Guild Wars 2

Oniyui.8279:

On top of the micro tools rangers have for pets, I also run a Jag. Drops unwanted aggro completely by going in stealth.

. . . I never considered that one. I generally run Black Widow and Wolf. The Wolf has a knockdown and the fear howl, the Black Widow can immobilize a target and stacks poison. All of which are more useful to me while doing solo-play than bear longevity, and most of those things are useful in group situations.

It’s not the hyena, which comes with free sidekick . . . or the one moa with the buff screech, but that’s okay.

Gbok.1039:

Phoenixlin.8624:

A waste of wall of text.

Rangers with pets are bad for lane 2’s boss, there is no exception. Elementalists with an elemental also bad for this lane; but still elementalists > rangers ^^

This is a complete lie.

I have done Lane two boss with 3 rangers inside and was the second group with their kill at 50 secs left.

It has nothing to do with rangers.

I did lane 2 with x many rangers and my lane failed it every single time. Your single example does not change the fact that rangers with PETs suck in lane 2.

When I see rangers, I think to myself… “It’s too bad there isn’t pvp in pve. I hate pvp but I’d sure love to kill every ranger I see.” No I am kidding but most people HATE rangers, I just find playing a ranger frustrating your LB/SB aren’t that great despite that they advertise them as such when you make one. The pets still have that laughable outdated family tree crap which gimps 90% of them so people use the same junk pets. And the sword that roots you in combat.

again got a win this time on home server. 3 of us rangers in my circle on boss 2, chain was broken, we where definitely not the last to kill the boss and break the mechanism. No problem with the profession just with people.

Three of the most common reasons why marionette fails
-Rangers who refuse to put their pet on passive
-Casual/bad players thinkings they can just afk zerg champs and not read mechanics
-Platforms end up with <3 players.

Vol.7601:

Three of the most common reasons why marionette fails
-Rangers who refuse to put their pet on passive
-Casual/bad players thinkings they can just afk zerg champs and not read mechanics
-Platforms end up with <3 players.

-you spawn right in the middle of orange circles.

That’s because these people fail to understand one thing: pets can be set to “passive” mode, which means they will not tank anything, just follow you wherever you go. This works perfectly fine.
Just don’t mind the idiots. Most of the gw2 community are idiots: both the people who don’t know kitten about ranger mechanics and the rangers who are too ignorant to set pets on “passive” mode.

Phoenixlin.8624:

Gbok.1039:

Phoenixlin.8624:

A waste of wall of text.

Rangers with pets are bad for lane 2’s boss, there is no exception. Elementalists with an elemental also bad for this lane; but still elementalists > rangers ^^

This is a complete lie.

I have done Lane two boss with 3 rangers inside and was the second group with their kill at 50 secs left.

It has nothing to do with rangers.

I did lane 2 with x many rangers and my lane failed it every single time. Your single example does not change the fact that rangers with PETs suck in lane 2.

Um, it shows that with competent players you can complete the champs with ay classes and any comp.

I think that is directly to the point of the thread. I am sorry if your group failed but again, it has nothing to do with the class they are playing.

If you cannot see that then I am sorry but that is the fact.

The ranger is fine if it is played by a skilled player. I’ve taken my ranger on marionette plenty of times and never once has anyone said anything derogatory to me, regardless of passing or failing a platform.

Run spotter, traited spirits (increased proc chance and spirits unbound) X/war horn or whatever weapon is appropriate for the situation. Keep the pet on passive when fighting champs and send them in when you can. Pets have to be swapped depending on the situation, for the marionette I run the jungle stalker and red moa to keep might/fury rolling for my group.

Not terribly difficult but you do have to “work” more than other classes.

Ranger is fine if the player knows what they’re doing. ANY class is fine if the player knows what they’re doing. And every class can be a problem if the players don’t know what they’re doing.

The only “hate” towards Rangers I’ve seen on my server is a polite request (once only) that Rangers keep their pets on passive. So I don’t think everyone hates Rangers. They just get overly frustrated (it IS heartbreaking to have waited two hours for an event for only one or two chains to get severed) and take it out on the thing that’s closest, or the one person they noticed doing something wrong and they broaden that out to include everyone remotely related, like playing the same class etc.

