Guild Wars 2

Yup, I have a problem. I’m stuck at 97% map completion, and there’s pretty much nothing I can do about it. It’s the sad tale of a guy who loves to explore, but can’t actually finish it.

But Theik.9340, you must be missing something!
Why yes, I’m missing 29 points of interest, 17 vistas and 1 skillpoint.

See? You’re not stuck! Hooray! Just find out where they are!
I know where they are, I can tell you exactly.
I am missing 7 points of interest and 6 vistas in one WvW borderlands, 6 points of interest and 5 vistas in another borderlands, and 16 points of interest, 1 skill point and 6 vistas in the eternal battlegrounds.

So you even know where to look. Go get them and be done!
I wish I could, but hey. Apparently the game has decided that because I am on a server with a low population count that has been getting butchered in world vs world since before I even joined the server, I am not worthy of a 100% exploration.

It’s not that I do not know where the points of interest or the vistas are, heck I can walk right up to the gate. It’s just that I can’t get to them because my server never actually controls the buildings they are inside.

For instance, there are 4 points of interest, a vista and a skillpoint inside stonemist castle. I’ve never once seen us own stonemist castle, and considering I have had the outnumbered buff and been spawncamped at my own base several times when I went there, I can fairly safely say that my server is never going to own it either.

The Been There, Done That achievement states “Seeking Zhaitan’s corruption in every corner of Tyria”, and quite frankly, I have. The World vs World area is clearly not listed on the Tyria world map and there’s nothing there that suggests Zhaitan even know it exists.

So why is it that I am being punished for being on a low-population server for this achievement? I’m perfectly fine with the fact that we will never control the entire map, I’m okay with the fact that I’ll never max out the “King of the Castle” achievement, but I do want to finish my exploration achievement.

So what exactly is it arenanet expects me to do?

Map transfer to a server that owns everything, then wait a week before I can actually play with my friends again?

Be one of the kittens who ruins the game by hacking, so I can actually get over the walls to get the points of interest?

Perhaps convince that Charr who fires cows all day to lend me his cannon so I can shoot over the walls?

This is a legitimate concern, and I empathize with you. The only answer right now would be a week long server transfer unfortunately, and future guesting will be specifically off-limits to W3. Maybe when server tiers balance out more you will have a better chance at it. /shrugs.

Aside from actually getting an opposing server to basically let you take Stonemist for awhile to finish this, it seems like something ANet needs to address. I’d invite you to my server so I could help, but we got Sea of Sorrows this week and we might not see the inside of Stonemist for a bit. :P

Yeah, I already looked into the future guesting method, I won’t be able to get into W3 with it, so that isn’t an option. And considering my server was ranked really high before everybody migrated off it, it seems like it will be another year or so before our ranking has finally dropped low enough for us to actually beat other people in their own borderlands.

It is odd that wvw maps in the mists are required for map completion. I’m afraid the time has passed by for easy pop-over to do maps and pop back home the next day.

Seems like if you’re hell-bent on 100% and on a bad wvw server, you gotta transfer out.

With the ranking system, even horribly pathetic servers eventually are facing competition they can handle.

Looking at the history, it doesn’t look like there’s servers that have never won a matchup, but not knowing the OP’s servers, it’s hard to tell. http://mos.millenium.org/matchups

Well when guesting is implemented, what about transferring to a server that is facerolling Wv3, and guesting back to your normal server to play with your friends in normal content until you can transfer back to your normal server? It’s a lot of hassle, not an option right now but, at least you’ll get what you need and should still be able to play with your friends.

I would recommend transfering to a server that owns most of the map most of the time and just wait till you can transfer back. It might be distasteful for you, but imo,take the bitter pill now now while it’s free rather than next time when there will be costs associated to it.

There’s a few things you can do really.

The obvious one is change servers, others have suggested that, so moving on.

If you’re having problems getting these, I bet other people need them too. Gather up like minded people looking to finish off these exploration points and then go take the points. You might not rally a massive group of people where you can get everything in one go, but I’m sure you could make progress. Start with the towers first.

Lastly, you can simply wait. Unless you’re already in the bottom 3 servers, you have room to lose and move down. Presumably if your server loses a few more matchups you’ll enter more favorable matchups where you can more easily take points on the map then you can clear your map completion that way.

