Guild Wars 2

Ameepa.6793:

I’m not blocking them because they are roleplayers but because they are filling my screen with stuff that is not in any way related to me and none of my business and making it difficult to see things that are actually for me. I have nothing against roleplayers or roleplaying, but I am not going to start modifying my otherwise very well working chat stuff just because of that.

Why is it so important to roleplayers that EVERYONE has to hear the stuff they say? Why would it be so harmful if the range of /em would be lowered to be same as /say?

If I am having a private conversation or just chatting with a group of my friends, I really do not feel that everyone in the city would have to hear our conversation. I am chatting with the group there, not with the whole city.

Again, there is nothing wrong with roleplaying. The problem is caused by the channel they use (/em). If they would use /say channel, I don’t think anyone would complain at all.

It’s not important that everyone has to hear it, but it’s a shame you might be missing out one day on someone’s help if you block someone who, to be fair, hasn’t actually done you any harm. You could also be one day missing out on a great friendship that now you might not think would happen, because you have someone on block.

But I am in 100% agreement that the /emote range is FAR too wide, and most if not all roleplayers I know will agree as well. Sometimes when you’re RPing in a tavern, the emotes can get overwhelming even for the RPers themselves!

A new separate roleplay chat tab though, I don’t believe is needed. We should all be able to share the /say channel without the need for bickering and squabbling over what is and what isn’t classed as ‘spam’.

First of all, fixing the range of the emotes is fundamental. Nothing more to add there.

Second, an RP exclusive channel would NOT solve the issue of people using abusive language, writing explicit descriptions or creating inappropriate content BECAUSE they are not the same thing.

A lot of people here are mixing things. The reportable part of ERP is the E, not the RP. The problem with swearing in RP context is the swearing, not the RP. The problem with describing a bunch of MLPonies being abused by mordrem is said description, not the RP.

If you try to segregate such kind of content to an “RP channel”, you’ll get 2 results:

1- Trolls will NOT go into the new channel. They will keep doing their stuff in the general area, because that is their purpose. And you’ll have to report them anyway.

2- You’ll ostracize all good RP, the one who add immersion and fun to the game, into an specific channel with a lot of trolls. You’ll force legit RPers who weren’t bothering anyone to take all the weight of a problem that doesn’t have anything to do with them. They will have to report the abusers anyway, RP or not, BECAUSE ABUSE AND RP ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

What people here seems to want is NOT an Exclusive RP channel. Is an Exclusive Inapropiate Content channel. Do you really think this is a good idea?

Just to be clear, I’ll love to have a way to help RPers be together. I don’t think an RP channel would help with this. And I think it wouldn’t help with the inapropiate content either.

Ardid.7203:

Just to be clear, I’ll love to have a way to help RPers be together. I don’t think an RP channel would help with this. And I think it wouldn’t help with the inapropiate content either.

Perfectly said!

Ardid.7203:

1- Trolls will NOT go into the new channel. They will keep doing their stuff in the general area, because that is their purpose. And you’ll have to report them anyway.

2- You’ll ostracize all good RP, the one who add immersion and fun to the game, into an specific channel with a lot of trolls. You’ll force legit RPers who weren’t bothering anyone to take all the weight of a problem that doesn’t have anything to do with them. They will have to report the abusers anyway, RP or not, BECAUSE ABUSE AND RP ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

What people here seems to want is NOT an Exclusive RP channel. Is an Exclusive Inapropiate Content channel. Do you really think this is a good idea?

Just to be clear, I’ll love to have a way to help RPers be together. I don’t think an RP channel would help with this. And I think it wouldn’t help with the inapropiate content either.

Point 1 is most likely true. If the troll gets more attention in general channels they will stay in general channels

Point 2 I have to disagree with, RP is not the only way to add “fun to the game”. Also notice point 1. Trolls will NOT go into the new channel. You counter your first point with your second point.

The main point of the post from what I gathered was the excessive /me or emote channel use and it’s range. A specific channel would help reduce this issue. I’m suggesting simply a command line like /me “text here” but /rp “text here” and players that want to opt out of the /rp line can turn it off. It would basically be the SAME THING as /me just not using the emote lines.

The “E” or inappropriate aspects were present in the main post but not the main point. They became more prevalent in later posts. No one is asking for an exclusive inappropriate channel, simply a RP channel; inappropriate content is exactly what it’s labeled as: inappropriate.

What is or is not appropriate is, in part, subjective though. Yes, Anet has some rules on what language consider punishable, but that really can’t be enforced unless people report it. And what if people don’t want to report it? Because of whatever reason.
Here’s an (oddly specific made up) example: An RP player decides he’d play a criminal. A really terrible guy who believes all Charr should be burned alive or whatever. He goes on and on about gruesome descriptions on how he’d torture and kill Charr, etc.
To a general audience not in on the little play going on, that’s disturbing and inappropriate language. They never asked to see it. They should report it.
But to the group he’s RP’ing with, this might not be worth reporting. He’s most likely playing with a group of friends, and what they deem acceptable for the sake of a good story is well established. So, while a guy talking about torture and murder might be unsettling, it’d also be acceptable as character behavior. (Think Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Hed be banned from GW2 just for existing) Him being an evil murderer is probably a driving factor in their story that they have a right to enjoy.

But they don’t have a right to make everyone else see it. Unfortunately, however, they really don’t have a choice BUT to make us see it. Because they’re forced to use channels that everyone else uses for non RP related things.

And also because the channel they do use has a radius of half a freaking map

Squee.7829:

But they don’t have a right to make everyone else see it. Unfortunately, however, they really don’t have a choice BUT to make us see it. Because they’re forced to use channels that everyone else uses for non RP related things.

You’ve got it wrong. You’re first saying that roleplayers are MAKING you see it. We’re not making you see anything. We’re just using the tools currently available.

