Guild Wars 2

Ragnarox.9601:

Tom Gore.4035:

Comparing to WoW stealth is stupid, because in WoW you cannot restealth in combat save for a long cooldown ability. WoW stealth also breaks when you’re hit or take DoT damage.

WoW stealth is fine and what it should be.
GW2 stealth is op, cmon a class that have so many escape options + teleports + stealth with an autoattack that doing more than 50% dmg of your hp in one hit is just bullkitten. Plus HS doing 5k and you can even spam it. And thats the class that you can safely go full bers with no drawbacks.
This class need CD’s or cost more intiative plus removing backstab from autoattack. It just need revamp. Who ever thought to make a class that can stealth almost every few secs with avesome burst and autoattack and escape mechanism needs an Oscar for making that class. I even tried it with lv 5 thief in wvw and ended up killing 4 ppl in 5 mins of roaming LOL.

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

I’ve been playing on a thief for a few weeks now, and unless the people are afk, or noobish to the game…or down right unprepared for anything, it’s not that easy.

Next time you try to prove a point, please don’t write something you dreamt last night. You should know that learning how to play a thief isn’t as yeas as rolling a warrior.

And again for those people that hide behind the fact that this topic is not about thieves….please…

Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

And not just me, a lot of thieves will agree with me on this, every single class from the other 7 can beat the juice out of a thief, even thief against thief. It’s just a matter of skill, and how well you know your class and the enemeys class. This is were the saying “Know thy enemey” comes in mind.

Even in real life situation, brain and strategy can overcome manpower (well maybe think about the older days, today with the nukes and all that…not so cool).

Also, to be honest, nothing is more fun that meeting someone in PvP or WvWvW that really knows how to play, someone that is your equal 1 vs 1…that right there is how you learn to play you class and learn about the other one. Many times after dying in situations like this i went “Darn it… i could’ve use this and then that to beat him…” but it’s a lesson for the next time.

Akagami.9861:

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

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Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

Saddly you can be a pro thief in just 10 minutes. 50k hours? now who talks bout fantasy. And you cant win 1 vs 1 against a good skilled thief.

Ragnarox.9601:

Akagami.9861:

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

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Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

Saddly you can be a pro thief in just 10 minutes. 50k hours? now who talks bout fantasy. And you cant win 1 vs 1 against a good skilled thief.

Sure you can.

Mediguards do it almost automatically.

And again, there’s a certain joy in starting a channeled attack (or a CC) watching the rogue try to stealth out of it, and then seeing their corpse appear some seconds later when the stealth ends.

Stealth itself isn’t OP.

A lot of the direct utility that comes with going into stealth is, and this is not limited to the thief class. PU mes arguably has better gains.

DeceiverX.8361:

Stealth itself isn’t OP.

A lot of the direct utility that comes with going into stealth is, and this is not limited to the thief class. PU mes arguably has better gains.

PU mesmer is garbage outside duels. A thief on the other hand can join a zerg and spam the ridiculously good clusterbomb+choking gas combo.

Also PU mesmers can’t kill anyone who wants to run away from them, people who die to PU mesmers are people who stay in and eat the heavy ramp up of conditions. They kill slowly and they really don’t contribute much to WvW objectives.

A thief takes out a target quick and moreover can escape from a zerg easily whereas PU mesmer’s stealth isn’t going to gain him distance against a remotely competent group of people and on top of that they’re very easy to stunlock while shadowstep is a double port with condition removal and stunbreak built all in one.

There’s a good reason why GvG’s still take a thief or two into their rosters while they don’t incorporate any PU mesmers.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Ragnarox.9601:

Akagami.9861:

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

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Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

Saddly you can be a pro thief in just 10 minutes. 50k hours? now who talks bout fantasy. And you cant win 1 vs 1 against a good skilled thief.

Sure you can.

Mediguards do it almost automatically.

Who runs mediguard in WvW? Oh that’s right, almost no one since guardians don’t have much in the way of escapes from getting zerged.

SirWarriant.2319:

I beg to differ on them being laughably meaningless. Ya they don’t sit in the middle of the blob but if you have a few thieves flanking taking out the eles and other support that’s going to make a major difference.

I highly recommend this strategy. So please, enemy Thieves, if you are in blob v blob, go ahead and stealth and come on over to the back of our blob to try and snipe an ele or two. I could use the bags.

Zenith.7301:

DeceiverX.8361:

Stealth itself isn’t OP.

A lot of the direct utility that comes with going into stealth is, and this is not limited to the thief class. PU mes arguably has better gains.

PU mesmer is garbage outside duels. A thief on the other hand can join a zerg and spam the ridiculously good clusterbomb+choking gas combo.

Also PU mesmers can’t kill anyone who wants to run away from them, people who die to PU mesmers are people who stay in and eat the heavy ramp up of conditions. They kill slowly and they really don’t contribute much to WvW objectives.

A thief takes out a target quick and moreover can escape from a zerg easily whereas PU mesmer’s stealth isn’t going to gain him distance against a remotely competent group of people and on top of that they’re very easy to stunlock while shadowstep is a double port with condition removal and stunbreak built all in one.

There’s a good reason why GvG’s still take a thief or two into their rosters while they don’t incorporate any PU mesmers.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Ragnarox.9601:

Akagami.9861:

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

….
Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

Saddly you can be a pro thief in just 10 minutes. 50k hours? now who talks bout fantasy. And you cant win 1 vs 1 against a good skilled thief.

Sure you can.

Mediguards do it almost automatically.

