Guild Wars 2

Myraiya.4052:

Rangelost.4857:

Gulesave.5073:

Rangelost.4857:

I do NOT want my asura and charr females to dress up according to human standards of a specific culture.

They. Already. Are.

Masculine =/= neutral. Masculine = masculine. Your asura and charr females are dressing according to human standards specifically set on males.

What I mean is that human female armor is designed to accommodate (and sometimes focus on) prominent breasts and wide hips, dresses especially. Putting a large and skimpy froo-froo dress on an asura or a charr — species who do not share these human physical traits — would make no sense whatsoever. And I’m not even mentioning the difference in cultural standards for these races…

i don’t think charr or asura should really have sexy armor. I actually love how non-sexualized they are. and i can’t imagine charrs in a dress. they would punch it to pieces lol. (i would if i was a charr). However, because asura look cute i can kinda imagine people wanting to dress them really cute as well. but perhaps they should look more into the ribbon direction than the bedroom direction.

I pointed out the same sexualization problem earlier, and that charr and asura would probably find those factors ridiculous. That’s why I suggested mixing elements from male and female humanoid sets when determining the charr and asura sets.

Keep in mind that most of the fashions in the game are clearly not designed by a charr or asura. Compare against their racial armor and you’ll see that most of they’re stuck wearing carries little to none of their own racial aesthetic. What some call “froo-froo-ness” should be no less odd to them than the human masculine idea of dressing to look as straight and rigid as a plank.

I ask only that people don’t assume the men’s clothes are gender neutral just because they are not sexualized, nor that it would be hard for the artists to appropriately mix design elements from both gendered versions of a set when redesigning it for charr and asura.

And of course, if we could start getting some sets that aren’t unnecessarily sexualized in the first place, maybe this whole process would be easier.

Kamui.4038:

Ashen.2907:

I’m not sure that transferring human gender stereotypes, that are often considered negative

Making things up to enforce your opinion are we?

Unisexing anything is lazy design, period.

I didnt make anything up at all.

Posters were applying human gender stereotypes, “dresses, girly, etc,” to non humans. You are entitled to your opinion, but thats all it is, an opinion. Period.

You can have those, as long as the males can choose them too. Seems fair.

Besides, historically speaking most of what is now considered women’s fashion was also male. Dresses, high heels, makeup, wigs, bright flashy colours, long and flowing and even with symbols like butterflies (which are considered rather regal).

Sparrow.8423:

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Now as for Asura and Charr… this is the reason I will never play either of those races! There is nothing wrong with wanting to be girly. Or boyish. The point is you should be able to be either! For both genders in fact. I thought we were past the point in society where we pigeonhole people into gender roles. And by the way, forcing a woman to be masculine isn’t equalizing her, it’s telling her that feminine isn’t good enough.

So many issues, so little time! And sorry if this sounds jittery, I’m on a caffeine high.

I agree with this – though I think within Tyrian lore it makes sense for Char especially not to have “female” options. Why? Because they don’t see the default as “male” to begin with, it’s simply the non-gender-specific default. I don’t think they make all that much distinction between genders (flame legion does but who cares about them, amirite). Or if they do, it sure doesn’t come through during gameplay.

This is what I like about the Char the most. They are hands down the LEAST sexualized anthropomorphic race I’ve ever played.

That said, I sure wouldn’t mind the ~option~ of breaking with lore a little in favour of some girly options But I guess I also understand why Anet may be hesitant to introduce gender-specific clothing into a race that generally doesn’t seem to define themselves by gender.

TL;DR version being I totally agree about forcing girls into male roles in real life, but I think the char just don’t give a kitten so it’s okay. :p Any thoughts on the Asura??

Addendum: Did anyone else think the “girly” set of the Fancy Wintersday outfit on the Char felt seriously awkward? I think it’s because their clothes are never gender-based, so when you apply one it feels… odd.

I did like the Noble’s outfit, mind you. Even on my girl char, that looks positively dapper. I wonder if it feels more natural on the species because it’s also non-gender-specific?