Then you say we’re FORCED into using the channels that are currently available. Well, the channels that are currently available are actually IDEAL for roleplayers. We hardly feel ‘forced’ into this.

A separate chat channel is not required. What is required is a little common sense by non-roleplayers, and a little bit of tolerance by us all, and understanding that everyone uses the chat channels for different reasons. Some use it for RP. Some use it to say hello to friends they are near. Some simply use the /say chat to troll and make distasteful jokes (who aren’t actually RPing, but again it’s roleplayers getting singled out).

I agree no one is forced into it, just the option of turning off ALL emotes to avoid seeing a ton of it when you don’t feel like it is far from ideal.

What do you think about what I suggested Penelope?

I’m suggesting simply a command line like /me “text here” but /rp “text here” and players that want to opt out of the /rp line can turn it off. It would basically be the SAME THING as /me just not using the emote lines.

I maybe definitely worded it poorly. I know nobody is forcing me to do anything. I’m just trying to say that we, outside of RP people, don’t have a choice other than blocking an entire channel.
I know that’s not the RP’ers fault.

Also, I think just turning down the emote range would be a nice fix. Whether or not a new RP channel is added.

I would love a separate chat channel for emotes. I can either put it on a separate chat tab or remove it from my general tab if people are getting out of hand. Much of the RP will be done in that channel since they want to include emotes.

Oh, and as for the "singling out RP’ers thing,: I really don’t have anything against RP people. I’m singling you out, yes. But because this is a forum thread specifically about RP. So, don’t make assumptions about me being hostile, please. If this were a thread about just people being vulgar, RP would not have even crossed my mind.

Miku.6297:

I agree no one is forced into it, just the option of turning off ALL emotes to avoid seeing a ton of it when you don’t feel like it is far from ideal.

What do you think about what I suggested Penelope?

I’m suggesting simply a command line like /me “text here” but /rp “text here” and players that want to opt out of the /rp line can turn it off. It would basically be the SAME THING as /me just not using the emote lines.

I think it’s not needed. We’ve been RPing for over four years now using the /say chat channel. Most RP is done away from standard PvE’ers anyway. When was the last time someone queued for a WvW map or waited for Tequatl or a dungeon party from The Maiden’s Whisper?

The range of emotes does need to be reduced though. Even RPers agree with this.The range used to be a lot less than it is now, so it wouldn’t be a problem to re-reduce the range, and it wouldn’t affect RPers anyway, since emotes are directed toward other RPers virtually right next to them.

These topics come up every so often, and it is almost always the roleplayer that gets labelled the bad guy. It’s almost always someone who starts these topics that don’t want to do the simple thing and edit their chat tabs (they still have it set to ‘Main’ and ‘Combat’ as default from day 1).

It’s almost always a topic that suggests the many who have to change to satisfy the needs of the few.

And it’s almost always someone who is complaining about it happening whilst they’re AFK, using the bank or crafting in a city as well. Never that they are seeing it whilst in Kessex or Mount Maelstrom or Cursed Shore.

penelopehannibal.8947:

A new separate roleplay chat tab though, I don’t believe is needed. We should all be able to share the /say channel without the need for bickering and squabbling over what is and what isn’t classed as ‘spam’.

As a passionate role player you should be looking for ways to make RP more accepted in the community as a whole.

Asking other players to take action to accommodate RP is sort of the opposite. Instead, identifying tools and features for GW2 is a better solution.

I’m confused on how creating a dedicated RP channel takes away from the RP experience. It’s essentially your public channel to RP… just like /say or any other channel.

Again look for ways to integrate RP into GW2 that’s friendly for all — otherwise you’ll get more “RP spam” hate. Perceptions matter, regardless of intent.

Just because something has been done one way for a certain amount of time does not make it the best way. Change and improvement should be something that is ongoing. I’m curious how would having a /rp harm rpers, how would it help them. How would it harm people that don’t wish to see rp/how would it help them?

I don’t really think anyone is being labeled good or bad here. The complaint is directed at the chat clutter that is unavoidable unless you block the player or turn off emotes on your chat tab.

The many being forced to meet the needs of the few… Isn’t that what we have currently? Unless you think there are more players use the /me and RP more then those who don’t. I for instance don’t mind the RP when not rping, but if it gets really excessive then it would be nice to be able to turn it off with out having to turn off all emotes to a chat tab or block the player.

Being AFK I don’t really see a reason to complain. How ever many players hang out and talking with friends/other players at banks, the royal terrace etc. So you can’t really rule these out as locations of play.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Here’s a tip for anyone who is worried about ‘flooding’ or so-called ‘spam’:

I’ve found that whenever people complain about RP (or any kind of chat come to think of it, it’s just roleplayers get unfairly singled out more often than not) most of the time it is from players who have stuck with the default chat channels that ArenaNet give you when you first start the game. I think the default is something similar to ‘Main’ and ‘Combat’.

You can create individual chat tabs, and tick which type of information you can see in that tab. The picture below shows how I have my chat tabs separated to avoid one type of chat over-running another.

I’ve found that realistically, you can have up to five ‘visible’ tabs showing at once. Any more than this and they are hidden (so you have to press the tab key to see it’s header). But five should probably be enough for most people anyway.

You don’t have to stick to how I have it, but I’ll show you what my tabs have enabled as a possible example.

Main: Has /map, /team, /squad, /emotes enabled. If you’re not a roleplayer, turn off /emotes from this one. Good for general PvE, WvW and PvP if not in a party.

Say: Self explanatory. Has /say and /emotes only enabled. If you’re a roleplayer like myself, this is where most of your RP will be conducted.

Whisper: Only has /whisper enabled. You don’t see anything else, no /say or /emote here, so no whispers can be missed.

