Guild Wars 2

You know, it’s been 2 years. Just wondering. Or is it a case of, this engine sucks so it cannot be done?

They already did. Currently the best running MMO naow, which means everything else is worse off.

personaly im playing on MAX and outside of HUUUUGE Zergs i don’t have a single issue with the game.

and i don’t even have a BEAST PC lol.

Runs fine on my system compared to most other mmos gw2 runs pretty smooth. I’m interested in seeing the op specs and which areas he is seeing issues

Have a 6+ year old laptop that runs the game fine. Of course I can’t do high end graphics, but even on med/low settings it looks fantastic!

Only thing It really needs imo is the ability to use all available cores…

Running i7 Quad Core
32 GB Ram 8 GB X4
XFX Radeon HD 7900 Ghost 3.00 G.B.
Windows 8.1 Pro (don’t hate because you don’t want to learn it)

I have no issues with the game currently with my set up, and i’m running everything on max (with music off since i prefer to listen to the TV while I play)

MMO’s are cpu bound. In fact any game that has large numbers of players, AI’s, or models is going to be cpu bound. This is the reason that Diablo 3 or Gw2 will run better with higher end cpus. There are many mobs/models on screen at once so the cpu must work over time.

I had a AMD 970 quad and would drop from 50fps to 8 in zergs. The game was fine everywhere but zergs.

Now I have a I7 4790-k and the game runs butter smooth everywhere including zergs. Same video car 660 TI both builds.

In my opinion GW2 is optimized very well already.

I can’t even play WoW on my laptop right now but somehow I play Gw2 with +40fps even in huge zergs. This game is by far the best optimized mmo I’ve ever seen.

GW2 runs pretty well on my PC and my 5-year old laptop. No complaints here.

You do realize that optimization is a constant in progress item, don’t you? i.e. the game is always being optimized in some way.

They already have now HOT comes out as a triple decker.

It Looks like they are increasing visuals for HoT release. or they just have a very very nice computer to showcase it.
Hypetrain maybe?

20 bucks says this thread is going to derail into a directx12/64bit exe/newengine meta thread spammed by peeps who haven’t written a single hello world in any language yet.

I think it’s a case of your pc being horrible and you blaming the game.

What’s poorly optimised about the game, exactly? I use a budget gaming machine and get solid frame rates even in large wvw zergs at max graphical settings

Zoltreez.6435:

personaly im playing on MAX and outside of HUUUUGE Zergs i don’t have a single issue with the game.

and i don’t even have a BEAST PC lol.

Same, even before upgrading my 5 year old processor to i7 it’s ran better than other games. Now it runs perfect.

My pc is from 2010 or something like that and I can run the game just fine with 30-45fps.

The game gets very choppy during world bosses and WvW, no matter how good your hardware is. Dropping down to 25fps with high end hardware isn’t acceptable. The reason they haven’t bothered upgrading the engine is because of people like the ones in this thread who claim the game runs “fine” on their low spec laptop, when in reality they’re getting 15fps which is unplayable but they’re used to it so it seems OK. WoW upgraded from DX9 to DX11 during an expansion and it greatly improved the frame rate, so there’s no reason Anet couldn’t do the same.

MrH.2591:

The game gets very choppy during world bosses and WvW, no matter how good your hardware is. Dropping down to 25fps with high end hardware isn’t acceptable. The reason they haven’t bothered upgrading the engine is because of people like the ones in this thread who claim the game runs “fine” on their low spec laptop, when in reality they’re getting 15fps which is unplayable but they’re used to it so it seems OK. WoW upgraded from DX9 to DX11 during an expansion and it greatly improved the frame rate, so there’s no reason Anet couldn’t do the same.

So because ANet focuses on making their game as compatible as possible across multiple specifications, it’s unacceptable?

Get the stick out of your kitten .

If I can get 40 fps at world bosses on a budget gaming machine that cost me £400, then I’d imagine anyone getting less than that on a more expensive machine is being bottlenecked somewhere with their hardware, or simply trying to do too much at once/at too high a resolution

Playing on a four-year-old laptop with a conbination of low/med settings and typically getting 15-20 fps. Game is totally playable, don’t know what your problem is. Granted, world bosses get a little choppy, but everything else (including zergs in WvW) is fine enough.