Each week your server will start at a different location owning (initially) different keeps etc.

Try each week and you should find yourself with access to at least some of the points you need.

Good luck

Check gw2 cartographer for a good map to what you are missing.

In NA, I couldn’t see any world that’s lost every single week. Is there one?

Come check out Henge of Denravi mulch, we’ve been getting butchered every week for the past 4+ weeks.

Theik.9340:

Come check out Henge of Denravi mulch, we’ve been getting butchered every week for the past 4+ weeks.

HoD was #1 on the continent for a good bit of time. It’s only the last 3 match-ups that HoD didn’t compete. Looks like this week’s the same.

Hindsight is 20/20, but ya should’ve gone when they were winning. It’s a long fall when you’re coming down from the tippy-top.

Hopefully guesting will finally be ready to launch soon, and you can go elsewhere to finish it without disrupting your regular pve play.

Actually, we (HoD) did own Stonemist this past weekend for a little bit. I was there, saw it happen Of course we then got a huge queue to be in EB after that, but we had it nonetheless.

As for the others, if you don’t want to help us take control (and there are people playing and working on gaining control), you can wait till we change colours, and hope we get to a colour you don’t have.

I need the poi/vista on EB for Red Team as well as one of the forts in Reds Home BL. I plan on rushing for those as soon as we get to red.

Finally, unless you reallllly need that legendary right away, just be patient. And if you did need that legendary, then you can pay gems to transfer back once you finish mapping. The 7 day limit is for FREE transfers.

Stop being afraid and do it. Eat the deaths if you need to.

Everyone’s okay with repeated dungeon deaths, or repeated jumping puzzle deaths, but dying even once in PvP is somehow magically worse than all of that?

Hop to it, man. Or grab all those friends you’re so loath to leave and knock the map stuff out together. You can fix this yourself, you’re just afraid to.

I’m in no real rush to get the exploration token, I haven’t even started on the legendary, I just want the cute star and the title. As for helping, I actually PvP every now and then, more than I’d like even because of the monthly. But I’m not american and when I am on, hardly anybody seems to be on.

In fact, I can’t even depend on being on the team color to explore everything because I am not awake when the servers reset (it’s like 3 am for me), and by the time I wake up the next morning we’ve usually already lost our homelands.

Well, it looks like the final option is to use your free transfer to go to a team with full control, then use gems to jump back before the 7 day travel ban is up, or wait the 7 days

Or wait until we get our guilds together after the massive fall out of the two that were carrying us through (personally banking on the guilds owning everything getting tired of NOT actually having any good fights and transferring to the weaker ones. Not likely but crosses fingers).

At least we don’t have to win gvg/paid tournaments for monthly….

……yet.

Theik.9340:

Yup, I have a problem. I’m stuck at 97% map completion, and there’s pretty much nothing I can do about it. It’s the sad tale of a guy who loves to explore, but can’t actually finish it.

But Theik.9340, you must be missing something!
Why yes, I’m missing 29 points of interest, 17 vistas and 1 skillpoint.

See? You’re not stuck! Hooray! Just find out where they are!
I know where they are, I can tell you exactly.
I am missing 7 points of interest and 6 vistas in one WvW borderlands, 6 points of interest and 5 vistas in another borderlands, and 16 points of interest, 1 skill point and 6 vistas in the eternal battlegrounds.

So you even know where to look. Go get them and be done!
I wish I could, but hey. Apparently the game has decided that because I am on a server with a low population count that has been getting butchered in world vs world since before I even joined the server, I am not worthy of a 100% exploration.

It’s not that I do not know where the points of interest or the vistas are, heck I can walk right up to the gate. It’s just that I can’t get to them because my server never actually controls the buildings they are inside.

For instance, there are 4 points of interest, a vista and a skillpoint inside stonemist castle. I’ve never once seen us own stonemist castle, and considering I have had the outnumbered buff and been spawncamped at my own base several times when I went there, I can fairly safely say that my server is never going to own it either.

The Been There, Done That achievement states “Seeking Zhaitan’s corruption in every corner of Tyria”, and quite frankly, I have. The World vs World area is clearly not listed on the Tyria world map and there’s nothing there that suggests Zhaitan even know it exists.