Party: Has /party, /squad and /team enabled. Ideal for doing PvP or Dungeons, Fractals and Raids when in a team. If you’re a roleplayer who RPs with party members, you can turn on /emotes here as well. Beware though – if you type an emote in /party chat, it can be seen publicly too.

Guild: Self-explanitory. Has all the /guilds I’m in ticked. /g1 to /g5. Again, /emote and /say aren’t enable so you can’t miss a guild chat. Unless you’re on Mac Beta of course when the bug happens where it deletes! >.<

I really hope this helps people. Using chat tabs is a lot more of a friendly way of dealing with your problems than singling out any type of player. Please don’t unfairly cut out roleplayers. RP might not be to everyone’s taste, but we all have one thing in common – we’re all Guild Wars 2 players and we love this game so much! <3

This right here is the easy solution. Had to do this years ago to get away from the emote spamming in wvw while not totally disabling emotes, also handy anyways having a separate tab showing the important stuff like party/whisper/guild so they’re not getting lost and flooded out in main chat.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Bellatrixa.3546:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

I was never bothered by the content, just that I couldn’t read any /guild or /map chat due to the volumes of text spewing from a small fraction of the RPers.

This is the issue for me over what I see being said. I appreciate Penelope clarifying that not all RPers are inappropriate with what they say but boy, on NA we have some doozies who are; including some who don’t actually become explicit, but are… discomforting without being graphic. On my years on the internet, I have come across people who are serious about some incredibly explicit/inappropriate roleplaying and some who will do it in public, not just to troll. Whether the people I’ve seen doing it in NA DR are trolling or not is not for me to judge and the only people who will truly know are those people. Such is the nature of RPing, as I’m sure a lot of people are aware.

I’ve played my fair share of D&D over the years so honestly, I have no issue with roleplaying. Just having to change my chat options (which due to personal health reasons I can’t always remember to change back immediately) because of walls of text that are currently not supported properly by the game which interfere with what I and others are doing. The walls of text are where I think the ‘spam’ definition has some weight.

No one’s honestly saying RPers should gtho of DR (well, some people might really feel that way), just that we’d like ANet to give RPers proper integration into the game so they’re not so heavily ostracised or seen as a nuisance. The RP section being added to LFG was a great start but I think everyone can agree that there’s more that could and should be done for everyone to co-exist more harmoniously.

As for RP chat range, maybe that could be the same radius as Say chat? Also if people trolled RP chat, it’d be easier for GMs to understand the context of a report as it would be clear it was targeted harassment towards a group of players as they’d have to be typing in RP chat to do so, instead of trying to claim that they’re responding to someone else in the channels we have now. I don’t know, I don’t get why a channel dedicated to RP would be a bad thing as in my eyes it would actually give RPing more legitimacy than the current form of co-opting emotes with large walls of text, and could by extension clear up a lot of issues that people have with RPers.

Very helpful, and thank you so much for helping with these useful suggestions. I have my chat windows separated differently, but I think you setup is great, too!

The thing I want to emphasize is that rather than ostracizing someone or a group of players, why not look for a means to allow everyone to participate in our game on a level playing field? Rather than limiting, refine! Organize your UI and I believe you will see improvements in your experience on several levels.

On the other hand, if what some of the comments referenced above is happening in All Chat or in the wide range of emotes, then it should be reported, if only for a reality check by an impartial agent.

By this defenition, its the job of the non-roleplayers to change their channals to avoid the Role Play. Me and my guildies occasionaly use an emote, so we should turn off all emotes to give RP’ers their safe space?

Basically these threads always equate to this:

Non-Roleplayer: "Give roleplayers a separate channel so I don’t have to see their Roleplay.

Roleplayer: “You know you can make a separate tab of your own so you don’t have to see it?”

Non-Rolplayer: “I shouldn’t have to do that!”

Yet the roleplayer should have to be forced a new chat channel to appease those who don’t want to create their own. And then get called names by RP-haters in the process of the threads.

I see a couple of extremely anti and unproductive posts against RP, however a “mob force” is exaggerating a bit. I play GW2, I Pve, PVP, Wvw, and RP. I would love to see a channel or /command function for roleplay.

While I do agree it would be giving roleplayers “special” treatment to make a channel or command for them to use to RP, I really don’t see how it would be a negative change. Why are you so against such an idea? Why is it such a big deal to type /rp instead of /me? It would be just as easy to use, non roleplayers could keep emotes on, and it’s a heck of a lot better then blocking people!

I still haven’t really gotten an answer on why you are so against something like this. /rp (all the same functions as /me but not tied to all other emotes). Yes RPers would need to change the two letters they type from m and e to r and p, but I really don’t see that being a game changer for anyone xD

penelopehannibal.8947:

Basically these threads always equate to this:

Non-Roleplayer: "Give roleplayers a separate channel so I don’t have to see their Roleplay.

Roleplayer: “You know you can make a separate tab of your own so you don’t have to see it?”

Non-Rolplayer: “I shouldn’t have to do that!”

Yet the roleplayer should have to be forced a new chat channel to appease those who don’t want to create their own. And then get called names by RP-haters in the process of the threads.

Except that’s not how it is.

Non-roleplayer part is right, but the Roleplayer part in real is “turn off a whole public channel that also is useful for others than RP:rs if you don’t want to see it.”

And the second non-roleplayer part is again right, since it is really is not a good solution having to turn off a whole channel because of that.

Think of it like if there is 5 people flooding /map nonstop, does that mean that good solution is that everyone else has to turn the whole /map channel off?

That’s again the problem of the too wide /em.

Miku.6297:

I see a couple of extremely anti and unproductive posts against RP, however a “mob force” is exaggerating a bit. I play GW2, I Pve, PVP, Wvw, and RP. I would love to see a channel or /command function for roleplay.

