Guild Wars 2

I play as a DD else because the play style fits me really well. but as the game is now if u join a team for dungeons they want only zerker.
Here is the thing today every one should run a specific build so you don’t get kicked or bullied when joining a team. its only the meta that is accepted. right now that say that a-net should remove serene stuff from the game cause you are just not accepted as a player if u run the “wrong” set.
i think a net need to fix this, cause the game was not build to stacking in a corner to kill a boss in 5 sec.
Kicking and yelling at ppl just because they don’t use the right weapon or sigils as i was bullied for. (just to try experimenting) This shouldn’t be okej.

I really like to play my DD byt today i risk getting a kik just for showing my character in a team.

I just wonder would it help if we removed stats from weapons and only use them on armor so we can play with something else than the meta staff, or if its wand focus now? Cause as the game is today i been called loots of evil words just for playing daggers and then kicked without getting a chance to show ppl that i can play. and often better than many ppl that complains some times.

We never get a chance and that need to change.

Start your own group and label it as anyone welcome. Or join a group advertised as such.

Some players prefer to play the meta and play with others who play the meta. Others don’t care. The two groups do not mix well at all. It’s like trying to force two of the same magnetic pole together. It’s very hard.

Stay out of their groups and label your LFG appropriately so that those who play the meta and want to play with others who play the meta know to stay out of yours. Then you’ll only have to deal with the minority of the meta players who are rude and don’t read LFG’s.

Also join a guild and run with them or find some friends to run with.

On the Bullies: If they are verbally abusing you – right click and report. Joining a party and someone “not reading the LFG” is not an excuse for verbal abuse.

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

It’s a shame because I too don’t like Zerker-Zerker Meta, none of my characters are full Zerker (one or two might have Zerker weapon but no armour is) and the ones that I run dungeons with run them very well.

I think taking stats out of Trait Lines was a good idea, but I think to take them away from weapons might be a bit of a taller order, for very little affect to be honest, as stats would have to be moved somewhere, which leaves only armour & trinkets – and people will still be demanding Zerker-Zerker Meta.

Or you could create your own party in the LFG that caters to your playstyle. =)

Good luck.

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

It doesn’t prevent lazy meta players from joining you and once you are out numbered they’ll boot your butt for another meta. Or after the first boss they quit because you aren’t “fast enough” for them making the rest of the path near impossible.

Metas always complain that it’s the non-metas fault for joining their clearly identified meta team but none will acknowledge that the reverse is also true.

Behellagh.1468:

It doesn’t prevent lazy meta players from joining you and once you are out numbered they’ll boot your butt for another meta. Or after the first boss they quit because you aren’t “fast enough” for them making the rest of the path near impossible.

Metas always complain that it’s the non-metas fault for joining their clearly identified meta team but none will acknowledge that the reverse is also true.

I acknowledged it.

There are rude people on both sides.

And the issue is compounded because not everyone clearly labels their LFG.

I’ll chime in to agree on the build-your-own party idea. The reason you see the more picky groups so often is they don’t fill right away, they linger long after the casual groups have filled and gotten started on the run. If you make your own all-welcome you should be filled as fast as people can click the listing.

Start party group as people sujested or ask in one of the main cities mapchat.

Another problem is we have germans and french who put up lfgs and dont chose language even if they dont type a word of english, make it pretty hard to run dungeons with new players that you cant even communicate with.

Behellagh.1468:

It doesn’t prevent lazy meta players from joining you and once you are out numbered they’ll boot your butt for another meta. Or after the first boss they quit because you aren’t “fast enough” for them making the rest of the path near impossible.

Metas always complain that it’s the non-metas fault for joining their clearly identified meta team but none will acknowledge that the reverse is also true.

^ this².. also the meta people don’t even bother to read and seem to think there’s nothing beside the meta.

Some people want fast dungeon runs and some people want to run with subpar builds.

People in the former camp don’t want to deal with people from the latter camp.

Koviko.3248:

Some people want fast dungeon runs and some people want to run with subpar builds.

People in the former camp don’t want to deal with people from the latter camp.

Thank you for being an example of the kind of players being talked about, the build snob. “There are us elites and then the rabble.”

If this was 35 years ago you and your buds would be the ones at the local arcade making sure nobody else got to play Defender or Tempest.

