Guild Wars 2

Amos.8760:

Odinsfury.8360:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Odinsfury.8360:

It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Amos.8760:

Odinsfury.8360:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Odinsfury.8360:

It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

I never said you should do it – in fact if you read my posts, I said it was scummy. All I’m saying is that it is not stealing, and the person cannot be punished for it. There are a lot of kitten moves out there that are perfectly legal.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Amos.8760:

Odinsfury.8360:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Odinsfury.8360:

It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

Yet it’s not against the law.

You guys are arguing it should be against the law. The guild bank is essentially a joint-account where everybody has access.

Cleaning out the account may not be nice, but it’s not against the law because you indirectly added that person’s name to the account by accepting them into the guild and giving them access to that tab.

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

DaShi.1368:

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

Did that co-leader get banned?

If not, I think this thread has been answered.

EnRohbi.2187:

DaShi.1368:

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

Did that co-leader get banned?

If not, I think this thread has been answered.

No, but the guild is dying fast.

I’m 99% sure you wouldn’t get banned. Anet doesn’t really do anything about any form of scamming, besides warning you to be wary of it.
Reminds me of a post about a month ago of someone who posted that the guild leader stole everything from the guild and wanted to know what they could do about it.

The cool thing about GW2 is that you have one name (account name). So if you do some kind of kittengery everyone will know who you are unless you spend another 60 bucks. Unlike most games where people do this with alts, take peoples money or items then disappear, you will be hated so long as you play that account. And $60 to get a new account isn’t worth any items in the game that you took.

Well, you’re not going to have to worry about being invited to any guilds soon enough anyways thanks to the thread, so the question is moot.

I can confirm that items stolen from guild bank are not returned as we had a person who was hacked in our guild few months back and who took everything from the vault which support couldn’t return (might have changed now but I don’t believe it has).

As for the blame on GM, yes it’s silly to store 200g in guild bank that is accessible to everyone as people can’t be relied on to comply by normal decent manners and integrity over the internet as much as in real life however that does not make it right to steal and it’s most definitely not a good excuse.

To the people saying it’s okay to steal everything that’s ridiculous. That’s like saying it’s okay to stay over at some family’s house and eat/drink everything out of their fridge/cupboards. Those items are clearly meant to be shared, it would be selfish, rude and theft to take those items as you didn’t buy them so they aren’t yours to do with as you please just because you have courtesy access.

Any decent person would ask for more valuable items as well (like a bottle of expensive champagne). Just because you are able to take everything and the family didn’t lock the fridge doesn’t mean it’s okay to take everything and that it isn’t theft.

That so many people seem to be okay with doing so is pretty appalling.

Anyone that steals from their guild bank should be perma banned. Not sure why the OP even thought this was a question anyone would even think about much less ask.

Any way to find out what guild this guy is in and warn the leadership?

You would likely be banned from the guild (everyone can see the history of who deposits and withdraws items and money from the guild bank), but not from the game (it’s not ArenaNet’s responsibility to babysit people).

If someone were to do this in my guild, I would not only get them banned from my guild, I would tell all my friends and guildies to spread the word to their alternate guilds not to invite this person to their guild (and why), and I would also add them to my ignore list (something that rarely happens with me…you have to do something really bad to get on my ignore list).

However, there are ways to safeguard against this…my guild has created a rank for the long-term well respected members of the guild, who can withdraw items and money from the guild bank. Also, you can allow deposit-to and/or withdrawal-from the guild-vault and guild-bank separately. In other words, you could have the guild-bank available only to officers and the guild-vault accessible to everyone, or vice-versa. This way you can have guild-funds accessible to certain people and inaccessible to others. Of course, this doesn’t protect against people being hacked, but will protect you from the odd jerk of a player that just takes everything and leaves as soon as he joins.

Take the money and run!

As others have said, it’s not a bannable offense as the Guild Leader made the decision to allow all members to withdraw items and money freely from the Guild Bank, but it is a VERY scummy thing to do. (And the fact that you would leave the guild to flee afterwards means you know very well that what you’re doing is wrong and would result in repurcussions.)