While I do agree it would be giving roleplayers “special” treatment to make a channel or command for them to use to RP, I really don’t see how it would be a negative change. Why are you so against such an idea? Why is it such a big deal to type /rp instead of /me? It would be just as easy to use, non roleplayers could keep emotes on, and it’s a heck of a lot better then blocking people!

I still haven’t really gotten an answer on why you are so against something like this. /rp (all the same functions as /me but not tied to all other emotes). Yes RPers would need to change the two letters they type from m and e to r and p, but I really don’t see that being a game changer for anyone xD

Sorry, in amongst all the other posters who call RPers ‘nerds’ and ‘special snowflakes’ and make accusations that we have inappropriate liaisons with mordrem in the middle of Divinity’s Reach, I have kind of forgotten my point half way through typing my reply to you. Apologies for that.

What I mean to say is, we don’t need two different types /emotes. Mainly because the emotes of RP affect very few people, but also it would be needed a lot less (and there’d be less complaints too!) if the range of normal emotes was reduced back to how it was.

I suspect most people who complain about RP emotes are the ones that are crafting/using MF in the Royal Terrace to be honest. People’s emotes from the Ossan Tavern there can bee seen.

I’m not actually particularly against that idea of a second ‘emotes’, but I just don’t think it is particularly needed either, especially if the /em range was addressed. A new ‘/say’ channel though (i.e. where our characters’ dialect is done), is definitely not needed. It is mostly that which I’m against.

Edit: Lets not forget, it’s not just RP emotes that are seen at far too wide a range. In-house emotes such as /dance and /kneel and /sit are also seen from too far, which could also do with being addessed.

penelopehannibal.8947:

What I mean to say is, we don’t need two different types /emotes. Mainly because the emotes of RP affect very few people, but also it would be needed a lot less (and there’d be less complaints too!) if the range of normal emotes was reduced back to how it was.

I’m not actually particularly against that idea of a second ‘emotes’, but I just don’t think it is particularly needed either, especially if the /em range was addressed. A new ‘/say’ channel though (i.e. where our characters’ dialect is done), is definitely not needed. It is mostly that which I’m against.

I agree a reduction in range would be one way to address the problem. Though the long range does make it easier to notice and join a random RP if you are in the area. That’s why I keep suggesting a new /rp command. It could keep the same distance (maybe a tiny bit smaller) and people that didn’t want to see it could simply turn it off, without turning all emotes off. Think of it as a counter measure to further posts like this one. Even with reduced range, people are still going to see it and say they want it off without turning off emotes.

Yea the current range is a bit… massive but some people do like it in some aspects of the game.

jheryn.8390:

What is wrong with giving RPers something of their own?

Because usually it’s not roleplayers asking for it! It’s people who are not RPing that are asking for roleplayers to change the way they do things.

And I understand that RPers are a smaller minority than Non-RPers. But RPers are not a smaller minority to those complaining about RP which was my point.

penelopehannibal.8947:

jheryn.8390:

What is wrong with giving RPers something of their own?

Because usually it’s not roleplayers asking for it! It’s people who are not RPing that are asking for roleplayers to change the way they do things.

And I understand that RPers are a smaller minority than Non-RPers. But RPers are not a smaller minority to those complaining about RP which was my point.

One, I am not asking anyone to change anything. If I were RPing (and I have) I would not want all the other chatter impeding on the RP conversations. For me, it breaks submersion.

And as far as changing the way RPers do thing, it didn’t seem to bother those RPers to tell me and my friend to go somewhere else so we weren’t bothering their RPing. Now who is asking who to change the way they are playing?

An RP channel won’t do anything besides be where people go to troll or at best organize to meet up to RP. I’ve seen RP channels in other games and they are always exactly that. RP will never happen in them since it is how some else mentioned. Stacy and Joe might be at a tavern, Rob and Burt might be at the Seraph HQ and Linda and Rachel are in a house across town. Those pairs do not want to hear the conversations of the others. Not because “Grrr… RPers”, but because it gets hard to try and sort through dozens of posts when your character wouldn’t even be aware of them since they are not even in the same district. Now let’s actually use the real size of what a zone like DR would look like during prime time and it would be an endless unreadable stream of text.

Not happening.

I use /e because that is literally what the command is for and has been in many MMOs before and after GW2. This will not change, but do not despair! I have come with solutions.

1 – Bring down the emote range to /say.

2 – Give an option to disable custom emotes (/e /me).

Why anyone would have emotes on if they are not an RPer is beyond me. Friends still do the “Hey! Over here!” wave on your screen so you know they are waving at you and you don’t get “Silver Invader laughs” spammed 20x in WvW, but you do you. I’ll be over here enjoying the game and RP.

jheryn.8390:

penelopehannibal.8947:

jheryn.8390:

What is wrong with giving RPers something of their own?

Because usually it’s not roleplayers asking for it! It’s people who are not RPing that are asking for roleplayers to change the way they do things.

And I understand that RPers are a smaller minority than Non-RPers. But RPers are not a smaller minority to those complaining about RP which was my point.

One, I am not asking anyone to change anything. If I were RPing (and I have) I would not want all the other chatter impeding on the RP conversations. For me, it breaks submersion.

And as far as changing the way RPers do thing, it didn’t seem to bother those RPers to tell me and my friend to go somewhere else so we weren’t bothering their RPing. Now who is asking who to change the way they are playing?

One, where did I say it was you personally doing this? I’m clearly talking about overall on these threads that pop up. I thought I would have made that clear when I said “Because usually it’s not roleplayers asking for it!” Usually meaning not you specifically.

Two, it wasn’t me asking you to move away. You’re now directing a specific experience towards me and towards roleplayers in general. That can work both ways, when I have been in RP with a few of my friends where we’re innocently walking towards our intended target during an RP event, and had some Charr interrupting us by spamming area of effect skills on us to troll. I’m not saying this is you and your type of player specifically, so please don’t say what you experienced is me or RPers overall.

