Guild Wars 2

Now let me start this off by saying I’m a fairly longtime player of the Guild Wars series; I’ve had considerable experience with both Anet and their products – this by no means makes me a “fanboy”, as some are so eager to toss out the accusation of. There were times where I loathed GW1, and I took a 2-year hiatus from it at one point out of disgust. So let’s leave an accusations of bias out of this, just this once.

As it happens, I tend to frequent a few online forums. As usual, debate is hot about GW2, it being fresh out of the gate, so to speak. I’ve seen good points made on both sides of arguments on why Guild Wars 2 is good and why it currently fails in some aspects. I tend to find myself agreeing with points on both sides. However, pervading this discourse, on almost every site on the Internet, is a torrid spew of utter vitriol the likes of which I have never before seen targetted at one game specifically. Forums which were once relatively free of such hate speech are now filled to the brim with mobs who seem to have nothing better to do than spew nonsense at anyone who passes by, and all but crucify those who profess themselves as admirers of the game.

This isn’t coherent arguing I’m talking about. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for those who address the flaws in Guild Wars 2 – I’m not blind to the fact that they exist. This being said, the people kittengurgitate the same blind, mindless hate on forums across the Internet are contributing nothing at all, and in fact are harming the game by dissuading people who are sitting on the fence about thi game, simply through the sheer amount of vitriol.

So I ask this: why do people feel it is necessary to act so foolishly in hatred of a game which, at maximum, hs drained them of a (refundable) $60 and a few hours of their time? As I said, the amount of hatred is astounding, and I’m simply wondering where this is coming from and why.

New generation of gamers.

Spoiled rotten by technology, anonymity, and devs that cave in to demands.

I can only see it getting worse with time. :/

It’s sad really, that people spew such hate and it prevents people who take their word for it from experiencing a game which they may actually enjoy. As it is though, I suppose the withdrawal of these players will only end up making the existing in-game community of better quality anyways.

No hatred from me. I respect other people’s decision to play this game, as is their right.

What I will say in reply to your post, whilst you are clearly not a fanboy or exhibiting any properties of fanboyism. There’s a massive amount of people who do the opposite of what you’re saying and give unreasonable and unquestioning love to the title here on this very forum.

The kind of blinded, wayward admiration I only see in the followers of faith healers and the like. Way more fervent than that though.

You try and critically, rationally and normally dicuss your perceived fault with their game and it quickly becomes ape poo city with them literally losing it with even reasonable arguments you try and put forward.

It’s equally as easy to make a complete counter-argument opposite to what you’re saying and this also provides a negative image of the game to those that are sitting on the fence, as you say.

So I ask this: why do people feel it is necessary to act so foolishly in love of a game, which at maximum, hs drained them of a (refundable) $60 and a few hours of their time. As I said, the amount of blind unquesitoning love is astounding, and I’m simply wondering where this is coming from and why.

It’s far from the one-sided picture you seem to be trying to paint here. Whilst salacious unecessary discrediting of a game is uncalled for and wrong…

Deluded, rose-tinted whiteknights that never allow you utter a word of any kind about their game are equally as unhealthy.

I don’t really get your point as it is as double-sided as a coin.

I can’t help but feel gamers have always been like this since the beginning, and now the technology is around to finally voice how they feel about stuff without fear of repercussion.
/2 cents

It’s certainly not a one-sided picture, as I said, and people who act blindly out of love for something can be harmful as well, but what really annoys me about the category of people I’m referring to is that they harmfully affect the community on a larger scale. At maximum, a diehard “fanboy” will severely alienate people who have already made up their minds of having a somewhat negative impression of the game. They do ruin legitimate discussions, and that is quite annoying, but it doesn’t come close to the harm that blindly hating people cause to the game.

Day after day I see prospective new players turned away simply because they’re afraid to try it due to the amount of hate. This really leaves everyone on a negative note and I really don’t see why these people feel the need to attempt to ruin something not only for themselves, but for others who might even like the game, given the chance to try it. This just strikes me as disappointing.

Ronin, you make me sad.

Your argument literally made me facepalm.

Lets look at the big picture!

(A) Release day all forums are raving about the game
(B) 1 week after release the game is sold out everywhere
( C ) 2 weeks after release bots are popping up everywhere, so Anet introduces DR and punishes all players to combat bots.
(D) 4 weeks after release bots are running wild people are reporting them left and right
(E) Week 5 the same bots are still there and now they have multiplied Anet has done nothing to ban them. People are sick and tired of the DR system and its not helping the bots. But rather its making the bot problem worse because now they need more bots to make the same amount of money.