At this point, it’s pretty much an argument between people who want characters to look lore-friendly and people who don’t mind if their charr/asura look like they were dressed up by some fanatic human.

If I had the choice, armor would be unisex for all races. There’s honestly no reason why a piece of armor normally full-plate on a human male would transform into a bikini when worn by a human female. Both sexes should have the full and the skimpy versions available separately.

I don’t get this thread. You are complaining that your asura and chars don’t like ‘girly’ because they have the male set as default. So you ask to for the char and asura to have access for both armor (which would be unfair to the other tree races), instead of more ‘girly’ male armor?

Eeeeeeeh… not sure which armors are you using, but both my charr ranger and charr elementalist (males) have worn armor that looks distinctively skirt-like most of their lives, due to being… either a very closed coat or a robe-like thing.

Both my charr guardian and warrior (females) on the other hand are distinctively skirt-less and chest-undistinctive, since most heavy armors actually LOOK like heavy armor.

If you want to call it “fashion”, feel free to call charr and asura “unfashionable”. But for the love of Tyria, please, don’t count the fact that human and norn females for some reason decided to mostly shop for their armors in skimp shops as the epitome of gender equality, because it’s. not. Especially considering both charr and asura rely on completely different sexual characteristics than showing of your cleavage and wearing a skirt.

Also not sure what the weird “chest area shaping” comments are supposed to be, since at least charr are flat as a board. Not sure about asura, since I don’t play as one anymore and I don’t walk around staring at people’s chests all the time. A) it would be awkward, b) I’m a charr, chests are not really all that interesting to me and C) our primus said crouching this hard is bad for my back.

Reason for unisexing:

• lack of boobs

move on please~

Candy.6835:

Seriously stop it. I’m tired of having only male options. If you’re going to Unisex EVERYTHING for charr and asura then at least unisex the female version. I’m TIRED of only having the male options (for major example is the Carapace outfit, I LOVE the butterflies for shoulder armor BUT because I’m an asura I only get male stuff.

If Asura/charr don’t care what type of armor they’re wearing then Unisex the female version too (or Choose the female version instead of the male to move over). I’m tired of pants or pant/skirts. I want dresses and other lovely things.

If them being male/female DIDN’T matter their swimsuits/undergarments would not be covering what they do on the females so give us options.

I’m just getting really tired of this. You know how many actual dresses Asura have options to? Like 3 for armor skins.

3.

Out of HOW MANY armor skins? It’s seriously lacking.

Chill. It’s just gender. Not that big of a deal, really. If you think about it, when we’re in the womb a fetus doesn’t develop gender specific traits until in later stages of fetal development, so at one point we’re the same gender.

How’s that for mind blowing.

For me, honestly, it is not about unisexing our glorious master race of asuran genius.

I understand we lack gender dimorphism, and as a result there’s no real cultural explanation why our race would have developed different styles of clothing for men and women.
Sure, we may sometimes copy this style from other races, but that’s more to fit in.

What I mind is that it seems we always copy the style of males of other races. It stands to reason that given our genius, or the special bodily shapes of our furry friends, that we would use a special, neither-male-nor-female, version of each armor?

I personally love the uni-sexing of those races. Cutting corners gives designers more time to do something else.

Why design outfits for 10 characters (2 for each race) when you can design for 8 and save time for something else?

Unisex all or none!

I agree there should be some form of variations that make gender stand out. The other races shouldn’t get more looks, it should be unisex all or none.

Candy.6835:

Seriously stop it. I’m tired of having only male options. If you’re going to Unisex EVERYTHING for charr and asura then at least unisex the female version. I’m TIRED of only having the male options (for major example is the Carapace outfit, I LOVE the butterflies for shoulder armor BUT because I’m an asura I only get male stuff.

If Asura/charr don’t care what type of armor they’re wearing then Unisex the female version too (or Choose the female version instead of the male to move over). I’m tired of pants or pant/skirts. I want dresses and other lovely things.