Because I’m not trying to turn this into an argument at all. I’m just trying to defend roleplayers because it is far often that they get the blunt end of the stick with threads like this. And because far too often Roleplayers are told how and when they should use /say chat or /emotes by people who usually have nothing better to do than find an excuse to make roleplayers the bad guys. Roleplay affects very, very few non-roleplayers in a negative way.

And further more, those few who want a change seldom want to change anything themselves, they want change to happen elsewhere. In this case, they want a different chat channel for RPers to talk in, instead of changing the way their own chat tabs work so they don’t lose any conversation. Well sorry to those people (again, not saying you specifically) but that is not how the world works most of the time.

Banono.4597:

1 – Bring down the emote range to /say.

2 – Give an option to disable custom emotes (/e /me).

Why anyone would have emotes on if they are not an RPer is beyond me. Friends still do the “Hey! Over here!” wave on your screen so you know they are waving at you and you don’t get “Silver Invader laughs” spammed 20x in WvW, but you do you. I’ll be over here enjoying the game and RP.

For example because guildies and friends always greets me with a /wave and I always have something open on my screen (TP, bank) if I’m somewhere like the Terrace so I never see the animation, but I see the message.

Turning off emotes is not an option for me. Those two fixes would fix all problems.

Ameepa.6793:

Banono.4597:

1 – Bring down the emote range to /say.

2 – Give an option to disable custom emotes (/e /me).

Why anyone would have emotes on if they are not an RPer is beyond me. Friends still do the “Hey! Over here!” wave on your screen so you know they are waving at you and you don’t get “Silver Invader laughs” spammed 20x in WvW, but you do you. I’ll be over here enjoying the game and RP.

For example because guildies and friends always greets me with a /wave and I always have something open on my screen (TP, bank) if I’m somewhere like the Terrace so I never see the animation, but I see the message.

Turning off emotes is not an option for me. Those two fixes would fix all problems.

Those are the best solutions. I spent all of 10 seconds thinking them up so you know they are good!

But honestly the way RP works (a lot of people are clueless so sorry if I’m repeating known stuff) is we need to be semi public. If we are not we die out. Just like any aspect of the game we have turnover. We also need our own little sandboxes to play in. Public sandboxes that others can join us in, but if we had just one big box it would be chaos and unreadable.

We can hope Anet will do those suggestions, but in the end they are not too keen on throwing RPers a bone. Though this is more of a non RPer request… so I dunno.

Turning off emotes is an option since it is literally in the chat settings you just choose not to use it like I choose not to go private and let my community die off. You could also just ignore me and my kind. I won’t be heartbroken.

Banono.4597:

1 – Bring down the emote range to /say.

2 – Give an option to disable custom emotes (/e /me).

That first suggestion I think everyone agrees with, RPer and Non-RPer alike.

That second suggestion is actually a very good idea, if possible to impliment.

Squee.7829:

Oh, and as for the "singling out RP’ers thing,: I really don’t have anything against RP people. I’m singling you out, yes. But because this is a forum thread specifically about RP. So, don’t make assumptions about me being hostile, please. If this were a thread about just people being vulgar, RP would not have even crossed my mind.

Yea well, but the problem is offensive speech. RP’ing isn’t against the rules, vulgar speech is. Just because vulgar speech is used in some RP’ing, it doesn’t casually relate the two. If you nip the problem of offensive speech by making all forms easily reportable and blocked then, there is no problem. Why would you attack RP’ers that have nothing to do with it? If 5 people in a row with blue shirts insulted you, do you go find a way to ban people from wearing blue shirts? (Hint: Kittens are kittens regardless of shirt color)

And really, there’s only so much they can do. If one is really thinking about preemptively censoring people just because they might offend, then I suggest turning off everything except party/whispers, and maybe not even that.

But then again, you can tell by the emotionally charged nature of this thread, that rational thinking is secondary. I think it’s very easy to direct frustration at anything associated with it. Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes it’s better to have people that are a bit distanced from the whole thing.

I don’t have any emotional investment in the matter. A lot of this RP makes me cringe, however the ones in Rata Sum make me laugh simply because they are just so unusual that it provides something else over the dreariness of emptying out inventory. Forcing them to be in their own channel would probably make some days for me dimmer, honestly.

And I do report the occasional immature edgelord for sprouting out garbage.

penelopehannibal.8947:

What is really wrong with roleplayers? This thread is once again, like the last ones, turning into a mob force against roleplayers by people who play a roleplaying game but don’t actually like roleplaying. It’s getting quite pathetic now.

Thats why i dislike GW2 community so much, have you even tried to understand my message? I myself ****** enjoy roleplayers, i would join myself if i wouldnt grow and be friends with such hostile entervinoment towards RP and imagination as whole as most of my family and pals.

You can write "*Koko slapped Nick in the face while doing silly grin, she shouted “Stop touching my skirt you freaking pervert!”*" on say/party or squad chat, You dont have to write emotes in emotes chat, stuff happens in your head anyway.

Besides dont you RPers have a guilds where you gather and have precise hours and such made for your events?
Dont you gather first on guild chat or whisper before going to said tavern or castle or wherever else you guys go to play?

My enemy here is OP who made this topic, i dont see how some guys writing full sentences on chat can be a harm to kittening anybody.

Furthermore mostly what i see on those forums are kitten ideas made by random people, thanks to them we already lost full armor skins, what next, complete chat censor?

penelopehannibal.8947:

One, where did I say it was you personally doing this?

You didn’t, but when you lump me or anyone into a group, you get responses like mine. If you want to address “Non-RPers” as a general group then you should expect responses from that group whether you single them out or not.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Two, it wasn’t me asking you to move away. You’re now directing a specific experience towards me and towards roleplayers in general. That can work both ways, when I have been in RP with a few of my friends where we’re innocently walking towards our intended target during an RP event, and had some Charr interrupting us by spamming area of effect skills on us to troll. I’m not saying this is you and your type of player specifically, so please don’t say what you experienced is me or RPers overall.

