Guild Wars 2

Just out of curiosity, why doesn’t Queen Jenna, or Commander Samuelsson borrow Magdaer Sohothin and get rid of the ghosts of Old Ascalon? Is this explained in the books or somewhere in GW2?

I meant Sohothin. Rytlock’s sword.

Because it has to be held by someone of pure Ascalonian blood, and all of the pieces were never recovered, or something to the extent. Also, the Claw of the Khan Ur should be found first. Just saying.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Because it has to be held by someone of pure Ascalonian blood, and all of the pieces were never recovered, or something to the extent. Also, the Claw of the Khan Ur should be found first. Just saying.

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

locoman.1974:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Because it has to be held by someone of pure Ascalonian blood, and all of the pieces were never recovered, or something to the extent. Also, the Claw of the Khan Ur should be found first. Just saying.

The Claw of the Khan Ur...

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was already found and recovered. In the novel Ghosts of Ascalon, Douglas Keane leads a vigil group to Ascalon as a request from Queen Jenna to find the claw of the khan ur so that she could offer it to Smodur the Unflinching, imperator of the iron legion, as a peace offering to end the human-charr war and focus on the dragons

It’s been years since I read that book xP

Completely forgot that that was the peace offering.

Better solution: Why hasn’t anyone simply tried to talk to them?

The ONE REASON they attack humans in the first place is because they are cursed to see them as Charr. However during AC P3 we could temporarily transform into ghosts and talk to them…

So why hasn’t the dang idea EVER occured into anyone’s head simply to talk to them and explain the situation?

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

In the case of ascalon, the ghosts aren’t all there because of traumatic deaths but because of the curse of the foefire. Basically the spirits are bound to the foefire caused by Kind Adelbern using the magic sword Magdear (twin of Sohothin that Rytlok now wields).

The foefire killed all the Charr attacking the city at the time, and cursed all the humans, forcing them to relive that day over and over. They don’t know they’re dead, as long as the foefire remains active they keep thinking they’re still defending their city against the invading Charr, and see every living being they encounter (regardless of race) as a Charr. Actually, in the novel Ghosts of Ascalon the main characters meet the ghost of someone that died right before the foefire, and remains because of unfinished business, and it’s completely different from the ones in the rest of ascalon, and more like some of the spirits you meet in GW1, he’s aware that he’s dead and sees the living as what they are and is able to talk to them.

According to the story, the ghosts of ascalon won’t be laid to rest until the true heir to the throne of ascalon returns wielding either sohothin or magdear.

As a side note… wouldn’t be kinda interesting if Rytlock turns out to be the true heir to the throne, being that ascalon belonged to Charr before it did to the Humans?..

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

locoman.1974:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

In the case of ascalon, the ghosts aren’t all there because of traumatic deaths but because of the curse of the foefire. Basically the spirits are bound to the foefire caused by Kind Adelbern using the magic sword Magdear (twin of Sohothin that Rytlok now wields).

The foefire killed all the Charr attacking the city at the time, and cursed all the humans, forcing them to relive that day over and over. They don’t know they’re dead, as long as the foefire remains active they keep thinking they’re still defending their city against the invading Charr, and see every living being they encounter (regardless of race) as a Charr. Actually, in the novel Ghosts of Ascalon the main characters meet the ghost of someone that died right before the foefire, and remains because of unfinished business, and it’s completely different from the ones in the rest of ascalon, and more like some of the spirits you meet in GW1, he’s aware that he’s dead and sees the living as what they are and is able to talk to them.

According to the story, the ghosts of ascalon won’t be laid to rest until the true heir to the throne of ascalon returns wielding either sohothin or magdear.

As a side note… wouldn’t be kinda interesting if Rytlock turns out to be the true heir to the throne, being that ascalon belonged to Charr before it did to the Humans?..

But wouldn’t either Jenna or Samuelsson fit the bill as an heir? If not, why bother mentioning them in the first place? If they were, why isn’t that something they’re actively trying to get done? At least to try?

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

Copestetic.5174:

locoman.1974:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

In the case of ascalon, the ghosts aren’t all there because of traumatic deaths but because of the curse of the foefire. Basically the spirits are bound to the foefire caused by Kind Adelbern using the magic sword Magdear (twin of Sohothin that Rytlok now wields).