If them being male/female DIDN’T matter their swimsuits/undergarments would not be covering what they do on the females so give us options.

I’m just getting really tired of this. You know how many actual dresses Asura have options to? Like 3 for armor skins.

3.

Out of HOW MANY armor skins? It’s seriously lacking.

Charr are militaristic felines with but war on their minds. Asura are subterranian nerds with over the top egoism and childishly egocentristic, and more than sometimes have mean attitude towards other races. They are not cute. Not supposed to be cute. Even if, to an extent. Is Oola or Gadd cute? Or, perhaps, Pyre Fierceshot? Or, if we take most recent characters, Rytlock? Or any female charr NPC found in the game, are they anywhere cute, in general, most common meaning? Also, gender dimorphism is almost non-existant for at least charr according to lore. And as it seems, cultural traditions of asura doesn’t imply they have very different clothes for different genders. The different underwear these races use is different, most likely, for one simple reason: to avoid controversy. We have several standards and we base everything on human culture, simply because there is nothing else we seen. In terms of creating the fictional cultures, we can’t create something entirely new, but we can combine all we’ve experienced throughout history. Some things are strictly taboo, and staying within norms set by human culture is the best way to bring franchise to broader audiences.

So, no. It’s too late to change it, and it’s common sense. It’s just your taste that is factor here. They will never change it, my bet.

Acrisor.8097:

I personally love the uni-sexing of those races. Cutting corners gives designers more time to do something else.

Why design outfits for 10 characters (2 for each race) when you can design for 8 and save time for something else?

if only the quality would be then equal along the stuff… but thats not the topic here..carry on

It has been no secret that ArenaNet favors the human model the most when making new armor. Sylvari and Norn get similar love because no adjustments need to be made, the models are pretty much the same.

Charr and Asuran though? That requires effort.
Effort that has been deemed not worth it because more players use human characters above any other race in the game.
Is it fair? No.

I wish the Devs change their stance on this and I hope to see the non-humanoid races get more love. But I’m also not going to hold my breath.

Candy.6835:

Seriously stop it. I’m tired of having only male options. If you’re going to Unisex EVERYTHING for charr and asura then at least unisex the female version. I’m TIRED of only having the male options (for major example is the Carapace outfit, I LOVE the butterflies for shoulder armor BUT because I’m an asura I only get male stuff.

If Asura/charr don’t care what type of armor they’re wearing then Unisex the female version too (or Choose the female version instead of the male to move over). I’m tired of pants or pant/skirts. I want dresses and other lovely things.

If them being male/female DIDN’T matter their swimsuits/undergarments would not be covering what they do on the females so give us options.

I’m just getting really tired of this. You know how many actual dresses Asura have options to? Like 3 for armor skins.

3.

Out of HOW MANY armor skins? It’s seriously lacking.

Initially I thought you might have a fair point but then you went and said :

or Choose the female version instead of the male to move over

Good equality right there.

My wife and I are making the best of the situation.

Sparrow.8423:

Assuming that feminine = T&A is grossly offensive to me.

A flower is pretty to me and yet it’s not showing off it’s boobs. Think about that for a second. I also play the harp and my music is decidedly soft, a little bit sad but overall feminine in sound. My music has no boobs.

Seriously! What’s wrong with you people! This is why women are still paid less for the same jobs!

Are you associating flowers and soft music to females? Now, that’s offensive. I don’t live in the US, though, so I’m not very aware of your cultural issues.

And they don’t matter here.

We’re talking about clothes. Clothes that are designed to cover a body. A body that differs in shape depending on sex for some species only.

Let’s change some terms here, and you’ll understand why things are the way they are. Let’s change characters for cubic robots, races for size, and sex for color. Say we have the following sizes:

• Small robots
• Medium robots
• Large robots

And the following colors:

• Red robots
• Blue robots

And the following exceptions:

• Medium red robots are spherical
• Large red robots are spherical

When we design an armor for these robots, we are going to have to make something different for the medium red and large red robots because they have a different shape. We are not going to give this different, spherical version to the small red robots because they share the same shape as the blue ones.