You’re right, people get used to what they have. Those of us with low-spec computers know that this game is perfectly playable and enjoy the kitten out of it. Some people with high-spec computers are so hyper-sensitive that they lose their kitten over a mere temporary drop in fps.

As an aside, I play a lot of PVP and WvW. And, while I’m not the best player around, I’m typically pretty okay. I use a keyboard, a low-spec computer and no mouse. Makes me giggle when I wipe the floor with all these high-spec people.

There are still bugs in the game that have been there since launch that have yet to be fixed.

Don’t hold your breath.

Holgarf.6581:

You know, it’s been 2 years. Just wondering. Or is it a case of, this engine sucks so it cannot be done?

Just a question … how does the 2 years relate to you’re inquiry? Are we to believe that the age is some trigger for upgrade the game?

One of the issues about game optimization I see is what I call “The Duke Nukem Forever” syndrome. If they continually optimized for every new technology that comes out, thats all they will ever do.
Thats what happened to Duke Nukem. Everytime a new engine came out, they wanted to use that engine, so they had to go back and redo EVERYTHING. By the time they finished, another engine came out, and they decided to go with the new one. Repeat whole process again. Thats why it was delayed for years. It was a terrible decision of course. But thats also A reason (not the only reason) that it doesn’t happen very often.
No GW2 works fine even for lower end PCs as is.

In all honesty, i just want the game to run on more than one core. Probably would help even moreso in gameplay.

Blair.3796:

Playing on a four-year-old laptop with a conbination of low/med settings and typically getting 15-20 fps. Game is totally playable, don’t know what your problem is. Granted, world bosses get a little choppy, but everything else (including zergs in WvW) is fine enough.

You’re right, people get used to what they have. Those of us with low-spec computers know that this game is perfectly playable and enjoy the kitten out of it. Some people with high-spec computers are so hyper-sensitive that they lose their kitten over a mere temporary drop in fps.

As an aside, I play a lot of PVP and WvW. And, while I’m not the best player around, I’m typically pretty okay. I use a keyboard, a low-spec computer and no mouse. Makes me giggle when I wipe the floor with all these high-spec people.

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, I literally would rather not play than play like that, to me it’s unplayable because I’m used to 60fps rock solid in every game I play because I keep my hardware current. If a game doesn’t run great on the best hardware there’s an issue, in GW2 case it’s the outdated engine the doesn’t take advantage of modern hardware, thus the poor performance. Just because you’re used to slideshow FPS doesn’t mean the game is fine, it just means you’re used to it and don’t know any better. People like you give developers a get out of jail free card because they know you’ll swallow whatever they serve up, which in turn makes the experience worse for those of us who take our hobby seriously and expect better.

MrH.2591:

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, …

No, it is playable, you just choose not to.

MrH.2591:

Blair.3796:

Playing on a four-year-old laptop with a conbination of low/med settings and typically getting 15-20 fps. Game is totally playable, don’t know what your problem is. Granted, world bosses get a little choppy, but everything else (including zergs in WvW) is fine enough.

You’re right, people get used to what they have. Those of us with low-spec computers know that this game is perfectly playable and enjoy the kitten out of it. Some people with high-spec computers are so hyper-sensitive that they lose their kitten over a mere temporary drop in fps.

As an aside, I play a lot of PVP and WvW. And, while I’m not the best player around, I’m typically pretty okay. I use a keyboard, a low-spec computer and no mouse. Makes me giggle when I wipe the floor with all these high-spec people.

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, I literally would rather not play than play like that, to me it’s unplayable because I’m used to 60fps rock solid in every game I play because I keep my hardware current. If a game doesn’t run great on the best hardware there’s an issue, in GW2 case it’s the outdated engine the doesn’t take advantage of modern hardware, thus the poor performance. Just because you’re used to slideshow FPS doesn’t mean the game is fine, it just means you’re used to it and don’t know any better. People like you give developers a get out of jail free card because they know you’ll swallow whatever they serve up, which in turn makes the experience worse for those of us who take our hobby seriously and expect better.

