Stealing from guild bank
Yes, this will get you banned and make tons of people hate you in the process.
And now I am putting Crabman.6839 on my list of people not to invite into any of my guilds.
No, but it does kinda make you a scumbag.
And now I am putting Crabman.6839 on my list of people not to invite into any of my guilds.
My thoughts exactly!!
Note to self, DO NOT invite CrabMan.6839 (might just simply block)
Ethics doesn’t mean anything to the OP I guess.
Mag Li [Oxy]
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>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know
I’m kinda surprised this was even asked outright…
I’m kinda surprised this was even asked outright…
Has to be a troll attempt.
>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know
It wouldn’t even cross my mind.
I don’t think anyone with any life experience will actually contemplate such a thing: to steal from people whom you barely know and think it’s OK…
Mag Li [Oxy]
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>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know
It wouldn’t even cross my mind.
I don’t think anyone with any life experience will actually contemplate such a thing: to steal from people whom you barely know and think it’s OK…
Yup, its call integrity
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well I’ve informed every recruiter in my guild to avoid this person. Whether it would net me a ban or not, I wouldn’t even consider mugging a guild for their hard earned stash. Seems a bit scumbaggish to me.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
In the way he worded his post, it is obvious he is asking because it is something that he is actually considering doing. He could have asked the question in a way that doesn’t look like he was planning on doing it.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
I think it should be. really.
>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know
Hey I got invited to a dinner party but I barely know anyone here, it’s cool if i rob the host right?
GamersWithJobs [GWJ]
Northern Shiverpeaks
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Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
I think it should be. really.
Why?
You won’t get a ban, because the Guild Leader can give permissions to withdraw items and gold from the guild bank himself. If you take everything in the Guild Bank, the Guild Leader would be partly responsible because he gave you the rights to do so.
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You will get banned (if proof provided) but the items won’t be returned to the guild.
So it’s a lose-lose situation for everyone.
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This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!
Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!
like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Or bring them to GW2 jail using the commandos and stuff.
Give a man fire, he will be warm, set a man on fire, he will be warm forever! …or dead…
So anet needs to be the cops, step in and perma ban you.
The problem with that is it forces Anet to review countless interpersonal arguments over who did what, who may or may not have the “right” to do X thing.
It would take a whole new team just to handle these policing requests.
GamersWithJobs [GWJ]
Northern Shiverpeaks
Northern Shiverpeaks
no just ban them and IP ban them and block them from accessing anything GW2 ever again
ah but the bigger question here is if some one robs your guild and get banned and all that, does the guild get all the money and items back?
not everyone is trustworthy and certainly not in the face of a ton of free stuff plus cash, and to believe otherwise and to be so shocked at the idea of it is just ridiculous.
Is it actually a ban offence or are people just freaking out in panic that the idea they might be ripped off? is there some on this site i check to see if what the rules regarding this is?
It’s a really awful thing to do and everyone will hate you for it, but because guild bank permissions are at the discretion of the guild leader and not ANet, I don’t think it’s bannable.
I think it should be. really.
Why?
because your stealing. if you steal from a candy store they dont just get mad, they call the cops. So anet needs to be the cops, step in and perma ban you.
Stealing IRL is defined in a code of laws and legislation.
Find it in the Terms of Service and I will agree with you. Otherwise I stand by my statement and say it’s beneath contempt, but it’s not bannable.
I’m a member of a guild. I have full access to the bank. I take everything out of the bank and put it in mine.
What recourse does the guild master have? There were no rules in place as to who could access that bank tab.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Impossible.
Getting things out from the guild bank may not always be stealing, if the one who did it was allowed to do so! (i can remember on a couple of ways it is not stealing). But, there are cases where this indeed happens and it’s harsh!
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
Yes by giving somebody access to a bank tab you are actually telling them to take everything and run off……
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This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
Yes by giving somebody access to a bank tab you are actually telling them to take everything and run off……
Then lock it down if you don’t want that to happen, or define it in your guild rules.
Not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
Yes by giving somebody access to a bank tab you are actually telling them to take everything and run off……
Then lock it down if you don’t want that to happen, or define it in your guild rules.
Not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
It IS defined in the guild rules. Pretty much every sensible guild has rules in place for this. Taking everything from a guild for yourself and leave afterwards is incomprehensibly arrogant since the content of a guild bank is meant for everyone, not just for you.