If a high level ranger joined my group and didn’t know how to hit the button that makes your pet not screw up everything, I imagine I’d be slightly irritated as well. I don’t know that I’d extend that to “rangers suck” but I might say something like “you should hit that button that makes your pet not screw up everything, <expletive>.”

Warkupo.1025:

If a high level ranger joined my group and didn’t know how to hit the button that makes your pet not screw up everything, I imagine I’d be slightly irritated as well. I don’t know that I’d extend that to “rangers suck” but I might say something like “you should hit that button that makes your pet not screw up everything, <expletive>.”

Or leave out the expletive and just explain if they don’t know? Why would you be aggressive about it. Just ask them politely if they wouldn’t mind putting their pet on passive as it causes issues with the boss fights. If they ask how, just tell them. What’s hard about that?

If they get aggressive, sure, be aggressive back (though I would still suggest not, since it rarely resolves anything). But if they just don’t know something, then what’s the problem?

Gbok.1039:

Phoenixlin.8624:

Gbok.1039:

Phoenixlin.8624:

A waste of wall of text.

Rangers with pets are bad for lane 2’s boss, there is no exception. Elementalists with an elemental also bad for this lane; but still elementalists > rangers ^^

This is a complete lie.

I have done Lane two boss with 3 rangers inside and was the second group with their kill at 50 secs left.

It has nothing to do with rangers.

I did lane 2 with x many rangers and my lane failed it every single time. Your single example does not change the fact that rangers with PETs suck in lane 2.

Um, it shows that with competent players you can complete the champs with ay classes and any comp.

I think that is directly to the point of the thread. I am sorry if your group failed but again, it has nothing to do with the class they are playing.

If you cannot see that then I am sorry but that is the fact.

^ This. A ranger that knows how to play his/her toon well and sets the pet to passive can be just as effective as any other class. And Gboks example does indeed show that rangers are not the problem, but the people playing them. But that is no different than any other class. I have see platforms on boss 2 fail with no rangers or necros in sight. Again, it has nothing to do with the class, just the people playing them.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Warkupo.1025:

If a high level ranger joined my group and didn’t know how to hit the button that makes your pet not screw up everything, I imagine I’d be slightly irritated as well. I don’t know that I’d extend that to “rangers suck” but I might say something like “you should hit that button that makes your pet not screw up everything, <expletive>.”

Or leave out the expletive and just explain if they don’t know? Why would you be aggressive about it. Just ask them politely if they wouldn’t mind putting their pet on passive as it causes issues with the boss fights. If they ask how, just tell them. What’s hard about that?

If they get aggressive, sure, be aggressive back (though I would still suggest not, since it rarely resolves anything). But if they just don’t know something, then what’s the problem?

I am not a saint, and I expect someone who is level 80 to have a certain amount of understanding about their own class’s mechanics. If I’m frustrated with you I might try to be polite, I might also be frustrated with you. Especially when this is the fifth or sixth time I’ve had to explain it.

If you don’t know what you’re doing and you ask me BEFORE the mission has failed I am usually happy to explain it to you. In great detail. Greater detail than you are possibly ready for. If you wait until I am repeatedly screaming at you in the middle of combat, then you kind of deserve to be yelled at.

Chokolata.1870:

a well played ranger is godmode, sadly most people just dont care enough to play properly and play as they want.

Not in this scenario they’re not. And that said as someone who brings a ranger to the puppet-party.

jheryn.8390:

^ This. A ranger that knows how to play his/her toon well and sets the pet to passive can be just as effective as any other class.

Or as effective as any other class if it has a 25-30% DPS handicap being applied to it.

They aren’t inherently terrible – excellent play can offset the class mechanic being nothing but a dead weight, but its really about time ANet made some improvements/changes to Rangers that allowed them to dispel the cloud they labor under.

Charak.9761:

Rangers have the lowest dps of the 8 profession.

why are you even there on a ranger when its zerker content.

Wrong, please show up w/facts.