It’s not offensive, it’s not lazy, it’s not unfair, it’s common sense.

Wouldn’t asura find it more practical and economical for a one size fits all armor, and have it actually not have little holes for pointy objects to poke through?

And wouldn’t Charr also care about practical armor?

Also in terms of “cutsey” and MMO generic sexualized armor (where less armor means more stats XD) wouldn’t humans be the only real race who care about fassion other than sylvari who obviously jumped on the bandwagon?

I understand the want to have certain designs but I could totally see the counscil having this talk a long time ago.

Tho I personally don’t find either race physically attractive so I may have a bias perspective.

I have to agree with this one. My husband and I, utterly disappointed at Halloween when we both bought the ling spooky dress… (which was AWESOME btw) and when we put it on our Asuras… what the heck….? I mean, really…

When I previewed the Carapace armor on my Asura, I rolled my eyes…

let’s get one thing straight, the shape of breasts has nothing to do with the same area shape on the armor.
if it did matter then we could also not change the shape on existing female breasts (let’s take the human as basis), you would see ether the breast clip trough the armor or you would see space between the breast and the armor.

so let’s not delude our selves around that, it adjusts it self on the shape the body already is even if it’s flat.
however, i do have to say that some armors are meant to have breasts in it, you can already see it when you wear a specific robe (forgot the name) with a bikini top while being a flat chested sylvari.

i see both sides of the story, yes it’s unfair to make asura/charr armors unisex (male) but i can also see why they did this in the long run.
there should be a middle ground, have all female armors for all females regardless of race but within reason.

Sparrow.8423:

Astral Projections.7320:

Rangelost.4857:

Gulesave.5073:

Rangelost.4857:

I do NOT want my asura and charr females to dress up according to human standards of a specific culture.

They. Already. Are.

Masculine =/= neutral. Masculine = masculine. Your asura and charr females are dressing according to human standards specifically set on males.

What I mean is that human female armor is designed to accommodate (and sometimes focus on) prominent breasts and wide hips, dresses especially. Putting a large and skimpy froo-froo dress on an asura or a charr — species who do not share these human physical traits — would make no sense whatsoever. And I’m not even mentioning the difference in cultural standards for these races…

^

And that is exactly the point. Human female clothing is made to accentuate human female sexual secondary characteristics. Asura value large ears and broad foreheads as well as the sexy ability to design experiment. Charr probably think fluffy tails, the different teeth between males and females and a sleeker physical build is sexy, as well as the ability to fight.

If you want sexy clothing for your Asura, get something that flatters her ears and for perfume, spritz her with some used engine oil.

Assuming that feminine = T&A is grossly offensive to me.

A flower is pretty to me and yet it’s not showing off it’s boobs. Think about that for a second. I also play the harp and my music is decidedly soft, a little bit sad but overall feminine in sound. My music has no boobs.

Seriously! What’s wrong with you people! This is why women are still paid less for the same jobs!

Are you saying flowers are feminine because they are pretty? Actually flowers are the sexual organs of the plant and are both male and female (pistols and stamens you know).

Harp is feminine? Because it’s soft? I’m afraid that is completely subjective and human based. Would a sentient non human species, if females were warlike and males the caregivers, think harps or soft sound as female?

Ugly women can’t be feminine? Women who are brash and loud can’t be feminine? Not according to your definition of feminine on your post.

Equating pretty and soft music with feminine is just as offensive (since it restricts and limits females to those categories) as saying T&A is feminine.

Female Asura and Charr are feminine but not by human standards and certainly without being pretty or soft.

Astral Projections.7320:

Would a sentient non human species, if females were warlike and males the caregivers, think harps or soft sound as female?

[…]

Female Asura and Charr are feminine but not by human standards and certainly without being pretty or soft.

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

Rangelost.4857:

Astral Projections.7320:

Would a sentient non human species, if females were warlike and males the caregivers, think harps or soft sound as female?

[…]

Female Asura and Charr are feminine but not by human standards and certainly without being pretty or soft.