Behellagh.1468:

Koviko.3248:

Some people want fast dungeon runs and some people want to run with subpar builds.

People in the former camp don’t want to deal with people from the latter camp.

Thank you for being an example of the kind of players being talked about, the build snob. “There are us elites and then the rabble.”

If this was 35 years ago you and your buds would be the ones at the local arcade making sure nobody else got to play Defender or Tempest.

and, is he wrong?

As to why the OP was kicked, I can’t say I’m sure.

Was he kicked because he was using the wrong weapon(s)? If so, that’s likely because an Ele can play certain roles in group PvE, and D/D is not an ideal weapon set for those roles. It would be like taking a tank spot as a druid in a WoW dungeon and wanting to use tree rather than bear.

Was he kicked for using Celestial gear, as many D/D Ele roamers use? The comment about “only zerker” suggests he was. If so, the primary reason to wear Celestial is to have survivability while solo. It is possible to wear glass gear while using D/D, and the DPS is impressive — however, the group support is not there.

While I support the OP’s desire to play as he wants, I also support other people’s desire to play as they want. Meta players are not, nor should they be, required to play with anyone whose desires conflict with theirs. It seems like there is a battle for the convenience tool of the LFG.

I’ve yet to see a game where there was not a conform-or-get-out meta for the most difficult PvE content in the game. As long as dungeons are in that spot, there will be a meta and some parties will kick non-conformers. What’s that you say? Dungeons are easy? Maybe after three years they should be. Also, name any content in PvE harder.

It might seem like it would be doable to adjust the game so that anyone could do what they want. However, virtually every suggestion I’ve seen on this issue would: (a) fail to end exclusion-behavior; and (b) would negatively impact “anything goes” groups, maybe to the point where they would no longer be able to play as they want.

My take is that what it would take is for ANet to do something like WoW did. Create hard versions of dungeons and put better rewards in them. The meta people would then gravitate to the hard dungeons and the LFG tool could then become a random assignment for the normal dungeons rather than what it is now. However, there are two problems with that idea: (1) convincing ANet, who don’t want to split the player base and who have done slightly more than nothing with the launch dungeons over 2.5 years; and (2) reward jealousy.

Behellagh.1468:

Koviko.3248:

Some people want fast dungeon runs and some people want to run with subpar builds.

People in the former camp don’t want to deal with people from the latter camp.

Thank you for being an example of the kind of players being talked about, the build snob. “There are us elites and then the rabble.”

If this was 35 years ago you and your buds would be the ones at the local arcade making sure nobody else got to play Defender or Tempest.

Well actually this would be the case of there being 10 open defender and tempest machines but you HAVE to play on that one that they are playing on and whine and yell at throw a temper tantrum cause you can’t have it even though you are more than welcome to go to any of the other open machines.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Or you could create your own party in the LFG that caters to your playstyle. =)

Good luck.

thing is even if you do specifically state you aren’t going for a meta run with whatever conditions you prefer, the ’meta’s will flood your party and the tirade will begin at the first boss/first group of mobs that is usually skipped ( whatever comes first ). With the result of either the "meta"s leaving (if <2) or the non "meta"s kicked (>=3)

sereal.1483:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Or you could create your own party in the LFG that caters to your playstyle. =)

Good luck.

thing is even if you do specifically state you aren’t going for a meta run with whatever conditions you prefer, the ’meta’s will flood your party and the tirade will begin at the first boss/first group of mobs that is usually skipped ( whatever comes first ). With the result of either the "meta"s leaving (if <2) or the non "meta"s kicked (>=3)

Exactly.

You can also join a casual guild. I almost never run dungeons unless I’m running with my guild.

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

Post like these are great. They let me know who to add to my block list so that when they do join my LFGs I know who to kick.

Keep them coming.

Don’t blame the player, blame the bad game design for creating such conflict.

Not excusing straight out rudeness mind you but when you have been there and done that all GW PvE becomes for many, ESPECIALLY in Dungeons, is repetition of content as quickly and efficiently as possible to garner reward.

That’s specifically how the reward system is designed. You can’t get mad at players who choose to embrace it and get aggravated if your slowing the whole process down for the rest of the team just to enjoy the game “your” way.