I have done this plenty of times on my ranger, not once going down (not sure how players get downed in the first place during this phase), and not once failing a platform either. What’s so hard about “passive” pet anyhow? Soon as the Warden floats into a bomb send the pet in, recall prior to end of burn, kite again into bombs.

Love seeing those Wars 100blade the air w/leet dps from my already finished platform w/a minute to go.

Not exactly hardmode content.

Ranger pets rocked my lane 2 boss with kiting. Rangers can set their pet on F3 then F1 back and forth I normally have my ranger rocking the sword and dagger on the Kane boss. Then switch back to long now for lane covers

Please stop saying “I can do it!” or “I saw it happen once” and so on.

The point is that rangers in general are plagued by bad players. Players that learned bad habits due to the class mechanics and game mechanics teaching them things like use your pet to tank and stand in one spot and shoot from max range and if the enemy looks at you sideways run around like a chicken with your head cut off.

So yeah, you might be the best ranger in the world. You might have seen a platform of 5 rangers down the warden, but that’s the exceptions.

Same thing with guardians and tanking warden 3. It’s quite possible to do. I do it when I face that warden. But others just plain can’t do it because they never learned how to utilize active defense properly.

No. No, it’s not the exception. It’s PERception, if anything. People tend to remember the unfortunate incidents way better and more accurately than those where everything went smoothly. Those go unnoticed, sadly.
Look it up, this is a thing.

It’s also quite nasty to just assume that everyone who plays a ranger sucks at it until they prove outstanding battle skills to you, specifically. Would you be okay with it when I assume you suck because you play a guardian until you prove to me multiple times under several different circumstances that you don’t? No? Thought so.

Point is, you think your experiences are more valid than someone else’s. They are not.

*says the sylvari ranger who downs 9 out of 10 wardens* Just to add MY experiences to the myriad of other people’s because I can.

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

I would be okay with it if the general consensus was that guardians suck. Generalities exist for a reason. They aren’t pulled out of thin air. They have a modicum of truth behind them.

Rangers as a class have this modicum of truth because of the class and game mechanics providing a breeding ground for bad gameplay basics.

I’m having a great time playing my ranger. I am no where near the best ranger there is but I do understand that there are plenty of players out there who do not play them very well.

Yes, the reason those generalities exist is perception. Bad warriors, elementalists, engineers and whatnot are also abundant, just less obvious. It may be easier to play badly with a ranger when in a group where it is vital to use skills and options you normally don’t pay attention to, I agree with you there. My problem is the general assumption that “I play a ranger so I must suck at this game”. Being wary of a class because of bad personal experiences – fine. Publicly demonising a whole class and its players with it (which is the real issue here), making it seem like every single person playing that class is a nitwit with no clue how to play the game – not cool. That’s what I’m saying. Well, that and that nowhere near as many ranger players “suck” as you make it seem.

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

You do realize that rangers are not the only ones that have knockbacks right?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that you have never seen or even believe that another class could have used a knockback to push the target back…..ever?

This is the real issue here… For some ungodly reason people think that only rangers suck at this game which is just ignorant and silly to even think.

MachineManXX.9746:

Nurgle.6597:

Chokolata.1870:

a well played ranger is godmode, sadly most people just dont care enough to play properly and play as they want.

lol god mode against what? ambient creatures?

You show your lack of understanding of what a good Ranger can do.

The Ranger was god-mode in Guild Wars 1. I could take on 2-4 people in PvP.

The Ranger is a meat-shield for all of the other classes in Guild Wars 2. So, it’s not completely useless. I can throw myself at the enemy and hope I don’t die in one hit.

Nike.2631:

jheryn.8390:

^ This. A ranger that knows how to play his/her toon well and sets the pet to passive can be just as effective as any other class.

Or as effective as any other class if it has a 25-30% DPS handicap being applied to it.

They aren’t inherently terrible – excellent play can offset the class mechanic being nothing but a dead weight, but its really about time ANet made some improvements/changes to Rangers that allowed them to dispel the cloud they labor under.

Agreed. Anet is the one who needs to improve the class, but still a good player on a ranger is still better than a terrible player on any other class. I’ve seen rangers still standing finishing off the champs when the others around him/her have died.