And you wonder why people are bashing the game!

I just want to make note of the reverse, the amount of blind praise I see, brought on by an over abundance of marketing hype that doesn’t ring true in the game that has been digested and engorged by people who blindly buy into it is astounding.

but I wholeheartedly agree with the OP, these people, on both sides, who spew blind hate/praise do nothing but prevent people from forming actual arguments and kill good healthy discussion dead in the water, and it stops people who might enjoy the game from playing, and sometimes cons people who wouldn’t enjoy the game into purchasing.

Sin.8174:

New generation of gamers.

Spoiled rotten by technology, anonymity, and devs that cave in to demands.

I can only seeing it get worse with time. :/

Pretty much this. Anyone raging about the bugs in GW2 obviously haven’t been playing MMORPGs for long, as it’s a very common problem in MMORPGs.

Actually, GW2 has had a smoother start than a lot of other online games I’ve played over the last decade.

I remember on launch day of WoW (vanilla) the account management server was down for the first 6ish hours of the launch from midnight, so couldn’t even create my account and get online, and after that there was a lot of lags, bugs, server downtimes, class unbalances (remember rogues in vanilla wow? yeah).

AoC… People are complaining that they think GW2 was an unfinished game when they launched it… They obviously never played AoC at launch.

Aion, pretty much same as AoC, a severe lack of content at launch, as well as combat mechanics that were completely broken, severely unbalanced PvP due to some mechanics (aerial combat, ranged vs melee) and unbalanced classes.

Rift had a lot of bugs, lag and DC problems during the first week or so, and poorly balanced PvP.

For all of GW2s faults, I didn’t experience a whole lot of lag/DCs at launch. Some the first day, but it was quickly fixed. As for the PvP, it’s not completely balanced, but in MMORPGs it never really is. It’s pretty decent right now.
Don’t buy into all the whines about thieves, mesmers and warriors being OP. They’re just easier to faceroll newbs with, is all. Bad Greatsword Warrior > Bad <insert profession here>. Bad Greatsword Warrior < Good <insert profession here>.

PS: Before anyone starts screaming “omg you can say that ‘cos you’re probably playing those faceroll profs”. I play Necromancer.

Whiners are gonna whine. Ignore them.

EDIT: Regarding the DR to combat botting, that I think they could have done better. I personally play mostly tournament PvP, but the way the messed up the DR system for DEs and explorer dungeons is a little embarrassing. It’s my understanding, however, that they’re working on fixing them (the DR system for explorers is supposedly coming on the monday patch).

Most of the people the GW2 haters on this forum accuse of giving “unreasonable and unquestioning love” are simply people pointing out flaws in their arguments. I get accused of such “rampant fanboyism” pretty often simply for presenting a reasonable disagreement to what is more often than not unjustified hate towards the game.

I guess the moral of this story is that, if someone hates the game, don’t explain why their viewpoint’s wrong, or “ur a rabid fanboi”.

I’m simply saying it’s very very easy to make a total mirror argument to yours and it be as equally as damaging for the game.

It’s happening right now on the forum. Not in this thread as I always like reasonable discussion and you’re asking a valid question.

I’m not making some clever premise up to try and look clever. It’s really happening.

I can’t see how you would know for a fact that prospective players are being turned away or how you could even quantify such a thing.

However, I definitely agree that people talking ill of the game (where it’s unreasonable and unwarranted) in a public forum is definitely uncalled for. I would not do that.

That doesn’t mean you don’t have a balancing force that would swear blind the second coming of Jesus wasn’t a man, but a small box or digital download from ANet.

I’d also like this mental fanboyism to dry up as quickly as I’d like to see the people out to make a mockery of the game disappear.

At least the naysayers will get bored quickly and go somewhere else. The crazy deluded fanboy (and I am really NOT pointing fingers at anyone, but you all know what I mean) is here forever. Great.

Lesson to be leaned. Swtor was the last of the WoW clones. Gj “Haters”. GW2 will be the last game with such a simple ability system. Gj “Haters”.

Man if the ability system wasn’t so restrictive. You get choice in slotting 3 abilities?! wtf? I could overlook everything else.

