Guild Wars 2

Into removing content. Removing bundles. Slashing the story. Crippling the old, favourite hearts, destroying any kind of soul they used to have. Introducing gating, because of course, when you stumble upon something later, you’ll learn it faster. Obvious.

I bought more gems than I care to admit. A LOT. For me and my girl. Not buying a single one, ever, if the destroyed, crippled, simplified to the point of grief portions of content are not restored to their previous state.

I was paying for making the game worse. Cute.

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To be absolutely fair here, every change that is made to the game (whether you approve of it or not) needs to be done by the developers. Every single little thing makes time and effort, and that takes money.

So, when you’re buying gems, you’re not putting money into some soulless computer. You’re putting money in the pockets of all the developers and technicians it takes to keep the servers running, keep fixing bugs, keep filing support tickets, keep making all the changes to the coding…

Sensationalism is one thing, but keep in mind that every cent you complain about spending is going to put food into peoples’ stomachs and a roof over their head. Even if no changes were made, you’d still be paying the people who just keep the day-to-day running. So, watch what you say when you complain like this, because the implications are often deeper than you realize.

Well, I’ve realized they received more than enough of my money. If the changes keep going this way, the thing may as well burn and crash, together with the company, I so do not care.

I think the more obvious problem is that there were significant bugs staggering gameplay, but instead they focused on ‘fixing’ the things that no one had a problem with

Asmodeus.5782:

Well, I’ve realized they received more than enough of my money. If the changes keep going this way, the thing may as well burn and crash, together with the company, I so do not care.

Again, though you might not personally care for the changes, I feel some of the things you’re saying are a bit on the extreme side of the spectrum.

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

You know, Shadow, when after about 20 years of gaming and 6 of working in the gaming industry you finally find such a pearl of MMORPGs that it replaces Ultima Online for you and see it being ripped apart by some nonsensical corporate decisions, you’re bound to get vexed.

Asmodeus.5782:

You know, Shadow, when after about 20 years of gaming and 6 of working in the gaming industry you finally find such a pearl of MMORPGs that it replaces Ultima Online for you and see it being ripped apart by some nonsensical corporate decisions, you’re bound to get vexed.

So, with your 6 years of experience in the field, how would you feel if someone said this about one of your projects? That they wished it would crash and burn along with the rest of your company, you included?

I’d probably get sad and try never to screw up things that badly again.

Asmodeus.5782:

Well, I’ve realized they received more than enough of my money. If the changes keep going this way, the thing may as well burn and crash, together with the company, I so do not care.

You obviously care.. enough to make this thread full of tears

Question : How much did you spend on gems? Is that amount greater or equal to the amount of fun you have had in this game?

You will be replaced by the slow, steady and weak stream of new players who never experienced the original setup but will purchase outfits, armor styles, hair kits and the ever popular gambling mode of Black Lion Keys.

Truth.

Asmodeus.5782:

Into removing content. Removing bundles. Slashing the story. Crippling the old, favourite hearts, destroying any kind of soul they used to have. Introducing gating, because of course, when you stumble upon something later, you’ll learn it faster. Obvious.

I bought more gems than I care to admit. A LOT. For me and my girl. Not buying a single one, ever, if the destroyed, crippled, simplified to the point of grief portions of content are not restored to their previous state.

I was paying for making the game worse. Cute.

To be hones, GW2 was kittened up right from the beginning…

The thing is once you are lvl 80 you realise how bad the game is until max lvl its “ok” compared to GW1 where the game starts with max lvl GW2 ends with max lvl.

And since there is nothing to do besides grinding gold to convert it into gems to buy skins which is NOT ENDGAME seriously creating super fanzy fashion is not an endgame for an rpg mmo whatever.

And if you say try pvp wvw etc.

PVP unbalanced
WVW zerging WOOOW
other pve content is VERY EASY and ye sorry for not doing dungeon XY 360 times a year….