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

Knockback is pretty good for pushing mobs into a stack, and I’d imagine another player in WvW as well. It’s the only time I use it when grouped.

I often see rangers- my very first Marionette a Ranger’s pet ressed me.

Tonight I took my sb.lb Ranger with my raven/eagle pet- we had an almost flawless victory in a random overflow.
On my platform everyone was down because we had bomb warden and spawned in Mari Aoe.
my pet ressed me- I ressed one other guy- the rest was dead
We took down our champ and our gate
our chain was cut.

Gbok.1039:

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

You do realize that rangers are not the only ones that have knockbacks right?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that you have never seen or even believe that another class could have used a knockback to push the target back…..ever?

This is the real issue here… For some ungodly reason people think that only rangers suck at this game which is just ignorant and silly to even think.

knockback != knockdown. i don’t mind knockdown. it simply.. knocks them down. it doesn’t blow them out of range of an aoe or burst skill. this discussion was about rangers, and not mesmer (gs 5), necro (fear), thief (scorpion wire), ele(the especially annoying updraft), guardian (banish) and engineer (B.O.B). knockbacks are fine in large zergs when there is so much ridiculous aoe damage that all it does is get your target killed quicker, but not in pve or roaming in <5 man groups. guardian gs pull is infinitely more useful for clumping mobs than point blank shot is.

zenleto.6179:

Knockback is pretty good for pushing mobs into a stack, and I’d imagine another player in WvW as well. It’s the only time I use it when grouped.

Knockback is an excellent control for small/large scale fights, especially in PvE. Wars/Guards battling it out with a champ, and you then can use knockback to control the additional mobs that might be involved. If they aggro the main group, knock them out of range of the stack. If they aren’t aggro’d to the stack, knock them into it and watch them melt.
Many rangers, however, tend to use solo tactics in group settings. That is their choice though. :shrug:

As for ranger hate, I don’t think it’s hate towards a specific class that is the problem in GW2. It’s elitist hate. It’s massive egos trying to compensate for who-knows-what by belittling, disparaging, and generally degrading anyone who doesn’t play exactly as they do.

zenleto.6179:

Spicyhash.7605:

I don’t like playing with rangers because of point blank shot. They use this whenever it is off cooldown – knocking foes out of AoE or skills like hundred blades/other high burst skills. The only rangers I like playing with are sword/whatever because they have no skills that can really interrupt the flow of battle. Knockbacks should never be used in small group roaming or in PvE.

Knockback is pretty good for pushing mobs into a stack, and I’d imagine another player in WvW as well. It’s the only time I use it when grouped.

I also abhor Point Blank Shot, for similar reasons. I know why it’s on the LB bar — because of the counter-intuitive LB #1 mechanic of damage increasing with distance. PB Shot serves to move a target that is advancing toward the ranger and move it back into higher-damage range. It’s also a decent interrupt.

That said, when I see a ranger use PB Shot, then move into melee with his target, still using the LB, I know something is wrong.

ellesee.8297:

i’d play ranger if the sword didn’t root you in place. the sword is so good but god it’s just too annoying to play. but yeah spotter and frost spirit are pretty good buffs to party dps. dumb elitists are just dumb.

If they can fix the auto attack chain of the rangers sword it would go a long way to helping their viability. It does really good damage but I get killed by being locked in place so much that it just gets infuriating. Sure you can turn the auto attack option off but if I want to spam my 1 button I will play my engineer and throw bombs at people.

Longbow is a fine weapon when used correctly and in fights where the range is useful. But as with many weapons it is not a one size fits all tool.

I love rangers, I don’t see much hate on them anymore unless it’s about bearbow rangers – which I do still see; This talk about rangers & the marionette event failing all that, I’ve yet to really see. But People always love to blame somebody, even if there weren’t rangers at an event I’m sure people would still blame the rangers. Or even if every ranger had their pet on passive, others would still say that the rangers pet prevents them from succeeding. Sad. That must be a form of new strategy, blaming others instead of actually coming up with plans.