Slide show, I don’t know what your problem is but even when I go down to 4 – 6 fps I don’t see a slide show, everything is smooth as silk, same as when I have higher fps. Granted I also have a multitabbed session of Chrome and iTunes running at the same time as GW2, so that causes some of the issues(plus that fact that one of my original Cross-Fire cards croaked and I haven’t been able to replace with a newer single card yet, I don’t have issues.

P.S. – When I had the Cross-Fire running I could run GW2, Chrome and Second Life(which is super graphics intensive and kills normal comps all at the same time, and still have decent fps in GW2). Oh wait, full-screen windowed mode helps a great deal as well.

Obtena.7952:

MrH.2591:

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, …

No, it is playable, you just choose not to.

Not in my opinion it’s not, unless you consider loading the game and moving around while counting the individual frames “playable”. As I said, if my options were to play like that or not play at all I’d rather not play, as it wouldn’t be enjoyable. And I don’t know why people are getting angry that we want the devs to improve the performance, it would benefit people with mid tier machines as well, not just those of us with good computers. The expansion was the perfect time to do an engine upgrade, WoW did it for their Cataclysm expansion and it improved the game immensely. If you’re happy playing at low frame rate with a trackpad, good for you, but some of us aim for higher than that and us wanting more from the game doesn’t affect you at all, if anything it will benefit you as well (not that you’d notice).

Zaklex.6308:

MrH.2591:

Blair.3796:

Playing on a four-year-old laptop with a conbination of low/med settings and typically getting 15-20 fps. Game is totally playable, don’t know what your problem is. Granted, world bosses get a little choppy, but everything else (including zergs in WvW) is fine enough.

You’re right, people get used to what they have. Those of us with low-spec computers know that this game is perfectly playable and enjoy the kitten out of it. Some people with high-spec computers are so hyper-sensitive that they lose their kitten over a mere temporary drop in fps.

As an aside, I play a lot of PVP and WvW. And, while I’m not the best player around, I’m typically pretty okay. I use a keyboard, a low-spec computer and no mouse. Makes me giggle when I wipe the floor with all these high-spec people.

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, I literally would rather not play than play like that, to me it’s unplayable because I’m used to 60fps rock solid in every game I play because I keep my hardware current. If a game doesn’t run great on the best hardware there’s an issue, in GW2 case it’s the outdated engine the doesn’t take advantage of modern hardware, thus the poor performance. Just because you’re used to slideshow FPS doesn’t mean the game is fine, it just means you’re used to it and don’t know any better. People like you give developers a get out of jail free card because they know you’ll swallow whatever they serve up, which in turn makes the experience worse for those of us who take our hobby seriously and expect better.

Slide show, I don’t know what your problem is but even when I go down to 4 – 6 fps I don’t see a slide show, everything is smooth as silk, same as when I have higher fps. Granted I also have a multitabbed session of Chrome and iTunes running at the same time as GW2, so that causes some of the issues(plus that fact that one of my original Cross-Fire cards croaked and I haven’t been able to replace with a newer single card yet, I don’t have issues.

P.S. – When I had the Cross-Fire running I could run GW2, Chrome and Second Life(which is super graphics intensive and kills normal comps all at the same time, and still have decent fps in GW2). Oh wait, full-screen windowed mode helps a great deal as well.

4-6fps… “smooth as silk”? Stop trolling me

The only event that I ever notice my framerate drop in is the Svanir Shaman boss.

Hammurabi.5942:

The only event that I ever notice my framerate drop in is the Svanir Shaman boss.

That’s by far the worst fight for performance, but every world boss drops your frame rate significantly, even if you don’t notice it. For people like me who do notice going from 60fps – 25 – 30fps (15fps Frozen Maw) it’s not fun. I love the game, and I love group content but dealing with such choppy gameplay is not fun. If the devs won’t spend the time and money to upgrade the engine, they could at least give us more extensive video options, let us control how many players spell effects we see like the MMO Rift does, that really helps and honestly I don’t need to see other peoples projectiles flying past my ears if it means poor performance.