I find care bears who want to skip through the dungeon holding hands and group hugging while singing “Kumbaya” are just as annoying and are often just as destructive to having fun. They tend to get offended at the drop of a hat until the whole run goes kittens up with chat tanty and them moaning on and on.

It’s Guild Wars not Hippy Wars.

In saying PuGing is always a lottery.If that’s not working for you just do what others have suggested and be proactive in finding like-minded players.

sereal.1483:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Or you could create your own party in the LFG that caters to your playstyle. =)

Good luck.

thing is even if you do specifically state you aren’t going for a meta run with whatever conditions you prefer, the ’meta’s will flood your party and the tirade will begin at the first boss/first group of mobs that is usually skipped ( whatever comes first ). With the result of either the "meta"s leaving (if <2) or the non "meta"s kicked (>=3)

Stop assuming that all meta player’s are jerks.

There are a minority of meta players and a minority of non-meta players that join groups they obviously don’t belong in and demand the group cater to them. Be it because they were too lazy to read the LFG, wish to be carried, think that all players should play the meta, or wishing to troll the other side.

What is the shame though, is another minority of each side seem to think that those jerks are the majority of whatever the opposing view is. When in reality, they aren’t. They chase away the new players from dungeons, a majority of them not jerks, by their scaremongering: “you’ll get phiw’s who come in and demand you carry them or they’ll kick you or threaten to report you for griefing” or “you’ll get elitists who come in and demand that you wear zerker gear or they’ll kick you”.

When 8 out of the last 10 pugs with a LFG message of “not a speedrun” leads to the players quitting because several paused to watch the cut scene or get booted by the meta majority who joined up anyways for slowing the group down then it seems like it’s not a minority who are griefing the non-metas.

At least my guild runs relaxed dungeon runs but the majority of them are in a different time zone so getting together during the week is tough so I resort to starting pugs but to no avail.

Behellagh.1468:

When 8 out of the last 10 pugs with a LFG message of “not a speedrun” leads to the players quitting because several paused to watch the cut scene or get booted by the meta majority who joined up anyways for slowing the group down then it seems like it’s not a minority who are griefing the non-metas.

At least my guild runs relaxed dungeon runs but the majority of them are in a different time zone so getting together during the week is tough so I resort to starting pugs but to no avail.

You do know there is a clear differance on not a speed run and watching all cutscenes right?

Not a speedrun wear what armor you like and we kill the mobs/bosses in what ever time it takes you skip cutscenes since everyone have watched them as much as they want.

If you want to watch them type it into your lfg msg watching movies…

Might take alittle longer to fill but the players you do get wont quit or kick you out of dungeons.

Not trying to be rude here, but a D/D ele complaining about meta bullies, strikes me as funny. At least you can use and drop frost bow, which is one the the most wanted utilities. If you want to know what real bullying is try playing a necro for a week and see how many dungeon runs you are welcome in.

As others have said though just start your own LFG and take it from there. I know when I wanted to do dungeons as a necro, starting a party with casual run or similar terminology got descent results although you may have to wait a while for the party to fill. IMO many of us dungeon casuals have long since given up on them.

Behellagh.1468:

When 8 out of the last 10 pugs with a LFG message of “not a speedrun” leads to the players quitting because several paused to watch the cut scene or get booted by the meta majority who joined up anyways for slowing the group down then it seems like it’s not a minority who are griefing the non-metas.

At least my guild runs relaxed dungeon runs but the majority of them are in a different time zone so getting together during the week is tough so I resort to starting pugs but to no avail.

You do realize that groups don’t have to be speed run groups to have a preference to skip the cut scenes, right?

And please please stop assuming it’s the majority that grief. If a majority griefed then there would be a lot more threads about the issue. There aren’t. Therefore it’s not a majority. Which means it’s a minority.

Or at least if you claim the majority of elitists grief, then don’t complain when the elitists claim the majority of casuals grief them. Because I see equal amounts of complaints on the matter no matter what side a player is on.

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might be mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

The more experienced meta players likely would notice the DPS doesn’t appear to be where it should. And there are some tells on what their build is. Such as signets and attunements.

Whether they care enough in a PUG run to investigate the cause is an entirely different question.

Marthkus.4615:

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might me mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

I was responding to a player that said that that LFG’s that just say “p1 level 80 exp” would be casual runs.