The foefire killed all the Charr attacking the city at the time, and cursed all the humans, forcing them to relive that day over and over. They don’t know they’re dead, as long as the foefire remains active they keep thinking they’re still defending their city against the invading Charr, and see every living being they encounter (regardless of race) as a Charr. Actually, in the novel Ghosts of Ascalon the main characters meet the ghost of someone that died right before the foefire, and remains because of unfinished business, and it’s completely different from the ones in the rest of ascalon, and more like some of the spirits you meet in GW1, he’s aware that he’s dead and sees the living as what they are and is able to talk to them.

According to the story, the ghosts of ascalon won’t be laid to rest until the true heir to the throne of ascalon returns wielding either sohothin or magdear.

As a side note… wouldn’t be kinda interesting if Rytlock turns out to be the true heir to the throne, being that ascalon belonged to Charr before it did to the Humans?..

But wouldn’t either Jenna or Samuelsson fit the bill as an heir? If not, why bother mentioning them in the first place? If they were, why isn’t that something they’re actively trying to get done? At least to try?

Neither are Ascalonian. Logan is the only canon “pure” Ascalonian character we know of, and even though he kissed and made up with Rytlock, there would probably be he’ll before Logan could get his hands on Sohothan.

If I remember correctly (can’t find it now) the literal wording of the prophecy is that someone of royal Ascalonian blood needs to take the sword to Ascalon City, but it strongly implies there’s more to it than that. Specifically it says something about royal blood returning to Ascalon. It sounds (to me anyway) like what actually needs to happen is for someone of the right bloodline, carrying the sword, to reclaim Ascalon as a human nation.

And the charr aren’t likely to let that happen, even on a temporary ‘fingers crossed behind your back’ kind of basis as a favour to get rid of the ghosts.

The pieces of broken Magdaer were recovered from the Ascalon Catacombs by Eir Stegalkin, to be reforged and given to Logan, but that is currently the last we heard about it.

It is said that if either Sohothin or Magdaer is returned to Ascalon City by the rightful heir to the Ascalon throne the ghosts will be put to rest, but we neither know who qualifies for that nor how exactly it could be done – the ghosts are not exactly friendly towards anyone.

We do not even know if Queen Jennah qualifies, meaning if a descendant of Doric can do it or if it has to be a descendant of the kings of Ascalon, in which case only Samuelsson would qualify, but he has his hands full with plenty of things and would surely not act without consent of Jennah.

At the moment Queen Jennah cannot take the rist to walk into Charr-controlled land and face the ghosts, she is too important for Kryta. And we do not even have a peace treaty between Kryta and the Charr, just a truce, so the ghosts serve as a deterrent against the Charr and letting the ghosts find peace serves as security for negotiations, as cynical as it may sound.

There is also the question of what would become of Ascalon City which is basically a huge human tomb, the Charr would probably just like to finally gain control over it. This would have to be settled beforehand by negotiations.

But i got a hunch that there may be a descendant of the line of Adelbern around, the matter was just too obviously left open. And i’ve said so before, Sohothin does not belong into the hands of a Charr.

To answer your question, i expected the ghost question to be saved up to be part of a game expansion somewhere in the future, but i am not so sure any more that we will get one. So don’t expect any changes to the current situation.

Kain Francois.4328:

Better solution: Why hasn’t anyone simply tried to talk to them?

The ONE REASON they attack humans in the first place is because they are cursed to see them as Charr. However during AC P3 we could temporarily transform into ghosts and talk to them…

So why hasn’t the dang idea EVER occured into anyone’s head simply to talk to them and explain the situation?

This is pretty much what I was saying. And on the flip side, Even if the FoeFire curse was lifted, there’d still be some outright poltergeists like Kendrick who were hotheads even in Gw1 and have a Cyclops / Jean Grey situation going from their temple BFBF getting Seared by misguided Charr. Those ones won’t just welcome Jennah or whoever else holds a flaming sword with open arms.

You all misread something.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magdaer

“It is said that if Magdaer or Sohothin returns to Ascalon City in the hands of an heir okitteng Doric (the only known descendants being Queen Jennah and Commander Samuelsson), then the spirits of the Ascalonian ghosts will be put to rest.”