Runs fine on my system.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Runs fine on my system.

Define “fine”.

MrH.2591:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Runs fine on my system.

Define “fine”.

I had 80-110 fps in pvp today with ultra settings that is my definition of fine.

tom.7468:

MrH.2591:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Runs fine on my system.

Define “fine”.

I had 80-110 fps in pvp today with ultra settings that is my definition of fine.

In what type of PvP? sPvP sure, totally doable. EOTM XP train, certainly doable, zerg v zerg in WvW? I’d like to see that, especially if by ultra you mean best appearance. And I’m not talking about sitting in base, I mean when the action cracks off. The same goes for world bosses, standing around waiting and getting 60fps+ isn’t hard, but when it spawns and everyone is casting it’s a different matter. I’ve yet to meet anyone who can play on best appearance and maintain 60fps+ in the scenarios I outlined, I’m all for new personal firsts though.

MrH.2591:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Runs fine on my system.

Define “fine”.

50-70fps with high settings in basically every situation. Except very large zergs, but that’s easily fixed with the culling settings.

MrH.2591:

Obtena.7952:

MrH.2591:

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, …

No, it is playable, you just choose not to.

Not in my opinion it’s not, unless …

MrH.2591:

Not in my opinion

MrH.2591:

opinion

Yes … so again, you CHOOSE to not play because of your standards. The game is playable.

Obtena.7952:

MrH.2591:

Obtena.7952:

MrH.2591:

15-20fps isn’t playable to anyone who’s used to better, …

No, it is playable, you just choose not to.

Not in my opinion it’s not, unless …

MrH.2591:

Not in my opinion

MrH.2591:

opinion

Yes … so again, you CHOOSE to not play because of your standards. The game is playable.

Keep arguing semantics

It’s not semantics … game doesn’t need optimization if it’s playable; the fellow’s Duke Nukem example is a great one and highly applicable. The argument that it needs optimization because it doesn’t meet the standards of fickle, demanding players that only want the highest standards of performance is nonsense. This is not any different than the thread we had last week about DX12 … it’s just silly to insinuate some optimization is necessary.

Bottomline is that the game will never be optimized because the development takes so long that it will always lag behind the tech’s that optimize it. Therefore, chasing the latest tech is not a sustainable business model for an MMO. This isn’t a question of how pretty or polygons I can stuff into my screen, it’s a question of net benefit and ROI.

“Playable” is the bare minimum requirement for a game, the same way edible is for food, but I prefer food that’s edible and tasty.

The reason you’re lagging in huge player environments is because the game only runs on one core. Otherwise, the game is factually the best-optimized MMO on the market (that’s competitive profit/user-base-wise).

Of course, multi-threading a program of such scale is very difficult to do.

Even in 100v100 I still manage around 25 fps on high/ultra settings on a rig I built almost four years ago.

Running a million CPU cores each with low clock speeds is probably your problem.

Blair.3796:

PSome people with high-spec computers are so hyper-sensitive that they lose their kitten over a mere temporary drop in fps.

Which is a concern still.

People going to Antarctica straight from Florida are probably more likely to freeze to death than anyone who’s already been there for months.

One man’s 20 dropped to 15 is another man’s 60 dropped to 45.

I live in hope.

It is running slightly less badly than it was a week or so ago, though, so I guess that’s something.

BTW, are some of the people on this thread paid by ANet?

If not, they should be.

OP, the graphic side is very well optimized. In fact, I remember how terrible it ran during the beta events.

The cpu side can only be fixed by changing the renderer to something like dx 12 or vulkan.

I want to people to stop saying this game is badly optimized. It is pretty well optimized and I am not sure what else can they do other than changing the renderer and stuff

loseridoit.2756:

OP, the graphic side is very well optimized. In fact, I remember how terrible it ran during the beta events.

The cpu side can only be fixed by changing the renderer to something like dx 12 or vulkan.