Since not everyone labels their LFG’s with every requirement they want for whatever unknown reason to me, it is not safe to assume that “p1 level 80 exp” means a casual run. It could be a zerker meta jerk being lazy.

Players I run into:
1. High deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
2. High deeps players who don’t die but can’t solo the dungeon.
3. High deeps players who die all the time unless everyone is playing max deeps.
4. Mid deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
5. Mid deeps players who don’t die but can’t solo dungeon.
6. Mid deeps players who die all the time unless the boss dies fast.
7. Low deeps players who don’t die and could solo the dungeon.
8. Low deeps players who don’t die and couldn’t solo the dungeon.
9. Low deeps player who die all the time and are basically a drain to the party.

Meta bullies are almost exclusively #3. They are noobs, but pretend they aren’t cause they have zerker gear. 1s and 2s are the kind of people willing to carry 6s, 8s, and 9s. I met someone who normally solos arah but was puging because that is more of a challenge. He was a bit elitist and meta, but he was still fun to play with because he wasn’t shouting at people.

More and more people are falling into the #1 category which makes puging very pleasant.

My war is full Zoja’s, but I don’t like the zerker meta, so I use her to climb fractals. Easy content like dungeons, I’ll bring my 4s, (odd thing to censor?) 5s, and 8s.

Seera.5916:

Marthkus.4615:

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might me mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

I was responding to a player that said that that LFG’s that just say “p1 level 80 exp” would be casual runs.

Since not everyone labels their LFG’s with every requirement they want for whatever unknown reason to me, it is not safe to assume that “p1 level 80 exp” means a casual run. It could be a zerker meta jerk being lazy.

You don’t have to ask them if they mean zerker. It’s their own fault for not asking for it.

I’ve kicked people for ranting about the lack of zerker when the LFG didn’t ask for it.

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

100% guarantee you I would notice something wrong, I always do. This is why I don’t pug. You also have no idea if they notice or not, because they might just not want to hurt your feelings by outright calling you on it.

To me, there’s no point to pug when there’s such a high chance of getting burdened by having people using tank gear/traits expecting others to carry them.

If I’m ever in a pug, I just expect them to be clueless because even if somebody asks for good players there’s no way to guarantee they will get what they want.

It’s really unkind of you to disrespect people’s wishes on their LFG ads instead of just making your own groups with likeminded individuals.

Griefers gotta grief I guess…

Marthkus.4615:

Seera.5916:

Marthkus.4615:

Seera.5916:

penelopehannibal.8947:

On the LFG: Advertise your own party. Usually people who aren’t particularly looking for Zerker-Zerker meta put “P1 80 Exp”

But be careful, sometimes they are. The “Exp” to that player may mean experienced in that you know the meta and use it.

Best to ask at the beginning if they want all members to follow the meta. If they save you the time of leaving the group on your own, then so be it.

No.
If you want zerker say zerker. Even “speed run” does not mean zerker.

Do not be afraid to join groups because the meta-bullies might me mean. Every toxic person you meet is a glorious opportunity to block them and never have to be exposed to their ilk again.

Decent people can ask for “zerker only”. I join groups that ask for gear pings just so I can block them, and then leave the group before ever entering the same instance.

I was responding to a player that said that that LFG’s that just say “p1 level 80 exp” would be casual runs.

Since not everyone labels their LFG’s with every requirement they want for whatever unknown reason to me, it is not safe to assume that “p1 level 80 exp” means a casual run. It could be a zerker meta jerk being lazy.

You don’t have to ask them if they mean zerker. It’s their own fault for not asking for it.

No, but it beats getting half way through the dungeon or to the first boss and meeting a loading screen because they decided to kick you. Getting the kick over and done with due to their laziness saves time.

First off, you will never get rid of the meta. You break one meta, another meta arises, the cycle continues endlessly.

Second, the best option is to yes, create your own party, dont be lazy and put nothing but type out “all welcomed” or to get back at the filthy zerkers, put “non-zerker’s only”.

So in short, because when one meta dies, another rises, the devs can only do so much. Its not only the game that has to change, but those players too. And good luck making that happen.

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

100% guarantee you I would notice something wrong, I always do. This is why I don’t pug. You also have no idea if they notice or not, because they might just not want to hurt your feelings by outright calling you on it.