The only reason people complain about Rangers is because they themselves are terrible at playing them. They immediately think they are useless because they aren’t easy mode (which they aren’t). The Ranger, IMO, is the hardest class to play, so of course to be effective, it takes a lot of skill and patience.

In the hands of the right player, they are one of the hardest hitting classes in the game, even with the pet sitting beside them like a side table. Aside from a thief, I have an 80 warrior and necro, all geared and spec’d for pure dps. My ranger out dps’s them both in burst and in sustained damage by 25% (with the pet on passive). Now, can everyone do that? Obviously not, judging by the “they are the worst dps class in the game” comments. Which brings me to my next point below..

I have a thief, I find thieves damage to be sub par compared to other classes. Does that mean that thieves suck at dps? Or is it more of a case that I suck at playing a thief?

I havn’t done the new boss content yet and have no plan to until people have calmed down and stopped complaining.

DeadlySynz.3471:

The only reason people complain about Rangers is because they themselves are terrible at playing them. They immediately think they are useless because they aren’t easy mode (which they aren’t). The Ranger, IMO, is the hardest class to play, so of course to be effective, it takes a lot of skill and patience.

This is such a bad attitude to have. People have had this mindset for years, though. If you don’t like something, you either can’t afford it or you’re bad at it. What does a ranger using point blank shot whenever it is off cooldown, regardless of the situation, have to do with me being bad at player the class? Are you kidding me? I’m bad because the other person is bad and inconsiderate?

DeadlySynz.3471:

In the hands of the right player, they are one of the hardest hitting classes in the game

No, any class wearing full zerker and specced for DPS can be the hardest hitting in the game.

10k zealots fire, 10k fire grab/churning earth/dragons tooth, 15k backstab, 10k+ rapid fire, 10k+ arcing arrow, 15k+ kill shot, 8k life blast, that dumb engineer pull/blunderbuss combo, mesmer shatter, and so on. All of these are achievable by anyone as long as they meet certain crit dmg/power levels. Has nothing to do with how good someone is. A good player will come out on top of the fight regardless of what class/build they are playing.

Spicyhash.7605:

I’m bad because the other person is bad and inconsiderate?
[…]
A good player will come out on top of the fight regardless of what class/build they are playing.

That right there is the entire point of this conversation! It’s about the snide comments and “change char or gtfo!” mindset present in the mapchats that claim ALL rangers are bad, period, and you arguing that’s not true makes you a moron, no matter how sound your arguments are.
We’re not denying there are bad rangers out there. We’re just sick of people hating on rangers just ’cause, and of being dismissed and looked down upon solely based on the icon next to our picture.

There’s bad players on every class. It’s just easier to notice a bad Ranger not controlling their pet. People love to blame someone else for their failures. If you die it’s not because someone in your group didn’t do this or that, it’s you behind your keyboard, not them. Suck it up and drive on.

Chasind.3128:

I love rangers, I don’t see much hate on them anymore unless it’s about bearbow rangers – which I do still see; This talk about rangers & the marionette event failing all that, I’ve yet to really see. But People always love to blame somebody, even if there weren’t rangers at an event I’m sure people would still blame the rangers. Or even if every ranger had their pet on passive, others would still say that the rangers pet prevents them from succeeding. Sad. That must be a form of new strategy, blaming others instead of actually coming up with plans.

There’s nothing new about it, although the blamee and the particulars might change. This strategy has been used in every MMO out there, in any kind of encounter involving more than one player. I cannot count the times that — as the healer — I was at fault because a DPS did not move out of fire and died.

Sorry… I will always prefer any one of the other 7 professions over ranger when doing anything as a group. Usually the people defending pve ranger have yet to play the other classes up to 80, or are generally terrible at the game and are using terrible builds on all their characters.

There is nothing a ranger can do that another class cannot do better.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Usually the people defending pve ranger have yet to play the other classes up to 80, or are generally terrible at the game and are using terrible builds on all their characters.

