest way to get guaranteed loot with guaranteed silver return on each bag.

I wouldn’t personally define fractals as ‘meant to be farmed.’ Meant to by busy work, yeah. But by that token, it’s not any different than SW. That’s like saying dungeons were meant to be ‘farmed’ given that you have to do them a multitude of times in order to achieve their skin sets, but that’s not entirely accurate either. They were mean to be repeatable. Desirably repeatable, but not necessarily “farmed.”

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

But the event on a 4 or 6 hour timer and prevent chest farming while the event is up.

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Posted by: Devildoc.6721

Devildoc.6721

Chest trains happen because keys are what you can buy with badges after you’re done with the collections, you get all these keys… and… never enough shovels. So people pool shovels and chest trains happen.

If you got shovels all the time but next to no keys, this wouldn’t happen.

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Posted by: DomAltares.8651

DomAltares.8651

I don’t understand the need to have a specific chest farm map. (Except for the hordes of leeches that rarely have shovels. I suppose I can understand why they want a shovel train.)

When I want to use my shovels and keys, I use them. Right in the middle of the event map that I am probably already on. No need to disrupt the progress to the VW, no need to follow a tag. I just dig, and open the chest. Works real well.

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Posted by: DomAltares.8651

DomAltares.8651

“Champ Trains” around the game were “fixed” because they were taking over an aspect of the game,

Champ trains were removed because they added vitriol and hatred to newbie areas of the game. The QD champ train was little more than a map chat kitten storm waiting to happen on any given day; get more than one group running, or someone who went ahead of the train and sniped a champ, and all the newbies suddenly got to see the nasty side of the GW2 community.

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Posted by: The Tee Why.4807

The Tee Why.4807

I dont see a problem with it, I never have a problem finding either to be honest.

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Posted by: Killface.1896

Killface.1896

Use the LFG tool you will find the map type you want there in no time.

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Posted by: CorrynnStarr.7942

CorrynnStarr.7942

tl;dr

I have an idea… make chests available only after the events hit a tier.

for example… all 4 keeps must be tier 1, then poof, chests available to collect once. As soon as they all hit tier 2, poof, round 2. etc and so on and so forth.

any thoughts?

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I don’t understand the need to have a specific chest farm map. (Except for the hordes of leeches that rarely have shovels. I suppose I can understand why they want a shovel train.)

When I want to use my shovels and keys, I use them. Right in the middle of the event map that I am probably already on. No need to disrupt the progress to the VW, no need to follow a tag. I just dig, and open the chest. Works real well.

Think of it this way. How many chests can buy people with a shovel each get when they’re on separate maps? How many chests can those same people each with one shovel get if they work together on the same map? It’s that concept although there are leechers.

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Posted by: Batelle.1680

Batelle.1680

People are gonna complain about everything. Personally, I think the event/chest train solution is fairly elegant. You can’t do the chest train without doing events, and I’ve only ever seen the debate over whether the map is for one or the other get contentious once- and that was mainly because the chest train people didn’t want to wait for the reset while the labyrinth folk wanted everyone to stay and get it to Tier III.

I also appreciate the separation because it keeps people more focused on the actual events on an event map. We already have enough people who do the minimum and then AFK while other players pick up their slack. If we went to a system where you could only get chests at the end of events or during a reset period like Drytop, then you’d have even more people parking their characters on the wall and waiting for their opportunity to jump in and snag chests.

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Firebaall.5127

Step 1:

Complain about farming until it’s nerfed.

Step 2:

Complain about material costs due to no farming.

Go!