This is why I concur with Bron above; if you’re a GL, never, EVER, allow new guild members access to remove items from the Guild Bank. Feel free to allow anybody to add items to the Guild Bank, but only officers or trusted members should be able to remove items from it.

In my guild, we’ve further restricted this so that guild members (who have completed a probationary period) can withdraw items from the Guild Stash, but only Officers can withdraw items from the Guild Vault. (And only the Leader/Co-Leaders can withdraw items from the Deep Cave.) Cheap items (25c or less) are stored in the Guild Stash, while more valuable items (25c – 1s) are stored in the Guilt Vault. Super-expensive stuff (anything worth more than 1s) is stored in the Deep Cave. If a guild member wants to requisition an item from the Vault/Cave, they need to contact an officer and plead their case as to why they want it.

Shootsfoot.9276:

Salacious.7358:

This is a legit question guys, stop over reacting by being little kids. He is not saying he intends too, just wondering if their is a punishment. I mean I could walk into my guild bank take everything and leave – its like if I left my game running, my mom came and took all my gear for her self.

Anet should Ban, perma and IP (NOT just punish) those who steal.

Well, I’m not saying it’s right, but actually I don’t think it is bannable because I would think it would be up to the guildmaster/officers to decide what should and shouldn’t be available to new guild recruits.

Leaving it wide open like that is just asking for an idiot to take things and leave.

Crappy as it is, I don’t think it goes against ToS.

100% this. No way would Support take any action on this “thief”. Actually, if the guild invited him/her, AND allowed them access to the guild bank, then how is it stealing? The guild bank shouldn’t be anyone’s personal storage, it’s open to anyone that has access.

I agree that what the O kitten uggesting is not morally right, but I guarantee ANet would have no problem with it.

Anet will say they frown on this behaviour but they would not to anything about it.

FateOmega.9601:

Anet will say they frown on this behaviour but they would not to anything about it.

For good reason.

Anyone who leaves a million dollars on their lawn deserves to be robbed.

Better yet – make it into a game play element!
If someone takes something out of a guild stash, the guild can pay to put a contract on that persons head.

Step 1) Guild purchases an Assassin’s Contract – say 1 gold each
Step 2) Guild uses the Assassin’s Contract on someone who ‘withdrew’ from the stash
Step 3) Any where, any time, any situation, a Veteran Assassin can appear at the characters location and attempt to kill them. Only if the perpetrator dies, does the contract get fulfilled.
Step 4) Offer incentive to those around – say 5-10s if you help to fulfill the contract. It’s enough to make people target the perp, and stop any chance they have of ‘farming’ the Assassin (who also should give no loot).
Step 5) The guild is welcome to spend as much as they want on contracts

It might even be easy to implement using current game mechanics

biofrog.1568:

Better yet – make it into a game play element!
If someone takes something out of a guild stash, the guild can pay to put a contract on that persons head.

Step 1) Guild purchases an Assassin’s Contract – say 1 gold each
Step 2) Guild uses the Assassin’s Contract on someone who ‘withdrew’ from the stash
Step 3) Any where, any time, any situation, a Veteran Assassin can appear at the characters location and attempt to kill them. Only if the perpetrator dies, does the contract get fulfilled.
Step 4) Offer incentive to those around – say 5-10s if you help to fulfill the contract. It’s enough to make people target the perp, and stop any chance they have of ‘farming’ the Assassin (who also should give no loot).
Step 5) The guild is welcome to spend as much as they want on contracts

It might even be easy to implement using current game mechanics

Step 6) blatantly rip off eve

or was that step 1..