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

Astral Projections.7320:

Rangelost.4857:

Astral Projections.7320:

Would a sentient non human species, if females were warlike and males the caregivers, think harps or soft sound as female?

[…]

Female Asura and Charr are feminine but not by human standards and certainly without being pretty or soft.

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

Rangelost.4857:

Astral Projections.7320:

Would a sentient non human species, if females were warlike and males the caregivers, think harps or soft sound as female?

[…]

Female Asura and Charr are feminine but not by human standards and certainly without being pretty or soft.

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yeah, afaik there are no human cultures where the women are hunters and the males caregivers. It goes against basic human biology to think that traditional women in hunter/gatherer societies, who are either typically pregnant or breast feeding (which they do for around 5 years if they can) would be hunting.

If a woman of that culture dies, the chances of her children living to maturity goes down substantially. No mother of any common sense would risk that.

But I thought I would give him a chance to back up what he is saying.

To all the people focusing on breasts when it comes to female clothing, I have to ask: have you never seen a little girl in a dress before? Or in ANY clothing before? They can choose to wear feminine clothing without having breasts, so why can’t Asura or Charr?

videoboy.4162:

To all the people focusing on breasts when it comes to female clothing, I have to ask: have you never seen a little girl in a dress before? Or in ANY clothing before? They can choose to wear feminine clothing without having breasts, so why can’t Asura or Charr?

Yeah I don’t get where that breast argument is coming from either. This is about clothing, no one said anything about wanting breasts.

Well except Smooth Penguin maybe but I’m sure he was joking, otherwise I’m getting concerned ^^

I’m curious what kind of feminine styles are being asked for here.
Dresses?
I can see it on an Asura.

On a Charr, no. Charr need nothing that floofs or dangles ventral to them while they run. And there are so, so many armor designs that get this flat-out wrong, because they were designed for human bodies, then terribly stretched to a wide-legged stance. Charr need more pants, not less.
Conversely, the Ancestral outfit was pretty insulting for female Charr. The males get a spiffy-cool ornament on their tails, but the females don’t. Some people were ticked about that one.

Hate to bring logic into it, but they unisex them for male, because the female versions have a strong focus and reliance on breasts. They are designed largely around this feature. Not to say those without breasts can’t dress feminine, but the models that Anet has been creating are made for adult females with large mammary glands. No prominent breasts means they get the male version. Sorry as I don’t like it either

videoboy.4162:

To all the people focusing on breasts when it comes to female clothing, I have to ask: have you never seen a little girl in a dress before? Or in ANY clothing before? They can choose to wear feminine clothing without having breasts, so why can’t Asura or Charr?

(Speculating here) The human female desire to dress in such a way as to attract male attention is so widespread as to make me wonder if it’s not an instinct. Even in cultures that impose coverings, women often wear sexy clothing, painted nails, under it. Males try to attract female attention but it’s typically not through wearing clothing, it’s through behavior.

If it is an instinct, then even little girls will be attracted to typically feminine clothing.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yikes. Way to dismiss minorities…

There are certain tribes that still lead this kind of lifestyle, notably the Aka people.

Rangelost.4857:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yikes. Way to dismiss minorities…

There are certain tribes that still lead this kind of lifestyle

I said ‘as far as I know’. So I included the possibility I could be wrong.

Rangelost.4857:

notably the Aka people.

The Also Known As people? :P
Sorry, that one was too easy.

Kitten Commander.8952:

Addendum: Did anyone else think the “girly” set of the Fancy Wintersday outfit on the Char felt seriously awkward? I think it’s because their clothes are never gender-based, so when you apply one it feels… odd.

I did like the Noble’s outfit, mind you. Even on my girl char, that looks positively dapper. I wonder if it feels more natural on the species because it’s also non-gender-specific?

I think they can differentiate the genders without Charr female adventurers having to look girly. Have some girly things for those that want, but have some that are not cause I don’t want a girly adventurer.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Rangelost.4857:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yikes. Way to dismiss minorities…

There are certain tribes that still lead this kind of lifestyle

I said ‘as far as I know’. So I included the possibility I could be wrong.