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A bit of a misinterpretation there, Narko, I do not care if they crash, so I can easily shout out to people to stop buying gems. Work on your ‘lawyering’ skills.

All in all it was about 60k gems shared between two of us, I think. Maybe more. I projected the fun to last somewhat longer and not get smothered by the frustration of the megaserver and the NPE combined.

Olvendred.3027:

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

I heard this too. Can a third confirm and comment on the features of the facility?

jweez.7214:

Olvendred.3027:

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

I heard this too. Can a third confirm and comment on the features of the facility?

Absolutely. They have sharks with laser beams!

Asmodeus.5782:

A bit of a misinterpretation there, I do not care if they crash, so I can easily shout out to people to stop buying gems. Work on your ‘lawyering’ skills.

All in all it was about 60k gems shared between two of us, I think. Maybe more. I projected the fun to last somewhat longer and not get smothered by the frustration of the megaserver and the NPE combined.

That sucks buddy. I do sympathize with you on feeling like you are putting money into the game to get a better tomorrow and feel every update skips on what you actually want. Keep in mind that anet has a wide player base all wishing for different things.

I hope they add your type of content into the game soon.

Yargesh.4965:

jweez.7214:

Olvendred.3027:

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

I heard this too. Can a third confirm and comment on the features of the facility?

Absolutely. They have sharks with laser beams!

Didn’t you hear? The sharks were too expensive. They decided to go with piranhas instead.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

Yargesh.4965:

jweez.7214:

Olvendred.3027:

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

I heard this too. Can a third confirm and comment on the features of the facility?

Absolutely. They have sharks with laser beams!

Didn’t you hear? The sharks were too expensive. They decided to go with piranhas instead.

Darn, always liked the shark with laser bit.

jweez.7214:

Asmodeus.5782:

A bit of a misinterpretation there, I do not care if they crash, so I can easily shout out to people to stop buying gems. Work on your ‘lawyering’ skills.

All in all it was about 60k gems shared between two of us, I think. Maybe more. I projected the fun to last somewhat longer and not get smothered by the frustration of the megaserver and the NPE combined.

That sucks buddy. I do sympathize with you on feeling like you are putting money into the game to get a better tomorrow and feel every update skips on what you actually want. Keep in mind that anet has a wide player base all wishing for different things.

I hope they add your type of content into the game soon.

I have the problem with this kind of mentality, actually. “I like the game, but it could be better. I’m gonna shovel a ton of money into the game to support it, so they’re able to make better content!!”

Never, never pay money for a game because of how you want/expect it to turn out. Pay money for what the game is right now. If you liked the game enough to spend some money on it, great. But don’t shell out thousands of dollars just waiting for it to get better. Chances are good that it will never turn out how you wanted.

The method I use? I’ll pre-order a game if I have a feeling I’m really gonna like it and want to support the company (did it with Rift, GW2, ToR, and a few others). I’ll play the game for a while, and if I had a lot of fun, I’ll pitch in and buy some currency. Every time a patch launches with changes I really like, I’ll toss in a bit more money, usually the lowest tier of purchasable currency.

It’s cheaper than paying a monthly subscription MMO, the company is still getting money for their efforts, and I’m getting some goodies out of it. Plus, I’m not bankrupting myself on “what might have been”, so there’s nothing for me to get disappointed about down the line.

That volcano base thing would kind of explain the removal of the shark from the Metrica lake.

About the paying thing: you must admit it was kind of hard to expect they are going to cut the existing content… Adding things I wouldn’t like? No problem, I’d avoid them. Destroying the bunny heart in Wayfarer’s by slashing the bunnies’ AI? Forcing people to dance for cows? Too much, man, too much, too much.

Asmodeus.5782:

Introducing gating, because of course, when you stumble upon something later, you’ll learn it faster. Obvious.

I’m sure you meant this sarcastically, but yes, people have a finite bandwidth for learning something new, and pacing the introduction of those new things does facilitate learning. You don’t stick a calculus book in front of a 5 year old, and while this is nowhere near as extreme the same principle applies.