It is all a matter of trusting someone and being trustworthy yourself. A person has to have some modicum of integrity for without it you will lead a lonely life. In a previous game I was leader of a small guild and the people we had in that guild all trusted each other, or so we thought. The wife, myself and one other person were the most active guild members and therefore placed the most items into the guild vault. We had one rule that if you required something take it but put something of equal value that you did not require in its place and everyone followed it. Then one day we found a guild member that had been with us for almost a full year, had quit the guild and had cleaned everything out of the vault on his way out. The interesting point is the logs showed he had put very little in over his time period with us. We made sure that everyone in the game and on the forums knew who that person was. Poor guy never did find himself another guild.

However lesson learned on our part and since then the wife and I have formed our own guild, just the two of us for although 99% of the people are trustworthy there is always one bad apple in the barrel. I hate the stink of bad apples. They are useless and deserve nothing less then to be tossed on lifes garbage pile.

Qid.1937:

Step 6) blatantly rip off eve

or was that step 1..

Never played EVE, but if that’s so, then YES! :-)

biofrog.1568:

Better yet – make it into a game play element!
If someone takes something out of a guild stash, the guild can pay to put a contract on that persons head.

Step 1) Guild purchases an Assassin’s Contract – say 1 gold each
Step 2) Guild uses the Assassin’s Contract on someone who ‘withdrew’ from the stash
Step 3) Any where, any time, any situation, a Veteran Assassin can appear at the characters location and attempt to kill them. Only if the perpetrator dies, does the contract get fulfilled.
Step 4) Offer incentive to those around – say 5-10s if you help to fulfill the contract. It’s enough to make people target the perp, and stop any chance they have of ‘farming’ the Assassin (who also should give no loot).
Step 5) The guild is welcome to spend as much as they want on contracts

It might even be easy to implement using current game mechanics

I once played a game called Atlantica Online where a guild leader had the power to PK someone out in the open world for any reason but usually out of guild interests. Of course this was used sparingly as everyone had protection from their own guilds. I wonder how that might work out in GW2.

CrabMan.6839:

>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know

It’s something called ethics and integrity that make us human. I hate it when people tells me some kitten stuff like “online stuff stays online, it has nothing to do with real life”. I think it’s the other way around. What you do online truly does reflect who you are in real life.

It might not be against the ToS and it might have been the guild leader overlooking the rights. However, commiting such acts does make u a very kittenty and dishonest human being. Telling yourself it’s the guild leader’s fault for setting such rights doesn’t make u any more innocent.

Geotherma.2395:

The cool thing about GW2 is that you have one name (account name). So if you do some kind of kittengery everyone will know who you are unless you spend another 60 bucks. Unlike most games where people do this with alts, take peoples money or items then disappear, you will be hated so long as you play that account. And $60 to get a new account isn’t worth any items in the game that you took.

fun facts with math data from spidy

100 gems sells for 1 g 57 s 39 c .
100 gems costs 2 g 17 s 85 c to buy.
100 gems costs 1.25 USD to buy.
1 g costs 0.79 USD to buy through gems.

$60 / 0.79 = 75.9493G

so in this instance he has enough profit to buy two new accounts and still has ~50g left over if he can find someone willing to trade cash for gold if not and he wants to use the profits in game he gets the equivalent of $158 of cash to gem to gold conversion as pure profit at current prices

access controls exist for a reason, if you don’t use them its your own fault.

First off you can not steal something you have been given permission to take. While it may be a bit of a nasty move to do something like this, its not against the TOS and it is infact the Guilds responsability to “police” its own bank and who has access to it.

CrabMan.6839:

>implying you all wouldn’t take 200+ gold from the guild you barely know

Some of us have morals and aren’t kitten.

Keep in mind: Having the ability to do something doesn’t justify doing it.

Leaving my window open does not give you the right to rob me blind.

That being said, just because the guild leader “Gave you permission to use it” doesn’t mean he gave you permission to take everything. Furthermore, just because the ToS doesn’t explicitly say it, that doesn’t make it okay to do.

So could you be banned? I don’t know. Go ahead and do it. I’m sure this thread can and will be used as evidence, regardless.