So let me understand something… You can admonish me for replying to you personally after you lump me in with a general group of people. At the same time you can reply to me on a personal level about something I said that didn’t involve you in any way whatsoever? I gave a specific example of something that happened to me that didn’t include you or even suggested that you or any others were like this. I believe you should look up hypocrisy and double standards.

I never suggested or even inferred that it was you or RPers overall. Just an example of bad seeds in all player groups. Overly sensitive much? (Yes, this one is directed at you, not anyone else for clarity’s sake.)

penelopehannibal.8947:

Because I’m not trying to turn this into an argument at all. I’m just trying to defend roleplayers because it is far often that they get the blunt end of the stick with threads like this. And because far too often Roleplayers are told how and when they should use /say chat or /emotes by people who usually have nothing better to do than find an excuse to make roleplayers the bad guys. Roleplay affects very, very few non-roleplayers in a negative way.

And further more, those few who want a change seldom want to change anything themselves, they want change to happen elsewhere. In this case, they want a different chat channel for RPers to talk in, instead of changing the way their own chat tabs work so they don’t lose any conversation. Well sorry to those people (again, not saying you specifically) but that is not how the world works most of the time.

Again, I believe you are taking this WAY to personally. When I and some of the others above have offered the suggestion to create a RP channel, we weren’t saying that all role players HAD TO GO THERE to role play. Role players can do what they want in whatever channel they want. I, and most I would assume, really don’t care. Forgive those of us that actually were trying to be helpful and give role players another option. Not command. Option. Sheesh!

The RP channel would not do a single thing to prevent the issue the OP is talking about and if anything might make it worse since it might result in more RP since it will make organizing the public and non guilded RPers a lot easier.

So I say make the channel if Anet wants to, but lol if you think it will be used for actual RP. /say and /e is where it will always be unless of course Anet goes full potato and bans it and then we will see a mass exodus of RPers. I’d probably jump off a roof with my pants on my head thinking I could fly too since in that world everything is kitten backwards.

Leming.8436:

penelopehannibal.8947:

What is really wrong with roleplayers? This thread is once again, like the last ones, turning into a mob force against roleplayers by people who play a roleplaying game but don’t actually like roleplaying. It’s getting quite pathetic now.

Thats why i dislike GW2 community so much, have you even tried to understand my message? I myself ****** enjoy roleplayers, i would join myself if i wouldnt grow and be friends with such hostile entervinoment towards RP and imagination as whole as most of my family and pals.

You can write "*Koko slapped Nick in the face while doing silly grin, she shouted “Stop touching my skirt you freaking pervert!”*" on say/party or squad chat, You dont have to write emotes in emotes chat, stuff happens in your head anyway.

Besides dont you RPers have a guilds where you gather and have precise hours and such made for your events?
Dont you gather first on guild chat or whisper before going to said tavern or castle or wherever else you guys go to play?

My enemy here is OP who made this topic, i dont see how some guys writing full sentences on chat can be a harm to kittening anybody.

Furthermore mostly what i see on those forums are kitten ideas made by random people, thanks to them we already lost full armor skins, what next, complete chat censor?

On your point about “You don’t have to say it in /say chat” – again, you don’t seem to understand how most RP works (or I’m mis-interpreting your main point I could be I dunno). RP isn’t always about doing it with friends/guild mates. It’s sometimes about random walk-up RP with people you’ve never even met before. That’s why in the four years the game has been out, /say chat has been used, since you’re not going to start a party/squad with someone you don’t know exists yet, do you?

And yeah I agree with you that some suggestions really don’t get a lot of thought through a lot. But the suggested made earlier was good, regarding making the custom emotes toggle-able. It means rather than deviding players (and in a wider sense, rather than ‘managing’ types of players against their will) it means both types of players are in control of what they do and don’t see.

A non-roleplayer doesn’t want to see a long wall of emotes whilst they are crafting in DR. I understand that completely. By the same notion, Roleplayers don’t want a long wall of out-of-character map chat about ‘Fractal builds’ or ‘top keks’ or ‘Kanye West for President’ whilst they’re trying to engage with other roleplayers in the local chat channel.

So what we do is separate /map chat from /say chat into separate tabs. I don’t understand why the non-rpers who complain about the emotes can’t do the same thing and separate their emotes from their map chat.

Squee.7829:

Plus, emote channel is the most likely one to get spammed. And not by RP’ers. I can’t even recall all the times I’ve been in LA (where I spend a lot of time) and I just get a 3 minute wall of grey text saying “XxInsecure Player xX is busting out some moves. Some sweet sweet dance moves” as someone repeatedly starts and stops dancing. Because reasons I guess.

All the more reason to QoL the emote text to include clickable report/block names, like with /say.

And Miku’s suggestion of a separate channel/command is spot on. Those who are interested will keep it, those who aren’t will do the smart thing and shut the /rp channel off, while keeping /emote so they can see some game notifications. And those trolling the channel will be obvious, and thus easier to report (with clickable names in emotes).
It also does give legitimacy to RP as a play experience. If left on by default, it could signal interested players to finding roleplaying spots, and those who aren’t interested in hearing all of Rata Sum making out can unclick the channel and not worry about regularly blocking people.

Rauderi.8706:

Squee.7829:

Plus, emote channel is the most likely one to get spammed. And not by RP’ers. I can’t even recall all the times I’ve been in LA (where I spend a lot of time) and I just get a 3 minute wall of grey text saying “XxInsecure Player xX is busting out some moves. Some sweet sweet dance moves” as someone repeatedly starts and stops dancing. Because reasons I guess.