DusK.3849:

Most of the people the GW2 haters on this forum accuse of giving “unreasonable and unquestioning love” are simply people pointing out flaws in their arguments. I get accused of such “rampant fanboyism” pretty often simply for presenting a reasonable disagreement to what is more often than not unjustified hate towards the game.

I guess the moral of this story is that, if someone hates the game, don’t explain why their viewpoint’s wrong, or “ur a rabid fanboi”.

No DusK I didn’t mean you but it was that kind of unecessary reaction you just made that I was talking about.

Thanks for going a small way to making the point for me.

I’ve never once accused anyone else of being a fanboy on this forum. It doesn’t mean they don’t exist and I can’t use the word or that I think that there unquestioning, unerring love can be such a bad thing.

I’ve been out-crazied and shouted-down totally unreasonably many times in many games by people who just can’t see that there’s problems or one kind or another, let alone admit they need to be fixed.

It’s as much a problem as people being nasty about it.

Oh look, I presented a reasonable viewpoint and I’m being called a fanboy.

Now who’s point is proven again?

As for qualitative evidence, I can’t produce numbers or statistics, but it seems every thread I’ve read in various locations where a prospective player asks whether or not this game is right for them instantly magnetizes all the hate-filled scum right to them. The thread inevitably ends with the prospective player not being told reasonably why the game may or may not be right for them, but coerced instead into rejecting the game. People who attempt to pierce the nonsense with reasonable discourse are drowned out or insulted to no end.

I’ve simply seen more cases of this than of rampant fanboyism in my experience, but I know that both exist, and both are harmful.

DusK.3849:

Most of the people the GW2 haters on this forum accuse of giving “unreasonable and unquestioning love” are simply people pointing out flaws in their arguments. I get accused of such “rampant fanboyism” pretty often simply for presenting a reasonable disagreement to what is more often than not unjustified hate towards the game.

I guess the moral of this story is that, if someone hates the game, don’t explain why their viewpoint’s wrong, or “ur a rabid fanboi”.

Totally agree here. I read the forums every night before bed, and every day before work. I know the usual suspects that post around here… and I’ve read your posts quite often. Your posts are normally on point, giving reasonable justifications, and staying level-headed. Then you see someone come in going ‘Pfft. Another fanboy!’

Like… really?

Anyone that likes the game, or tries to see things from another point of view is a fanboy I guess. I’m sick of the word. it’s overused and frankly.. reminds me of something you’d hear coming from the mouth of a nerdy cartoon character that’s fat, with a nasally voice, and a ponytail. It makes me deeply depressed for the ‘new’ generation to grow up next.

SgtSarcasm.1653:

Pretty much this. Anyone raging about the bugs in GW2 obviously haven’t been playing MMORPGs for long, as it’s a very common problem in MMORPGs.

^^^ This!

Anyone with any criticism about anything doesn’t know anything about anything.

DusK.3849:

Oh look, I presented a reasonable viewpoint and I’m being called a fanboy.

Now who’s point is proven again?

No you’re being crazy DusK. Sorry you are. You’re being unreasonable and crazy now and I don’t know why.

I said in the first line of that post “No DusK, I didn’t mean you.”

You immediately took “No, I didn’t mean you’re a fanboy” to mean “YOU’RE THE BIGGEST FANBOY IN THE WORLD.”

Why?

I’m trying to say I don’t think you’re being like that and you’re bringing the crazy out on me.

You made what I was saying about you in the first place. I didn’t. You made it apply to you, that because I was talking about people having blinding unquestioning love, that I must have been talking about you.

I wasn’t talking about you, I tried to make that much clear. If you think every imaginary person I talk about is you, then you obviously have some much deeper hang ups about this that I don’t know about and don’t really want to get into.

That’s what was unreasonable. Not the fact that – YOU THINK – I think you’re a fanboy, which I don’t and never would say.

Dial it down man, please.

Fine, fine. Have your big love-in thread. I won’t cramp your styles.

Sin and DusK’s most recent posts are the reason there’s such a divide here Vermillion, if you must ask.

It’s that kind of preciousness and sensitivity that breeds such highly strung posts. It’s right there for you to read.

I was talking as a generalization but in his head it was all about him. That ego-centric way of approaching a general conversation won’t ever allow for any normal form of discourse.

Have fun!

Lets be honest there this is not Anet’s first MMO. If they couldn’t for see the bot problem then they shouldn’t be a developer! Obviously they didn’t do enough beta testing with this game.