This makes sense as King Doric was responsible for pretty much any human magic, or magic associated with the bloodstones. And remember that, in guild wars 1, adelburn claimed the throne from another king who went mad. This says that adelburn and rurik are not proper descendants okitteng doric, so thus either Jennah or Samuelsson needs to have sohothin or magdaer in hand. And remember, Samuelsson never said which line of ascalonian kings he descended from.

And before any of you say ’don’t trust wiki’ remember that they used this exact line when they announced the timeline history of guild wars 2 during its development and kept it to today.

(edit: and it edits king because of f and kin in king. -_-")

Carlin Sanders.3587:

And remember that, in guild wars 1, adelburn claimed the throne from another king who went mad. This says that adelburn and rurik are not proper descendants okitteng doric, so thus either Jennah or Samuelsson needs to have sohothin or magdaer in hand. And remember, Samuelsson never said which line of ascalonian kings he descended from.

In fact Adelbern was a descendant of Doric, just not of noble birth. So a possible descendant of his line would qualify.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Adelbern

Edit: i remember it used to say that Adelbern was born as a commoner, looks like this was changed or i remember it incorrectly.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

What?

Viking Jorun.5413:

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

What? The Mursaat were/are sentient beings just like any other race. They were one of the original 5 races (alongside Forgotten, Jotun, and others) who fought off the Elder Dragons the last time they appeared. They filled the role of the Asura, as the most intelligent and magically-inclined of the races of their time.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

What? The Mursaat were/are sentient beings just like any other race. They were one of the original 5 races (alongside Forgotten, Jotun, and others) who fought off the Elder Dragons the last time they appeared. They filled the role of the Asura, as the most intelligent and magically-inclined of the races of their time.

Yeah, what he said threw me off too. I seriously doubt we wiped out all of the Mursaat. Besides, there’s White Mantle even now, in GW2. What’s White Mantle without some scheming Mursaat behind them? We’ll see them again.

Copestetic.5174:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

What? The Mursaat were/are sentient beings just like any other race. They were one of the original 5 races (alongside Forgotten, Jotun, and others) who fought off the Elder Dragons the last time they appeared. They filled the role of the Asura, as the most intelligent and magically-inclined of the races of their time.

Yeah, what he said threw me off too. I seriously doubt we wiped out all of the Mursaat. Besides, there’s White Mantle even now, in GW2. What’s White Mantle without some scheming Mursaat behind them? We’ll see them again.

The White Mantle in GW2 are only tin-foil hats waiting for their false gods to someday return. Whether that happens is up to ArenaNet.

There’s a story line?!

Zackie.8923:

There’s a story line?!

do the impossible see the invisible ro ro ro fight the power

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Copestetic.5174:

ilr.9675:

Not even Dragons seem to have the power to prevent Ghosts from haunting an area where their traumatic deaths may have occurred. …this seems to tie in with the Mists and ‘the Rift’ itself. There’s a chance we might get more answers on it if the Thaumaneuva Reactor actually gets some rich back story to it, but I wouldn’t hold your your breath on that. The Living Story team seems more interested in hawking cash shop items than selling us reasonable explanations and plot.

….Bear in mind that we’re not even Ascended heroes or chosen and we’re definitely not Weh No Su in this new continuation so all the Phantasmal entities we see are manifest through their own means, not ours.

That’s a good point. Kind of makes you wonder what’s the Mursaat up to these days.

Only 3 Mursaat survived the onslaught of the War in Kryta, and it’s unlikely that they reproduce, since they aren’t sentient beings. Chances are they’ve all died off some way or another by now, or all 3 fled to the Isle of Janthir where they originally came from.

What? The Mursaat were/are sentient beings just like any other race. They were one of the original 5 races (alongside Forgotten, Jotun, and others) who fought off the Elder Dragons the last time they appeared. They filled the role of the Asura, as the most intelligent and magically-inclined of the races of their time.

Humans are the most magically inclined. But yeah, no idea what that guy was on about.

Carlin Sanders.3587:

And remember that, in guild wars 1, adelburn claimed the throne from another king who went mad. This says that adelburn and rurik are not proper descendants okitteng doric, so thus either Jennah or Samuelsson needs to have sohothin or magdaer in hand. And remember, Samuelsson never said which line of ascalonian kings he descended from.

Also, Ascalonians practically begged Adelbern to be king, apparently the royal line had fallen to petty squabbling and greed. Barradin himself wanted Adelbern on the throne. Here