More cookie-cutter, only three trait choices with each tier.
So, more power, less ways to appropriate that power. Should be great for the “meta” sheep. Oh well, time to move on from the game; it’s always been pretty shallow, but this latest update makes it all too clear that Anet likes shallow.
You people have no idea what dumbed downed means or how to apply it. This update increases your actual choices. Less is more with MMO talents. Having a lot of talents just makes it a nightmare to balance, and most of it is false choice anyway. Now ArenaNet can balance each talent directly with only 2 others, rather than dozens of talents at once. If anything this change will increase the diversity of builds since you don’t have so many horrible traits.
After a couple years way from the game, I recently came back. I’ve been working through the multitude of changes and one thing that’s really annoying me is being unable to access my HoM skins that I spent hundreds of hours working towards in GW1…
Has there been any ETA given on when Kimmes’ ‘show me my legacy’ option will be re-enabled?
This was 13 days ago. Maybe GW2 is just not your cup of tee? Have fun and good luck on finding a game that more suits your expectations.
On that note, I find it funny that you have this deep a game understanding after only a couple of days of being back with a fresh patch that turned everything on its head.
I don’t understand..how adding more builds and more ways to play your class…“dumbed down/cookie cutter”
STOP USING ZERKS and make something fun for once. God kitten meta games. Every single one of them are the same in every game
Damage > everything
Meta = I don’t want to play this game. How do I make it ungodly easy??
They are saying that you have fewer options for your build now. Before you could pick and choose from however many lines if you had enough points, now you must go fully into 3. Before you could pick and choose from that tier or below, now you must choose one from that tier. It’s simpler now.
Most LFG parties I see around are not Zerk/meta or get out. They do exist though.
How about we let everyone play the way they enjoy and not criticize other people for their choices or try and shove what you enjoy on others…
Zerk/meta types have their parties, if you’re not that type of player, you have other parties to choose from, or you can create your own.
Zerks/meta types don’t go into an anyone welcome party then complain about the pistol pistol thieves etc. Everyone’s happy,
You people have no idea what dumbed downed means or how to apply it. This update increases your actual choices. Less is more with MMO talents. Having a lot of talents just makes it a nightmare to balance, and most of it is false choice anyway. Now ArenaNet can balance each talent directly with only 2 others, rather than dozens of talents at once. If anything this change will increase the diversity of builds since you don’t have so many horrible traits.
This thread is hilariously ironic.
Except for people who don’t give a kitten about their effectiveness and level of power and just wanted to have some fun, trying out a lot of different stuff.
Happily uninstalled. Finally. After 2 friggin’ years. Free.
I don’t understand..how adding more builds and more ways to play your class…“dumbed down/cookie cutter”
STOP USING ZERKS and make something fun for once. God kitten meta games. Every single one of them are the same in every game
Damage > everything
Meta = I don’t want to play this game. How do I make it ungodly easy??
They are saying that you have fewer options for your build now. Before you could pick and choose from however many lines if you had enough points, now you must go fully into 3. Before you could pick and choose from that tier or below, now you must choose one from that tier. It’s simpler now.
Most LFG parties I see around are not Zerk/meta or get out. They do exist though.
How about we let everyone play the way they enjoy and not criticize other people for their choices or try and shove what you enjoy on others…
Zerk/meta types have their parties, if you’re not that type of player, you have other parties to choose from, or you can create your own.
Zerks/meta types don’t go into an anyone welcome party then complain about the pistol pistol thieves etc. Everyone’s happy,
Oh but they do it all the time and kitten and whine and moan and complain. It’s sickening. I see more viable builds than before despite not having the 5 tree choice. People just need to explore and actually test for longer than ohh….6 hours. tops.
Its disappointing that we only have 3 options for adept traits especially with the crummy fall damage ones, but at the same time a lot of awful traits got buffed, so I see a lot of new builds open up
But if you judge the merits of a game based on the statistical number of builds available, sure, this patch has less than before, so I guess its just not complex enough of a game for the OP. kitten , we sure are going to miss him, but I guess life will have to go on.