All the more reason to QoL the emote text to include clickable report/block names, like with /say.

And Miku’s suggestion of a separate channel/command is spot on. Those who are interested will keep it, those who aren’t will do the smart thing and shut the /rp channel off, while keeping /emote so they can see some game notifications. And those trolling the channel will be obvious, and thus easier to report (with clickable names in emotes).
It also does give legitimacy to RP as a play experience. If left on by default, it could signal interested players to finding roleplaying spots, and those who aren’t interested in hearing all of Rata Sum making out can unclick the channel and not worry about regularly blocking people.

So would this RP channel be a zone wide chat, emote 2.0 or what?

jheryn.8390:

Snip. Something about lumps.

I wasn’t lumping you with anything.

You asked me a simple question: What is wrong with RPers being given such and such a thing.

My answer was: Because it’s usually not RPers asking for such and such a thing.

That’s it. You took it personally when i wasn’t addressing any player at all. I said usually which I explained to you two replies ago. Because this isn’t the first anti-RP thread on these forums, and it won’t be the last.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

My resistance above to an RP channel was based on my perhaps faulty assumption that the channel would be akin to Map chat, ie zone wide. If it instead has a /say range but acts like /em in that it puts the character’s name at the start, I’d love it. Then emotes could remain their boring dull grey wide-radius selves and /rp comments could replace them, mixed with /say since sometimes one doesn’t want to describe an action, one merely wants to comment, and since about any color would be better than that grey, we’d get readable rp emotes!

penelopehannibal.8947:

Because this isn’t the first anti-RP thread on these forums, and it won’t be the last.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

This isn’t an anti-RP thread, at least not everyone in it is anti RP. Asking for a method that non RPers can use to not see the RP messages without having to turn emotes completely off is not anti RP.

Miku.6297:

penelopehannibal.8947:

Because this isn’t the first anti-RP thread on these forums, and it won’t be the last.

I give up on the rest, I’m off to go RP.

This isn’t an anti-RP thread, at least not everyone in it is anti RP. Asking for a method that non RPers can use to not see the RP messages without having to turn emotes completely off is not anti RP.

A lot of this thread was anti-RP – not all of it granted. But I’ve had two whispers from moderators now saying my message was deleted because it quoted another deleted message. So some of the more extreme messages against RP have since been deleted, which might be why you’re not/no longer seeing it.

penelopehannibal.8947:

Basically these threads always equate to this:

Non-Roleplayer: "Give roleplayers a separate channel so I don’t have to see their Roleplay.

Roleplayer: “You know you can make a separate tab of your own so you don’t have to see it?”

Non-Rolplayer: “I shouldn’t have to do that!”

Yet the roleplayer should have to be forced a new chat channel to appease those who don’t want to create their own. And then get called names by RP-haters in the process of the threads.

If I’m trying to speak to some people in /Say, but there are walls of text by RPers so that I can’t keep track of my convo, how is that my fault? RP is a separate activity from what has become normal MMO gameplay. That is why many MMOs have Roleplay servers – because most people don’t RP. I’m not saying that RPers need to be segregated, but the rest of us are just trying to do our thing in the game. I personally am not even a little interested in the drama / Soap Opera that is usually happening in the RP scene.

And I don’t have to be a “RP-hater” to not want to deal with it. I don’t usually pay any attention to sports either but that doesn’t mean I hate it.

So two out of all the messages posted and quoted have been deleted? Two posts being extremely rude does not equal a thread that is anti RP.

Usually thread moderation happens because the post is inflamitory, against the terms of use, or heading way off the topic. In a thread talking about RP chat/emote messages I would expect to see the discussion going both ways.

Djinn.9245:

If I’m trying to speak to some people in /Say, but there are walls of text by RPers so that I can’t keep track of my convo, how is that my fault? -snip-
And I don’t have to be a “RP-hater” to not want to deal with it. I don’t usually pay any attention to sports either but that doesn’t mean I hate it.

You would have the same result if alot of players in your area used /say to talk about things (rp or not) in /say wouldn’t you?

The only reason the RP chat is more noticeable is it tends to be longer/more often due to describing the actions as well as talking. That’s why either much shorter emote range, and/or a way to block RP messages that doesn’t involve blocking the player or turning off all emotes.

Banono.4597:

Rauderi.8706:

Squee.7829:

Plus, emote channel is the most likely one to get spammed. And not by RP’ers. I can’t even recall all the times I’ve been in LA (where I spend a lot of time) and I just get a 3 minute wall of grey text saying “XxInsecure Player xX is busting out some moves. Some sweet sweet dance moves” as someone repeatedly starts and stops dancing. Because reasons I guess.

All the more reason to QoL the emote text to include clickable report/block names, like with /say.

And Miku’s suggestion of a separate channel/command is spot on. Those who are interested will keep it, those who aren’t will do the smart thing and shut the /rp channel off, while keeping /emote so they can see some game notifications. And those trolling the channel will be obvious, and thus easier to report (with clickable names in emotes).
It also does give legitimacy to RP as a play experience. If left on by default, it could signal interested players to finding roleplaying spots, and those who aren’t interested in hearing all of Rata Sum making out can unclick the channel and not worry about regularly blocking people.

So would this RP channel be a zone wide chat, emote 2.0 or what?

Miku’s suggestion was /emote2.0, so the same (smaller) range and display, but moving it to its own channel, like you would have for /map or /squad. Fully opt-in or opt-out, which is better for everyone.

For me, I’d probably keep a chat tab with /map and /rp so I can occasionally glance and see what’s going on without losing my /emote notices from my main tab.

And +1 to Donari’s suggestion. Get rid of the grey and let the RP folks have some color in their /rp emotes.