So why is it that I am being punished for being on a low-population server for this achievement? I’m perfectly fine with the fact that we will never control the entire map, I’m okay with the fact that I’ll never max out the “King of the Castle” achievement, but I do want to finish my exploration achievement.

So what exactly is it arenanet expects me to do?

Map transfer to a server that owns everything, then wait a week before I can actually play with my friends again?

Be one of the kittens who ruins the game by hacking, so I can actually get over the walls to get the points of interest?

Perhaps convince that Charr who fires cows all day to lend me his cannon so I can shoot over the walls?

This is why I don’t understand when people say Map Completion is one of the easier parts of the Legendary process. I’d say Farming Karma is completely easier. You can repeat the same run, do monthly, etc. What can you do if you can’t get to a WvW point? You server transfer. Which is the solution here apparently.

I actually find Map Completion with the dead newbie/lowbie zones, and the WvW piece to be one of the more challenging aspects of the Legendary process.

Corian.4068:

Stop being afraid and do it. Eat the deaths if you need to.

Everyone’s okay with repeated dungeon deaths, or repeated jumping puzzle deaths, but dying even once in PvP is somehow magically worse than all of that?

Hop to it, man. Or grab all those friends you’re so loath to leave and knock the map stuff out together. You can fix this yourself, you’re just afraid to.

This is a fair statement with a qualifier of you would need to be in a guild that will support you and has an active base. If you are not then finding such guild would be advisable. I think the problem with this game is that many people are so busy doing things for themselves because of all of the grind treadmills; they forget that their teammates or guild mates may need help with something like this. I’d say this is my overall biggest turnoff to GW2.

I’m in a guild with 4 friends, and while we’re all skilled players with level 80 characters, that doesn’t really mean much when you want to take a castle with 100+ people defending it.

Theik.9340:

I’m in a guild with 4 friends, and while we’re all skilled players with level 80 characters, that doesn’t really mean much when you want to take a castle with 100+ people defending it.

That’s the thing that’s not really how the game was designed (or most MMO) You can play with 4 of your friends but you will be at a disadvantage…That may be the root of your problem here. It can be done but will require making more exceptions to your play style due to not having the resources of a bigger guild.

Dungin.2983:

Theik.9340:

I’m in a guild with 4 friends, and while we’re all skilled players with level 80 characters, that doesn’t really mean much when you want to take a castle with 100+ people defending it.

That’s the thing that’s not really how the game was designed (or most MMO) You can play with 4 of your friends but you will be at a disadvantage…That may be the root of your problem here. It can be done but will require making more exceptions to your play style due to not having the resources of a bigger guild.

As far as I can tell, this is an exploration achievement. I was able to do everything else with the help of just my friends, now you’re telling me the final 3% of my achievement expects me to convince my entire server to come help me in World vs World.

“Don’t worry guys, I know you’ve been getting butchered in there all the time, but if you could just help me cap these points so I can finish my achievement, we can then run for our lives so we don’t have to pay repair costs.”

Really?

I’ve raided plenty in MMOs before, hell I’ve raided with some of the best guilds in WoW, but this has nothing to do with your ability to explore or your ability to raid. In fact, it doesn’t have anything to do with your ability at all, it’s based entirely on the ability of your server as a whole. And if your server has been left pretty much dead after a massive exodus, there’s really not much you can do.

I feel your pain, I’ve been stuck at 99% now for 2mths, just 2 vista and 2 PoI’s, i just need our server to be Red, every week i cross my fingers.. and so far hasnt worked

Tbh I dont want to swap servers else i would have done this ages ago when it was a 5min trip there and back, because I don’t want a Title just because I server hopped , or maybe they can just changed title to “Traveled there, Done that.”

Corian.4068:

Stop being afraid and do it. Eat the deaths if you need to.

Everyone’s okay with repeated dungeon deaths, or repeated jumping puzzle deaths, but dying even once in PvP is somehow magically worse than all of that?

Hop to it, man. Or grab all those friends you’re so loath to leave and knock the map stuff out together. You can fix this yourself, you’re just afraid to.

You have got to love it when someone is so bent on pushing an agenda that they don’t even bother reading what the OP was talking about.