To me, there’s no point to pug when there’s such a high chance of getting burdened by having people using tank gear/traits expecting others to carry them.

If I’m ever in a pug, I just expect them to be clueless because even if somebody asks for good players there’s no way to guarantee they will get what they want.

It’s really unkind of you to disrespect people’s wishes on their LFG ads instead of just making your own groups with likeminded individuals.

Griefers gotta grief I guess…

To add to what Purple Miku said, runeblade, it’s players like you that make this problem worse.

Seera.5916:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

100% guarantee you I would notice something wrong, I always do. This is why I don’t pug. You also have no idea if they notice or not, because they might just not want to hurt your feelings by outright calling you on it.

To me, there’s no point to pug when there’s such a high chance of getting burdened by having people using tank gear/traits expecting others to carry them.

If I’m ever in a pug, I just expect them to be clueless because even if somebody asks for good players there’s no way to guarantee they will get what they want.

It’s really unkind of you to disrespect people’s wishes on their LFG ads instead of just making your own groups with likeminded individuals.

Griefers gotta grief I guess…

To add to what Purple Miku said, runeblade, it’s players like you that make this problem worse.

Technically, how is it worse? He has a right to post in his LFG definition “zerks only.” If someone joins that isnt zerk, they have a right to kick. Its what the description is there for.

As for telling if someone isnt zerk. There are ways. First one is looking at HP. Find out what base HP of each class is at 80. If its over that base, they are using a non-piece of zerk gear. After that, if you are use to speed runs and doing them so often, you start ot get the feel and timing on how fast something is suppose to die. When you notice it taking longer, first can be said that another zerk just isnt as good as someone before. Next would be “not using zerk gear”.

So again, it comes down to people. If a LFG says “zerks only” people not in zerks gear shouldn’t join. And zerks who join a pug without a description or something that says “any spec welcome” should realize what they are getting in to and not complain.

But again, good luck changing people.

Serophous.9085:

Seera.5916:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

100% guarantee you I would notice something wrong, I always do. This is why I don’t pug. You also have no idea if they notice or not, because they might just not want to hurt your feelings by outright calling you on it.

To me, there’s no point to pug when there’s such a high chance of getting burdened by having people using tank gear/traits expecting others to carry them.

If I’m ever in a pug, I just expect them to be clueless because even if somebody asks for good players there’s no way to guarantee they will get what they want.

It’s really unkind of you to disrespect people’s wishes on their LFG ads instead of just making your own groups with likeminded individuals.

Griefers gotta grief I guess…

To add to what Purple Miku said, runeblade, it’s players like you that make this problem worse.

Technically, how is it worse? He has a right to post in his LFG definition “zerks only.” If someone joins that isnt zerk, they have a right to kick. Its what the description is there for.

As for telling if someone isnt zerk. There are ways. First one is looking at HP. Find out what base HP of each class is at 80. If its over that base, they are using a non-piece of zerk gear. After that, if you are use to speed runs and doing them so often, you start ot get the feel and timing on how fast something is suppose to die. When you notice it taking longer, first can be said that another zerk just isnt as good as someone before. Next would be “not using zerk gear”.

So again, it comes down to people. If a LFG says “zerks only” people not in zerks gear shouldn’t join. And zerks who join a pug without a description or something that says “any spec welcome” should realize what they are getting in to and not complain.

But again, good luck changing people.

Please read more carefully.

I was telling runeblade that joining groups that he does not belong in only makes the problem worse.

I was once kicked from a group for high HP. WvW bonus was too high for that group… (that’s what I get for joining a zerker-group in full zerkers).

Zerker-only pugs attract the worst people. Expect to expand your block list. I tend to avoid said groups even with my full Zoja’s warrior because they tend to have bad people.

Learn to seperate runs, i split all my dungeon/fractal runs into 3 groups.

1. Speed runs: Full zerk and know what you are doing (i rarely do those)
2. Casual runs: Come as you are and we get trough it together and have some fun (always do those with randommers)
3. Guild Runs: Who cares about time, all about fun.

So basic advice is take your time when picking the group in lfg, and make sure you join the group that fits you.

Algreg.3629:

Behellagh.1468:

Koviko.3248:

Some people want fast dungeon runs and some people want to run with subpar builds.