Yeah… no to both. Unless you are one of those “If you don’t run a full zerker build and gear you’re worthless as a player and should terminate your account” people. Then probably yes to the second. But a proud “kitten yes!” regardless :P
Seriously, what’s wrong with you people? You seem unable to admit that a) people can have fun playing anything but a zerker char, and b) that failing an event can NOT be blamed on a single person or group just because that person or group happens to be X. You’d like the world to be that simple, but it isn’t. I’m afraid to think about how horribly judgmental you are outside the protective, anonymous MMO environment.

What are these Spotter and Frost Spirit skills I keep hearing about? Do rangers actually have these?

Put pet on passive

/thread

No Walking.6349:

Put pet on passive

/thread

applauds

Sadly, it seems more like “put ranger on passive” to some people :/

DaShi.1368:

What are these Spotter and Frost Spirit skills I keep hearing about? Do rangers actually have these?

Unless you’re being ironic: Spotter’s a trait and yes, the Frost Spirit exists ;P

As others have mentioned, it’s a player problem, not a profession problem. Rangers with pets do perfectly fine on all of the platforms as long as they know how to control their pet.

Has your pet tanked Warden 1 against the wall so nobody can hit it from behind? Recall or swap your pet.

Has Warden 2 aggroed onto your pet and it’s just standing there? Recall or set your pet on passive and lure it around into the mines, then attack again once it’s stunned.

Rangers who don’t know how to control their pets aren’t any different from, say, the Guardian who does nothing but auto-attack with Staff 1 and Empower, or the Warrior who gets 10 stacks of Confusion on himself and continues to attack with Hundred Blades until he explodes. It’s all about awareness and knowing what is the right thing to do at the right time.

Dawdler.8521:

When I went in and faced the can-only-hit-rear boss we almost failed the entire chain sequence because of one bloody ranger.

His bear was on the champ, and it was against the side of the platform. No way for us to do damage. That kittening bear… After a while the ranger was smart enough to pull him back, made it with 2 bloody seconds to spare.

Rangers are just kitten . Still think they should get this skill:

“Mercy kill”
You whisper sweet nothings into the ear of your of your pet while slowly slicing its throat. Gain +20% damage via a buff called “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”.

LMAO, love this mercy kill idea! I would so use this in 1 of my utility slots! Thanks for the laughs

DaShi.1368:

What are these Spotter and Frost Spirit skills I keep hearing about? Do rangers actually have these?

Not sure if serious… but,

Frost Spirit is a 3-point ranger skill that provides a 35 percent chance for party members to do 10% more damage. Spotter is a Master trait in the Marksmanship line that adds precision (150 at 80) to allies. If the ranger is bear-bowing in your dungeon group, you probably won’t notice either contribution — if he even has them.

Well this thread settles it, I was doing Mari on ele, but now I’m going to do it on ranger from here on.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Sorry… I will always prefer any one of the other 7 professions over ranger when doing anything as a group. Usually the people defending pve ranger have yet to play the other classes up to 80, or are generally terrible at the game and are using terrible builds on all their characters.

There is nothing a ranger can do that another class cannot do better.

Yes, but I find:

- I can’t manage playing a Thief well enough to feel like I’m doing it right.

- Warrior gets boring and I’m convinced by not using a greatsword I’m never going to “be useful”.

- I cannot, and never have, been able to stand playing an Elementalist or Necromancer.

- Mesmers have a lot of weird gimmicks in either game, and I don’t feel right using them. I like them, but I recognize I can’t use one to the best I can.

- I haven’t really tried Engineer but then I hear that’s even worse than Ranger as far as group content goes.

- Playing my Guardian makes me pine for my old Smite Monk. Ray of Judgement was awesome and I miss it.

Most of these people who moan about rangers do so because of things they hear and rarely make their own minds up or even know the reasons some people consider it inferior. There is nothing wrong with them, and as some people have mentioned they have very useful attributes. I love playing my ranger and don’t see any problems really. They could do with some TLC for sure but they’re not the disaster zone they’re made out to be (:

I’ve seen the map chat regarding rangers, and yeah, it’s not nice, and it isn’t really helpful either. It would be more constructive if commanders, or anyone really, could let those who don’t know the in and outs of the boss encounters what to do with their pets/ minions etc., BEFORE the fight begins.

Too much vitriol in map chat, in general, has ruined this event for me.