We actually have way fewer build possibilities now than we did before. Someone did the math somewhere and the difference is huge.
This, a thousand times this!
Gonna swim with the big fish. You’re gonna get your wish. Ooooooo. Little barracuda.
When you awake, quaggans will be here, and there’ll be a crab cake, just for you…
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I don’t understand..how adding more builds and more ways to play your class…“dumbed down/cookie cutter”
STOP USING ZERKS and make something fun for once. God kitten meta games. Every single one of them are the same in every game
Damage > everything
Meta = I don’t want to play this game. How do I make it ungodly easy??
We actually have way fewer build possibilities now than we did before. Someone did the math somewhere and the difference is huge.
Fewer possibilities? did u count the useless traits? like falling dmg 100 armor while ressing 1 second of poison on weapon swap elite skill 10% less recharge?
If ur gonna count posibilities u should consider traits actually worth using.
They merged lot of trash traits.
We went from a lot of choices with only a handful being actually useful to slightly less choices with more of them being useful.
We have less global breathing room but more relative breathing room.
plus we get to grab an extra trait line. Wouldnt say that’s getting dumbed down. It’s more like streamlining so people actually consider half the stuff they wouldnt give a second glance originally.
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I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.
This is a pretty vocal community, but I’m not really seeing an outcry. Seems like there’s far more support than complaints, which is odd for these forums. I think there probably is less choice…but I like the choices I do have better.
I don’t understand..how adding more builds and more ways to play your class…“dumbed down/cookie cutter”
STOP USING ZERKS and make something fun for once. God kitten meta games. Every single one of them are the same in every game
Damage > everything
Meta = I don’t want to play this game. How do I make it ungodly easy??
They are saying that you have fewer options for your build now. Before you could pick and choose from however many lines if you had enough points, now you must go fully into 3. Before you could pick and choose from that tier or below, now you must choose one from that tier. It’s simpler now.
Most LFG parties I see around are not Zerk/meta or get out. They do exist though.
How about we let everyone play the way they enjoy and not criticize other people for their choices or try and shove what you enjoy on others…
Zerk/meta types have their parties, if you’re not that type of player, you have other parties to choose from, or you can create your own.
Zerks/meta types don’t go into an anyone welcome party then complain about the pistol pistol thieves etc. Everyone’s happy,
Oh but they do it all the time and kitten and whine and moan and complain. It’s sickening. I see more viable builds than before despite not having the 5 tree choice. People just need to explore and actually test for longer than ohh….6 hours. tops.
I have done both casual and speed runs regularly. I don’t mind helping out slower or newer players run dungeons when I have the time. Some times I want to just get the dung done fast and go do something else in game. I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but I’ll share what I’ve seen in general.
Overall I’ve seen far more casual players try to force themselves into speed runs than the other way around. The other does happen, but more often than not I’ll see some one in a lesser skilled casual group get called an elitist (etc) and get shoved into that camp by the other players when they aren’t meta speedrunners, but just don’t want to deal with wiping a lot of times.
Not quite sure how you’re defining “viable”. I can go into a dung and beat it in a reasonable time with a group of friends with no traits what so ever and some people would therefore consider that “viable”. I would call “viable” to be at least 90% as efficient as a meta build. I’m not seeing a lot of that. It looks like there are 1-2 builds per class then a large dropoff in efficiency. Things are still very new, but this is what I’ve seen after poking around thusfar and people could have missed things.
This is a pretty vocal community, but I’m not really seeing an outcry. Seems like there’s far more support than complaints, which is odd for these forums. I think there probably is less choice…but I like the choices I do have better.
There are a lot of studies that back up the idea that if people are given more choices they will be generally less happy with what they get at the end. Some people do like having more choices though.