Rangelost.4857:

notably the Aka people.

The Also Known As people? :P
Sorry, that one was too easy.

To be fair, if I’m not mistaken, the Aka people live right next to the Baka people.

Back on topic: how about this? “Male armor” is actually unisex armor, and “female armor” is actually boob-fit armor.

Rangelost.4857:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yikes. Way to dismiss minorities…

There are certain tribes that still lead this kind of lifestyle, notably the Aka people.

K. Looked up the Aka. While it does say that the males are more involved with their children than is common, they are still not primary caregivers.

The women hunting is recent, within the last century, as net hunting became wide spread in response to economic pressure, so they are not still leading this lifestyle. It’s a recent change. The women were allowed/encouraged to also hunt because it became easier, not that they are the primary hunters of the tribes. Net and trap hunting, in traditional cultures is usually the way women hunt as it’s less risky. Eskimo women were known to use trap hunting. But they were still locked into traditional female roles.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aka_people

In other words, the women of that tribe, “got a second job” on top of their other duties in response to economic pressures and changes to hunting practices to something less dangerous.

When they will stop, I will finally be able to play female Charr and Asura. Till then, hello humans.

Rangelost.4857:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Astral Projections.7320:

I would be interested in reading about these cultures. Please give the names where the hunters are females and the males are caregivers.

afaik there have been no such cultures except in fairy tales and anime.

Yikes. Way to dismiss minorities…

There are certain tribes that still lead this kind of lifestyle, notably the Aka people.

There are gender roles/sexual division of labor among the Aka. Females are the primary caregivers for example (according to Professor Barry Hewlett). The difference is that the implementation of these roles is more flexible. Men can, for example, slip into the role of caregiver without any stigma. In fact Aka fathers have been known to allow their infant children to, “breast feed,” at their own nipple rather than use an artificial pacifier, when the mother is temporarily unavailable.

To be honest I am unaware of any culture where both genders can/do fulfill either role equally as the male inability to fulfill the most basic function of being a caregiver for an infant (breastfeed) seems unlikely to allow for long term survival of the culture.

Rangelost.4857:

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role.

Unisexing should NOT automatically assume male. Like a poster above stated. Assuming such belittles the femininity part of our fashion. Males can wear dresses and skirts just as much as females, it’s our society’s rules that keep that from being so openly practiced here in the US.

And I said from time to time moving over the female version of the outfit because they almost ALWAYS seem to default on the male. We have plenty of masculine looking options for now. We need more feminine. If the asura do not care what they wear then why is it such a big deal?

And the boob argument. Little girls wear dresses. So can Asura. It’s not going to hurt anybody by giving a few options for frilly skirts (since we have an overabundance of masculine options anyway). The cabalist set would have looked amazing on Asura if they were given the female human look to it instead of the tribal crap that was given to us. They could have given us the butterflys (I outright raged when I saw that I couldn’t have the butterfly shoulders on my asura mesmer). There is more to femininity then accenting breasts and hips.

Candy.6835:

There is more to femininity then accenting breasts and hips.

The issue that some seem to have here is the attempt to define feminine or masculine based on whether or not the clothing is frilly/girly/whatever. Based on clothing at all really.

Why does it feel like I’m talking to a bunch of Flame Legion up in here? Just because things aren’t binary doesn’t mean they aren’t different.

And this has nothing to do with my original point, anyway. You keep generalizing and stereotyping human gender roles to a universal level all you want, see if I care.

Back on topic.

Sparrow.8423:

Honestly… all I got from that was put the square peg in the square hole and the circle peg in the circle hole. Do you really think the vast majority of people would enjoy if their clothing were nothing but a utilitarian shield against the environment?

[Stuff about self-expression and pretty clothing design]

Clearly, then, you didn’t get the point I am trying to get across. According to you, I’m suggesting all armor should be purely utilitarian, in which case there would only be one set of armor for each weight category. That’s not it.