And when the crap hit the fan they pulled the same stupid move that the biggest IP in all video game history pulled. They introduced DR to the game and not only that but the DR they introduced is 100x more punishing then the DR in FFXIV.

The guy cleaning toilets would have told Anet that FFXIV was the worst flop in MMO history and that every lead developer was fired. If they would have asked.

Do I want this game to succeed? Heck yes! Do i think its fair people are bashing the game on ALL game forums. Heck yes! Anet is getting everything they deserve!

Had they handled the problem the proper way. You know hire a human bot banning team. The forums would be full of praise on how well Anet is handling the bots and gold sellers, Instead they used a sludge hammer to crack a egg!

Uh, Ronin, you made a post about how a lot of “fanboys” are doing the same damage to this game’s image as the smear campaign, I made a post noting that many people being accused of fanboys are not actually fanboys but are instead explaining the holes in many hater arguments, and you accused my post of being some example of what you were talking about.

Do you even realize that you proved my point by insisting that my rational, thought-out comment was an “unecessary reaction”? I guess a better question would be, how could you not realize it?

Sin.8174:

DusK.3849:

Most of the people the GW2 haters on this forum accuse of giving “unreasonable and unquestioning love” are simply people pointing out flaws in their arguments. I get accused of such “rampant fanboyism” pretty often simply for presenting a reasonable disagreement to what is more often than not unjustified hate towards the game.

I guess the moral of this story is that, if someone hates the game, don’t explain why their viewpoint’s wrong, or “ur a rabid fanboi”.

Totally agree here. I read the forums every night before bed, and every day before work. I know the usual suspects that post around here… and I’ve read your posts quite often. Your posts are normally on point, giving reasonable justifications, and staying level-headed. Then you see someone come in going ‘Pfft. Another fanboy!’

Like… really?

Anyone that likes the game, or tries to see things from another point of view is a fanboy I guess. I’m sick of the word. it’s overused and frankly.. reminds me of something you’d hear coming from the mouth of a nerdy cartoon character that’s fat, with a nasally voice, and a ponytail. It makes me deeply depressed for the ‘new’ generation to grow up next.

Dude!

The OP who is in favour of spreading the love for the game, quite rightly, is using the word fanboy from the very first post.

Didn’t you read it? He’s said it numerous times actually.

And I never used the word fanboy up until DusK went a little crazy. Not once. Read up above this and check.

So, the word I didn’t say but the OP, who is defense of this game, is over-used and sickening your hopes for the new generation is it?

Maybe you better take this up with Vermillion then. It seems to me it’s pefectly thing for him to say in this thread, if it’s making a point or opinion you agree with.

Well that’s unsurprising and not very interesting.

Ronin.8095:

And I never used the word fanboy up until DusK went a little crazy.

Ronin.8095:

I’d also like this mental fanboyism to dry up as quickly as I’d like to see the people out to make a mockery of the game disappear.

I’m sorry, you were saying?

DusK.3849:

Uh, Ronin, you made a post about how a lot of “fanboys” are doing the same damage to this game’s image as the smear campaign, I made a post noting that many people being accused of fanboys are not actually fanboys but are instead explaining the holes in many hater arguments, and you accused my post of being some example of what you were talking about.

Do you even realize that you proved my point by insisting that my rational, thought-out comment was an “unecessary reaction”? I guess a better question would be, how could you not realize it?

No you made a generalization I made about you. It’s right there in text on this page. You trying to refute that is not only incredibly infuriating but also quite bizarre. The OP is talking about fanboys and fanboyism right from the very start.

Read what’s being said. You’re not doing that.

Stop thinking and talking for me.

I was answering Vermillion, I wasn’t asking for your input or for you to be the living embodiment of any of my generalizations. I really don’t want that.

Please stop it now.

DusK.3849:

Ronin.8095:

And I never used the word fanboy up until DusK went a little crazy.

Ronin.8095:

I’d also like this mental fanboyism to dry up as quickly as I’d like to see the people out to make a mockery of the game disappear.

I’m sorry, you were saying?

Alright, I see I did use it once. I see that now. I stand corrected.

I used it probably as the OP did right from the get go. I see no one shooting him down in flames.

I tried to be reasonable from the start. It just doesn’t work.

It’s a totally futile act.

EDIT: I used the word “fanboyism” only and in the right context and not just as a generalization about all gamers who like the game, therefore in totally the right context.