People are arguing that “It’s not stealing” except that, you know…OP’s question makes it perfectly clear that he’s willingly and knowingly stealing.

Also, people seem to forget themselves. By defending this, people are unknowingly defending scamming. But scamming’s against the ToS. People in GW1 were banned/punished for trying to sell frozen ectoplasm as REAL ectoplasm. Technically it shouldn’t be a bannable offense. “Oh the newbies should have known it wasn’t REAL ectoplasm.”

Yet the scammers were banned. Why? They were just trying to sell an item. People should learn to look at the item carefully before okaying the trade. So why was it bannable? I don’t know. But then there’s this case.

(Keep in mind I don’t honestly think OP is in this situation, I think it’s more of a hypothetical question. Otherwise he’s an idiot for blatantly posting about considering stealing from his guild, at the risk of his guildmates finding out about it.)

But it’s funny to see the inconsistency of people. The whole "Your fault for not doing this. Your fault for not setting access right. " What if it was a glitch? GW2’s not a perfect game. I’ve had permissions go wonky before.

But hey, these same people are probably saying “it’s your fault you got molested/ kitten ” And when it happens to them, they’ll be right here whining about it, quickly forgetting their “darwinism survival of the fittest your fault for being stolen from” mindset. By their logic, scammers shouldn’t be banned, but scammers get banned/punished.

I guess people forget about rules in general.

Right to bear arms -> punished for showing them in public.
Freedom of speech -> punished for disturbing the peace with your words.

Are people so close minded that they see rules as absolutes? When you think of absolutes, you’re only leaving yourself open to people finding loopholes to get around these rules. I think it should be a bannable offense because it’s knowingly and willingly taking that which is not yours, without consent. Also, taking it with the intent on leaving right after, making off with the loot you took.

There’s any number of reasons why permissions could not get set properly. Like I said, sometimes the game just glitches and permissions don’t honestly save the way you think they are.

But then again, I keep my permissions in line, so it’s not like this issue directly affects me. I think the intent to do it is bannable, if not the action. So you might not get banned for it, but in my opinion you kitten well should be. People get banned for exploiting bugs. (Why should they be? Darwinism survival of the fittest do anything to get ahead mentality.)

Just because the ToS doesn’t CURRENTLY protect against it, doesn’t it mean it SHOULDN’T. Evolution is adapting and amending. Doing something that’s currently not against the rules doesn’t mean it’s okay to do.

I’m well aware, educated, and yet still am amazed where some people come from. I simply would not take what is not mine, nor have I earned, period. A person could leave a million dollars on their front lawn while on a month long vacation and I still wouldn’t take any of it. More so, I’d do my best to stop anyone from trying to steal it.

Where such a deep lack of empathy and values comes from amazes me.

For what it’s worth exactly the same rules apply in real life.

As someone else said a guild bank is basically a joint account. When my husband and I opened a joint account recently we were warned of exactly this – if one person takes all the money from it the bank will do nothing because we’re both well within our rights to do so and it’s up to us to set and abide by the rules of sharing the account and the money in it.

The only difference is we were told this before we opened the account and asked if we wanted time to think about it before going ahead with it. Maybe Anet could do something like that – put a warning somewhere on the guild bank that anyone with withdrawl permissions can take everything in there and run and they will not do anything so it’s up to you to make sure you don’t give permission to people you don’t trust.

Amos.8760:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Amos.8760:

Odinsfury.8360:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Odinsfury.8360:

It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

I never said you should do it – in fact if you read my posts, I said it was scummy. All I’m saying is that it is not stealing, and the person cannot be punished for it. There are a lot of kitten moves out there that are perfectly legal.

So, if I invite a friend to my house, and i leave my wallet on the table for a little while, its perfectly legal for him to take it? It wouldnt be stealing? Someone is let into a bank vault to check on their deposit box and it turns out that there is an unlocked deposit box close to it, is it perfectly legal for them to take all the stuff from it?