Following my example, you can have cubic armors and spherical armors with pretty patterns all you want. The point is that a cubic robot can’t wear a spherical armor and vice-versa because they’re not the same shape, and the small red robot (in Guild Wars 2, the asura/charr female) is going to wear the same armor as the blue robot (in Guild Wars 2, the male characters) because they share an essential property that is the shape.

Not the color.

Rangelost.4857:

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

First, you can keep the word “religious” out since it has nothing to do with that stereotype. Perhaps that’s a translation issue?

And I disagree that the idea of a powerful male and a “princess-like” female is solely Euro-American.

But luckily in modern times we have enough powerful women and “pretty” men that we don’t have to worry about being chained to these stereotypes.

I think the point is that we should have choices in what each sex wears. Whether I want my female Charr to look fierce or pretty, I should have that choice.

The same goes for Human female armor – not to derail the thread but I would like the choice to look fierce rather than sexy there also.

Djinn.9245:

Perhaps that’s a translation issue?

100% possible. Self-taught English over here.

Djinn.9245:

The same goes for Human female armor – not to derail the thread but I would like the choice to look fierce rather than sexy there also.

I tried making a human female in Light Armor multiple times, but I just couldn’t. Why does everything have to be a poofy dress?

Rangelost.4857:

Djinn.9245:

Perhaps that’s a translation issue?

100% possible. Self-taught English over here.

Well you mostly type English very well so nice job

Djinn.9245:

The same goes for Human female armor – not to derail the thread but I would like the choice to look fierce rather than sexy there also.

I tried making a human female in Light Armor multiple times, but I just couldn’t. Why does everything have to be a poofy dress?

Yea

Djinn.9245:

Rangelost.4857:

* Traditional Euro-American standards

There are human cultures in the world where females are hunters are males are caregivers, and others where both can fulfill either role. The whole “boys are superheroes and girls are princesses” religious stereotype is not universal in any way.

First, you can keep the word “religious” out since it has nothing to do with that stereotype. Perhaps that’s a translation issue?

And I disagree that the idea of a powerful male and a “princess-like” female is solely Euro-American.

But luckily in modern times we have enough powerful women and “pretty” men that we don’t have to worry about being chained to these stereotypes.

I think the point is that we should have choices in what each sex wears. Whether I want my female Charr to look fierce or pretty, I should have that choice.

The same goes for Human female armor – not to derail the thread but I would like the choice to look fierce rather than sexy there also.

I doubt anyone is against the choice of pretty or fierce for their female Charr. What people are objecting to is using human standards (female dresses) to achieve prettiness.

The problem seems to be that there are few choices to make the Charr (and Asura) pretty besides dyes. If they had female specific but lore appropriate armor/outfits that looked good on the females, then I don’t think so many people would be asking to have dresses.

Unfortunately this is not something that will ever be available and my guess is at some time Charrs and Asura will both be allowed to wear human dresses to achieve what humans consider “pretty”

Guild Wars 1 female Asuras, wearing cultural clothing

This thread isn’t about just about male and female armor sets for all races. It’s about being anatomically correct.

I think the issue got a bit deeper than the male/female armors and charr/asura only getting the male version. It seems to me that many armor set were basically designed for one human gender or another and the alternative version is often bland or at the very least not very well thought out.

Sadly it would probably be too much to ask for some more racial touches to the armors released (at the very least stop with the cutout toe boots and tail clipping.) Or perhaps place a warring on non-human races mentioning the potential issues with armor skins (kind of like the one associated with cooking).

Smooth Penguin.5294:

This thread isn’t about just about male and female armor sets for all races. It’s about being anatomically correct.

Why would the charr have that many mammaries (that and they would probably be on the lower abdominal area (and covered with fur))? So far they haven’t been show to have litters, they seem to be solidly in the one-two offspring a pregnancy.

The thing I don’t get about the cut-out toes on asura boots is that all they’d have to do is apply the same texture change to the side toes as they use for the front toe. How difficult could it really be?