You’re getting all agitated just because I said it. That’s still strange. It’s been said by many others.

You just chose to target me, for whatever reason.

I don’t stand corrected, now I’ve read what I said and if you read what I said, I definitely did not call anyone a fanboy, I spent all of my time not calling people fanboys.

You’re manipulative and you almost got away with it.

Read what I said. Other people will and see what I’m saying now is true.

Ronin.8095:

Sin.8174:

DusK.3849:

Most of the people the GW2 haters on this forum accuse of giving "unreasonable and unquestioning love" are simply people pointing out flaws in their arguments. I get accused of such "rampant fanboyism" pretty often simply for presenting a reasonable disagreement to what is more often than not unjustified hate towards the game.

I guess the moral of this story is that, if someone hates the game, don’t explain why their viewpoint’s wrong, or "ur a rabid fanboi".

Totally agree here. I read the forums every night before bed, and every day before work. I know the usual suspects that post around here... and I’ve read your posts quite often. Your posts are normally on point, giving reasonable justifications, and staying level-headed. Then you see someone come in going ’Pfft. Another fanboy!’

Like... really?

Anyone that likes the game, or tries to see things from another point of view is a fanboy I guess. I’m sick of the word. it’s overused and frankly.. reminds me of something you’d hear coming from the mouth of a nerdy cartoon character that’s fat, with a nasally voice, and a ponytail. It makes me deeply depressed for the ’new’ generation to grow up next.

Dude!

The OP who is in favour of spreading the love for the game, quite rightly, is using the word fanboy from the very first post.

Didn’t you read it? He’s said it numerous times actually.

And I never used the word fanboy up until DusK went a little crazy. Not once. Read up above this and check.

So, the word I *didn’t* say but the OP, who is defense of this game, is over-used and sickening your hopes for the new generation is it?

Maybe you better take this up with Vermillion then. It seems to me it’s pefectly thing for him to say in this thread, if it’s making a point or opinion you agree with.

Well that’s unsurprising and not very interesting.

I’m not talking about just you, or the Op. I’m talking about the raving lunatics in general.

To me, when someone comes into a thread and starts bashing on "fanboys"... it’s the equivalent of using the term ’That person’s such a [insert name for a famous fascist party during WW2]’. You know, ever heard of Godwin’s Law? To me, ’Fanboy’ is the new Godwin’s law.

Soulwatcher.2604:

Lets be honest there this is not Anet’s first MMO. If they couldn’t for see the bot problem then they shouldn’t be a developer! Obviously they didn’t do enough beta testing with this game.

And when the crap hit the fan they pulled the same stupid move that the biggest IP in all video game history pulled. They introduced DR to the game and not only that but the DR they introduced is 100x more punishing then the DR in FFXIV.

The guy cleaning toilets would have told Anet that FFXIV was the worst flop in MMO history and that every lead developer was fired. If they would have asked.

Do I want this game to succeed? Heck yes! Do i think its fair people are bashing the game on ALL game forums. Heck yes! Anet is getting everything they deserve!

Had they handled the problem the proper way. You know hire a human bot banning team. The forums would be full of praise on how well Anet is handling the bots and gold sellers, Instead they used a sludge hammer to crack a egg!

This^^

Having issues the first 1-3 months is a given. GW2 should have had a much bigger support/dev team vs under manned team. Now they are behind the curve and posting ads to hire more way too late in the game.

Im not upset at the fact that this game has issues. I’m upset that anet didnt plan for them better. How can you release an mmo knowing that the first 6 months are going to be hell? Had they spent a little more on the front in and hired more developers and maybe even live bot crew….things would have been much better.

I know a few guys who would jump at the chance to sit a comp all day for $12/hr and investigate/ban botters.

The customers LOVE seeing that stuff happen live too. There is nothing like a gm showing up quickitteno a ticket and seeing bots disco. Especially when they have a sense of humor about it and mess with them.

I honestly think they were trying to maximize profit and squeeze by. Then they got overwhelmed with more problems then they thought they could handle…hence the “now hiring” nonsense.

Talk about over-reaction on people’s part here to a word, even when people are trying to have a level-headed discussion about it.

This is why we can’t have nice things Vermillion.

You can see most of the reasons right here in your thread. Sad, isn’t it?

Sin.8174:

To me, ‘Fanboy’ is the new Godwin’s law.

Too true.