Oh andincaseIdidn'tmentionlowertheemoterangeandmakeemotenamesclickable

I rarely see RP outside of DR so I already consider it their turf, or “channel” if you will. Yes some stuff is cringeworthy but I havent seen anything worth reporting yet. I suppose being able to directly block players over their emotes would be a simple and effective solution for stuff that gets extremely profane or racist. People should definetly be more lenient when it comes to reporting a RPer though. If someone says “Hey you tree hugger, we dont take kindly to Sylvari around here” I wouldnt consider that racism.

Miku.6297:

Djinn.9245:

If I’m trying to speak to some people in /Say, but there are walls of text by RPers so that I can’t keep track of my convo, how is that my fault? -snip-
And I don’t have to be a “RP-hater” to not want to deal with it. I don’t usually pay any attention to sports either but that doesn’t mean I hate it.

You would have the same result if alot of players in your area used /say to talk about things (rp or not) in /say wouldn’t you?

The only reason the RP chat is more noticeable is it tends to be longer/more often due to describing the actions as well as talking. That’s why either much shorter emote range, and/or a way to block RP messages that doesn’t involve blocking the player or turning off all emotes.

I didn’t go into the details that have already been mentioned about explicit language, spamming of emotes, etc. that people object to in chat. I did mention walls of text which would not be helped by a shorter emote range.

My suggestion in an earlier post was that there should be a separate channel for Emotes which can also accept text. Since RPers use so many emotes, this would encourage them to RP in the Emote channel which people can either put on a separate tab or simply remove from their chat.

Solaris.2489:

I rarely see RP outside of DR so I already consider it their turf, or “channel” if you will.

One, DR shouldn’t be anyone’s “turf”. It’s a large city, so there’s plenty of comfy spots to RP without doing it near vendors and crafting stations.
Two, Rata Sum and, to a lesser extent, the Grove. Guuuuh. Even with a smaller emote radius, because those two zones are vertical, you would hear everything. And I frequently do. It’s pretty bad.

I agree Dj, I think the issue is some people are taking the term “channel” in a really negative way. I totally agree a special command or “channel” that could be turned off for all rp style emotes would be the best solution. It would just be modified /me command or channel that could be filtered on and off at players choice.

This whole thread is pretty pointless if we’re being honest.

Is Anet supposed to enforce a rule that RP must be done in a new RP channel? Is that RP channel on by default? What makes you missing your friend’s /wave more important than a new player going “Well, I guess no one RPs in this game.” because we’ve hidden all the RP?

Only fixes I see for this “issue” is the two I suggested earlier and the ability to click on names if they are using emotes to be able to block them since I know /block can be hard sometimes.

I support an RP channel for chat, and, if possible, any Emotes in that channel also be broadcast only in that channel.

I’ve seen some stuff in DR and in Rata Sum where no amount of reducing emotes in other channels will fix it:

Exhibit A:
A group stands centrally, amidst the TP and bank and crafting stations and use the Say channel to conduct their conversations. They’re different guilds, and often larger than a standard party, and I don’t think they’d go for making a squad and taking their chat there, or they would’ve done it by now. I’ve ended up blocking the lot of them, and it’s annoying because I do think at some point, somewhere else in the game, they could hold valuable information I may actually want to hear, or be decent in (OOC) map event groups, etc. I don’t think they’re bad people, just a little too easy on the Say channel - which I don’t want to turn off, because if someone uses it to ask a question, or announce an event, whatever, I want to be able to see that.

Exhibit B:
There was also an awesome bit of RP in DR the other month, where the people responsible invited everyone there to come and take part. Again, a few different guilds, and quite a good number of people involved - but then it’s all over the Say channel or their emotes range far wider than is sensible, and however excellent their RP was, it’s simply not agreeable that it turns up in the boxes of uninterested parties. It’s no wonder it’s viewed as spam and again, people that don’t truly deserve it are getting blocked.

I think there’s an etiquette of situation here, and it’s that RPers should have their corner of the world without anyone else imparting upon it or being annoyed by it. They are niche, and thus deserve a further place to enjoy themselves and their art without infringing on anyone else (said as an RPer of old, I’ll have you know, although I no longer indulge). And with an RP channel, if someone wants to listen in, they can select the channel, same as any other. If they don’t, turn it off, but don’t miss anything else in Say, Map, whatever. Sure, someone could troll the RP channel, but then RPers can block and even report a troll, right? After all, I’m fairly sure that’s a better way than me or others blocking largely innocent RPers instead.

Rauderi.8706:

Solaris.2489:

I rarely see RP outside of DR so I already consider it their turf, or “channel” if you will.

One, DR shouldn’t be anyone’s “turf”. It’s a large city, so there’s plenty of comfy spots to RP without doing it near vendors and crafting stations.
Two, Rata Sum and, to a lesser extent, the Grove. Guuuuh. Even with a smaller emote radius, because those two zones are vertical, you would hear everything. And I frequently do. It’s pretty bad.

With “turf” I mean they like to gather there on a regular basis. Ofc everyone can go where ever they want. As for the chat clutter they should just make emotes blockable. Until then there are different options for dealing with it, including closing chat window, manually blocking ppl, crying in a corner, going somewhere else, and my favourite: just accepting it and maybe write a funny emote or two myself while passing by.

it honestly amazes me folks are complaining yet at the same time not. There are better places to craft too, like in Ebonhawke. I don’t think that you’ll really need to be worrying about reading say or emotes while crafting..

I can understand wanting to block rpers who ERP or are doing other reasonably weird crap. Otherwise..shouldn’t be a bad simple read. Or just move yourself.

There are easy solutions in game already to prevent this like what Gaile suggested. Make different tabs. Someone gave the poor example of people spamming in map chat. You know what I’d do? Click on my other chat tab that doesn’t have map on. This /rp channel people are suggesting is redundant because it has the same function as /emote. Pointless.

Only thing devs should do is reduce the range on /emote.