Yes, the flavor of those early hearts has suffered a bit. Yes, MMO veterans playing the game for the first time are going to grasp bundles without any trouble.

Players new to MMOs though – people whose gaming experience to this point had been Facebook games or the Sims? Children whose parents are supportive but didn’t play games themselves to guide them through? Throwing bundles at those players while they are still figuring out WASD movement is, in fact, too much too fast, and it’s not actually important to introduce them so early. They will, in fact, learn it faster when it is introduced later.

Which is why the change was made, despite the damage it did to the flavor of those early hearts.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

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Never, never pay money for a game because of how you want/expect it to turn out. Pay money for what the game is right now. If you liked the game enough to spend some money on it, great. But don’t shell out thousands of dollars just waiting for it to get better. Chances are good that it will never turn out how you wanted……..

….and EXPECTING it to turn out like you wanted is simply delusional….

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bottomless_pit

GW2 is unique and Anet is slowly killing their own creation uniqueness by making it like every other MMO in the market. Pity this gem wont last long because of all these unnecessary changes sigh

Supposedly, it went to fund Wildstar. lol. That game bombed so hard too. NCSoft should’ve just invested in GW2.

The money GW2 makes, gem store, retail sales, digital sales, etc.

They all go to NCsoft, which then use it with every other profit, on what they want, not necessarily on GW2…

@nexxe: I didn’t hear that it bombed. I actually know a ton of people that left other MMO’s for Wildstar and are still playing it.

I really liked it myself, I just hate the monthly subscription model, so I’ve been avoiding it. It was great while I got to play it in beta, though.

Actually, Anet is using the gem money to build a secret volcano base.

no, they’re having whoever they can afford at the time build it for them

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Bottomless_pit

epic link, i’ll explain what it is.. this bottomless pit or “collapse” if you will is where gw2 was going to be but supposedly someone from ncsoft didn’t like it, so arena net worked tirelessly to make the game we all know and love today and we should or shouldn’t thank them for it

Anet is slowly killing their own creation by making it like every other MMO in the market. farmville variant

fixed that for you

Asmodeus.5782:

That volcano base thing would kind of explain the removal of the shark from the Metrica lake.

About the paying thing: you must admit it was kind of hard to expect they are going to cut the existing content… Adding things I wouldn’t like? No problem, I’d avoid them. Destroying the bunny heart in Wayfarer’s by slashing the bunnies’ AI? Forcing people to dance for cows? Too much, man, too much, too much.

The bunny AI was the same as always when I played it shortly after the patch hit. Sure, there are fewer bunnies, but they do the same thing as always.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

To be absolutely fair here, every change that is made to the game (whether you approve of it or not) needs to be done by the developers. Every single little thing makes time and effort, and that takes money.

So, when you’re buying gems, you’re not putting money into some soulless computer. You’re putting money in the pockets of all the developers and technicians it takes to keep the servers running, keep fixing bugs, keep filing support tickets, keep making all the changes to the coding…

Sensationalism is one thing, but keep in mind that every cent you complain about spending is going to put food into peoples’ stomachs and a roof over their head. Even if no changes were made, you’d still be paying the people who just keep the day-to-day running. So, watch what you say when you complain like this, because the implications are often deeper than you realize.

Here in the USA, we mostly operate on a free market economy model.

Guhracie, well, maybe it was just about the numbers… The fact is I haven’t been attacked by a single bunny through the duration of the whole heart. That was the moment when I snapped. The Angry Joe’s review of this game is now partially false advertisement. He praised this particular heart to heavens. Now it’s pure, uncut boredom.

Translation of the OP:

“I am unhappy with recent changes to, and the current direction of, the game and shall refrain from spending money on it until such a time as the game justifies my doing so.”

My response:

Excellent. A discerning and responsible consumer. Kudos.

To answer your question: For the China release and for the giant champagne filled jaccuzzi in the central of Anet.