People in the former camp don’t want to deal with people from the latter camp.

Thank you for being an example of the kind of players being talked about, the build snob. “There are us elites and then the rabble.”

If this was 35 years ago you and your buds would be the ones at the local arcade making sure nobody else got to play Defender or Tempest.

and, is he wrong?

Yes, because for a player NOT running a meta build, meta rules do not apply, and “subpar” has no meaning for them, as they don’t care about “par.” So yes, Koviko does sound like those players who compound the problem.

That said, ANet cannot change jerks, so nothing can be changed, Even if the meta was different, they would find ways to be insensitive and self-serving in other ways.

I had fun with a very inexperienced group of players who did Fractals, after I advertised my own group. It had a very “suboptimal” composition, including two Necromancers (including my own), and two Warriors. I specifically labeled as it not being a speedrun: we got Charr, Meow Golems, Goliath/Cult Hammer, and Mai Trin, and we had no real problem clearing all of them (it wasn’t the fastest, but we never got stuck.) More importantly, we all had fun playing our idea of interesting characters, which is what the game is about for many of us (not that running them as fast as possible shouldn’t be fun for some others.)

I would never join random groups “P1 Exp” even if I have a Berserker’s character and know the path, because there is a possibility of mix of playstyles there, and as aforementioned, often they do not match well. I suggest always creating your own group with your own parameters, even if it takes more time to fill up your group (my experience is that my “casual groups” most of the time take MORE time to fill up, because I do make specific “casual” requests; the supposed “casual groups” filling up faster doesn’t seem to apply in my case.)

The only thing I’d say is that it would be cool to have more stats combos to be more “relevant”, so as to ameliorate the perceived problem of DPS being better than everything else for most PvE content. That said, even the “worse” stat set ( meta-wise)has its use for some players out there, so you don’t need to go “zerk” if you don’t want to.

Again, ultimately the issue in this thread is-and as is often the case with many things in life-that disrespectful humans/jerks make life worse for others. Avoid them/ignore them, and have fun, as there’s nothing that ANet can do about that; at least this game’s environment is not generally conducive to that type of behavior, especially compared to other MMOs.

If you are constantly being kicked from dungeons you need to look nowhere else but the mirror.

I have done nearly 300 dungeon runs on my rabid geared condition necro and have never been kicked once. If that doesn’t get me kicked after more than 300 runs then the problem is not with the community it is with you.

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

Purple Miku.7032:

runeblade.7514:

I usually play with my soldier gear in zerk runs. They don’t see the difference..

You don’t know that.

Just because they aren’t calling you out for it doesn’t mean they don’t notice something’s wrong. They probably just don’t know who’s at fault.

I doubt anyone would notice something is wrong.

100% guarantee you I would notice something wrong, I always do. This is why I don’t pug. You also have no idea if they notice or not, because they might just not want to hurt your feelings by outright calling you on it.

To me, there’s no point to pug when there’s such a high chance of getting burdened by having people using tank gear/traits expecting others to carry them.

If I’m ever in a pug, I just expect them to be clueless because even if somebody asks for good players there’s no way to guarantee they will get what they want.

It’s really unkind of you to disrespect people’s wishes on their LFG ads instead of just making your own groups with likeminded individuals.

Griefers gotta grief I guess…

I agree with the idea behind your post (I never join “opposite alignment” groups) , but people NOT using meta gear do not want “to be carried”, nor must they be “bad”. You probably have no intentions to offend anyone, but the post is pretty insulting to those who play whatever. I for one hate the idea of someone else “carrying me”, as I prefer to be useful/helpful, just not necessarily the way a meta would have me do as much.

(Being “carried” would only apply if all runs were speedruns, which they aren’t.)

That said, I agree that hiding behind Soldier’s gear after a group asked for all Berserker’s is dishonorable/near griefing/getting back at people for disagreeing with them. NOTHING wrong with Soldier’s. but in the context of a “zerk only” speedrun, it’s the wrong stat set to use.

I dont think you got kicked for playing a d/d ele. I run mine in pugs and dont have any problems. You where mostly likely running pvt or cleics gear or just using bad traits and rotations and got kicked for it. Where not stacking might if there was no PS warr for example. Ele is one of the most wanted classes in a party for pve so you got to screw up real bad to get kicked.