I want to people to stop saying this game is badly optimized. It is pretty well optimized and I am not sure what else can they do other than changing the renderer and stuff

I’ve suggested it before, but they could offer more extensive video options. The MMO Rift allows you to set the total number of players you will see spell effects from, this literally doubles the frame rate during large scale content, if GW2 added this option it would be possible to maintain 60fps on even the most demanding world bosses, and adding a setting probably wouldn’t be that much work for them. It’s a band-aid fix, but a fix nonetheless.

MrH.2591:

The game gets very choppy during world bosses and WvW, no matter how good your hardware is. Dropping down to 25fps with high end hardware isn’t acceptable. The reason they haven’t bothered upgrading the engine is because of people like the ones in this thread who claim the game runs “fine” on their low spec laptop, when in reality they’re getting 15fps which is unplayable but they’re used to it so it seems OK. WoW upgraded from DX9 to DX11 during an expansion and it greatly improved the frame rate, so there’s no reason Anet couldn’t do the same.

If they are playing then it is by definition not unplayable.

MrH.2591:

The game gets very choppy during world bosses and WvW, no matter how good your hardware is.

So you can speak for everyone elses experience? You’ve played on my PC, have you?
Sounds more like you’re having problems on your own PC and opt not play due to personal expectations.
I play group-heavy content, like Vinewraith, some world bosses, EotM zergs, and WvW and do not suffer the slideshow choppiness you say exists on everyones machine. Yes, the framerate does drop some in those types of situations (which is completly expected and understandable), but never does it go choppy, never is it a ‘slideshow’, never do I have trouble using skills or moving my characters, never is it rendered “unplayable”. Unplayable would be a game problem creating a situation where you cannot control or use your characters or you die or fail in a situation due to this. This simply does not happen to everyone just because it happens to you.
I can play 100% of the time with no loss of control or playability in those situations. Its quite a leap to assume that because you have choppy slowdown that everyone else does.
This is very reminiscent of the people who cry about lag and blame the MMO developer/servers, when no one else on the same map or server is experiencing it, though they assume that because they are, that everyone else must have the same problem. Its never a problem with anything else, their own network, their own system, or anything between them and the server.
You can spout off hardware specs until your blue in the face, but there’s any number of other things that could contribute to choppy slowdown even with the best hardware.

MrRuin.9740:

MrH.2591:

The game gets very choppy during world bosses and WvW, no matter how good your hardware is.

So you can speak for everyone elses experience? You’ve played on my PC, have you?
Sounds more like you’re having problems on your own PC and opt not play due to personal expectations.
I play group-heavy content, like Vinewraith, some world bosses, EotM zergs, and WvW and do not suffer the slideshow choppiness you say exists on everyones machine. Yes, the framerate does drop some in those types of situations (which is completly expected and understandable), but never does it go choppy, never is it a ‘slideshow’, never do I have trouble using skills or moving my characters, never is it rendered “unplayable”. Unplayable would be a game problem creating a situation where you cannot control or use your characters or you die or fail in a situation due to this. This simply does not happen to everyone just because it happens to you.
I can play 100% of the time with no loss of control or playability in those situations. Its quite a leap to assume that because you have choppy slowdown that everyone else does.
This is very reminiscent of the people who cry about lag and blame the MMO developer/servers, when no one else on the same map or server is experiencing it, though they assume that because they are, that everyone else must have the same problem. Its never a problem with anything else, their own network, their own system, or anything between them and the server.
You can spout off hardware specs until your blue in the face, but there’s any number of other things that could contribute to choppy slowdown even with the best hardware.

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by saying the generic “It’s your PC, not the game”, it would have had the same effect.

MrH.2591:

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by saying the generic “It’s your PC, not the game”, it would have had the same effect.

As you could as well by replying to this topic with “I have a problem, so everyone else must, who I am also going to speak for and it’s completely Anets fault. No way it could ever be anything else”

MrRuin.9740:

MrH.2591:

You could have saved yourself a lot of time by saying the generic “It’s your PC, not the game”, it would have had the same effect.

As you could as well by replying to this topic with “I have a problem, so everyone else must, who I am also going to speak for and it’s completely Anets fault. No way it could ever be anything else”

Yeah, because I’m definitely the only person that has performance issues due to the dated engine. It’s not like it affects everyone or anything. Just me.