Look, I get it. There are people so in love with this game that they will throw reason to the wind and completely support certain aspects of the game that are broken. Really broken. But there’s a difference between those people and people who, like me, enjoy the game and simply see flaws in many people’s criticism of the game.

When you insist that any reasonable argument in favor of many of the things being criticized (DR system, combat, dungeon design, etc) is nothing more than fanboyism, your argument is the one that loses all credibility because you’re essentially resorting to framing.

Disagreement is fine. Calling someone who voices an intelligent opinion opposite to your own a “fanboy” or “white knight” isn’t.

lawl

Criticism causes some people to get defensive. If players have bad things to say about the game people shouldn’t be getting bent out of shape. You going to tell them they are wrong? Tell them to leave the game? Chastise them? Move on…

So… there are people being labeled fanboys and people being told “this game isnt for you, LEAVE!!”

Stop being so sensitive. This is like a forum of ex girlfriends.

robot

Criticism causes some people to get defensive.

As if any post with positivity isn’t met with the same reaction.

DusK.3849:

robot

Criticism causes some people to get defensive.

As if any post with positivity isn’t met with the same reaction.

There are no such threads.

You guys are bashing the crap out of each other for no reason. If Anet you know did what normal developers do. We all would be on here saying “MY GOD DID YOU SEE HOW MANY BOTS THEY BANNED!” There doing such a great job I never see a better developer.

But there ignoring the problem and tensions are high. Anet is the real problem here not each other!

robot.9134:

DusK.3849:

robot

Criticism causes some people to get defensive.

As if any post with positivity isn’t met with the same reaction.

There are no such threads.

ROFL

You gotta be trollin’. Dude, nearly every single comment with positivity towards this game is met with “ur a fanboy” or some other such swill. It’s in nearly every thread.

Should I give you some examples? There are tons on the first page alone. " The “This game killed wow” thread in particular is full of ’em.

War had a great campaign against botters…. they didnt just track them down and ban them….they made it a blood sport and publicly broadcasted the number of casualties.

It was great for customer confidence.

robot.9134:

War had a great campaign against botters…. they didnt just track them down and ban them….they made it a blood sport and publicly broadcasted the number of casualties.

It was great for customer confidence.

I totally agree Anet dropped the ball now everyone is up in arms. Had they followed through sales would be increasing and not decreasing!

People don’t go from praising the game and saying its the best thing since sliced bread to saying the game is total trash, Anet sucks yada yada yada unless you give them a reason to.

If you have people enjoying something, you will always have others telling them why the thing they enjoy sucks because they’re annoyed by the praise.

If only humans stopped talking to each other, things like this wouldn’t happen. Everyone could experience a new thing without a preconceived notion of X,Y,Z.

Soulwatcher.2604:

People don’t go from praising the game and saying its the best thing since sliced bread to saying the game is total trash, Anet sucks yada yada yada unless you give them a reason to.

But most of those reasons end up being “Ah mai gawd endgame is different” or “Ah mai gawd there’s no tank/heal/dps” or “Ah mai gawd the skills aren’t exactly like GW1” or “Ah mai gawd dungeons are too hard” or “Ah mai gawd nightcapping” or “Ah mai gawd, I can’t sit in one spot and tap 1 repeatedly for infinite money/mats anymore”.

Not exactly valid reasons imo.

So which “all the game forums” are talking bad about GW2? I have not seen much bad at all, besides the same few names that pop up repeatedly- saying the same broken record track all day long.

Vitriol? Hate speech? Trolls and “fanbois”? I have only tried one other MMO type game. You will notice that all the forums repeat the nearly the same exact word for word rubish. I have noticed that there is a core crowd of MMO player that loves boring repetition, be it in game play or in forum posting content.

Insert Wow panda expansion, TOR or any other MMO name into any of the negative commentary, it fits just the same.

The sales of the game, the excellent reviews and the number of happy players of GW2 paint the true story.

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

The sales of the game, the excellent reviews and the number of happy players of GW2 paint the true story.

Nope. Not at all. Only the forums are a reliable picture of the state of the game. Nothing else.

-Complainer logic

DusK.3849:

Soulwatcher.2604:

People don’t go from praising the game and saying its the best thing since sliced bread to saying the game is total trash, Anet sucks yada yada yada unless you give them a reason to.