I don’t think you would get banned for it.
And why are ppl jumping on the op and telling there guild never to recruit him.
he just asking maybe he going to do his own guild and wanted to find out the facts first.

If you guys are that worried,what i would do is lock it down to the trusted ppl,then if the new members wanted out,all they have to do is ask the trusted players or officers for it,and when they got time they can take it out of guild bank and mail them it.
That’s what i would do with my guild anyway.

Blackwolfe.5649:

Amos.8760:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Amos.8760:

Odinsfury.8360:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Odinsfury.8360:

It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

I never said you should do it – in fact if you read my posts, I said it was scummy. All I’m saying is that it is not stealing, and the person cannot be punished for it. There are a lot of kitten moves out there that are perfectly legal.

So, if I invite a friend to my house, and i leave my wallet on the table for a little while, its perfectly legal for him to take it? It wouldnt be stealing? Someone is let into a bank vault to check on their deposit box and it turns out that there is an unlocked deposit box close to it, is it perfectly legal for them to take all the stuff from it?

The difference is that the wallet and the other deposit boxes are not shared posessions. The guild bank is.

It’s more like the table in my office kitchen where people leave food they’ve brought in for everyone to share. It’s well known that’s what the table is for and that anything left there is free for anyone else to take.

If you put a cake on that table and come back an hour later to find it’s gone you can’t complain that someone stole it. By putting it there you were saying that anyone in the office was welcome to take it.

Same with the guild bank. As soon as you put an item in there you’re reliquishing your ownership. You no longer get to say who can take it or what they can do with it. That’s up to the guild to decide via the permissions. If someone has permission to access the bank and they take what you’ve put in that’s fair.

If I have permission to empty a guild bank right after joining, I will do so. It’s not like I’m breaking any rules.

If you don’t want people to empty your bank, you shouldn’t give them bank rights…

You are all nice and honourable people, but so naive it makes my eyes bleed. Haven`t any of you played any game before GW2? If there is even a slight chance you can be scammed, you WILL be scammed at some point.
Moreover, some person who “robbed your bank” might himself think he`s just taking what he is entitled for (like the example above of a co-leader taking half of guild stash).

Only keep your money in guild bank if you are ready to part with it.

Just because we personally wouldnt empty the bank if given the chance, doesnt make us Naive. Im sure most of us are perfectly aware of the fact that there are people who would.

It can still be stealing if someone empties the guildbank, guilds have rules, though not all of them enforced by the game or even ANET. If the guild rules say “You may only withdraw 1 gold per day, if you really need it. If you really need more, ask an officer first for permission” Now should you still take out all the gold and run away with it, yes, its stealing.

If someone has a shared account in the bank with lets say the husband/wife and there is 100k in the account. Is it perfectly fine for the other half to take it all out and just leave the country never to be seen again?

If, on, lets say that office table Danikat mentioned, there were 1000 cakes (just to use a stupidly high number) and 1000 pies. Would it be perfectly fine if one person takes ALL of it? Probably not, Im sure there are set rules for people only to take just what they need. Should they abuse the trust they are given, there would be consequences.

It`s not ok, it`s not moral, it IS stealing, but it WILL happen eventually. I only call out naive because you appeal to something that is only enforced by ethics. You say there will be consequences, but they are mostly insubstential for a thief:
1. Anet won`t give out bans because Guild Leader gave the rights on stash for that person;
2. Publically ostrasizing that person will have no effect – if he was immoral enough to steal, he doesn`t really care what people think;
3. Spreading the word so the person won`t be accepted in other guilds – won`t work, because not all the people read the forums; there will always be guilds that accept people without checking on them first. In time dust will settle and he will find a guild (new players won`t know him).

So, essentially nothing prevents the thief from stealing everything you have, except for his innate goodness. Which you believe to be enough of a guarantee. I find it amazingly naive.

this song comes to mind

If there’s is someone who does this kind of despicable act online. What does it tells you about the player in real-life?