The methods you criticize are as legitimate as the ones you want to practice. Each player does a dungeon the way he or she wants.

If you join a group that’s set on speed running, you should stick to their philosophy. If you don’t want that, don’t join them or simple leave and join another group whose playstyle is more suited to you. Or start your own.

Zerker speedrunners should be allowed to zerk speedrun too.

LFG (normal abbrevations:):

1. Open/Anyone welcome
   Open instance no requirents
2. l80
   Level 80 character required
3. l80 EXP
   Level 80 character and experience with the path/dungeon/event required
   This means a couple of dozen runs… not having done it twice. I know ppl who did AC and Arah since launch, having run over 1000+ full runs… they’ll notice anything.
   Expect to be kicked for truly stupid mistakes. (popping oozes in p1 AC is a nice filter…)
4. l80 ZERK
   Level 80 character and DPS gear required, Berzerker, in some cases Assassin’s
5. l80 META
   Level 80 character with dungeon meta build required. DPS only.
6. Speedrun
   Just make sure you have dungeon gear and dungeon food and you know what your doing, else ppl leave OR kick, generally the fastest runs, Not always using Meta, just use your head, switch traits and weapons on the run: focus is on maximizing DPS through any means, including +90% health buffs and so on, so support is immensely important, in NO WAY is this just DPS-ing. it is WAY different from l80 zerk meta

1. P 1,2,3,4 (P1,P2,P3, P1+3, FW/UP(=TA))
   Path requests number is relevant path from top from path selection. Only TA has a different selection. not clicking the correct path will break the party.

1. DPS
   DPS builds required, no condition builds
2. Ping (Gear)
   Ping Gear, else kick, very subjective, if they do not like your gear you’ll be kicked as well, generally they check: dungeon sigils, runes and stats
3. Quickrun
   Skip All non essentials
4. Full Run
   All paths, generally this does also mean if you do not have appropriate gear and food you’ll be alone after the first path.
5. Firsttime (1st)
   Person requesting has never done the dungeon, expect him to watch the movies and be inexperienced. and unaware of gear and foods
6. (Kill) ALL or NoSkip
   no skipping, just wipe the dungeon clean.
7. Only ? (race/class/proffesion/and so on)
   request for something specific
8. ?K AP
   Minimum AP (ppl stated at prelaunch could have 10-15K without any AP farming, it’s generaslly meant to filter starters, but this is the most useless selection criterium in LFG)
9. Story
   Story mode dungeon —>OPEN (rarely seen with l80 tag) respect ppl watching movies. (in case of fastrun/speedrun pls do not watch movies and expect ppl to rush through,)
10. Dungeon Tour: often refferring to the “night” run CoF 1,2, SE 1,3, COE Full, AC full, TA FW/Up (and sometimes ARAH (1,)3(,4)), Speedrun gear preferred (sigil night and force), (undead and force for Arah) as well as apropriate foods.)

Things can be combined:

• l80 Fullrun ZERK Meta 3k AP
• Open Only below l80 1st
• Speedrun Ping

In my experience l80 exp is most forgiving as long as you do not watch movies (if you are experience you should have seen ’m already.)

Please respect the requirements stated, NOT doing so could be resulting in a toxic environment not fun for all 5 involved.

2011 Anet: There will be no trinity and we are introducing downscaling so you can help your friends in dungeons.
Expectations: Dungeon run 2/5.
Reality: lvl 80, zerk, 5k+ AP, exp only, fast run, no noobs, no necro, no ranger, ele only, guard only…

It’s sad. It was a good idea but elitist people ruined it. As a Necro main, I always start my own party and type “all welcome”. I am also happy to explain stuff to newbies and I don’t throw a tantrum when they watch the cinematics.

I’m playing l80 EXP with my full dps meta builds as I rather wipe in a LVL 80 exp party then having all problems of toxic wannabee ppl in a Zerk Meta Party.

The lvl 80 EXP often contain speedrunners.

And I ran Pugs with 70-80K AP combined, doing AC, Cof, CoE, TA and/or SE very fast, I also made minimum time runs with parties who had 6k AP combined, excluding myself, having 18+k AP

After 3 years I’m still quite unexperienced in Arah…I do have 18k AP… But a l80 speedrun in Arah would surely show me to be a wannabee…