But most of those reasons end up being “Ah mai gawd endgame is different” or “Ah mai gawd there’s no tank/heal/dps” or “Ah mai gawd the skills aren’t exactly like GW1” or “Ah mai gawd dungeons are too hard” or “Ah mai gawd nightcapping” or “Ah mai gawd, I can’t sit in one spot and tap 1 repeatedly for infinite money/mats anymore”.

Not exactly valid reasons imo.

Dusk if players were busy having fun in game they would be too busy to get on the forum and bash the game. But it’s kind of hard to have fun when 2 major problems are slapping you in the face every time you log in.

The solution is so simple and cost effective that its mind blowing that there not using it right now. Instead there blowing all this money on a bot detecting program that’s going to have a work around in 2 days tops.

People who write bot scripts make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year writing bot programs for all games. There not going to say “Good job Anet you got me!” Instead there going to be hard at work making the program undetectable again and where going to be back at square one!

Its going to be a never ending battle between the people who write bot scrips and the people who write Anet’s bot programs. Just think about this for a minute Blizzard makes 1,000 times more money than Anet in a year. And they cant rid WOW of bots there still everywhere. Whats going to make Anet different?

maybe someone should compile a list of posts that constitute feedback and/or discussion, and posts that are nothing more than blind hate/praise. it would just be nice if we had some sort of standard to differentiate, because it seems like some people think that someone with a different opinion on something that they personally enjoy is the same as blind hate/praise.

personally I try to give valid points and feedback, even to games I don’t enjoy (I posted a very large wall’o’txt on this very forum, I like to think it wasn’t just blind hate)

You give no specific examples of the kinds of unbased criticism the game is getting from people. If people are flat out lying and saying the only way to get legendary weapons is to buy them from the store, then yes, it’s a lie. If people are just very unhappy and telling people it’s a horrible experience and not to play it, I don’t think that’s someone spreading lies, they are just giving their opinion.

The game has many problems, massive flaws and in many areas the design philosophy becomes very close to the dark pits of MMO hell, let alone in line with the impression given by their manifesto and blog articles. People who might be putting across these views have good reason to be kitten off.

You didn’t give any clear examples of what kinds of things people are saying, it’s easily possible these people are perfectly accurate and fully entitled to say what they are saying.

Shiren

You give no specific examples of the kinds of unbased criticism the game is getting from people.

The whole “game’s dead already” stuff people keep posting is a good example. Xfire shows tens of thousands of Xfire users playing per day, most server pops are still either full or high, WvW queues are full constantly, LA overflows are happening more often than not, yet people still insist on claiming the game is dying.

Zoridium had a good idea, though it wouldn’t change anyone’s minds. Unreasonable people are unreasonable people. That’s really the bottom line.

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Shiren

You give no specific examples of the kinds of unbased criticism the game is getting from people.

The whole “game’s dead already” stuff people keep posting is a good example. Xfire shows tens of thousands of Xfire users playing per day, most server pops are still either full or high, WvW queues are full constantly, LA overflows are happening more often than not, yet people still insist on claiming the game is dying.

Zoridium had a good idea, though it wouldn’t change anyone’s minds. Unreasonable people are unreasonable people. That’s really the bottom line.

The game is not dead but it has peaked and where loosing players. The bad thing about loosing players it it has a ripple effect. The more people that quit makes their friends quit even faster. What fun is a game if non of your real live friends are playing it anymore and have moved on to other games?

Server experiences vary dramatically depending on what server you are on, what times you play and which zones you are in. I played through Metrica Province the other day for 15 levels and I only ran into two other people. That’s a long time to see no-one. For some people, a game four months old on a high populated server, that’s not a good sign. That person’s experience is the same as a dead game, whether other servers or other zones are completely fine.

I don’t think the game is dead or remotely close, but I can see how many people’s experience is exactly the same as a dead game based on those factors. ArenaNet should probably manage those issues better (no more individual server maps, all areas are shared servers to maximise player distribution – it’s going to be a sad levelling experience for a lot of people otherwise). Much of the criticism is founded in solid experiences from players, not just unhappy liars. People’s posts are reflecting their personal experiences with the game, many of them are unpleasant and unlike other peoples (like the dungeon token DR bug which is only hit some people).

Welcome to the Internet. People have opinions, post on forums, get trolled, get angry, post angry posts, etc.

It’s a lot like the Ford versus Chevy debates. Ford versus Chevy debates are stupid cause everyone knows Fords are superior to Chevys.