His point is that it is unbalanced and unfair to make map completion dependent on whether or not a server owns points on a PvP map when, as is obviously the case, there is generally one server that dominates the map and does so very quickly, when other servers seem to always be dominated, when queues can keep you out of a specific zone even when you do own it, and when the achievement has nothing to do with PvP but, rather, simply happens to be on a PvP map. That is a valid point and has nothing to do with this nonsense about being “afraid.”

Exactly, pray tell, how does one “hop to it” and “knock the map stuff out together” when your server doesn’t own the keep in which the “stuff” resides? How does one do that when your server never seems to own the keep in which the “stuff” resides? What are you expecting him to do? Stroll bravely up to Stonemist, knock on the front door, and politely ask — strike that — bravely demand that they allow him to access the map completion points? Yeah, that will work. And no one should have to change servers, especially now that there is a 7-day waiting period before you can go back to your home server, just to get map completion.

The bottom line is you can “eat death” from now until the day the servers are taken down, and you won’t get map completion if your server never owns the completion points. That was the OP’s point.

I can understand being annoyed that you can’t get a vista or POI because you don’t own the objective. So I feel like if they removed vistas and POIs from controllable objectives like towers, keeps, and SM…then I think that would resolve the only reasonable complaint.

That said, I think that vistas and POIs should remain in WvW. It adds some actual challenge to getting world completion, and forces some people that may have otherwised never experienced WvW into giving it a try.

And in the end, it’s really not like it’s going to takea long time to get all the open world vistas and POI’s in the WvW zones…even if you get killed a lot doing it.

It’s simple: Server transfer, it’s free and if your server has a low population and get pwned in WvW, I see no reason to stay? If you have friends on your current server, convince them to come with you

Wasnt the 7 day transfer done to stop people moving servers because of WvW abuse?

And why would I want to leave all my friends for a week, when I once changed server because of HoM at the beginning and it took me 2 days to get back to the server I came from because it was full.

If you read some of the threads there are people still unable to join their friends because the server is full, this is a risk if you leave at this point.. that you wont get back, all for a tiny star next to your name that you wont be able to show your friends because they are on a different server.

Riselight.3695:

It’s simple: Server transfer, it’s free and if your server has a low population and get pwned in WvW, I see no reason to stay? If you have friends on your current server, convince them to come with you

This game does not resolve around WvW. It’s a tacked on feature that I am generally fine with pretending it doesn’t exist, other than for my monthly. I know a lot of people on this server and I can do everything I want that doesn’t involve WvW just fine, except this exploration achievement which basically goes “either you’re on a winning server, or you transfer to one, else you’re not finishing me”.

To the OP:

I’m in the same boat, dude. 98% completion, with just a handful of VPs and PoIs on just two of the W3 maps. Just a handful, but they might as well be on Mars for all the chance me or my server has at taking them. It’s just not going to happen anytime in the near future.

Only thing to do? It’s been said: Transfer. At least for the 7 days. I love my home server, I love my Guild, and that’s where my buddies are at. So I’d never abandon it unless everyone mass-migrated out. So it’s kind of clunky that ArenaNet is offering few viable solutions as potent as the server switch to get it done. So it goes.

It’s been said before, and I’ll say it again: PvE needs to be removed from PvP. Period. I have little use for W3. I shouldn’t be made to go there to map complete. If they wanted to add a separate PvP map complete? Great. Just don’t tack it on to my PvE exploration. That’s just my kitteny opinion, but I think it’s not too far off base today.

Corian.4068:

Stop being afraid and do it. Eat the deaths if you need to.

Everyone’s okay with repeated dungeon deaths, or repeated jumping puzzle deaths, but dying even once in PvP is somehow magically worse than all of that?

Hop to it, man. Or grab all those friends you’re so loath to leave and knock the map stuff out together. You can fix this yourself, you’re just afraid to.

Dying to jumping puzzles usually doesn’t damage your armor, alas it is not nearly as expensive – and dungeons are not required for world completion.

Also, one of the nice things about world completion up to 97% was that you could just do it on your own pace…now, you’ll have to spend days watching the battlegrounds to look for an opportunity to complete your POIs etc. . Not fun. Not enough time to spare.

Similar situation (well, 95%), and I have yet to map out all of WvW. It’s not fun, not fun at all. Why couldn’t Anet have removed PvP based exploration and instead added the (vanilla) dungeons to the mix?