That the player that does it makes the extreme personal sacrifice of developing a really bad reputation in the hope that the guild leaders of this world take a little bit of time to set up proper permissions regarding who can and cannot access the communal guild banks.

It’s a horrible thing to do, but the fault is exclusively with the people who allowed it to happen.

As much as I hate to say it, it’s not theft at all.

Consider the analogy where I give someone in the real world access to a community bank account. If I do not have some kind of signed agreement made with every person I give access to this bank account that has them agree that it is punishable by X if they take stuff without permission, then if they raid the account and bail, it’s not illegal. Note here the requirement of signing some agreement before anything can be done about it. ANet’s guild team could theoretically implement some sort of “Guild Agreement” system to support these agreements, but that’s a lot of work for something that could be fixed by the guild leaders simply having more discretion in who gets what permissions. I’d rather them work on something more productive, honestly, like ‘last logged on’ or a guild calendar.

ANet cannot and will not act on a report that “some dude stole everything from my guild bank” because you implicitly told that person that it was OK for them to take anything they wanted out of the guild bank by giving them the permission to do so. This is, ultimately and unfortunately, not something that can be punished.

CrabMan.6839:

Say I was invited into some guild where I didn’t participate in guild life a lot but still I have access to the guild bank. Could it be bannable or however else punishable by support and considered scamming or something else if I took all the moneys and items and left the guild?

This has to be a troll. This is a surefire sign of sociopathic behavior.

It is still stealing depending on the rules of the guild etc. Whether anet takes any action against said thing is irrelevant.

Some people missing the point here. Everyone agrees it’s a bad thing to do. But, guild access to guild banks are essentially private agreements between guilds and their members.

It is not good to get your guild bank stripped by some kitten member, but it really has nothing to do with anet.

But no one is saying it’s good!!! Some people are having trouble separating good/bad and anet..,

Sokina.8041:

Keep in mind: Having the ability to do something doesn’t justify doing it.

Leaving my window open does not give you the right to rob me blind.

That being said, just because the guild leader “Gave you permission to use it” doesn’t mean he gave you permission to take everything. Furthermore, just because the ToS doesn’t explicitly say it, that doesn’t make it okay to do.

So could you be banned? I don’t know. Go ahead and do it. I’m sure this thread can and will be used as evidence, regardless.

People are arguing that “It’s not stealing” except that, you know…OP’s question makes it perfectly clear that he’s willingly and knowingly stealing.

Also, people seem to forget themselves. By defending this, people are unknowingly defending scamming. But scamming’s against the ToS. People in GW1 were banned/punished for trying to sell frozen ectoplasm as REAL ectoplasm. Technically it shouldn’t be a bannable offense. “Oh the newbies should have known it wasn’t REAL ectoplasm.”

Yet the scammers were banned. Why? They were just trying to sell an item. People should learn to look at the item carefully before okaying the trade. So why was it bannable? I don’t know. But then there’s this case.

(Keep in mind I don’t honestly think OP is in this situation, I think it’s more of a hypothetical question. Otherwise he’s an idiot for blatantly posting about considering stealing from his guild, at the risk of his guildmates finding out about it.)

But it’s funny to see the inconsistency of people. The whole "Your fault for not doing this. Your fault for not setting access right. " What if it was a glitch? GW2’s not a perfect game. I’ve had permissions go wonky before.

But hey, these same people are probably saying "it’s your fault you got molested/ kitten " And when it happens to them, they’ll be right here whining about it, quickly forgetting their “darwinism survival of the fittest your fault for being stolen from” mindset. By their logic, scammers shouldn’t be banned, but scammers get banned/punished.

I guess people forget about rules in general.

Right to bear arms -> punished for showing them in public.
Freedom of speech -> punished for disturbing the peace with your words.

Are people so close minded that they see rules as absolutes? When you think of absolutes, you’re only leaving yourself open to people finding loopholes to get around these rules. I think it should be a bannable offense because it’s knowingly and willingly taking that which is not yours, without consent. Also, taking it with the intent on leaving right after, making off with the loot you took.