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I agree with Shootsfoot, if you give permission for someone to have access to a bank tab, and they end up stealing everything in it, you were the one who allowed them access to it. Obviously they’re the one in the wrong and it’s mostly their fault, but part of the responsibility does lie with the GM.
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
Yes by giving somebody access to a bank tab you are actually telling them to take everything and run off……
Then lock it down if you don’t want that to happen, or define it in your guild rules.
Not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
It IS defined in the guild rules. Pretty much every sensible guild has rules in place for this.
Then boot them.
But don’t sit there and tell me it’s reasonable for ANet to cover every possible guild rule put in place in the ToS.
Be reasonable.
there’s no such thing as security
if you give someone access, they can take advantage
deny access or don’t put anything you don’t want to lose in there.
no one can steal anything you haven’t written down.
Smitten Mittens (The Gothic Embrace [Goth], Fort Aspenwood)
no just ban them and IP ban them and block them from accessing anything GW2 ever again
IP Banning it not a good idea. Most people do not have static addresses, so banning IP can make it so the person who got IP banned can get back on when they get a new IP, and someone else will find themselves banned because they just so happen to get the banned IP.
how are you even in the guild in the first place lol. If a guild invites non-trustworthy people and grants them access to bank which has 200g, then it’s the kitten guild’s fault. They should learn to pick better people or simply don’t store 200g in bank. I mean who does that? store 200g?
This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.
Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.
Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.
Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.
Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.
Indeed.
If the player at hand have access to withdraw funds from the guild bank it’s because he was allowed to do so. Although it’s a crappy thing to do, it’s not a bannable offense!
Also, there are 2 layers of bank access, “Guild Stash” and the “Guild Treasure Trove”, so it’s up to the guild leader to have the gold and crucial items secured in the trove!Trust is the key factor! Only give access to those who you trust!
But bannable or not, it’s still a gigantic bad thing to do!like I stated, amend the TOS and ban them
Amend the TOS to say WHAT?
If you give somebody access to a bank tab you are indirectly stating they are welcome to any of that stuff, therefore there’s nothing to steal.
Yes by giving somebody access to a bank tab you are actually telling them to take everything and run off……
Then lock it down if you don’t want that to happen, or define it in your guild rules.
Not sure why that’s so hard to grasp.
It IS defined in the guild rules. Pretty much every sensible guild has rules in place for this.
Then boot them.
But don’t sit there and tell me it’s reasonable for ANet to cover every possible guild rule put in place in the ToS.
Be reasonable.
I believe people who abuse a certain trust that was bestowed on them by robbing the entire guild bank should be punished for this misconduct and I’m the one not being reasonable?
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~Sincerely, Scissors
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how are you even in the guild in the first place lol. If a guild invites non-trustworthy people and grants them access to bank which has 200g, then it’s the kitten guild’s fault. They should learn to pick better people or simply don’t store 200g in bank. I mean who does that? store 200g?
While every guild should take steps to protect themselves from this kind of activity…. your post stinks of victim blaming.
GamersWithJobs [GWJ]
Northern Shiverpeaks
Northern Shiverpeaks
They should learn to pick better people…
Of course, why didn’t I think of that.
Please tell me where I can attent those mind reading lessons.
Regardless of whose fault it is, it’s despicable behavior and shouldn’t be defended like this..
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People aren’t defending it, I’m sure everyone agrees it’s an awful thing to do, others are just saying that it’s unrealistic for ANet to take on the huge workload that would result from having to deal with this. Therefore, it’s upto the guild leader to only allow people they trust to have access to the bank.
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
The dinner party analogy is flawed.
The dinner party analogy was strictly about his post insinuating that stealing is perfectly normal/expected if you “barely know” the victim(s).
GamersWithJobs [GWJ]
Northern Shiverpeaks
Northern Shiverpeaks
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
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As scummy as it is, taking everything from a guild bank and leaving is not stealing. If you have access to them, then the owner of those items gave you permission to take them if you want.
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?
How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?
How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?
If someone gives you access to something doesn’t mean you are allowed to abuse it. The guild bank is there for everyone, not just you.
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
~Sincerely, Scissors
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?
How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?
Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?
In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?
How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?
If someone gives you access to something doesn’t mean you are allowed to abuse it. The guild bank is there for everyone, not just you.
Now you are expecting that all people behave like good human beings. Laws must be explicitly written out because there is no room for vagueness, otherwise how could you ever convict someone of a crime? What you are describing is a rule of courtesy and goodwill.