You people have no idea what dumbed downed means or how to apply it. This update increases your actual choices. Less is more with MMO talents. Having a lot of talents just makes it a nightmare to balance, and most of it is false choice anyway. Now ArenaNet can balance each talent directly with only 2 others, rather than dozens of talents at once. If anything this change will increase the diversity of builds since you don’t have so many horrible traits.
Except for people who don’t give a kitten about their effectiveness and level of power and just wanted to have some fun, trying out a lot of different stuff.
Happily uninstalled. Finally. After 2 friggin’ years. Free.
For those people lots of new builds were just added because of the changes + “new” traits (semi combined/moved etc.) So…..for those people a bunch of new builds just opened up to play with. Like 100s of new ones.
For you you have a problem with the game of some other kind. Its fine. Move on. We don’t need your salt in the forums though.
I think that’s the point. This is an extremely casual mmorpg, off the top of my head I can’t think of another that comes close to this. The main content in GW2 is so easy that you can spam your way to victory.
I worked on map completion while holding my newborn daughter and was able to do it with one hand. I would literally walk with the mouse and when I approached the enemies I would move the cursor over to the skills and click on them. I’m not even sure I ever died once. This is the main meat of the game and I can do it with one hand.
Most mmorpgs are casual and this is one the most casual of them all. I have a strong feeling that the majority of players want simplicity and need to be guided into working builds. I seem to remember Anet talking about how some players never even allocated their trait points.
I think that’s one of the reasons I like the game too. It’s just a nice game to relax and do stuff. I don’t have the stress of competition, difficulty or complexity. I just run around doing stuff. I can play sub optimal builds because I find them fun, not because they are the best. The best isn’t needed for many things in the game.
I have been playing GW2 since it was released and have seen many original features nerfed or removed. There was multiple food buffs that worked over multiple attributes reduced to one food buff and then consumable potions handicapped by 30 minute usage timers. Now 5 flexible trait lines are reduced to 3 static ones! These are not welcome changes for veteran players who go a little deeper than the button mashing herd. I suspect that nature uses bio diversity for a reason and it makes for a more interesting world that does not require micro balancing of every aspect. Can I reload GW2 version 0001 please!
Time to move on was probably five minutes before posting that it was time to move on. If you were actually leaving, why oh why do you feel the need to announce it. It’s almost like you think you’re passing will impact the game or the community in some way. It will not. If you’re leaving, just leave. If you’re not leaving, then don’t be so dramatic.
Time to move on was probably five minutes before posting that it was time to move on. If you were actually leaving, why oh why do you feel the need to announce it. It’s almost like you think you’re passing will impact the game or the community in some way. It will not. If you’re leaving, just leave. If you’re not leaving, then don’t be so dramatic.
He might well have just basically been saying goodbye to some friends he has on the forums and at the same time he’s letting a-net know why he’s so displeased that he’s decided to quit. I see nothing wrong with it. Why do you seem to be so defensive of this game and/or update to the point where you feel the need to try and silence the voice of others?
You people have no idea what dumbed downed means or how to apply it. This update increases your actual choices. Less is more with MMO talents. Having a lot of talents just makes it a nightmare to balance, and most of it is false choice anyway. Now ArenaNet can balance each talent directly with only 2 others, rather than dozens of talents at once. If anything this change will increase the diversity of builds since you don’t have so many horrible traits.
This thread is hilariously ironic.
Thank you. I’m glad someone else recognizes this. We may have fewer combinations, but most of those old combinations were not something someone would realistically use. Now we have more interesting choices since more choices are useful.
Meta = I don’t want to play this game. How do I make it ungodly easy??
I’m confused. What happened to your other little post “So a non meta team did a better job in AC…”? Is the meta easier, or is it harder? You need to get your narrative straight.
Look, I get that you’re not skilled enough to play with zerk gear, and that makes you angry. It’s not for everyone, especially casual players like yourself. You don’t have to run up and down the forums complaining about how others play the game