There’s any number of reasons why permissions could not get set properly. Like I said, sometimes the game just glitches and permissions don’t honestly save the way you think they are.

But then again, I keep my permissions in line, so it’s not like this issue directly affects me. I think the intent to do it is bannable, if not the action. So you might not get banned for it, but in my opinion you kitten well should be. People get banned for exploiting bugs. (Why should they be? Darwinism survival of the fittest do anything to get ahead mentality.)

Just because the ToS doesn’t CURRENTLY protect against it, doesn’t it mean it SHOULDN’T. Evolution is adapting and amending. Doing something that’s currently not against the rules doesn’t mean it’s okay to do.

This post is filled with nothing but strawman arguments.

No “windows are being left open.”

It’s not “stealing” because you can’t “steal” something you have permission to take. And when you give permission to people to a bank tab, you are inherently giving them permission to be pigs if they choose to be.

It most-certainly isn’t a “bug.” Bank tab permissions are working as intended.

Not only is this not “scamming,” but there isn’t a single person in here saying it’s right. What they are saying is it’s wrong, but it’s not something you’re going to be banned over. So trying to insinuate any of us who say it’s not a bannable offense supports “scamming” is the most blatant strawman of your post.

Well, wait…no, the most blatant (and offensive) strawman argument in your post is equating this with molestation and kitten You can’t be serious, can you?

So because I answered the question that it’s not a bannable offense, I therefore support “scamming,” which — in turn — means I support molestation.

That has to be the single most outrageous thing I have ever read on these boards.

The bank tab is a joint account. If you have permission to the tab, you have permission every single item contained in it. If you choose to be a pig and take it all, expect the consequences of the guild. If the guild is concerned about the items in that tab, lock it down and make it officers only.

I have my own guild and guild stash, I have it where players can insert items in but not remove, if someone needs something, they will send me a mail and I can send them said item or amount of items.

Also, just because you have access to the guild bank, i know there are settings for the treasure trove, separate from regular guild bank. Have not gotten the treasure trove yet, so I do not know if it has its own place for gold or not.

That being said, no it wouldn’t get you banned, but would cause everyone in the GW2 community to shun you and make you the largest outcast in GW2, worse than the bloody thief class!

There is no law broken. But there is a betrayal of trust - something we all universally frowned upon. Unfortunately, some of you argued about the semantic of “stealing”, debated whether it is a guild leaders’ fault, etc., which has somewhat diluted the gravity of what OP is about to do. By saying “it is a bad thing”, yet immediately says “it’s the guild leader’s fault” or “it is not stealing” indirectly lessen the OP’s guilt if he does it.

If it is a bad thing, don’t make OP think it is “OK” to do it. He won’t read you argument – he will just see “it is the guild leader’s fault”.

Just say “NO” and “DON’T DO IT”.

I don’t think it should be punished, because it’s the guild leadership’s responsibility to only give trustworthy people access to guild bank. If somebody takes the money and runs it’s on the guild leader tbh.

If a guild cannot manage its bank – the single most vulnerable resource it has after its key members – it deserves to be hindered, OP has to decide if he will be the prick to pickup that duty on this occasion (it won’t be the last).

I leave my keys in my car’s ignition all the time – but its all those kid’s with the hoodies on that are responsible for it never being where I parked it raaaaaaaar.

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It should not be a bannable offense. The guild is in complete control over who has access to the the guild bank. The dinner party analogy is flawed. Here is a better one: Would you put someone on your real life bank account that you just met? Would you allow someone access to your real life bank account that you don’t trust?

In other words, if you give someone the opportunity to misbehave or commit a crime he is entitled to do so?

How is it a crime when someone gives you access to the money?

Exactly. If someone’s name is on a bank account, they are perfectly able to drain the account and never talk to you again.

Being ABLE to do something does NOT mean you should do it.

Ah you are talking about ethics – “should” is horribly incorrect, use “ought” like the pros.