Who runs mediguard in WvW? Oh that’s right, almost no one since guardians don’t have much in the way of escapes from getting zerged.

A PU mesmer in the ‘hiding in bay’ scenario is infinitely more than a thief in the same situation, because it’s actually useful, and 1/0 is still infinity.

Only way to balance stealth as it is in this game is to put a CD of 30 secs… as a start

stealth doesn’t mean immune to blindness/fear/anything really, it’s just an invisibility power that is being exploited against unskilled players.
a skilled enough necro can take down a thief 1v1 anytime, the sad part is just that most (not all) necro players don’t know the difference between fighting to win and fighting to get out alive.

Zenith.7301:

DeceiverX.8361:

Stealth itself isn’t OP.

A lot of the direct utility that comes with going into stealth is, and this is not limited to the thief class. PU mes arguably has better gains.

PU mesmer is garbage outside duels. A thief on the other hand can join a zerg and spam the ridiculously good clusterbomb+choking gas combo.

Also PU mesmers can’t kill anyone who wants to run away from them, people who die to PU mesmers are people who stay in and eat the heavy ramp up of conditions. They kill slowly and they really don’t contribute much to WvW objectives.

A thief takes out a target quick and moreover can escape from a zerg easily whereas PU mesmer’s stealth isn’t going to gain him distance against a remotely competent group of people and on top of that they’re very easy to stunlock while shadowstep is a double port with condition removal and stunbreak built all in one.

There’s a good reason why GvG’s still take a thief or two into their rosters while they don’t incorporate any PU mesmers.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Ragnarox.9601:

Akagami.9861:

This made me lol so hard, let me quess those 4 people were afk? You can’t just create a thief, put on a build go with lvl 5 equip and kill people in a rampage this is like something George R. R. Martin would write… A FANTASY

….
Every class has something OP about them, and a way to deal with thieves, you just have to know your class. Used to main a warrior, and i know how to wipe the floor with one(unless he is some crazy dude that has like 50k hours on that thief…maybe that would be kinda hard) And as a Thief i met Guardians that kept me on the run all the time, elementalists, engineers, necromancers, rangers…i got my @ss handed to me from every class individually 1 vs 1, do you know how? THEY KNEW HOW TO PLAY, they weren’t busy on the forums crying about invi being overpowerd. They learned how to counter a thief and how to defeat one.

Saddly you can be a pro thief in just 10 minutes. 50k hours? now who talks bout fantasy. And you cant win 1 vs 1 against a good skilled thief.

Sure you can.

Mediguards do it almost automatically.

Who runs mediguard in WvW? Oh that’s right, almost no one since guardians don’t have much in the way of escapes from getting zerged.

You missed the point.

Mediguards do it almost automatically, but it is still possible to fight and win against thieves in 1v1, without significant difficulty. You don’t need to run the most advantaged class against thief to have a fighting chance.

I was just giving an example.

My biggest problem with stealth is its cheapness

being able to use finishers in stealth is a huge problem as far as I am concerned

when a Thief ambushes you in WvW and downs you before you even realize he’s there it is absolutely absurd that he can stealth himself and then finish you completely negating every single one of your downed skills..

imo every action taken in stealth with exception to healing and buffs should break the stealth..
you should not be able to use finishers while in stealth

also adding to the thief argument..
teleport or shadowstep finishers.. how the hell hasn’t that been patched out yet..
talk about cheap..

Shadowstepping should break finishers

Talk about cheap Explain why nike warriors have not patch out stealth is fine

Stealth in this game is kinda of a joke,you cant brake stealth with damage or see it if even they are right next to you.

To have good kind of stealth in mmos you need to have good counters and this game have no counter at all…

Killface.1896:

Stealth in this game is kinda of a joke,you cant brake stealth with damage or see it if even they are right next to you.

To have good kind of stealth in mmos you need to have good counters and this game have no counter at all…

But they also take damage while in stealth. You know they will get in melee range. So either keep moving, or start throwing AoE/cleave attacks around. I’ve killed many a thief doing this. They unstealth downed. Which is a nice feeling.

Killface.1896:

Stealth in this game is kinda of a joke,you cant brake stealth with damage or see it if even they are right next to you.

To have good kind of stealth in mmos you need to have good counters and this game have no counter at all…

i play stealth mmo game and you are right. Only Guild Wars 2 stealth have no counter.
When i first start Guild Wars 2 wvw: not even 5 minute in EB, a thief killed me in instant. I had no chance for preparation. When i was in down state: i use downstate skill and was surprise that no downstate skill can attack stealth.

Another time our server had a thief hiding inside Sm: each time thief appear, it disappear. In almost 15 min after, we found thief and killed it. Stealth take all risk from thief and make it not challenge.

Ok, again, you are right.

DarkSyze.8627:

Killface.1896:

Stealth in this game is kinda of a joke,you cant brake stealth with damage or see it if even they are right next to you.

To have good kind of stealth in mmos you need to have good counters and this game have no counter at all…

Another time our server had a thief hiding inside Sm: each time thief appear, it disappear. In almost 15 min after, we found thief and killed it. Stealth take all risk from thief and make it not challenge.

Ok, again, you are right.

I’ve seen that all too often, when people think waving their attacks at thin air works, it’s either that or run around looking for a thief that appears every couple of seconds and his cloaks and daggers off walls and everything else.

I just bring my Thief with plenty of interrupts including scorpion wire if needed, it should catch them by surprise. Necro marks and wells also do alot of damage – AOE melts thieves.